The real crackdown on reddit is happening right now.

This site has grown far worse than the way Digg was when the mass exodus to Reddit occurred. The worst part about it is that with Reddit, the sell-out is being done in stealth to prevent us from realizing that we're being played for fools.

Digg didn't have subreddits. It was all just mashed together in to basically 6 categories. Once part of it fell, it all fell. Reddit at least has subreddits so there are ways to escape the censorship, at least for a while.

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Or that would just ruin your access to all of this information we hold so dear.

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egypt

Rome. Greeks.

They started out strong and just stood around, wishing to get back to the good old days. So they emulated those good old days, and fell into disrepair...

So you lay everything down and give up? Come on guy.

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What? The fuck are you talking about? Is this guy for real?

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I know what you're talking about. I just can't make any sense of it. How is not using the only tools we have to reach out to others a solution? How is clicking a button that you MUST click to continue the service giving up?

By the way, don't go around accusing everyone who replies negatively to your comments of being a shill. It makes you sound like a fucking idiot and makes everything you've said seem that much dumber.

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What is to be credited to you? You said it's time to stop using these devices because they are owned and monitored by the very people we're struggling against, right? I reitirated that, but mentioned how stupid that is. You plan on educating everyone you know face to face on a daily basis? No, ofcourse not. We still need these tools to counter act the mis/disinformation TPTB churn out constantly.

You, sir, are the shill

Yeah it's a doozy to get your head around isn't it.

nothing is inherently unsafe about GMO foods.

there are ways to create unsafe foods using GMO technology.

it is a TOOL. it may be used for great good or great evil.

do not denigrate a TOOL. denigrate poor uses of it.

edit: this whole situation is a perfect example of how well meaning causes (information about food and how it is prepared and grown) gets subverted into completely ineffective "solutions." people hate monsanto and people want more information about GMO. this is a good thing. i agree. but all of these people are supporting a "solution" which is completely irrelevant to those concerns! putting a sticker or label on food that says it is GMO and nothing more detailed (which is what is proposed by the labeling initiative) doesn't solve the problems. in fact, it would serve to reduce information about GMO and their effectiveness! if either of those groups want to truly achieve their desires, they would work towards revoking Monsanto's corporate charter and work to increase detailed information on health and nutritional labels. however, currently both groups are being lulled into thinking they are helping by supporting GMO labeling.

There is literally no benefit to using gmo. Organic farming is the only farming worth having.

in the 20 years since GMO crops first came on the market, studies have found that they have led to higher pesticide use, and no meaningful improvement in flavor, nutrition, yield or water requirements. Instead, what they've created are plants that are engineered to withstand massive dosing of toxic herbicides, and plants that function as living pesticide factories. Monsanto's Bt. corn, for example, is actually registered with the EPA as a pesticide.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ocean-robbins/huge-gmo-news_b_4129311.html

I have yet to get ANYONE in a mainstream subreddit respond to this study about how there's a virus gene hidden in commercial GMO crops

Article about it

Good find.

So far the TOOL's primary function has been to increasingly monopolize agriculture for the sake of profit.

This does not bode well for the people as a whole.

Furthermore, there is much that has yet to be understood WRT the unintended consequences of genetic manipulation. Irreversible changes can take place in either target or non-target organisms, and if these changes are passed to subsequent generations...

You see?

so you are afraid because you do not understand it fully and worry people doing it also do not understand it fully.

this is still not a reason to label GMOs as there could very well (and there certainly are) people who DO understand how it works and are more than capable of producing many beneficial GMOs.

what you should advocate is education about GMO technology.

It's none of your or anyone else's business WHY people would choose to buy or not buy a GMO product. It's a consumer's right to know where their food comes from, bottom line.

sure but putting a label on a food simply saying it is GMO is about as informative as not having it at all. and it only encourages a lack of thought.

Who wouldn't want to know what is in their food? So ridiculous

edit: monsanto shill downvote alert

saying something is GMO has nothing to do with telling you anything about what is in it.

adding something to a nutrition label which says what genes were used DOES.

there's a world of difference.

