It's just like real life - ever hear a schizo talk to themselves? People couldn't care less. However, when you start making points that make sense and connecting dots that are in plain view but no one wants to acknowledge that is when people start to address you directly and attack your character, sanity, etc.
There's a video I saw of a guy confronting a small anti-abortion crowd outside of a clinic.
The crowd wasn't encroaching on anyones personal space, they weren't shouting offencive words or displaying disgusting images. Yet the cameraman confronted them.
He confronted them not simply because he believed their ideas to be false, but also because they were dangerous. Does him confronting them mean their ideas make sense, are correct or are true? I wouldn't think so.
Likewise, vaccination is often a topic of contention here. The pro-vaccination crowd doesn't voice themselves because they think the anti-vaccination crowd is making sense and connecting dots, they voice themselves because they think anti-vaccination is false and dangerous.
Attempting to prevent the spreading of misinformation doesn't mean you believe the misinformation to be true.
"Attempting to prevent the spreading of misinformation doesn't mean you believe the misinformation to be true."
Sure, not necessarily, but there is an inherent granting of legitimacy any time you address a point/issue made by someone else. As I said, no one argues with schizophrenic people. Sometimes, that legitimacy being granted is warranted, and other times (like many "panelists" on the 24-hour news networks, it is just a sideshow, distraction, etc.)
People laughing at schizophrenics are assholes. They're mentally ill.
Someone confronting anti-abortion protesters is an asshole. They have a right to have/voice their opinion as long as they are not being violent.
but there is an inherent granting of legitimacy any time you address a point/issue made by someone else
Which is why Richard Dawkins refuses to debate with Young Earth Creationists - Doesn't mean he believes there to be any validity to their claims.
People laughing at schizophrenics are assholes. They're mentally ill
Right. Laughing at the mentally ill is an act you would frown upon. But what about laughing at the sane, whom hold 'insane' beliefs? For example, those that believe in ghosts, UFO's, psychics etc.
Someone confronting anti-abortion protesters is an asshole.
Why?
If someone has the right to protest in public, others surely have the right to confront them in public. Right?
Sure, you have the right to confront whomever you want, but I would say that someone that doesn't realize that confronting an anti-abortion protester is a waste of time, might be an asshole themselves. OR, if they do recognize that it is a waste of time, but still do it anyway to feed their own ego, then they are also an asshole.
It doesn't mean that the anti-abortion people aren't assholes too. I feel that many of them are, personally. A lot of this world seems to be people being assholes to each other because someone else is an asshole - I think that behavior is unproductive.
I don't know many mature, intelligent adults that would laugh at a person suffering schizophrenia. That kind of behavior is indicative of an immature, empty, insecure person.
People don't laugh at schizos; Assholes and 7th graders laugh at schizos. To which group do you belong?
I don't know many mature, intelligent adults that would laugh at a person suffering schizophrenia.
Then you do not know a representative sample of the population, which isn't particularly remarkable.
People don't laugh at schizos
You live in denial if you don't think adults laugh at shizos.
To which group do you belong?
I've never witnessed a random schizophrenic debating with themselves. However I do know someone diagnosed with schizophrenia and their behaviour that i've seen isn't what you've described, nor have I found their behaviour humorous.
The pro-vaccination crowd doesn't voice themselves? What/where are you living/reading? Anyone so much as voices the concern that 27 vaccines before 15 months is excessive and more research is required (http://www2.aap.org/immunization/izschedule.html), and the harpies descend screaming about how you're an anti-science baby murderer whose children deserve to die. It's crazytown.
So here's the thing - intelligent pro-vaccine shrills actually don't sincerely believe their own propaganda - that all vaccines are perfect and wonderful candy saving us all from peril and that pharmaceutical companies are benevolent deities who can't do anything wrong. Eat the cake, Annie Mae.
