• 911 & 7/7 were inside jobs

• The assassination of JFK, RFK, MLK, Malcolm X and John Lennon were carried out by conspiracy, where some conspirators included members of the US government and intelligence apparatus.

• WWI, WWII, Cold war (and all proxy wars, incl. Korea, Vietnam, etc...), Iraq, Afghanistan and current wars have been orchestrated by a small, elite group of world financiers along with their lackeys in the military industrial complex in order to generate massive profits.

• Intelligence agencies around the globe are the world's largest traffickers of drugs.

• Kurt Cobain was murdered

• American Serial killers are MKUltra/Monarch programmed slaves.

• Apollo moon missions were hoaxes

• Hippie movement was orchestrated by the CIA to discredit the legitimate anti-war movement.

• Secret Nazi base in Antarctica

• Lots of Nazis escaped to South America. Some retained positions of power.

• Hitler didn't die in the bunker.

• WWI was extended in order to bring US into the war.

• George Bush senior tried to have Reagan assassinated.

• The Royal family had princess Di assassinated.

• Secret Nazi & Japanese A-bomb programs & possible tests.

• The great depression was engineered by world financiers.

• EDIT: Jim Jones was a CIA run government psy-op

There's probably more I'm forgetting. Whenever the interests of powerful people converge, conspiracies are born.

The moon landing hoax is one of the easiest conspiracies to debunk.

There is an alternative conspiracy theory suggesting, wait for it, there was a fake moon landing filmed but it was only to be used to save face in the event of the real thing going wrong.

It's an interesting theory, but surely bullshit.

With what? And the movie guy saying the video tech didnt exist at the time does make good points, but I didn't see it as definitive.

I could go for days, but Ill put some strong points down.

1. This is a big one, The Soviets didn't come to the conclusion that it was a hoax. They were very smart, they saw the footage, they could pickup broadcasts from the spacecraft themselves. If the enemy of your state, the people that will do ANYTHING to make your country and government appear bad isnt willing to call it a fake, it probably wasn't.

2. The Rocket. The Saturn V is the largest, most powerful rocket ever built. It did launch, the 500,000 people at Kennedy Space center on launch day can attest to that. Why build the world's only human rated moon capable rocket and not go? It took billions to make that kind of hardware, and to not use it for its intended purpose, and to do so on many different occasions doesnt make any sense.

3. Pictures of the landing sites from space. NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter has taken photos of the landing sites from low lunar orbit. Confirming these is evidence from a Japanese orbiter, an Indian orbiter, and get this, a Chinese Orbiter

4. Ill stop here, but theres way more I could cover. Watch this video of the lunar rover. Notice the way the dust settles. On Earth, the dust would kick up into a cloud and linger for a very long time. Because the moon is a vacuum, the dust kicks into perfect parabolic arcs, and settles onto the ground with no cloud of dust trailing the rover. The speed at which the dust settles is even indicative of an environment with 17% Earths gravity. Unless the US government created a vacuum chamber the size of a warehouse (unlikely) and managed to turn down the gravity (impossible) there is no way that footage was filmed on the Earth.

Here's a pretty good video about how faking the moon landing would be near impossible with video tech of the day. The guy is a director and knows cameras and film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agvH5oV92p4

You seem to believe all of them... Moon hoax is still around these days?

It's no secret that the Nazis had an A-bomb program in the works. It's the main reason WE were rushing our own in the US.

One of the best raids in WW2 was committed by Norwegian commandos on a heavy water production facility [heavy water being a key ingredient to create nuclear weaponry]. They destroyed the chambers containing all the heavy water and stolen a sample to bring to the UK, all without a single death or injury on either side.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_heavy_water_sabotage#Operation_Gunnerside

I remember seeing a TV programme where it was claimed that a mistake on literally one line in a series of equations really screwed up the German A-bomb project.

By the time the Manhattan Project was ready, Germany had surrendered so Japan took it instead.

There's also a recent on-stage play based around the event.

Heisenberg reputedly fudged an equation on purpose to make it appear that much more uranium would need to be processed than actual.

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How open minded, dismissing everything without any consideration of the evidence.

Which one's do you think are unsubstantiated? I've got sources for everything.

No, you have zero sources. You have a nutters website who's just as unstable as you are. You have zero evidence. If you did then the press and the police would have something to say. As it stands, they're just laughing at you all, like the rest of the sane people on this planet.

Government laughs at everyone, they hold the people on a string. We do as we are told because that is how we were raised. I am not saying you are wrong, but not everything that is told by the government is 100% accurate.

I do agree but it's a mistake of conspiracy theorists to believe that just because we don't agree with most of their stories, we believe the government has never told a lie.

That's a BINGO! (Sorry, just watched Inglorious Bastards) Couldn't agree more.

Thank god, I thought everybody was like that here, we seem to be outnumbered.

If we had more free thinkers like you, there'd be less free thinkers.

It's laughable that you think that 'YOU' are the free thinker. Keep dreaming.

I'd be interested in sources for the moon landing hoax, MKultra serial killers and the secret nazi moonbase if you'd be so kind as to provide links?

Kurt Cobain was murdered

I have to disagree with this one. There was never any hard evidence that convinced me he is dead. There is much more evidence to presume he's still alive.

It's not difficult for a rich man to fake his death - it has many advantages.

What evidence is there that Kurt Cobain is still alive? I've heard the stuff about maybe Courtney Love having something to do with his death, but never that he was still alive.

check out Courtney's lawsuit where she claims that properties and assets of Kurt's were transferred using his SSN.

Courtney is being sued by her lawyer that dropped the case, she claimed 'they had got to her' - she then gives up custody of her daughter.

Rivers Cuomo shares a lot of commonalities with Kurt. I could go on for pages, but the info is already out there if you look.