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yeah see that's ignorance. there is EVERY possibility GMO food could be extremely beneficial as there is it could be extremely detrimental.

you should learn about specifics, not dismiss generally.

all your post tells me is "whatever i don't like learning things but i LOVE fear"

you sound like the people who are scared of vaccines and caused the recent MMR outbreaks around the world...

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Gettin vaccinated isn't the same as being the first generation of people who are basically the long term test subjects.

this proves you do not know ANYTHING about GMO.

we are hardly the first generation to eat them. and they are in a wide array of food products already.

and you also do not know how to read if you think i am advocating not putting detailed information about them on nutrition labels.

but, simply putting a large sticker on a box that says GMO is completely unhelpful and adds no information.

if you want to avoid all GMO food, grow everything yourself. otherwise, it is impossible.

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lol i'm not offended. i am just pointing out that your position is one of ignorance. you state over and over you are uninterested in even learning more about them and just 'don't want them.'

it offends me not that you are dumb, but that people like you are advocating something which will increase ignorance for many millions of people who may not have the same attitudes as you. it is fascism.

the solution is not to say things are GMO or not. the solution is to add a section to the nutritonal label which details genetic alteration within any substances used in the preparation and growing of the food.

then, you can look at the back and if there are things listed (even when they will eventually say "genes added to increase visual acuity" or something else beneficial) simply refuse to read on and make your ignorant decision to not buy the product.

don't kid yourself into thinking that all GMO would be labeled anyways. read up on how the FDA and USDA does its due diligence (hint, they don't really).

my solution and ideas keep us all much more informed and intelligent than your line of ignorant thought.

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i'm apparently more literate than you if THAT's the part of my post you take issue with.

edit: i should explain, since you won't get this comment. i spent that whole post tearing you apart for being an idiot, and your response is to split hairs over my application of the very broadly defined term "fascism"

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it's not a resort to it, it was my main criticism of your view from the get go. you are willfully ignorant of GMOs and steadfast in your conviction of their awfulness despite having apparently no working knowledge of their applications and utility.

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my pursuit of wanting to avoid GMOs doesn't impact you at all

yes it does. if you knew anything about GMO or the GMO labeling initiatives then you would understand how.

but, that's right, you don't like to learn things before you make decisions.

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labeling GMOs without detailed information does nothing BUT impose your views on other people.

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LITERALLY EVERYTHING IN SUPER MARKETS CURRENTLY HAS GMO IN IT.

so what now, moron.

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...so if you agree...how do you also think adding labels that simply say GMO gives you any new information at all?

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no im not kidding do you understand that every item in grocery stores in america has GMO in it? we are not another country our entire food supply is riddled with the things.

the only thing labeling food as GMO will accomplish is that some of the food will be labeled which has GMO and some WONT (any company with enough money to lobby congress and get themselves exemption from the labeling laws, which WILL happen)

so, putting labels will only make you THINK you know more. it won't actually give you any new information and you will STILL be eating GMO food.

do you get it now?

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it really isn't. truly. all of our corn is GMO, all of our soy is GMO, all of our grains are GMO.

all of our bananas are GMO, all of our apples are GMO, all of our mass produced produce is GMO.

of course, you shouldn't even be talking or arguing with me about this as you have said before you are ignorant of the applications and utility of GMO.

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so you are buying produce from farmers markets which are not even COVERED BY THE GMO LABELING INITIATIVES.

you are so dumb dude.

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you haven't even been making arguments you are just replying with the same lalalala i can't hear you ignorance in every post.

then you admit at the end that where you do most of your shopping is an arena which isn't even discussed by the labeling initiatives proving that your advocacy for them is PURELY telling others what to do.

Wouldn't the absence of such a label encourage the lack of thought of it?

jesus christ

GMOs are not inherently beneficial. They are a method of achieving a type of product. You could do the same with selective breeding and heirlooms. The optimum foods have already existed, why should we fix what isn't broken?

so you are afraid because you do not understand it fully and worry people doing it also do not understand it fully.

You are correct when you say that I do not understand GMO technology fully.

You are incorrect if you believe that anyone ins anything close to understanding GMO technology in full.

If there is one thing that history has taught us, it us that any advancement in technology that can be used to generate profit, make war, increase/consolidate power, it will be.

