Muslims would do fine if they embraced rational thought. It seems like they invented algebra 1,000 years ago, were satisfied, and immediately stopped believing in numbers or secularism.

Can you really blame them?

Yes, I can. If I were I'm their position I'd just make peace with Israel like the 1+ million arab Israelis have done.

THEY (probably) NEVER ONCE OWNED IT THROUGHOUT ALL OF RECORDED HISTORY

So what? You could say the same thing about the USA in 1776.

Jew's are the scourge of the earth.

Americans seem worse. They stole much more land and killed far more people.

You're trying to justify genocide

I'm not justifying anything. It just seems like Americans are far more genocidal than jews.

neither I, nor anyone else in America had anything to do with the genocide of the natives

Except for the part where you live on their stolen land, eat food grown on stolen land, gas up your car at gas stations located on stolen land, etc.

Other than that, you're no worse than the jews.

do you have any idea how many cities are built on land secured through treaties, and even leases?

Those treaties and leases were obtained under duress.

After all, these are things that are going on NOW

Knowingly receiving stolen property makes you just as guilty as the person who stole it. You're getting fat and rich off the proceeds of a genocidal crime that VASTLY outstrips anything jews have ever done, and now you're spinning fairy takes about how "oh, the Indians were happy to have us here and just willingly gave up this land without complaint."

Two wrongs never make a right

I never claimed they did. I'm simply pointing out that America's wrongs are much, much worse than Israel's.

Your justifications are some of the worst I've ever heard.

lol, says the guy who seems to think it's perfectly acceptable to murder people and steal their land in 1776, but if you do it in 2012 it suddenly becomes a horrific crime. I'm sure you sleep soundly knowing that someone else did all the raping and pillaging for you, and now you're just reaping the benefits.

the fact remains that israel needs to stop the annexation of palestine.

I sense a double standard. You're saying Israel needs to stop doing something that 99% of human civilizations have done at one point or another.

I mean just pick a random country - Vietnam - the only reason that country extends down to the mekong delta is because the vietnamese conquered the Cham civilization and confiscated all their land. Today no one seriously disputes that territory is part of Vietnam. In fact during the Vietnam war it was fashionable to criticize the USA for invading "vietnamese" territory in that area and interfereing with "Vietnamese" sovereignty. But Israel gets berated for doing the same thing Vietnam did when it conquered that territory and made it part of Vietnam.

i would have denounced that activity as well.

So something is a crime only if you were alive when it happened?

ready to stop talking about anyone else,

I'm responding to the claim that "Jew's are the scourge of the earth. The worst group of people in all recorded history."

I'm simply pointing out the sheer idiocy of that claim. Jews seem to be treating the Palestinians a lot better than, say, the Russians treated the Chechens. The West Bank has actually seen double digit economic growth in recent years with tech companies like Google and Cisco investing in new facilities there.

this thread is about how israel needs to stop trying to annex palestine.

No, this thread is about Palestinians faking injuries. I should know - I started it.

inventing crimes

No, they're real crimes.

so why not support the ending of annexation by force anyway?

Because I enjoy living on stolen land, as do most Americans.

you have no evidence to support that claim.

Sure I do. The memoirs of Álvar Núñez Cabeza de Vaca are evidence that there were once tribes of indigenous people in the southwestern United States who were wiped out by the Spanish.

The Spanish conquered far more territory and slaughtered far more people than jews ever did.

for all you know the person responding to you is a native american anyway.

I don't care if I am. I would still tell a native american that there's evidence their land was stolen, that it was a crime to steal their land, and that I enjoy reaping the proceeds of that crime. I think most native Americans are resigned to the fact that us foreigners aren't going anywhere.

Carry on with your irrational jewhatred.

I'm sure if you bang your keyboard enough it's bound to make a difference.

Nah, I think I'll keep asking questions you can't answer.

How many lives would you estimate were saved by Jonas Salk, inventor of the polio vaccine?

Can you name one arab who saved more lives?

I could be arab, in which case the answer is probably zero.

I certainly haven't saved as many lives as jews have.

I don't need to save lives to know that jews have saved millions (if not billions) of lives.

just don't expect to convince anyone else

Oh they already know. Many of the most celebrated names in science and medicine are jews.

racism

Race has nothing to do with it. Jewish culture just empasizes rational enquiry.

people from every walk of life have made contributions to the world,

Jews are only 0.2% if the world's population but constitute 20% of Nobel laureates in scientific fields like chemistry and physics.

most nobel prizes have gone to men,

Jews produced Rosalind Franklin, a female scientist who discovered the structure of DNA in the 1950s.

Arabs throw acid in a woman's face if she won't sleep with them in 2012,

everyone, of every "race", wants a better life than they have now.

If Arabs want a better life they should stop hating jews and make peace with them.

stop being racist.

jews and arabs are not a distinct race. There are even chinese jews.

the problem isn't jews vs. arabs

No, the problem is arabs vs. jews. Most arabs hate jews, so they invest all their time and energy into attacking jews instead of doing productive things with their lives. If arabs stopped hating jews and focused on fixing their own culture they'd have a better life.

an open-air prison?

Over a million arabs live freely in Israel with full citizenship rights because they followed my advice and made peace with jews. They even have their own representatives in the Knesset:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arab_members_of_the_Knesset

The west bank has had double digit economic growth in recent years. Google and Cisco recently opened up new offices there.

Sure I did. The propaganda you read says the Palestinian territories are a prison, but in reality they're not. Arabs can have decent, normal lives in this places if they stop acting like shitheads.

so there is not a single innocent gazan affected by the siege?