Quick googling looks like his social security number was stolen or something. Courtney Love lost custody of her daughter to Frances Bean's grandmother because Love is pretty much completely unstable.

How did Kurt Cobain manage to switch from being left handed in 1994, to being right handed as Rivers Cuomo?

Still, she claims her lawyer was gotten to somehow, and the lawyer sued her over that statement.

Is stealing someone's SSN enough to perform those transactions? Reportedly houses and other large assets were involved. Sure it could be something else.. it's suspicious at the least.

Kurt Cobain is ambidextrous.

You must have some extra chromosomes, Cobain was 1.76m and Rivers 1.69m. Pretty easy to disprove that eh

everyone in nirvana's heyday knew kurt to be 5'7" (if that)

they are the same height. more confirmation. besides, people tend to get shorter as they get older.. kurt was not 5'9

he was only slightly taller than nirvana's first drummer chad channing (1988 - 1990) who stood just 5'6"

Kurt himself said he was 5 ft 7. Kurdt Donald Cobain was five foot 7. Yes he had scoliosis which gave him bad posture...exp the song (Pennyroyal Tea). Kurts driving liscense says 5'7. Their is 0 doubt in my mine that 5 foot 7 was his height and I wish someone would correct the 5'9 nonsense.

Here, I'll help you

there are no end of sources for 5'7 170cm

http://www.filmbug.com/db/30651/height

LOL. help me what? did you ever meet him? I know people who did, and Kurt was not 5'9. 5'7 is more realistic. even his drivers license said this, and so did Kurt himself. So who to believe? LOL!!!!

help me what? did you ever meet him?

I've met them both, on multiple occassions. Kurt in 1989 and 1990 (and saw him in 1994, but did not meet him that time; they were too big by then), and Rivers in 1994 (twice), 1995, and 1997. Rivers Cuomo is shorter than Kurt Cobain, and shorter than me. He also has tiny, meek hands. Cobain was about the same height as me, maybe slightly taller. His hands also did not operate like dead fish.

Then there's that whole "they sound nothing alike" thing.

Ok. I'll get photos of hands and compare. The ears are exactly the same.. their heights are withing a cm of eachother.

Then there's that whole "they sound nothing alike" thing.

Goat Punishment is Nirvana covers done by Weezer. They toured with Foo Fighters, and Rivers had rehearsals with a reformed Nirvana, they were supposed to tour even. It was that good.

Goat Punishment is Nirvana covers done by Weezer.

Telling only half the story does not make your theory true. Goat Punishment is not a Nirvana covers band. They did one show that was Nirvana covers. They also did another that was just Oasis covers. Other Goat Punishment shows have been covert "warm-up" shows to practice material for upcoming Weezer shows.

you said they sound nothing alike.. do you think Rivers doesn't sound anything like Kurt? You don't know guitar. It's Kurt.

Listen to Breed, or Aneurysm, then tell me they sound nothing alike. Why does Rivers end up in a reformed Nirvana if he sounds nothing alike? and why didn't they tour as they were supposed to? where are the tapes?

you said they sound nothing alike.. do you think Rivers doesn't sound anything like Kurt?

Correct, Rivers' voice sounds nothing like Kurt's. He did a fine job with the covers, but there is no mistaking the two vocalists.

You don't know guitar.

Except for the whole being a musician thing, you're right, I don't know guitars.

Though I do know that with the right gear it's not at all hard to reproduce Nirvana's live sound.

Why does Rivers end up in a reformed Nirvana if he sounds nothing alike?

He doesn't?

Rivers' voice sounds nothing like Kurt's.

Rivers only occasionally uses his power voice - when he does it's too obviously Kurt.. besides, it's not good for your voice, I bet years of touring singing like that can RUIN your vocal chords, and it would be wise to stop.

Except for the whole being a musician thing, you're right, I don't know guitars.

some people have an ear to tell cellists apart, they can recognize a certain pianist.. same with guitar. the expression is key. Rivers is a natural.

Rivers did indeed rehearse as a reformed Nirvana, and they did tour with Foo Fighters.. sure, I understand why so sensitive about it, but it's a massive fraud on all the fans to fake your death like that - even if fitting.

How's the lawyer going? Has he built his case yet?

Of course you know someone who met him. Can't argue when "Their is 0 doubt in my mind". You only believe what proves your elvis-presley conspiracies

http://www.feelnumb.com/2011/03/10/kurt-cobains-height/

lol. you don't believe Kurt himself, or his drivers license, or his friends, or photos of him. keep the faith.

Rivers Cuomo is Kurt Cobain

keep the faith

wut

Weezer gets signed by Geffen for no good reason and Ric Ocasek produces their debut album.. sure. keep the faith.

Young Godo Paulekis: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ah63153bXx0/SZGVzWT90gI/AAAAAAAABNs/Te0SbSqvZmM/s1600/06c.jpg

Young Kurt:

http://www.fanpop.com/clubs/kurt-cobain/images/26257119/title/baby-photo?ir=true

gets signed by Geffen for no good reason

They got signed because they were good, and because they were lucky enough to secure a couple of decent opening slots that put them in front of reps, and because they had an excellent demo.

It happens. I had a band that secured a few good opening gigs for national acts. My band, however, sucked, so nothing came of it.

Weezer had some strong opening slots (while Nirvana was otherwise engaged, natch) and aggressively pushed their demo, The Kitchen Tapes. They got noticed. They got signed.

That's kind of how it works.

and Ric Ocasek produces their debut album

He has produced over 30 records, a number of them by relatively small bands. It's not at all unusual for a band the label thinks could hit it big to secure a name producer. It's part of what they're investing in.

There's also the pesky fact that while demoing and later recording the first Weezer album, along with other Weezer material, Nirvana was playing shows.

Plus that crazy "they don't sound anything alike" thing.

