Will this ever change ? Probably not. Why ? Because the Government is a religion to a lot of people. Religions are never questioned. So, if the Government is revered the way a religion is, then questioning the Government is sacrilege, no matter how absurd the official story is.

yes, this. the best way to approach and analyze statism is to frame it as a religion - that really is what it is. you have to understand that the loyalty and trust that "normal" people feel for the government is the same kind of loyalty and trust that people feel for their god and religious hierarchy in their respective religions. it is a deep-seated feeling that defines them down to the core of who they are and how they interact with the world around them at a base level, just like religion is for religious people.

this took me a long time, personally, to wrap my head around, because from our point of view it is just so outlandish. the thing is, even if there was even more obvious proof that 9/11 was bogus, people still would not believe. why do you think catholicism is still going strong even after it has been revealed that the organization is little more than a paedophilia pyramid scheme? to religious people, the "truth" does not matter, and never will - only the feelings that define them matter.

Agreed.

Do not underestimate the ripple effects a tiny pebble of truth will cause.

Do not underestimate the ripple effects a tiny pebble of truth will cause.

We will see.

We are witnessing it now. As evidenced by this conversation.

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But anyone who has grappled with history, and understands what happened with JFK, generally gets it.

Well, I have grappled with History, and I do understand, in detail, what happened with JFK. And I 'get it'. Speaking if JFK, you know there is new sub dedicated to just that very topic. If you are interested, why pay it a visit. /r/JFKresearcher

Great, I'll go check them out.

If you post evidence they insult you. If you have a legitimate counterpoint they ignore it. You can't keep them on issue very long. Some in the 9/11 Truth movement feel it's good to have them try to debunk you because it'll lead them to research it, and it's hard not to come away empty-handed when seeking the official story. So it's good to keep these arguments going, even if they call you retarded. If people call Galileo retarded it doesn't change the fact earth is heliocentric after all.

I think we need humor on our side. We're all an intense bunch of folks. We need to show people it's okay to laugh at the official claims. Because when people laugh they use a different part of their brain from when they think they're fighting. We can all agree some parts of the official story are hilarious. The passport that survived the magic fire. The quickly revealed and never-explained hijacker listings. The intense resistance to investigation. It's all laughable. We just have to show people it's okay to.

That is why this is one of the best 9/11 videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgrunnLcG9Q

It's a psychological tactic to loudly shout at others about a deficiency in their communication without examining it or replying to it on-point. It's meant towards casual observers rather than people following the discourse. It's likely a government propaganda account.

Up until about a year ago, I was one of the people who believed all those "911 truthers" were on the same level as the people looking for Obama's birth certificate. Conspiracy nuts with too much free time and too little critical thinking skill.

The hardest thing for me to overcome was the knowledge that the country I've loved all my life is actually capable of that level of evil. I still struggle with it.

My tipping point for knowing beyond a shadow of a doubt that 911 was a false flag was when I finally realized what happened to JFK. Once you come to terms with the fact that the people who killed JFK are still running the show, well anything is possible.

To answer your question, I honestly don't know. Accepting the truth is very painful. Some people want the blue pill, and I'm fine with that.

The hardest thing for me to overcome was the knowledge that the country I've loved all my life is actually capable of that level of evil. I still struggle with it.

Of course it is. The US faked a terror attack in Vietnam on their own ship and over 60,000 American soldiers died in the subsequent war. Those soldiers were American citizens. The Iraq war was also a massive lie and over 4000 American soldiers have dies there and they were American citizens.

They've injected people with diseases, done sick experiments on people like guinea pigs, overthrow elected governments and massacred people and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

What you need to realise is that people have a psychopathic, elitist mentality and you are literally nothing but a tax contributor to their criminal empire and you're basically worthless. That's honestly a real way in how people think of you and it's shown by their utter disdain for human life.

I started to really dig in to JFK when I realized that Obama was a puppet. I guess you could say the horror of realizing that Obama was an empty suit lead me to investigate whether or not ALL presidents have been empty suits.

