I think (and hope) that their frustrations are on the country and government of Israel. Not on the Jewish people or religion.

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"Correct" terms? Just listen to yourself!

What he means is that it's important to be precise with language. Not politically correct, but semantically correct. It's important to use terms which acknowledge the difference between the zionist movement and everyday jews who have no influence.

4too does not make this distinction, however.

I would say religion should have a lot of the blame though. If one believes their god is better or they are the chosen people, to take dominion over plants, animals, land, etc... There's something very fucked up about that. It is antithetical to the idea of equality.

They support an unsupportable solution. They are part of the problem. Not the entire problem.

When is the next head of the 'federal' reserve mexican, chinese, swedish, fillipino, austrian, serbian etc....?

All 14 current and former Chairs of the Federal Reserve Board, as well as Obama's nominee for the next Chair have been Americans.

Israel is the problem, not all Jews, correct.

No, thank YOU, JIDF

Good goiym, teach the masses

Muh sheckles!

The only people who blame jews are shills, trolls, and disinfo agents. Any genuine member of /r/conspiracy knows the difference between zionism and judaism.

You keep seeing posts from the above people and blaming it on us.

I hate pointing out fallacies because it's really douchie so I apologize for my impending douchiness but isn't this is the definition of the "No True Scottsman" fallacy?

If you disagree with anyone in this sub, be prepared to be called a shill.

Any true conspiracy enthusiast is marked by their belief of [xyz]

Edit: and as you proved, pointing out fallacies needn't be douchie.

Oh because jewish people publicly admit in statements that they are genocidal? Right..."We are gods, they are sheep" blah blah blah. Don't get me twisted they normal non psychotic jew is not a problem. The genecidal zionists ARE a problem and a big one.

Deaf ears, this post will fall upon. But good luck OP, you've just emerged from a pool of blood and submerged yourself in a full shark-tank. Let the bitching/backlash commence.

It's not deaf ears at all. We've just seen this same ploy, to deflect criticism of the Jews by minimizing the target, used too many times here. It's getting old.

I understand dissent, no one wants to bear the whip stripes of an oppressor. But in this sub, there are usually three types of posts: 1. Some horrible evil that the Zionists are behind, 2. Some new gaspy scandal that the Jews are perpetrating, or 3. Why the evil of the planet is Israel (or any combination of those). That much hate and finger pointing never used to make its way into this sub. Now I have to spend 20 minutes with the 'hide' button to get to anything of substance.

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It's an important point to address

'It's' being?

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OK. Fair enough. But when one looks around this sub, both terms are tossed about way to liberally. It's really rather old, as evidenced by someone needing to make a post about it. Trust me, attention is called to it way too much. That's the OP's point.

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Maybe a distinction could be made, true, but my perception is that both are overdone.

I agree with you. There seems to be far too many of the same type of post here for sure.

No, the problem is not the Zionists, it is the Jews. The Zionists are all free to go Israel so they are not the problem. The problem is the Jews in this country that continue to fuck it up.

The problem is when a person considers themselves one of god's chosen people. That will give them justification to pretty much be the shittiest person they can be because they are not accountable for any of it. A lot of Jewish people could give two shits--it's just cultural. There are even atheist, etc., Jews. There is, however, a group--those that are a. Jewish b. zealous and c. zionist--that will do and support the most heinous things because of the pedestal they put themselves on and the importance they attribute to themselves. These are the people that are the problem. Oh, and add wealthy to that list and you're in the next dimension of shitty.

Israel is not Judaism.

If you are talking about about Israel and Zionism, you're talking about geopolitical politics and history. If you are talking about "Jews" you are delving into antisemitism. Go to /r/whiterights.

"Anti-semitic, its a trick we always use it".

implying this implicates all Jews and not just the zionists who cry wolf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2ItQo9CbnE

It implicates everyone, not just Jews, that uses the term "anti-Semite" at the drop of a hat to attempt to discredit any criticism of Israel, Judaism, Zionism, international bankers, etc.

Was unaware that Shulamit Aloni speaks for everybody.

Well of course not. She obviously can't speak for those that refuse to admit it.

So clever.

I was unaware that a few people in this sub speak for everyone, it works both ways. When people say Jews, they expand further and seem to think all of them are a problem. It's the same when people say Muslims. Some people think that every single Muslim is a suicide bomber when it's quite clear that's not the case.

Have people seen the Jews against Zionism organisations? Not every person who is a Jew is involved in a conspiracy. Zionists are extremists and will go to the same lengths as Muslim extremists to fulfil their twisted ideologies, they just do it differently. One straps a bomb to themselves and blows people up, the other infiltrates policy and let's others do the dirty work. It's clear that Israel has a huge influence on US foreign policy, you don't need to be a conspiracy theorists to see that and to verify it.

Because of the old anti-Semitic accusations, the real verified influence gets brushed to the side and called anti-Semitic. The people who claim 'it's the Jews' are not helping one bit by making yourselves and the rest of us appear to be anti-Semitic.

