I don't understand this boat photo.
12 2013-04-20 by Creatrix
http://ll-media.tmz.com/2013/04/20/0420-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-cbs-boat-3.jpg
This Boston Globe story from last night describes the events:
Police were cautious in their approach, concerned that Tsarnaev could be wearing a suicide bomb vest. A Globe photographer at the scene could hear police calling, “We know you’re in there. Come out on your own terms. Come out with your hands up.” An FBI hostage rescue team was eventually able to pull him out.
If they "pulled him out", I don't understand this photo. (Also, when the homeowner noticed "something amiss" with the boat tarp and lifted it, why didn't Dzhokhar shoot him?)
36 comments
18 lotharia9 2013-04-20
My speculation:
The gunfire exchange was one sided. He was unarmed.
7 Creatrix 2013-04-20
I agree, but why say he was pulled from the boat, when there's a photo of him illuminated by the helicopter searchlight, sitting astride the edge of it, alone? It just doesn't make sense.
4 lotharia9 2013-04-20
It doesn't.
2 ice_cream_car 2013-04-20
Pulled him out in this context could mean they just talked him out. Its a poor choice of words and can be fishy. For all we know he fell back into the boat or passed out minutes later and it was omitted.
1 goofylilwayne 2013-04-20
neither does the official story of 9/11. That proved they can do whatever the fuck they want
1 merrickx 2013-04-20
Could be colloquial like, "We're taking fire! We're pulling out of here!"
He could have stepped out on his own, at which point they got close to pull him away.
6 wearebornfree 2013-04-20
I have been wondering this as well. I heard that he was injured in the shootout last night, escaped on foot and came across this boat and decided to hide. If that's the case, he was in that boat (bleeding) for at least 8 hours. Supposedly, the owner of the boat noticed a "pool of blood" but I don't know if that's true.
I listened to the whole thing on the scanner. When the helicopters first came, they reported there was no movement in the boat. So then they used flash bangs and he began moving a lot, "frantically". Then a few moments after the flash bangs they again reported "no movement in the boat." To me this seems consistent with him being very injured, perhaps in a semi-conscious state from the loss of blood.
So, how is it that a skinny kid who has spent half a day losing blood has the strength to lift himself out of a boat?
2 Creatrix 2013-04-20
Especially when stunned by flash-bangs. I don't know; that boat photo seems to ring false; seems overly-maudlin, a boy hanging his head in remorse? No blood? And how can they have fired so many shots without killing him? Are they such bad shots?
1 merrickx 2013-04-20
At what time do you think the flashbangs went off vs. what the time that he came out of the boat?
2 designerdy 2013-04-20
This is exactly what I heard. Along with the infrared readings that there was a half a tank of gas at the stern of the boat, yet they still went ahead with the flash-bangs. Soon after they called in federal HRT and the signal was quiet until he was shown in the ambulance on the news.
5 wearebornfree 2013-04-20
Yes, it was a 40 gallon tank that was about half full. For a moment they thought they spotted a flame on the bloat. Soon after that, they asked for radio silence, and it went dead for 5-10 mins until it was over..."WATCH YA MICS WATCH YA MICS"
I have listened to scanner feeds for years, and this one could have won an oscar, it was so dramatic and perfectly orchestrated. Luckily, I typed it up while I was listening.
4 designerdy 2013-04-20
Did you also hear when someone came across that there "was an uplink and there are listeners on the internet. do you want that taken out?" "yes." That was fucked up. Please share your typings, if you can.
2 wearebornfree 2013-04-20
"We have a problem with your downlink being broadcast on the internet
Do want us to terminate that downlink?
You can’t coast a downlink is that correct?"
And that was the end of that guys voice....I heard somewhere it was actually an officers dash cam being broadcast, but who knows.
There was so much activity on the scanner it was hard to keep up, and they were using a lot of codes and police jargon. I'll have to go through it and take out some names and addresses, but I think I will post it.
2 Dalaim0mma 2013-04-20
Please deliver!
1 designerdy 2013-04-20
That was what I heard, thanks.
1 merrickx 2013-04-20
Do you know the extent of his wounds?