This is already the case with GMO's - patented organisms that have already captured the lion's share of the market in many products.

Can they be beneficial? Yes they can. Will they be used toward nefarious ends? You bet your ass.

They are already being used to monopolize agriculture. If you don't see the potential for abuse here, you're naive.

lol oh man i never said there is no potential for abuse or that they aren't being abused. i just said labeling them does nothing GOOD. it just creates more fear and ignorance.

There is already a good deal of skepticism directed at GMO's and the motives of their manufacturers - and skepticism is healthy.

And labeling GMO's as such "creating ignorance"? I'm afraid I don't follow your logic there.

Labeling controversial products as such gives consumers a measure of choice - they can vote with their dollars. If the GMO manufacturers wish to peddle their wares, they should make a concerted effort to establish safety, and then educate the consumers - who will then happily buy their products.

Don't you agree?

no i don't. they should be treated EXACTLY the same as any other food product and subject to no worse scrutiny. doing so would ONLY serve to create fear. (why are we scrutinizing this differently and more?)

if you do not think the current food safety standards are sophisticated enough to take GMO food and potential hazards from them into account, then we need to revise those standards and continue to apply the same (now updated) set to all food products.

as for the ignorance issue, see my other reply to shockaDee.

no i don't. they should be treated EXACTLY the same as any other food product and subject to no worse scrutiny. doing so would ONLY serve to create fear. (why are we scrutinizing this differently and more?)

Because by manipulating genes, we are fucking with the very core of living organisms. It is not the same as selective breeding or hybridization - and no one can foresee unintended consequences - not just to human health, but to the environment at large

New York Times:

Just as the heavy use of antibiotics contributed to the rise of drug-resistant supergerms, American farmers’ near-ubiquitous use of the weedkiller Roundup has led to the rapid growth of tenacious new superweeds.

To fight them, Mr. Anderson and farmers throughout the East, Midwest and South are being forced to spray fields with more toxic herbicides, pull weeds by hand and return to more labor-intensive methods like regular plowing.

“We’re back to where we were 20 years ago,” said Mr. Anderson, who will plow about one-third of his 3,000 acres of soybean fields this spring, more than he has in years. “We’re trying to find out what works.”

Farm experts say that such efforts could lead to higher food prices, lower crop yields, rising farm costs and more pollution of land and water.

“It is the single largest threat to production agriculture that we have ever seen,” said Andrew Wargo III, the president of the Arkansas Association of Conservation Districts.

Do you think Monsanto INTENDED to create Super Pigweed?

Crops cross-pollinate. Animals (like salmon) that are SUPPOSED to be sterile become fertile - get loose, and can change whole species, affecting their predators and their prey.

Ever heard of "Killer Bees"? No, that wasn't a GMO experiment, but like rats and cats being introduced to isolated islands, unintended consequences can be devastating.

With GMOs, the potential for irreversible damage is mind boggling, and no, I do NOT trust monopolistic mega-corporations or the little politicians and bureaucrats that they keep tucked comfortably in their pockets with that kind of power.

/You sound Roundup-Ready

Do you think Monsanto INTENDED to create Super Pigweed?

personally, yes.

Well, there you are, then.

It does not create fear and ignorance, it creates choice.

oh you're right, it creates a choice...

people against certain GMOs will be way less likely to actually learn the differences in others offered and instead choose to remain ignorant of the benefits offered because they see a label that says "GMO" and to them that means bad.

combined with how we teach everyone to think in this country, (black box thought, input always gives same output for very generalized functions) we would worsen willful ignorance by a large factor.

labeling something GMO does nothing other than tell someone "do not bother looking into any specifics about how this food was grown, harvested, or prepared or consider any potential benefits which may be offered by its genetic alteration. instead, file this under the same category with every other GMO in your brain."

whether for each person that means GOOD or BAD is completely arbitrary. but, it certainly increases and encourages ignorance.