Weezer had some strong opening slots

really? like what?

while demoing and later recording the first Weezer album, along with other Weezer material, Nirvana was playing shows.

there's no problem. I checked the dates of the Nirvana shows, and demos and none of them overlap.

Plus that crazy "they don't sound anything alike" thing.

have you listened to 'goat punishment'? weezer's secret nirvana coverband. they are very good.. so good thta Weezer toured with Foo Fighters, and then Rivers rehearsed with remains of Nirvana and planned to tour.. but didn't. All reports are that the sessions were great. Why no tour?

really? like what?

They gigged around LA for a while, most notably opening for Keanu Reeves band Dogstar, as well as Wax, who had some buzz going in the scene at the time and has a minor hit with "California," and 4AD (and later DGC) artists That Dog. They were noticed at a music showcase.

have you listened to 'goat punishment'? weezer's secret nirvana coverband

Do you just repeat stuff you've read or that suits your beliefs? Goat Punishment is not their "secret Nirvana cover band." They did a single show of mostly Nirvana covers - which really isn't a big deal. Other bands have done it. Local H, for example, has done a number of Nirvana cover shows, and Scott Lucas at least actually sounds Kurt Cobain, whereas Cuomo does not.

They gigged around LA for a while, most notably opening for Keanu Reeves band Dogstar, as well as Wax, who had some buzz going in the scene at the time and has a minor hit with "California," and 4AD (and later DGC) artists That Dog. They were noticed at a music showcase.

did you take this off their website? Show me how it's a conflict with the Nirvana dates? Think I didn't check this first?

Keanu Reeve's band? supposedly weezer opened for them at a party..and voila, you're signed to geffen and ric ocasek produces your debut album. how does metal head Rivers get in there ?

And why the conflicting stories of how River's gets his name.. and why does Harvard records not match up with River's story?

Show me how it's a conflict with the Nirvana dates?

Huh? I didn't say it was a conflict with Nirvana dates. I'm explaining to you that they had some solid opening gigs that got them in front of A&R reps looking for the next big thing.

That's sort of how the industry works.

you're signed to geffen and ric ocasek produces your debut album

Yes, that's kind of how it works. You attract interest, the label invests in you, you get a solid producer (and I've already pointed out that this was far from the first time Ocasek produced an obscure band), and they try to launch your career so they can make money.

Nevermind that I've actually met both Kurt Cobain and Rivers Cuomo, both more than once, and they are not the same person.

Rivers is a born again christian.. of course they aren't the same person. that defeats the purpose of faking your death..

yeah, nevermind.. lol. funny. i believe you, not my own eyes and ears.

OK, I'll bite: what evidence is there that Cobain became Rivers Cuomo. I Googled it and nothing very convincing came up, so...

you sound convinced that its not. which parts do you have trouble with?

Mainly the fact that they look nothing alike and that there's no hard evidence to support it.

what attainable hard evidence would you accept?

they look very much alike to me. same height - faces overlay exactly except eye color and chin, same ears is very telling. chin and eye color are obviously easy fixes.

Any evidence that Rivers Cuomo didn't exist prior to Cobain's death in 1994 would be a good one. Yearbooks from schools he went to that don't feature him would be a good start. This might be quite hard to prove since Weezer formed in 1992 and Cobain died in 1994 but I'm sure you're not basing this solely on the fact that they look pretty similar.

there are no overlapping dates between Weezer demo recordings and Nirvana tours.. in fact if you look at Nirvana tours then you'll see how bad things were getting closer to 94. Nirvana was done.. time for Geffen to sign a band from nowhere?

Good luck finding anything more than a couple of photos. Go look up where he got the name Rivers and see which one of the stories you believe.

Besides, it would be silly to fake your death, assume a new identity without usurping another's.

Regardless of how bad Nirvana was doing, Cobain wasn't a total recluse up until his death and neither was Cuomo. That means he'd have had to slip in out out of personas all the time.

How many people were party to the knowledge that he was faking his own death? His Nirvana bandmates? Courtney Love? His family? His daughter? Weezer bandmates? Record labels? For this to work properly, an huge amount of people would have to have known the truth and nobody who'd know if this was true has come forward to say so.

And if you're implying that the real Rivers was killed or paid off or something so Cobain could assume his identity, how many people in his life knew about it?

If Cuomo isn't a real person or he's a completely different person, don't you think someone he went to school or university with would have said something? I think I'd know if someone supposedly in my school year didn't actually exist.

If you're just fooling around then I applaud you for making me believe you were being earnest for so long. If not... I'm worried for you.

an huge amount of people would have to have known the truth and nobody who'd know if this was true has come forward to say so.

speculation

And if you're implying that the real Rivers was killed or paid off or something so Cobain could assume his identity, how many people in his life knew about it?

I'm not implying this at all.

I'm more convinced by evidence that wouldn't convince you. I can tell that the guitar playing is the same (even with the other hand)

You know how people can tell violinists, pianists and cellists from listening to them? I listened to a lot of Weezer doing Nirvana covers (as goat punishment) He's very good.. so good in fact that Nirvana 'reunited' with Rivers and were going to tour.. I'd love to hear the tapes.. presumably they were too good.

I'm serious.. but not so serious that I'd go shouting it around to everyone I know.. some people obviously want their privacy and will do a lot to keep it. The thing that bugs me is that so many people were truly depressed and even commit suicide over what was possibly a faked death. I can understand where he's coming from.. really.

Your "evidence" is all subjective, though. They don't look too alike to me (and if you believe they do look alike then I guess this whole plot fell at the plastic surgery hurdle - one of the easiest hurdles to overcome, you'd assume), nor does their guitar playing sound more alike than any other two guitarists playing the same kind of music to me.

This seems to be a classic case of confirmation. You think they look and sound kind of alike so you've convinced yourself that coincidences are evidence that they're the same person and are ignoring the fact that it's unlikely that Cobain would be able to get away with doing this.