So if if is 'the Jews' I'm going to have to see evidence that all Jews hold the same beliefs or do you think that it's possibly a group of people who have a twisted view on the world see fit to make it how they want it, no matter what's in the way of that?

You can't tar everyone with the same brush because it makes you look like an idiot. And the way anti-Semitism is abused by some people only makes it easier for them to cry foul and bury the evidence. I'm also suspicious of people on this sub who relentlessly post about it being 'the Jews' because it damages credibility. Being able to pull the race card on less than savvy people still works and it's an old trick.

Not every person who is a Jew is involved in a conspiracy. Zionists are extremists and will go to the same lengths as Muslim extremists to fulfil their twisted ideologies, they just do it differently.

Well, not all Zionists are extremists either. Zionism is just the belief that there should be a Jewish homeland. It doesn't necessarily mean support for the current state of Israel and the way it does things.

You can still be a "Zionist" and believe that the current state of Israel should be transformed into a "co-homeland" for Jews and Palestinians, including the Palestinians and their descendants who were displaced/expelled in 1948, with equal rights for all, separation of church and state, and reparations/development to help remedy the effects of decades of what I call the "reservation state." This would be a form of the "one state solution."

Anyway, just a tangent. I agree with most of the rest of what you said.

Oh, not all Jews. I see. And not all Zionists, either. Some are good Zionists. And not all Israelis, because some are good Israelis. Well just who are we to criticize? The leadership of Israel? Oh, no, because not all leaders are bad, it's only some of the leaders.

People, can't you see that the Zionist shills are using the "slippery slope" argument to their advantage, by turning it around on itself? Can't you see that this is a ploy to dilute and deflect your criticism of Israel and of the crimes wealthy Jews are committing daily in the US? It's so fucking obvious.

Well just who are we to criticize?

Don't criticize people, criticize ideas. Take the time to learn things like the facts that not all Jews are Zionists, not all Israelis are Jews, and that because the Knesset has a proportional representation system, there is a huge diversity of political positions expressed in Israeli politics. There are entire far-right political parties in Israel that have actually been banned because they are racist and genocidal (Kach). Israel also has a far-left. There are Israelis that advocate a one-state solution based on equality. Does Ted Cruz speak for all Americans? Does Dennis Kucinich? Does George W. Bush? Does Jimmy Carter?

Lumping "Israel," "Israeli politics," "Jews," "Zionists" and everybody who you might label as a member or involved in any of those things all together is ignorance.

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There is a guy at my work that talks like this. He is a single, 50-something year old weirdo. Everybody just sort of smiles and slowly backs away when he goes off, because, you know, we have to work with him.

I'll take the 50 yr old weirdos opinion most of the time. Experience over being naive tools.

If he talks as I do, he's probably correct.

^ [smiles and backs away slowly]

okay dude really? jews themselves are the problem?

I'm as much of a Jew hater as the next internet user, but honestly I came to Reddit to get away from /pol/ and the rest of the boards it's infected on 4chan. Yes, some of the richest and most irresponsible people on the planet happen to be Jews, yes it is a problem, but PLEASE take your self righteous "social marxism" bullshit and needless, generalized hate back to the circlejerk you came from.

No, I think I'll stay right here. You don't get to tell me where to go, what to do, or what to say, except in the conceit of your own mind.

Right, so explain to me why the zionists murdered half a million Safartic Jewish children, by irradiating them to death with x-rays again. Because the problem is Jews, not zionists?

Sephardic != ASHKENAZI

Is that supposed to be an argument? OK, so Jews sometimes prey on other Jews. That does not mean that as a tribe they don't all prey on non-Jews. The entire structure of Jewish society is based on the assumption that Jews will manipulate and profit from non-Jews by any means necessary, including fraud and deceit. It's been that way since the Dark Ages. Can we say that Ashkenazi Jews are worse than Sephardic Jews? Yes, I'm willing to acknowledge that they are.

Sometimes? The bastard grandson of a Rothschild used to murder however many were actually killed in the death camps, the Rothschilds fund and create a "Jewish" nation and now they slaughter any actual Jewish blood lineage they can get their hands on, whether it's the 500,000 Safartic Jewish children, or the Palestinians every single day.

The Ashkenazi's aren't even "Jew" by blood, they are Khazarians who converted to Judaism in the 12th century; unless they've intermarried with Safartic Jews or certain Arab/Persian families. The Palestianians are more "Jew" by blood than the Ashkenazi as they all share blood lineage with Ishmael the half brother of Isaac the two children of Abraham.