I would argue GMO is bad. Only because it is a slippery slope, and it won't be long before all food is GMO, then if we find out there are long term genetic problems associated with them, say, increased rates of cancer, we can all think back to the moment when we chose GMO foods, because they were labelled as such. Much better than going ignorantly.

yeah i don't support this argument because the same EXACT one has been used to keep drugs illegal and fuel the drug war around the world for many decades now.

nice try though.

edit: also for a conspiracy board, don't we all agree we will end up eating totally GMO food anyways? this is why we should push for detailed information about them added to health and nutritional labels and NOT get subverted into thinking we "solved the problem" by putting a big fucking sticker on the box of them that says "GMO" (you know, that sticker we know just won't happen to apply to monsantos products....)

Well I do agree that they shouldn't just have a GMO sticker on it and that's it, of course there should be detailed information on the packaging, just like any other food product. As long as it's labelled somewhere so others can do their due dilligence when shopping.

so you agree, the current GMO labeling movement is a sham and a distraction.

I think it shoud be a standardized system much like the current labels nutritional information, except rather detailing perhaps genetic makeup information or some other method of differentiating various products.

absolutely!

i just hate how the current movement will (if passed) make people feel like the situation has been handled. instead, the movement needs to be educated about what to push for specifically, and frankly, become less biased against GMO. because there is a huge potential for making some really fucking cool food which could be enormously beneficial for humans and the environment.

Wouldn't be the first time.

Humans are GMOs - and look at the bunch of fuck-ups we are.

/Thanks, gods!

If GMO was more open source and not proprietary like Monsantosoft people would be more trusting. Why should we take anyone's word for it that what they say they put in our foods' genes is good for us or harmless? I'll stick to co-op grown heirloom organics, thank you very much.

We should label both GMO and non-GMO then instead of just singling out GMOs.

It blows my mind how anybody could so persistently refute the idea that labeling is a good idea, while not receiving any kind of incentive from the industry.

I can't fathom that as a consumer, you want LESS information about what you eat? What about me? If my preferences are different, fuck me right?

Some rational people argue with such conviction over GMOs, but only shills argue against labeling.

You know who else labeled things he didn't like? Hitler. He made the Jews wear the Star of David. A type of label just like the one you want to put on GMO food.

you should put information about growing processes, fertilizers, pesticides, and genetic alteration all on the health label. singling out in a large button-fashion a specific tool used in the preparation of a food is stereotypical and unhelpful information. some GMO are good, some are bad.

do you think we should put a label on all foods grown with pesticide? "GROWN WITH PESTICIDE" and then neglect to add any details about what sort?

that is what is being attempted with the GMO labeling initiatives.

i never suggested less information is good. i simply feel labeling is counterproductive to information spreading.

i simply feel labeling is counterproductive to information spreading.

I simply feel labelling information is counterproductive to informaion spreading.

Sorry but it just doesn't make sense. Here is your logical problem.

Despite your perceptions of ignorance of the masses, people will use information, especially when they have had some education about a subject. There hasn't been much education about GMO because it's still a relatively new concept in it's modern incarnation.

So we should trust the work of Monsanto. Uh, Hell No!

then don't trust Monsanto. I agree, they suck ass. But Monsanto is not synonymous with GMO anymore than Apple is with the internet.

Uh, yes they are.

so no one else ever uses GMO? you're retarded if you think that.

Monsanto is FAR and away the biggest beneficiaries or patentable GMOs, there is no question

edit: 2 up, 7 down, for stating facts. Nice.

you should maybe look up what synonymous means...

Doesn't invalidate what I said

edit: jesus christ fucking monsanto shills all up in this bitch

i mean, it absolutely does.

for something to be synonymous with another thing it means both are interchangeable.

not everyone working with GMOs is working for Monsanto. and on top of that side, not everything Monsanto does is exclusively GMO technologies.

so you are wrong.

Assuming that Monsanto and its TPTB shareholders have our best interests at heart, we simply do not understand DNA well enough to use it for anything good. Whoever thought experimenting with the public would be beneficial was sorely mistaken. I'm inclined to believe that this was done on purpose to harm everybody who eats GMO foods. Vote with your wallet, buy local and organic where possible. If monsatan doesn't have money they can't fund these paranoid operations. They are afraid of us, and they better be, because their days as a profitable racket are numbered.