You can see where Cobain is coming from? Really? What motive would he have to fake his death - and come back as another rock star?

What motive would he have to fake his death - and come back as another rock star?

clean up, find jesus. wants a life with his daughter. has tons of money, hates his wife.. can't play shows anymore.. record label getting frustrated etc.. etc..

speculation

It's not speculation. Let's assume "Rivers" is an entirely invented person. People within his record label would have to know about it, his bandmates would have to know about it, his family - his daughter at least - would surely know about it, and that's just off the top of my head. These people all know people and it's unlikely they'd be able to keep their mouths shut about this for so long if it's true.

so what? same record label.. same Geffen. I think the conspiracy goes much further than this.. I'm somewhat convinced that Kurt was on the cover of Life magazine when he was a toddler.

Planned obsolescence of products.

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Would Apple tell you that they design everything to break (in time for the next new ipod or mac to come out)? I truly believe this one because it's so well documented.

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I do see your point. I think it's a conspiracy, just one of the easier ones to unfold.

Right. I think it's less nefarious than ensuring that products actually malfunction in order to bring you in to buy the next thing. Rather, apple or any business does not offer you exactly what you want when you want it - however, they offer a pretty good product that you still want, which you buy, then regret buying when a newer, better thing comes out quickly afterward.

Here's the thing though: maybe they could have made the better, newer product at the time you bought the first and relatively inferior one. You didn't expect the release of the superior form of the product you bought to happen so rapidly.

Case in point: the new Apple iPad mini. It's a nifty, if unnecessary, device. But, it doesn't have a HD screen even though Apple definitely could manage to build it with one. I predict that in a year or so there will be an iPad mini with the retina display similar to the full-size iPad. People who own the original iPad mini will look at the new one and see that it is obsolete.

This, I believe, is what is actually practiced when people talk about planned obsolescence.

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Maybe I should elaborate. I was thinking more in terms of building things so they break rather than become obsolete from advances in technology. Light bulbs are the best known example.

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(Incandescent) Lightbulbs can be constructed to last significantly longer than they do. They burn out so you need to buy them more often... No more explinations for you.

911.

Well, structurally speaking, I've seen enough convincing testimonies and logic through Architects/Engineers for 911 truth as well as Pilots for 911 truth. Both very concise and well orchestrated documentaries. Enough to make me think that the towers were a controlled demolition, or at least it seems a lot more likely they were a controlled demolition than anything else. There's too much scientific evidence contained in those documentaries to deny it. I mean, do people honestly think that towers, constructed to withstand the collapse given if an airplane struck, suddenly collapsed to the ground after hours of burning did so because the structural steel melted?

In addition, there are many witness testimonies that have been blocked from mainstream media/what have you that further lead me to believe they were a controlled demolition. That being said I was really young at the time of 9/11, I think around 6 or 7. Didn't know what the fuck was going on.

In essence, I usually take various conspiracy theories with a relative grain of salt, but too much adds up to see 9/11 as anything else. I can't prove or know for a fact what happened because I wasn't there, but this is my opinion. Regardless of the truth it was an absolute tragedy and whoever was responsible (let's just say the American gov't) is twisted and sick as fuck to destroy thousands of innocent lives.

See this is my issue with 9/11, there "supposed science" defending both sides of the arguments, like for example the popular mechanics debunking stating of the whole conspiracy, although on the flip side theirs a lot of science claiming the other side that it was controlled demolition and all that. So I really don't know what to believe, common sense says it was a false flag because theirs alot of holes in the story but idk.

There was an OP earlier in the day that posted this Good source, The NIST Report he posted here does not support the Official theory and Debunks the Popular mechanics theory. They actually state that there were not high enough temperatures( not more than 600 celsius) in WTC 1 and 2. This was the First time I looked through this official report and Frankly I am now 100% convinced of demolition, and the conspiracy. NIST Kinda indicates the demolition by lying about temperatures. Their report outlines these LIES.Anyone reading that should go mad and should have a heart attack! It is absurd!

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/18za1q/is_nist_fucking_with_americans_in_their_faqs/

NIST claims no explosives were used. You know how they know? By not checking!

Exactly, but they scrapped all that bullshit about "weakening" and "melting" steel, and replaced it with the "bowing inwards" after the "melting of insulation" of the steel columns. As if the WTC buildings columns were held together by crazy glue, not structural engineering techniques.

Can I ask, why use planes? If the whole thing was a huge cover up, why not use something like a bomb in the basement, or bombs placed throughout the building? It just seems like if it was all an inside job, using planes was a very, very risky plan.

• Part of the Anonymous/hacktivist business and online bullying is deliberate to make people demand tighter controls online. You're less likely to resist something if you're asking for it and have been shown why it's needed... oh, and hacking big businesses gets them on side too. Win.

• The US military develops and maintains experimental technology 50+ years in advance of what we are accustomed to. This likely explains a huge deal of UFO sightings and many of these could well be using new propulsion systems

• Development of "alternative energy" and power sources, particularly for vehicles, is being deliberately impeded by big oil companies

• We have had and probably still do have contact with extraterrestrial life of some kind

These are plausible ones I believe in. There were others I could have posted but they were either totally insane or fall under the umbrella of ones you said didn't count.

I believe the antivaccine movement is a conspiracy. I dont know what they want exactly but theres more to them stopping vaccination than just wanting to kill children. I am convinced they want something more: presumably money or power. Jenny mccarthy was just a diversion. Crazy I know but there it is.

P.s vaccines a re awesome

The guy that started the anti vaccine movement was trying to patent his own vaccine when he conducted his initial flawed studdies. So that right there is a conspiracy in its own right.

Let's not forget, for anyone who buys any of this antivax nonsense, that he has been comprehensively debunked and stripped of his license to practice medicine.