When you look at the "Jews" who are trying to control and influence the planet over 95% of them, including the Rothschilds come from this poison lineage. The Bible even refers to them in revelation as the "Synagogue of Satan"

Sup man I read about the Ashkenazi issue, and I also read that the original Jewish people of Israel were dark skinned/black Asiatic Semitic Hebrews. I believe they are related to the modern Ethiopians. I was wondering if you can post or message some source articles (Wiki or otherwise)

The Ashkenazic and Sephardic Jews used to be one European community. Sephardic Jews are descended of the Jews that were exiled from Spain and Portugal in the 1490s. Sephardic Jews don't have any closer genetic relationship to the Israelites of the bible than the Ashkenazi. Yes, there have been communities of Jews that did live in the Middle East and Israel continuously since antiquity, and yes, they are also deemed to be "Sephardic" but they are very small in number. Most Sephardic Jew are descended from the European exiles of the Iberian peninsula.

The Ethiopian Jews on the other hand may have diverged longer ago than that. Geneticists and historians are still trying to figure it out. They were definitely there in the 9th century. If they are converts as some think, the conversion happene very long ago and there must have been a lot of intermarriage because they have definite genetic links. The fact that they consider different books to be canonical implies that they split before the Septuagint translation and before the Masoretic corrections.

Upvoted! I believe that there is a direct bloodline ancestry between modern Ethiopian black Jewish people and the Asiatic Semitic Black Hebrews. However, I know I read something about the Zionist movement being a political move and that many "Ashkenazi Jewish" people were not related but adopted the title as part of a Zionist political power move.

Edit: I forgot to add that modern Israeli apartheid/racism against Israeli resident Jews of black/Ethiopian descent reflects that Israel is political, not an actual religious home for all Jewish people.

i think you're talking about the 'khazar conspiracy.' I don't think there's much to it. I don't know if you thought I was writing something supporting that because my post was confusing. I'm on a tablet so I am leaving it at that but if you want me to give my thoughts on the khazar conspiracy theory in detail either respond here or shoot me a private message. In college I took one whole class on Jewish history before 1948 and then another whole class on Zionism, plus a whole class on Jewish literature (other than fiction or the bible.) Plus four semesters of biblical Hebrew from a secular/critical perspective. So I have a pretty decent base.

Upvoted again! I found this site which has a lot of sources listed on the very first page: http://www.iamthewitness.com/doc/Ashkenazis.are.not.the.descendants.of.the.Ancient.Israelites.htm

I haven't read the whole thing yet though

People have asked for that before, I've pieced my knowledge together from many different sources including several books.

That's cool man thanks for writing that stuff, I have to ask because it seems to me there is very little information out there about it, I have a hard time finding it. Thanks again man

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I read about the Ashkenazi issue, that is a fact.

This is the really scary part. They (luciferians) want to finish what they started. Two birds (children of Isaac & Ishmael) with one proverbial stone.

Holy shit you are actually insane.

The Palestianians are more "Jew" by blood than the Ashkenazi as they all share blood lineage with Ishmael the half brother of Isaac the two children of Abraham.

/u/OWNtheNWO thinks the Bible is literal history? Not arguing, just surprised.

I don't know about the whole thing being literal history. But I do know most legend and mythology ends up having some roots in actual historical context. You have to remember the Jews are meticulous record keepers and so probably kept a written/oral ancestry log as detailed if not more than what's in the Bible.

You are right that Jews have been very literate for a long time. And a lot of Jewish writings end up surviving for a long time because disposal of documents containing the name of God is difficult. They end up stored in genizot like the Cairo Genizah

But at the same time, we know Jews engaged in a lot of revisionism and redaction in the middle ages with the TaNakh. There is a lot of evidence that some parts of the Masoretic text are "wrong" when you compare them to the Septuagint, the Targum of Onkelos and the Samaritan texts.

Even earlier than that, it is pretty obvious that the Torah was cobbled together from four distinct sources. Who did that, when did they do it, and why? It may have happened at the Great Assembly

My personal opinion is that Ezra was real and that he did it. He was not a high priest, but he was priest-scribe. My opinion is that what happened is that during the Babylonian exile, the four distinct traditions were first written down, partially based on an oral history, and partially based on interests of people in power, like the priest class. Then Ezra combined them when he returned to Jerusalem. Read Nehemiah 8. Ezra "reads the law" (law = Torah) and everybody acts like they've never heard it before. Particularly in 8:13 it seems like nobody has ever heard of the holiday of Sukkot before.

This is all very suspicious. The story of Ezra-Nehemiah is everybody returning from the exile, being punished for/purged of intermarriage, and acting like they've never heard the Torah before. There is no archaelogical evidence that the Jews ever lived in Egypt. There is no archaelogical evidence that there was a first temple (but of course the second temple was real.)

Even if you accept the literal narrative of the Books of Moses, God gave the entire Torah to Moses. That's when it was first written down according to the Bible. Now, if you believe "God gave" the Torah to Moses, then maybe the history before Moses is correct. But if that's not the case, then Moses made it up/wrote down oral history. Nobody, even Orthodox Jews, claim anything was written down in the time of Abraham and his sons.

Ancient peoples across the world made up historical fictions to explain the world around them and their neighbors. When it comes to the non-supernatural parts of the Books of Moses, I do not give them much credence.

Good goiym, teach the masses

"Correct" terms? Just listen to yourself!