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actually if you look at popular posts here...say 1500 + overall in 5 hours, then check r/all. You will see posts in the same range but not r/conspiracy. I havent done this alot but something I have noticed. It is like we need 2 to 1 in order to make it these days. I suggest saying fuck reddit and enjoy this community while it lasts. This too will be torn apart eventually.

Digg was once valued at $300, 000, 000. Now its a ghost town http://digg.com

Actually it's quite nice these days. No comments, but I like the stories they post

That thread is insane. If those are real people who actually believe what they typed, we are FUCKED. Holy cow.

Yeah I am tempted to facepalm so hard and get into a debate. Then again, they are trolls and I will just get heavily downvoted.

Same here. I felt overwhelmed by a horde of kool-aid drinking brain-slaves. That's as close to actual zombies as we can get.

Yeah I always think it is funny when people say how they wish there were zombies because the reality is that we are surrounded by them.

Promoting the real goal of capitalization, a seller controlled market, not a market(buyer-consumer) controlled market.

Now you all just shut up and eat what we can make the biggest profits from and shut up!

Could you pass the processed potato flakes and congealed rape seed oil please?

I have included the fake chemical spices, flavorings and preservatives.

Enjoy!

All ingredients 100% Monsanto GMO, guaranteed!

Sorry, I'm too busy putting Syrian flavored petroleum products into my ancient technology slavemobile.

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Anyone know how to program a bot? Make it freely available. They want 20 votes, give everyone 20 votes.

The default subs first, then the fringe subs, then Reddit.

The plan has been officially put in motion.

Look at the proposed laws of only 'credible news' getting a pass from the White House. It looks like it's being implemented early before it's been passed. Many people still think it's unreasonable to suggest the US would restrict content critical of its behaviour but we already have examples. China has it's own firewall, Iran restricts social media, Turkey took stuff down in the protests and the list goes on, including how hard drives were destroyed at the Guardian or how journalists homes in the US were raised to confiscate documents.

It's already happening and it's been happening for a while. Desperate times call for desperate measures and as you see the awareness spread about how politics is a lie, you'll see that the clamp down will get much more intense. Watch and keep your eyes open, you've seen it and you will continue to see it get worse.

They learned all the wrong lessons from Rev4.

I left there, and I'll do it again. So will plenty of others.

Reddit has been compromised, that much is apparent.

Feel free to repost these links to /r/altnewz-we're trying to get a subreddit going separate from the default subreddits & most importantly censorship.

I don't understand what you mean by compromised, as Reddit is owned by Conde Nast, and as such, is a controlled news source.

Compromised in the sense that only certain stories, articles, or information are "allowed". Compromised in the sense that there is paid disinformation. Compromised in the sense that mods may be manipulating certain content from being viewed. Compromised in the sense that the spirit of Reddit isn't being upheld.

Ok, now I see your view, but Reddit is a controlled news source, so by default compromise is inherent. So...... It's pretty much the same as any other MSM.

True enough. The great thing about Reddit is that every subreddit has its own subculture. They're not all compromised, but certainly the default subreddits which share a bunch of the same users as mods are.

You can already see how the narrative is being shaped on r/politics

Oh yes, and the other political/news related subreddits. I'd say the crackdown has been really apparent the past 6 months or so.

Do you have any evidence whatsoever of this "paid disinformation"? How would that work exactly? People are getting paid to write about GMOs under their reddit accounts?

Advanced Publications are who owns Reddit. Also parent company of Conde Nast. CN and reddit were separated a couple of years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advance_Publications

Reddit hasn't been "compromised", stop propagating your sensationalist views that are completely false. Fuck me.

Again this has nothing to do with 'right wing' 'left wing' this purely an authoritarian takeover of all the subs and an attempt to push out any anti-establishment voices from the 'left' or 'right', period.

It is really easy to see now in /r/politics

/r/politic is an not censored alternative. You might give it a try and see if you like it.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/AtB93WgCMAAi4Cy.jpg

Yup. GMO's and Monsanto business policies are perhaps the most heavily shilled topics on Reddit, along with fracking. In case you guys don't know, the sub /r/GMOmyths is a voting brigade sub through which many GMO shill accounts organize. /u/JF_Queeny, /u/firemylasers, and /u/scuderia along with many other accounts organize their thread voting/spamming from this sub. There was previously a list of 20 or so usernames associated with the sub floating around Reddit but the admins started threatening anyone who posted it with permanent site wide bans.