911 was a mossad cia job. Positions of power are largely populated by psychopaths/sociopaths who often attend the same fraternities and golf clubs, meaning that the only way to gain power is through force.

Well thats some indisputable evidence right there.

Was the thread asking for evidence? I'm pretty sure it was about what I believe in

I tend to agree. This Mossad/CIA thing runs pretty deep. They were the ones behind stuxnet.

Like 5% of conspiracy theories seem plausible. For the most part i come here to laugh at you all.

For me, laughing at others because they have different opinions to you is a sure sign that you have no personality. And a tiny dick :)

For me, people who mention dick size always have a tiny dick :)

Now go off and rant about the jew lizards who control the world and how anybody that disagrees with you is a "shill".

Ok which one are you, a lizard or a shill? :P

In all seriousness, much of what is posted here can be classed as tripe, but who are we to say if it is true or not when we clearly have no idea? I certainly don't agree with everyone here but I don't laugh at them. Except when they have little willies

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. - Arthur Schopenhauer

I don't think gravity was ever ridiculed.

gravity has certainly been ridiculed. only those ridiculing it often fell to their deaths when they tried to oppose it, and never reached the self-evident stage.

But foolish beliefs are also ridiculed, so just because someone's ideas are being ridiculed, it doesn't mean that they are truthful.

naturally, though the quote is specifically referring to truth, not foolish beliefs.

I'm sure there's another quote out there for you about foolish beliefs..

The point I was making is that the quote is frequently used by conspiracy theorists to lend credence to their own current beliefs (which are unproven) by hitching them to the wagon of historical cases where truthful cases were not immediately discerned, and may have even been derided.

But to do so is fruitless. They should concentrate on convincing people with facts and reasoning, not quotes.

...also I was polite enough to word my comment so as not to call you a fool.

But to do so is fruitless.

If you demand impossible proof, then by definition it is fruitless. We can however imply from the absence of proof that should be readily attainable, that something is missing. In that case a valid argument can constructed from the shape that the holes imply.

They should concentrate on convincing people with facts and reasoning, not quotes.

quotes are important because they convey concise ideas very well. this is why they are oft quoted.

of course we would all like the facts. are you complaining about my reasoning skills, or the general lack of reasoning we see in all areas, especially in the official narratives provided by our for profit media?

The FDA knows that it's dietary recommendations are wrong. They know the link they have claimed between saturated fat to cholesterol to heart disease is wrong. They know that sugar and other carbohydrate is the real culprit. They know that cholesterol is necessary and good, and that low cholesterol causes cancer. They know saturated fat is necessary and good for humans. They know that carbohydrate consumption causes diabetes and the cure for diabetes is to stop eating carbohydrates. They also know that cancer cells eat glucose, and cutting carbohydrate goes a long way towards putting cancer into remission. They also know many modern diseases are caused by industrial foods, in particular gluten grains, vegetable oils and sugar. They know this because the science is there for anyone who goes looking for it. They know they've made a terrible mistake.

The FDA's incorrect diet recommendations have given rise to a massive processed food industry. This industry is all based around the lie that low fat/high carbohydrate is healthy. But now the food industry are making too much money and won't allow the truth to be told. The pharmaceutical industry, too, makes billions out of statin drugs even though it's well known these create more premature deaths than they save. They are happy for people to continue eating the crap they have been told to eat.

Add to the mix the misguided vegan/buddhist/PETA/environmentalist lobby trying to get people to stop eating animals. You're now talking about trying to turn around the Queen Mary in order for the truth to be told.

The antidote, for starters, is a paleo (/r/paleo) diet, which, as you'd expect, is ridiculed by the diet/nutrition industry, all in the pay of these large companies. In a nutshell, you must cut out gluten, sugar and vegetable oil. Also be vary wary of dairy, only eat it if you are convinced you can handle it.

If you'd like to know more read Good Calories, Bad Calories (aka the Diet Delusion) by Gary Taubes to find out how this sorry state of affairs came about.

In summary, a coalition of the pharmaceutical industry, the processed food industry, the animal rights lobby and the vegan lobby are making sure that the truth about what food is really good for humans is being kept from us. The result is a population fat, sick and stupid (and therefore much less a threat to TPTB).

I can attest that paleo is healthy as fuck. I've never done it, as i'm too lazy and was into powerlifting at the time, so just stuffing myself with carbs and protein was the best way to get progress. But for general health and fitness etc, there's nothing better. I actually know a guy who's into strongman/powerlifting and sticks to a paleo diet - he's 295lb, lean, drug free, and deadlifts 700lb raw. He's also a genetic freak, as 99.9% of people couldn't do that without drugs, but it just shows that it works, you just have to adjust it to what your goals are.

The federal reserve is a private enterprise that benefits the primary dealers and issues the worlds reserve currency without having to have any savings to issue credit

Sept. 2001 - likely MIHOP (same with London and Spain etc.)
Fake news - Mockingbird
Ultra Rich conspire to stay ultra rich
NWO
Dumbing down of America
Alex Jones is Bill Hicks
Rivers Cuomo was Kurt Cobain was Godo Paulekis
Gulf of Tonkin - Admirals son is Jim Morrison
Proliferation of LSD and 'hippie culture'
Selling crack to inner cities
Imprisoning poor and 'inferior' people - new slavery
Total Information Awareness
JFK, RFK, etc..
Rigged elections
C.O.G. Operation Paperclip - Nazi coup of America.

etc.. etc.. etc..

Why so many secrets America? What reason is there to be so afraid?

Go ahead and put that in my file.

Bill Hicks is Alex Jones? I'll bite. What's up?

I never heard of it before, but Google found this which is pretty convincing http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2013/02/alex-jones-is-bill-hicks.html

I want to believe. ::X-files theme::

Lol, that was actually pretty funny :D Well done.