Some of them are bound to be affected when their shithead leaders insist on hiding their military in the civilian population.

so why not just let the innocent palestinians have their land back

Because they keep trying to murder jews.

If they stop tryiing murder jews they can join the 1 million+ arabs living peacefully in Israel as Israeli citizens.

gives the land back

Arabs who don't try to murder jews already live on israeli land. They have the same citizenship rights as the jews living there.

Most of those people left voluntarily. When Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, and Syria attacked Israel in 1948, they told Arabs living there to GTFO so they could kill all the Jews without worrying about accidentally killing Arabs. They also kicked hundreds of thousands of Jews out of their countries.

"Palestinians" who left Israel voluntarily were not welcomed back, because they aided and abetted the arabs who tried to kill all the jews. Now idiot "Palestinians" blame Israel for being landless instead of blaming the Arab nations that started these wars and left them in camps.

they fled to avoid being killed.

LOL, when Israel declared statehood in 1948 it actually called on Arabs living within their territory to join them as equals building the nation.

Instead "Palestinian" organizations arose dedicated to exterminating Jews and destroying Israel, supporting the dumb Arab state position. Now they get to sleep in the bed they made for themselves. Fuck 'em.

israelis made the bed

Israelis made a bed of freedom of progress. The arabs who stayed live freely in Israel today, and they have more economic opportunity than arabs living in any arab country. Successful arab Israelis include a judge on the Israeli Supreme Court and a general in the IDF:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salim_Joubran

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yusef_Mishleb

The only losers are the jewhaters. Jewhaters gambled and lost.

just let them go home.

Most Palestinians weren't born in Israel.

had their parents and grandparents not been driven out.

Their grandparents were invited to stay and help build the country.

WE APPEAL - in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for months - to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions.

-- Israel Declaration of Independence

why would muslims want to participate in the formation of a state flying a jewish flag?

You tell me. You're the one who says 64 years later they want to come back.

they don't,

Great! So I guess Israel can freely ignore your plea to "just let them go home."

Why don't Israelis just invite 5 million people who want to exterminate jews into their country? Do jews just have some irrational desire to not be slaughtered en masse?

Palestinians already have a country. It's called Jordan. Why don't they just go there?

There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity... yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel.

• Zuhair Muhsin, military commander of the PLO and member of the PLO Executive Council

You do not represent Palestine as much as we do. Never forget this one point: There is no such thing as a Palestinian people, there is no Palestinian entity, there is only Syria. You are an integral part of the Syrian people, Palestine is an integral part of Syria. Therefore it is we, the Syrian authorities, who are the true representatives of the Palestinian people.

• Syrian dictator Hafez Assad to the PLO leader Yassir Arafat -

There is not a solitary village throughout its whole extent (valley of Jezreel, Galilea); not for thirty miles in either direction... One may ride ten miles hereabouts and not see ten human beings. For the sort of solitude to make one dreary, come to Galilee... Nazareth is forlorn... Jericho lies a mouldering ruin... Bethlehem and Bethany, in their poverty and humiliation... untenanted by any living creature... A desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds... a silent, mournful expanse... a desolation... We never saw a human being on the whole route... Hardly a tree or shrub anywhere. Even the olive tree and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil had almost deserted the country... Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes... desolate and unlovely...

• Mark Twain, "The Innocents Abroad", 1867

Congrats on falling for one of the greatest conspiracies of all time by the way.

I mean you have to be a world class moron to buy arab dictators' propaganda wholesale. I'm guessing you attended very poor schools.

The so-called Palestinian "refugees" were intentionally not absorbed or integrated into the arab countries to which they fled, despite the vast arab territory (Israel's extension is less than 1% of the territory of all Arab lands).

Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, the so-called Palestinians are the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples' lands.

In the 1950s, Syria attempted to import 500,000 Egyptians as agricultural laborers but kept Palestinian refugees in camps. Why?

Egypt controlled Gaza until 1967. Why don't those people just move to Egypt and get on with their lives?

I wouldn't ask these questions if I thought you were capable of answering them.

If the people in Gaza are starving because of the blockades, how do they get all those rockets?

How come Hamas celebrates when it kills Israeli civilians but Israel makes surgical strikes that minimize civilian deaths?

Why didn't Syria accept Israel's offer to return the Golan heights in 1967?

Why are so many sex abuse victims hateful, gullible dweebs?

Why do arabs punish rape victims who report being raped instead of the rapists?

Arabs kill each other far more frequently than jews kill them.

The point is that for any given dead Arab, probabilities weigh against the assumption that he was killed by jews.

I don't know. Maybe they were false flag attacks.

I suspect the latter

Meaning what? That I don't actually believe the things I write?

I'm flattered you think my comments are worth of remuneration.

what is known for sure is that Israel is conducting air-raids against acivilian population as part of a greater program of terror and genocide.

How do you know that isn't just propaganda?

you have no evidence to support that claim.

Sure I do. The memoirs of Álvar Núñez Cabeza de Vaca are evidence that there were once tribes of indigenous people in the southwestern United States who were wiped out by the Spanish.

The Spanish conquered far more territory and slaughtered far more people than jews ever did.

for all you know the person responding to you is a native american anyway.

I don't care if I am. I would still tell a native american that there's evidence their land was stolen, that it was a crime to steal their land, and that I enjoy reaping the proceeds of that crime. I think most native Americans are resigned to the fact that us foreigners aren't going anywhere.

Palestinians already have a country. It's called Jordan. Why don't they just go there?