Please educate me

8  2013-04-25 by Rinner23

Simply curious, as a silent observer.. Can anyone explain the reasoning why the government/authorities would wish to commit such acts? I understand the concept of false flag, but I'm not exactly sure what the ultimate goal is. Please no Alex Jones I've followed his work for many years and have no patience left :)

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

Like this they wanted to blame Cuba for a series of terror attacks that the US carried out so the motive would be to kill Castro, invade Cuba, set up new war fronts against Communism etc. if you're sitting round waiting for an excuse and it doesn't materialise, make an excuse.

It's worth mentioning that Operation Northwoods never actually happened. When General Lemnitzer proposed it, he was promptly fired by the Kennedy Administration.

History here is a good guide. Look at the Reichstag fire:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_Fire_Decree

I am familiar with that, I simply do not understand How it pertains to present day America (possibly other countries). What is the ultimate goal, why would so much energy be expended and for what result? For me, it's about the goal.. And although I understand that supreme power can breed this behaviour I simply do not understand the reasoning behind it.

You answered your own question. The Reichstag fires happened before the Nazi party had 'supreme power'; but by staging the event they were, in part, able to attain it for over a decade.

It makes sense to me, but it seems that the current arguments pertain to those already in power. It could be some higher magnitude of purpose but then I'm honestly lost for lack of evidence. Wholesale dismissal of discussion in mainstream concerns me but at the same time there is so much unsubstantiated 'proof'. (I'm not referring to your post, as that is not refutable).

The problem is that people don't seriously consider the option. We are told that the public opinion is to not question official federal reports.

If you are free from this mass delusion and approach the reports with skepticism, it is clear that the FBI is not truthful and impossibly secretive.

With this case in particular, all of the anecdotal and even official reports from right after the accident disagree with the official story. Reports which don't substantiate the official story will be omitted and suppressed moving forward.

The powers at be have the media as their mouthpiece, so as long as everybody just listens to them without questioning their version of things, the 'official public opinion' upon which policy is based can manipulate the masses to support whatever the powerful forces want.

My question for you:

Why do people who believe that our media is used to manipulate the truth need to defend their sanity rather than rationally argue? Look at every large military power in history and you will see that the rulers lied to the people for the means of control.

der Wille zur Macht

looks like it's going to be a push for internet control in the name national 'cyber-security'. Just basing that off the newest news trend on the 'radicalization' of the two brothers. The biggest threat to power is the spread of information.

Total Control.

On wikipedia look up "Operation PBSuccess", "Operation AJAX", "Operation Condor", and "Strategy of Tension." Basically what it boils down to is this: the US government has been deposing of legitimate democracies using "State Terrorism" (another term you should look up) and replacing them with pro-business dictatorships in foreign countries for years now - at least since the 1950s. All that is happening is they are now going to do that in America.

If you want to know what entity is doing this watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJldun440Sk&list=WL439844FB21AF30A1

Good post. Its about removing people that stand in the way of corporate money making or stumbling blocks in gaining more regional hegemony. If someone says they are not selling you oil, they don't want a westernised central bank or they won't sign peace deals and be an ally then you're in the crosshairs.

I don't understand how that applies to demostic concerns.

You didn't even look at what I posted. I thought you came here to be "educated." Okay, you need it spelled out for you - they don't believe in freedom. All they care about is money and control. Freedom gets in the way of them being able to efficiently make money and gain control, which is why they have gotten rid of freedom in foreign countries and now our going to do it in the US as well. Exact same principle. We are their serfs and we will do what they say to serve their interests - that's how they see it.

One need not know motive in order to evaluate the evidence objectively.

Disregarding evidence due to a preconceived notion of what one would or would not do clouds many people's vision.

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I don't think anyone knows the 'ultimate goal', although there's many far out theories involving aliens, satan, agenda 21, centralized one world government, etc. All you have to know is that they're psychopaths that don't give a shit about the masses, and that it's up to us to stop it from happening.

Why does an abusive parent continue to strike fear and trauma into a child after that child's will is broken? Why do rapists commit their crimes? Why does a violent, controlling husband beat, threaten, isolate, and intimidate his battered wife long after she's submitted? Why doesn't the bully leave the kid alone once he has taken lunch money and pride pride from the victim?