Damn...

search r/conspiracy, there are quite a few threads.

I was convinced by two videos and Bill's own words to Kevin Booth about planning the switch to shock jock format.

Check out these youtube videos

'Bill Hicks Hates Hecklers' - breaks into alex jones' voice and character
'Alex Jones Refuses Thumbscan' - Bill Hicks is narrating!!

alex jones is bill hicks.

The first time i saw this i was dumbstruck for a minute, then rationality and research kicked in and i realised it was stupid

What makes you beleive this silliness?

I was convinced by two videos and Bill's own words to Kevin Booth about planning the switch to shock jock format.

Check out these youtube videos

'Bill Hicks Hates Hecklers' - breaks into alex jones' voice and character
'Alex Jones Refuses Thumbscan' - Bill Hicks is narrating

The thumb scan video was note even remotely reminiscent of Bill Hicks. They are both Texans and have different degrees of a very slight southern drawl. Perhaps as a non-Texan the voices sound cliche and simliar, but personally I can tell the difference

I guess I can see what you are talking about very slightly in the Heckler video, but only with the one phrase " I want you to go find a fucking soul" though it honestly doesn't sound like Alex Jones, just maybe the sort of thing we could expect him to say.

I did my best to close my eyes and imagine one or the other saying it, but in the end it is irrelevant: one quote (even if delivered in pitch-perfect style and form) would not convince me they might be the same person. I simply require a little more before my imagination can run quite so wild.

I'm also very familiar with Hicks voice on tape, and the voices match in both cases, while the looks are the same..

another coincidence is that it appears that Alex lies about his age... and the Booth interview with Hicks is still out there.

I'm also very familiar with Hicks voice on tape

I'm just saying that I am familiar with a wide range of Texan accents (commonly more subtle than either of these) and they really don't sound that similar in my opinion.

Being on the internet has taught me that non-Texans uniformly categorize Texans into one, very large group with little to no disparities between parties.

It wouldn't surprise me if we all "sounded the same" to non-Texans, as typically Americans can only recognize two British accents on a large and smoothly transitioning scale of dialects: proper and cockney.

Accent does not affect the timbre. A voiceprint is much more than accent.

I don't need to convince you.

/facepalm

I don't need to convince you.

Thankfully.

Gulf of Tonkin - Admirals son is Jim Morrison

That's not conspiracy. That's fact.

conspiracies can't be factual? GTFO

it's not a widely accepted fact that Jim Morrison became who he is/was as part of a larger conspiracy.

I think what he means is that it is not a conspiracy theory, it is actually an historically acknowledged fact. He did what I am sometimes guilty of doing and shortened the term "conspiracy theory" to just "conspiracy". It's a bad habit I guess.

However, all that aside, Jim Morrison is pretty interesting. When you think of what he stood for... it was a kind of faux spiritualism (the doors are a metaphor for access... break on through etc.) and total hedonism. The whole '60s movement seems to have been perverted from its peace-loving roots to become a drug-fueled party, which escalated to harder drugs in the 70s and 80s. The whole sexual liberation thing was a mixed blessing (STDs, unwanted pregancies etc. and I don't care what anyone says but the pill screws with your endochrine system and people should stay away from it).

And when you look at all the people who came out of the whole 60s flower power thing, are any of them staying true to all that peace and love stuff? I think not... that generation seems to be all out for themselves...

Alex Jones is Bill Hicks

wut

I believe in many, which to me I wouldn't say "believe" but "know".

Currently though, I am really big on James Holmes, and Chris Dorner (seperately).

I truely believe both men were innocent. I think Dorner should be on T-shirts as much as Che is.

Many people have heard the police scanner live (including myself) and heard them deny burning the cabin was intentional on TV. They did not even confirm that there weren't hostages (as orgininally believed that there may be). The fact that innocent civilians were shot at and nothing has been done. I don't care how many it was, it shouldn't have even been one. One alone is too many.

Also, marijuana/hemp oil ARE THE CURE FOR CANCER. This oil has done things as incredible as cure skin cancer in 4 days (amongst other things).

If we look at history, none of this shit is new. It's all happened before, so the fact that people think these idea's are stupid doesn't make a lot of sense. The only thing that makes real Sense is Dollars.

Now I love marijuana and partake almost every day, but.... The only thing that cures cancer in that short of time is a misdiagnosis

Could you, or someone, expand on the marijuana is the cure for cancer conspiracy. I have never heard that one before.

look up "rick simpson" or "rick simpson oil"

personally, i've never had cancer.

some people that have used it say it didn't completely cure them, but some say it did. however, the people who say it did not cure them completely stopped chemo therapy. which i assume eating oil that taste like shit is a lot better than chemo therapy, especially when it has better results.

you can watch this amazing documentary http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGjC4HReFL0

or visit phoenixtears.ca

Nobody thinks there is an extraterrestrial presence communicating with humans? I do!

Others: Federal government corruption on many levels (control + power) religious corruption (power + evil)

some other good ones like secret black op projects project pegasus is pretty incredible. not sure i believe it but it would be one of the most earth shattering ones if true.

Power Elite Theory (NWO, Masonry, Bohemian Grove, whatever you wanna call it)

People strategically placed in power positions running the state, economy and military interchangeably have a secret agenda they're executing, whilst dumbing down America, keeping us preoccupied with the illusion of freedom.

People are just too fuckin greedy and it makes me sick.

I think that Kim Jung Il is still alive, he brainwashed a kid (named him Kim Jung Un) and is try to pull his country out of the shit that its in.