Unrelated to your post I was going through /u/JF_Queeny comments and came to the same conclusion. RES tagging FTW!

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And /r/videos. I remember one day about a month or two ago when a dozens of police misconduct videos got front pages in one day, many with 3000+ net up votes and thousands of comments on each. Then suddenly, within an hour 95% of the posts were disappeared and then all these videos showing how nice and great police can be took their place. It was so blatant and ridiculous it still pisses me off now just thinking about it.

The sites filled with highly gullible children in the last year and a half.

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I am still waiting for my question to be answered in that thread.

Why can't I have a label telling me exactly what is in my food?

Because you might want not to buy the product if you have that information. Corporations don't give a shit about the customers, it's all about the profits. At this very moment there is a Labeling Vote in Washington. PROPOGANDA TIME! All puppets assume combat positions!

If it doesn't explicitly say it has no GMO, assume it does. Simple. The labelling is already there. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, this is such a non-issue.

It would be also nice to know what ingredient is GMO and what kind.

Wholefoods gives full details of all the ingredients on the food they sell.

Props to the people that tried to take on the bullshit. That thread was ridiculous.

I had a feeling like there were 6-7 talking points that were repeated over and over (and they were obviously wrong). I was considering making an infographic explaining the difference between GMO and conventional breeding techniques.

http://www.reddit.com/r/GMOinfo

looks like cognitive infiltration to me

Pay attention to the three stages :

http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2013/10/29/what-i-told-the-voice-of-russia-radio-network-about-impending-us-martial-law/

I'm pretty sure there haven't been enough long term studies to truly undetstand the effects of GMO's and whether or not they safe at this time. Seriously, source checking and research method course need to be a staple in education now a days as you can't trust anything you see without fact checking it.

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When you say shill comments, do you actually believe that they are written by people who get paid to post false information?

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Seriously? Automated counter arguments? Just look at some of the top posts on the GMO topics in the major subreddits. The people arguing against labeling often respond directly in debates. Your accusations are completely unfounded.

after /r/politics' manufactured descent into the rightwing arena

Dafuq you talkin' bout, Willis.

First, I am what Willis was talking about.

Second, the memetic idea that /r/politics is being slanted rightward is baseless. What has happened is a major amount of publications with an anti-establishment narrative were banned.

If the sub was being skewed right ward then why was National Review, theblaze and reason taken off?

That's what I'm saying. /r/politics has been nothing but left-biased, both in sub base and in moderation. If I recall correctly, didn't they try to censor the initial PRISM discussion until it was too big to cover up?

there's nothing wrong with GMO's they have saved millions of lives but there is something wrong when one company has a monopoly on the industry and tries to patent plants.

Did you know that in Victorian times, the colour green was really fashionable. It was everywhere, from wall papers to carpets, until they found out that it contained lead that killed quite a few people. However before that, it was deemed safe. Same with Heroin in children's medicine and real coke in coca cola, formaldehyde in shampoos, cigarettes for sore throats, x-rays for fun etc. All safe as houses before they found out they actually weren't. See where I'm coming from?

you must be really stupid to not understand GMO's. that's why im against labeling them people are too stupid to understand what GMO means and how its done so they freak out and say they are monster plants and will irradiate your whole family.

Most GMOs are safe, fyi.

Most GMOs are safe, fyi.

Most???

Possibly relevant.

Good.For.You

most shills are transparent, fyi

yeah i don't support this argument because the same EXACT one has been used to keep drugs illegal and fuel the drug war around the world for many decades now.

nice try though.

edit: also for a conspiracy board, don't we all agree we will end up eating totally GMO food anyways? this is why we should push for detailed information about them added to health and nutritional labels and NOT get subverted into thinking we "solved the problem" by putting a big fucking sticker on the box of them that says "GMO" (you know, that sticker we know just won't happen to apply to monsantos products....)

All ingredients 100% Monsanto GMO, guaranteed!