All abuse stems from that desire for power and control. Other things may shroud that desire, but that is the heart of it. At a certain point, though, control is an illusion that can never be held as fully substantial. So, the abuser, depending on circumstances, impulse, or desire, escalates the abuse as an attempt to achieve that greater power, that tighter control.

It's the compulsion of the violent person. It's the compulsion of the violent entity.

They want more. Always more.

If you've "followed" Alex Jones for years then you should know. It's all about the erosion of rights, the consolidation of world cultures into a single homogenous culture to bring about the NWO. It all relates to Agenda 21, the UN, and the big foundations. Jones explains this a lot.

It's part of the Hegelian dialectic. Problem->Reaction->Solution. They create a problem, to get a predicted reaction, to offer a pre made solution which brings the end goal closer to fruition, the end goal being World Government by a technocratic elite. Ever heard the phrase "The ends justify the means"?

All of this has been written about by the people who put the plan together about 100 years ago.

It's part of the Hegelian dialectic. Problem->Reaction->Solution. They create a problem, to get a predicted reaction, to offer a pre made solution

That how the conspiracy crowd frequently explained how the "North American Union by 2005 2007 2010!!!" and "Amero by 2005 2007 2010!!!" would happen, despite a lack of support for the idea from citizens and elected officials.

They claimed that a false-flag terror attack would lead to the NAU. This despite 9/11 having the opposite effect - passport controls and other obstacles on the borders for the first time ever. How often does a terror attack lead to a cry of "We Must Open The Borders With Canada And Mexico!!!"?

They claimed that an economic crisis would lead to the NAU and the Amero. And yet the 2008 economic crisis had the opposite effect - increased protectionism by the US, and Canada distancing itself from the US economy as fast as it can.

WorldNetDaily ran headlines like "U.S. UNDER U.N. LAW IN HEALTH EMERGENCY", with a tale of how the government has agreed to martial law backed by U.N. troops. And yet we had SARS. We Had H1N1. No martial law. No UN troops. (When the lock-down didn't happen with H1N1, WorldNetDaily even switched to demanding it instead.)

Problem->Reaction->Solution is a real political trick in the real world of course, but it has a very poor record of correlating with Alex Jones's conspiracy theories.

It all relates to Agenda 21

Yes. Because the instant you rotate your crops or leave trees along the side of your field so the top-soil doesn't blow away, you're under the control of Them / They / The Elites.

It's crazy how you can just regurgitate the same talking points over and over straight from George Soros himself. It's like you believe everything that billionaires tell you and think they have your best interests in mind LOL. Is thinkprogress your homepage?

Same claim, same response. Why would it change?

Environmental protection, the age-old obsession of the wealthy and powerful. Should I be declaring YOUR posts to be straight from the Koch brothers? Is NewsMax your home page? C'mon. Be serious.

Uh, like I said, the wealthy and powerful are the ones funding all of the green projects, the Koch Brothers are boogeymen used by the greenies to call the morons(like you) to action. They're just as much in on the scheme as the rest of them. You're telling me George Soros and Maurice Strong aren't wealthy powerful people with "environmentalist" goals? You are picking and choosing. Or Bill Gates? Or the Rockefeller Foundations? Or the Ford Foundations? Or the Carnegie Foundations? All of these people and organizations aren't rich and powerful and aren't pushing "environmentalist" propaganda? You must be in COMPLETE DENIAL, you fool.

Their goal, or the end-game, is no less than complete control over every political system in the world, through the institutions of central banking and fractional reserve banking, mental control through pharmaceuticals and the media, and physical control through forced bio-computer chip implants at birth, with a built in kill switch. Also population reduction, by about 90 percent, which they are already working on through using starvation and disease as weapons in third world countries. One can easily see how these false flag attacks lead towards this end game, by allowing them to move their pawns (police, army, TSA, DHS etc) heavier and heavier onto the next battlefield (the U.S.)

Translation: Please post your comment so we can bait and downvote you to oblivion.

Ok my time here is obviously wasted. I figured I'd try to start a conversation I could learn something from. Nice work.

do downvotes really bother you that much?