Hear me out, North Korea has absolutely nothing that anyone else wants, IE no oil, no natural resources, no great thinkers, fuckin nothing. So how does Kim Jung Il get his country back on the map and still keep his extravagant way of life? He wants to kick sand in the face of the most advanced country on the planet. He knows that we know how small his nukes are and even if they launch them they will be shot down. The states won't use nukes against them because that would be like kicking a puppy into traffic(the rest of the world would see it like that) also NK is pretty small as in size, and strategic strikes would be more efficient. All he has to do is have Il piss everyone off, launch a shitty little rocket and its fucking on. Then he orders his men to bunker up and wait for the return volley of fire, and to surrender immediately to the incoming invasion. Sure there will be a couple units that didn't get the memo and will get fucked up, but hey he has to make it look good right?

Every country the states has gone to war with got rebuilt, and money pumped into it. Kim Jung Un takes the hit, spends the rest of his days in a secret detention center built just for him, and Kim Jung Il sits back like a fat cat(because the world thinks he's dead, a little plastic surgery would cherry it off)

For those who only see "war is hell" and "I've watched way to much Fox News" yes the military did a lot of good in Iraq, and Afghanistan and it will continue to do so, just because the military got out doesn't mean that the money did. How much do you think it costs to rent Rammstein Air Force base from the Germans? The money doesn't leave.

Please feel free to attempt to shoot holes in this theory or add to it.

I'm not sure how that would play out, because if we go to war with NK, China will also be against us. Interesting thought though. I think Kim Jung Un is a loose cannon and he's just insecure with himself.

• 9/11 was definitely planned by the U.S. government.
• Marijuana isn't legal because the government doesn't want us to think outside the box and question what they're doing.
• Psychiatric medications are not fully researched before being put on the market; the FDA has a deal with the drug companies to expedite their patents to drug up America.
• Mainstream media was against Ron Paul and hindered his success in running for president. He probably would have won if people were more aware of him.
  
• The government banned the sales of raw apricot kernels because they are trying to harness Vitamin B17 and other extracts from it to find a cure for cancer.
  

I hate all conspiracy theories and theorists. I think that they rely too much on pre-conceived notions and build up a narrative based on that while ignoring contradictory information.

That being said, there was a huge amount of stuff in the Chris Dorner case that was outright phoney. I do believe that he was unjustly fired for breaking unspoken oaths between police officers. I do believe that some members of the LAPD were gunning for blood when they were looking for him and had no intent of taking him alive. I don't think he was a good guy at all, after all he did threaten to murder some 35 people including innocent children. I don't think that he knew some dark secret that the LAPD was trying to suppress. I just think that the cops were nervous about their "gray area" (and "black area") tactics getting too much publicity.

I don't understand why people who hate conspiracies/theorists come to this subreddit. I dislike religious views, but I don't go to the catholic subreddit and start instigating people's views on evolution.

I think that they rely too much on pre-conceived notions and build up a narrative based on that while ignoring contradictory information.

Yeah, that would be stupid wouldn't it?

/sarcasm

I think you'll find that you do believe in conspiracy theories that are passed off by MSM as fact.

For example, you seem to readily believe that a facebook page made a few weeks ago, that had 200 photos uploaded the next day contains a manifesto that you believe is accurate and was posted by the deceased whistleblower. I find that dangerous.

What's stopping TPTB from killing anyone and framing them up using only FACEBOOK!! WTF??

the illuminati

1996: Democratic Committee Chairman Ron Brown was killed in a plane crash in Croatia. That plane crash was absolutely caused by American intelligence interests who felt that he "knew too much", presumably about the Clintons. Not only that, but there were survivors and witnesses to that crash that quickly turned into more victims after the US military arrived on the scene.

JFK RFK Most wars Etc.

OP Dont forget that when WTC7 fell, the case against the Enron criminals and many, many other investigations were set back to the start or lost altogether. One of the primary reasons for 9/11 was to collapse WTC7. Buildings with some fires dont collapse on to themselves with out damaging any neighbor buildings.

Look at a picture of WTC4 and 3 which still stood on 9/12 and ask yourself how the hell WTC7 collasped. holding the pictures side by side will tell you our government lies and murders.

Ya, my house didn't collapse on 9/11 so why did building 7? Inside job obviously.

The cowards can vote me down. but here is WTC4 the day after. Still standing with WTC2 on top of it and burned out. Did NOT collapse. But WTC7 straight down in free fall.

http://www.allmystery.de/dateien/gg48762,1251806143,WTC4.jpg

• 9/11 is the obvious one - i don't 100% know who, and i don't 100% know how, but i know the official story is utter bullshit.

• '93 WTC bombing encouraged and helped by FBI

• The 2002 Venezuela rebellion was the same sort of setup they're currently using in the middle east, and has been used many times.

• The NWO is a genuine and real agenda. I was on the fence about this one, as i've always been sceptical about there being some focused end goal - until you hear George H.W. Bush talk about it, and i recently found this (completely by accident, i was looking up some of my friend's tutors on his politics degree, and found this guy) - Colin S Gray. Look up his background. It's clearly a fairly mainstream agenda within the US government.

There are many more ofc, but those were the first that came to me and that i'm 99.99% sure of.

Edit - Oh, and JFK.

Masonry and illuminati are related. They both proclaim to believe in a supreme being that created us but worship Lucifer and plant symbols and images to this extent everywhere as a show of their power and influence. These things will come to light and be revealed in time.

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You seriously contradict yourself in this poorly worded and grammatically awful post. I understand attempting to troll a community (one that I happen to mostly disagree with so I can see why you would attempt to). However, if you are not trolling and in fact are a true believer, then you do more harm to your cause then if you simply stayed quiet. The general lack of knowledge that this post conveys is enough to discount your post, but the real clincher is your NSA rant. You say there is no point fighting them since they know everything (they do), and then your very next "sentence"--I use sentence in the loosest fashion possible, it might be better to say idea--is a complete rebuttal, that government agencies aren't as powerful as we think. Last time I checked, the NSA was a government organization. I am sorry, but if your're trolling, you could have done a much better job and of you're serious, then you should have just stayed quiet rather than afflict a largely coherent group with your rambling.