1 wearebornfree 2013-04-20
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/20/us/boston-attack/index.html
6 Creatrix 2013-04-20
And I have heard people surmise that a Craft operative watched them walk right by him, then raised a hand to his earpiece and spoke to someone. In this FBI video, why is this supposed op's face blurred out in both viewing angles, when no one else's face is blurred? Go to 1:36:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN_Vzgdxof8
3 trailer_park_jesus 2013-04-20
not sure if this has any relation, but it, at least, appears that part of this image of the suspect being arrested is blurred: http://i.imgur.com/0eXVvXz.jpg
4 Creatrix 2013-04-20
That could be due to movement. But his torso has no blood on it at all. Not consistent with the surgeon saying he has multiple wounds on "pretty much his whole trunk".
I just wish they'd get their damn stories straight.
1 aquajock 2013-04-20
Every face that could be seen in that video is blurred out, except for the suspects. Look at 1:27. Those faces are blurred too.
1 Carabeli 2013-04-20
The video shows them walking across the same area, you can cross index the blurred out person you're talking about to the man standing in the doorway at 2:00 in the video who is clearly not blurred out. He makes the same hand motions and appears to just be warming himself up. If you want further evidence suggesting this follow the woman walking in front of the brothers with the bright blue jacket and yellow balloons, it's hard to miss those colors.
I'm not sure how you make the jump to that being definitive evidence of a Craft operative but whatever.
4 DabsJeeves 2013-04-20
So NOW they have "state-of-the-art thermal imaging cameras." Where were these when he was throwing bombs at police and escaping from them?
2 merrickx 2013-04-20
There are logistics involved in flying a helo, namely flight checks, fueling, and the fact that there wasn't a helo just hovering in the vicinity of MIT before anything popped off.
3 alphanovember 2013-04-20
No mannn, it's totally like in the movies where my completely uninformed assumptions are the truth.
1 DabsJeeves 2013-04-20
BUT, they had them at a standoff for 20-30 minutes, with the full help of the FBI on a manhunt for this kid. You would think they would have something more helpful than the eyesight of a few of their officers...
1 merrickx 2013-04-20
Yes, but we can't just make assumptions off of hypotheticals. It's very possible that they're withholding video from a helo to hide something, or that they specifically refrained from using the helo for the same reason, or they just didn't have a helo at that specific time for any number of reasons.
In all those videos around the time of the shootout, and "capture" of the first brother, we never see a spotlight, and it was made pretty clear that the area was dark as shit. They probably would have benefit from some illumination. They could have intentionally called off the helo, but we probably would have heard that over the air. Did anyone in the area at the time see or hear a helo? It's very likely that they weren't able to get one up on such short notice. Though, I'd imagine them to be a little more prepared.
3 [deleted] 2013-04-20
That doctor was talking about the older brother, who did die of multiple gunshot wounds and damage from an explosive.
Video.
1 trailer_park_jesus 2013-04-20
link to original video?
1 Creatrix 2013-04-20
I don't have a video link. It's just a photo I've seen posted everywhere online.
But this video from The Daily Mail has the doctor at the hospital describing his wounds as many gunshots plus damage from an explosive, "pretty much his whole trunk": http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2312253/Dramatic-heat-sensor-photographs-reveal-marathon-bomber-tracked-police-hid-BOAT-Boston-backyard.html
Yet this photo shows no damage at all to his entire abdomen: http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ht_dzhokar_arrest_kb_130419_wg.jpg
1 trailer_park_jesus 2013-04-20
apparently it was a surveillance photo taken by a helicopter, at least that is what is reported in the video
1 trailer_park_jesus 2013-04-20
"Cops who had lost one of their own the night before rolled him over and immediately began treating wounds to his neck and leg that might have been fatal had he not been found." Taken from The Daily Beast article.
0 Creatrix 2013-04-20
Neck and leg. Not "entire trunk" as the surgeon reported. Odd.
1 merrickx 2013-04-20
Was that "entire trunk" statement in reference to the younger or the older brother?
1 multicamwarrant 2013-04-20
PIC was a surveillance photo of the kid getting in the boat not coming out.
1 mandr01d 2013-04-20
^ Source please?
1 wearebornfree 2013-04-20
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/20/us/boston-attack/index.html