I'm now fairly sure that the most successful coup d'etat in modern history occured on November 22, 1963.

Well cool, this German author agrees with my assessment!

http://www.larsschall.com/2013/08/20/jfks-death-marked-the-end-of-the-american-republic/

How do you convince a "9/11 denial" person that the JFK assassination was done by more than one shooter?

Because, I've spoken to individuals who argue that the JFK assassination wasn't a conspiracy.

If there was more than one shooter, it was a conspiracy.

The president was shot from multiple, different angles. Then his head was almost blown off from a frontal blast.

After watching the video of JFK being shot, How the fuck could any logical, rational thinking person ever come to the conclusion that Oswald shot him from the book depository?

How could any person with a working brain think JFK was killed anywhere other than the frontal blast? The physics is impossible otherwise. His head literally jolts back off his neck. There's no fucking way the shot came from behind him.

Edit: excuse my language, but seriously. How could you ever think otherwise? Your brain is fucked if you can't come to terms with the fact that the JFK shooting involved 2 people and is therefore, by definition, a conspiracy.

If a person can watch http://vimeo.com/71374637 and NOT have their eyes and mind wide open... then they're not ready for the red pill. They may never be.

A percentage of people are unable or unwilling to even attempt to challenge their indoctrination. You know the personality type... low intellect boot lickers.

The very powerful media campaign regarding 9/11 has, over 10+ years, worked very hard to indoctrinate people. The official narrative has thus been ingested by a great many, and anyone who questions these digested beliefs is a:

• terrorist sympathizer

• tin foil hat nutter

• 'conspiracy theorist' (their favorite label, given to them by the media as a deflector).

Another view much more simple. I feel most folks at some level call BS on the entire 9/11 story. However, to openly admit it to themselves or another, then leads to the conclusions we have dealt with all these years. Most folk simply cannot go there, so it is easier to deny the truth and support the corruption. To bring any semblance of Justice would bring down reality as we know it, and folk just can't handle the truth.

There are two fronts. There is the "truther" version which hopes to cast doubt on the official explanation of what happened and then there is the "conspiracy" version which attempts to prove how/why the buildings fell.

While many would examine the official version and discover questions all own their own, they don't because they're been overfed every possible conspiracy possibility ever by people eager to be first to present evidence, most of which was speculation, made up, false, incorrect or easily unproven.

People owe themselves, their children and their grandchildren the examination of the official version of events that day. they should form a few simple questions that can't help but come from an interested party.

If those questions can then be answered to their satisfaction, they should sleep well.

But if their questions are not answered to their satisfaction, they should join those who want to know what happened that day, whether it was 19 Muslims or more.

My one question was inspired by the movie "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest"... when the timid patient asked Nurse Ratchet " why can't I have MY cigarettes?"

My question is "Why can't I see the Pentagon videos?"

They're MY goddamn videos.

The overwhelming body of evidence which, rather successfully, calls into question the validity of the 9/11 Comission Report, and the following groups of professionals;

Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth

Pilots for 9/11 Truth

Scientists for 9/11 truth

.. have lent so much credibility and validity to the 9/11 Truth movement that it's become more and more difficult to ignore.

It's becoming harder and harder for the shills and parrots to find support or sympathetic ears when so many professionals are arrayed together for the sole purpose of not proving that it was an "inside job" but simply taking a position of "Tell us something that rings true" about the buildings' collapse. Not to mention the mountain of odd "coincidences" that collectively, necessarily, and unbelievably had to happen to facilitate the events of 9/11.

In aggregate, the available evidence (or official lack thereof), legions of experts, and the glaring problems with the 9/11 Commission itself, makes anyone waving the the 9/11 Commission report as gospel look like a gullible tool.

This is the truth, all one has to do is spend some time peering into that deep dark 911 rabbithole and... bingo, down you go.

oh you mean like this?

http://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1kkvd3/i_believe_911_was_an_inside_job_cmv/cbpzob2

People on that thread are eating that up. Dude even got some gold.

The problem with determining the truth of what happened with 911 is that everyone supplying "facts" is biased.