I think youjustdonedidit was trying say that they are trying to plant the idea in your head that they can see everything you do. That way you'll self police because you assume there is someone else policing you as well. At least that's how I interpreted it.

A message to those of you who still think "Nazis" control America:

If National Socialism were implemented in America, you would have a debt-free currency and NO Federal Reserve.

Furthermore, Freemasonry would be banned.

Look at an American dollar bill if you have one. As you can clearly see, Freemasonry is alive and well in America, and you definitely still have a debt based currency issued by the Federal Reserve.

THINK!

I think you are being naive or disingenuous, possibly both.

Operation paperclip is a fact.
The Bush/Nazi connection is a fact
The Bush/Saud connection is a fact
The C.O.G. is a fact.

should I go on?

Would you tell me more about the bush/nazi connection? Also, what is the c.o.g.? I apologize for my ignorance but you have aroused my curiosity.

no need to apologize.

C.O.G. = Continuity of Government

Bush Nazi connections - depends what you believe, but there are facts that link them. Whether George Scherff is a reality, I'm not sure.

here's a link that denies the ties were anything but commercial... as if commercial links are innocuous?

http://hnn.us/node/1811

this probably is also related to the so called 'business plot' attempted coup.

Is it not true that Germany had a debt-free currency while under National Socialism?

Amazing what happens when you don't have Jewish bankers running your country.

Germany absolutely thrived from 1933 to the beginning of the war. That after the horrible conditions of the Weimar Republic hyperinflation and the injustice of the Treaty of Versailles.

I find that comment hateful, and I feel you are inciting hatred to an ethnic/religious/cultural group. I'm not sure.

Why don't you name names?

I think comparing Hitlers currency and Jewish banking are not quite the same things. You also forget to mention that national socialism also stopped paying their debts. Which they rightfully owed from the Treaty of Versailles. National Socialism also stopped delivering coal which they rightfully should have. At the time, coal was basically gold.

Stop paying out and on paying in.... What a novel concept except everyone else was ripped off in the process.

I also down voted all your shit, cuz wtf?

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I guess you would had to have been on the losing side to think that way.

No, you are completely wrong. Nazi Germany had a Central bank called the Reichsbank. Do some reading. The central bankers worked with people like prescott bush to make ww2 happen.

Also, religious hatred aside, the currency may have been debt free but it was also worthless, or would be as soon as any of the armament factories attempted to cash in the government money. Hitler and his main banker Hjalmar Schacht financed the rearmament of Germany with Mefo bills, a currency backed by a fictional company that accumulated ridiculous interest. This way, the rearmament did not contribute to debt but was still funded. Since these bills were refundable in reichsmarks, the second these companies decided to convert to real money, Germany's economy would have collapsed.

Dude, it is both. Prescott Bush was a US Senator that invested in Nazi Germany before and during WW2 as well as the allies, and held gold on behalf of nazis, and thus made a fortune doing so.

When WW2 ended the USA brought dozens of Nazi scientists over to work on rocket techonology. The entire base of NASA was created by nazi's. Some were just nazi's by name, but others believed in the master race and other nazi propaganda BS, which was covered up from the public.

Then Prescott's son George Bush became the head of the CIA and then the president of the USA, followed by his son George Jr. becoming President.

All coincedence? They dont give a shit about the USA and they have been in positions of power since ww2.

"You're a detective now you're not allowed to believe in coincidence"

yeah that would be awesome, we could also round up all the gays and gypsies and kill them, and perform horrific scientific experiments on old people! you're super fuckin' smart!

There is a Jewish Elite who command most of the worlds governments via the proxy of the World Bank and the Rothschild family.

For me, laughing at others because they have different opinions to you is a sure sign that you have no personality. And a tiny dick :)

I think you'll find that you do believe in conspiracy theories that are passed off by MSM as fact.

For example, you seem to readily believe that a facebook page made a few weeks ago, that had 200 photos uploaded the next day contains a manifesto that you believe is accurate and was posted by the deceased whistleblower. I find that dangerous.

What's stopping TPTB from killing anyone and framing them up using only FACEBOOK!! WTF??

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. - Arthur Schopenhauer

NIST claims no explosives were used. You know how they know? By not checking!

Ya, my house didn't collapse on 9/11 so why did building 7? Inside job obviously.

I think that they rely too much on pre-conceived notions and build up a narrative based on that while ignoring contradictory information.

Yeah, that would be stupid wouldn't it?

/sarcasm

so what? same record label.. same Geffen. I think the conspiracy goes much further than this.. I'm somewhat convinced that Kurt was on the cover of Life magazine when he was a toddler.

No, you have zero sources. You have a nutters website who's just as unstable as you are. You have zero evidence. If you did then the press and the police would have something to say. As it stands, they're just laughing at you all, like the rest of the sane people on this planet.

Of course you know someone who met him. Can't argue when "Their is 0 doubt in my mind". You only believe what proves your elvis-presley conspiracies

help me what? did you ever meet him?

I've met them both, on multiple occassions. Kurt in 1989 and 1990 (and saw him in 1994, but did not meet him that time; they were too big by then), and Rivers in 1994 (twice), 1995, and 1997. Rivers Cuomo is shorter than Kurt Cobain, and shorter than me. He also has tiny, meek hands. Cobain was about the same height as me, maybe slightly taller. His hands also did not operate like dead fish.

Then there's that whole "they sound nothing alike" thing.

I'd be interested in sources for the moon landing hoax, MKultra serial killers and the secret nazi moonbase if you'd be so kind as to provide links?

I don't understand why people who hate conspiracies/theorists come to this subreddit. I dislike religious views, but I don't go to the catholic subreddit and start instigating people's views on evolution.