They actually just believe that most people are idiots who don't understand nuance and that when it comes to the medical world, it's all or nothing, anti- or pro- and if they concede that we do need work harder, everyone will stop accepting vaccines altogether (which is asinine, but what can you do).They're anti-nuance and grey and subtlety. And by spewing this stuff they don't even wholly believe, they are actively setting human health backwards by insisting that nothing be discussed nor researched (not to mention the doctors who reject patients who ask even to stagger the vaccines a bit off the guidelines). There is ABSOLUTELY a middle ground between no vaccines at all and 27 shots before the age of 15 months.
I have never met a single person in real life that doesn't understand that and can't speak to that, but they are often afraid to voice common sense because of the attacks they get on social media by the "you're killing my baby by not getting your Gardisiltm !" propaganda. I actually don't know any real 100% anti-all-vaccines people. I do know people that think it's gotten out of hand and are suspicious of the propaganda, though.
So, yeah, the other commenter's point still stands - the pro-vaccine zealots would not fight quite so hard and so dirty to squelch discussion and debate if they thought those who question all vaccines efficacy and safety didn't have a few good points.
My edits were BEFORE you made you comment. Nice try baby.
intelligent pro-vaccine shrills actually don't sincerely believe their own propaganda
How do you know this?
They actually just believe that most people are idiots who don't understand nuance
No.
I have never met a single person in real life that doesn't understand that and can't speak to that
You might consider seeing a therapist for confessions on your social life, I don't recommend Reddit as an appropriate outlet for your social issues.
the pro-vaccine zealots would not fight quite so hard and so dirty to squelch discussion and debate if they thought those who question all vaccines efficacy and safety didn't have a few good points.
No. If you were to claim that hygiene didn't matter in regards to personal health, you would receive staunch opposition - Because you're being an idiot by spreading misinformation. It's not because you've got some amazing truth that people are having difficulty swallowing. That's all there is so it.
Resorting to fact-free angry personal insults during a debate is not a hallmark of one secure and confident in his or her views. Readers discern this, even if they don't comment on it openly. You may want to think about the efficacy of your debating style.
"Knowing where the trap is - that's the first step in evading it. This is like single combat, Son, only on a larger scale - a feint within a feint within a feint... seemingly without end."
Who said anything about ignoring? All I said was to not worry. Just vote, comment, and reply as needed. That is all we can do. If you want to do more, then you take it upon yourself to fight the vote brigade.
Besides, if you are this passionate about vote manipulation, where were you when Bush won in 2000?
Go to your user page when you aren't logged in - if it says "user not found", you're shadowbanned. There's also a blogspot "check" you can go to, just search for it on whatever search engine you use.
Also, for the record - you aren't shadowbanned as I can see your post.
I don't know if /r/ProtectandServe is brigading - there are some wise comments from officers in there mixed in with only a small number of jackbooty ones...honestly, the thread actually brought my spirits up. Some good discussion there. The other subs, well...kind of what you'd expect from statist babies that don't respect the rule of law and just want to discredit /r/conspiracy, for the most part, but still, there's still some good discussion going on if you dig in a bit and skim over the shrill.
The big issue here is that the crossposted links and comments therein basically accuse most of /r/conspiracy of condoning violence towards officers, which is a lie meant to discredit the sub in general. I didn't see anything in the thread itself that matched the titles (and some really good discussion throughout) while reading it for like 20 minutes - I had to access the redditlog link from SRD, I think, to even locate wtf they were talking about.
It's creepy, watching this campaign to discredit and silence this subreddit. We should always be watching /new, but I think it's even more important right now.
I don't know if /r/ProtectandServe is brigading - there are some wise comments from officers in there mixed in with only a small number of jackbooty ones...honestly, the thread actually brought my spirits up. Some good discussion there
I don't know if /r/ProtectandServe is brigading - there are some wise comments from officers in there mixed in with only a small number of jackbooty ones...honestly, the thread actually brought my spirits up. Some good discussion there
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13 HS_00 2014-04-29
Can you think of any other sub that is targeted by other subs on reddit? Conspiracy must be doing something correctly.
2 magical_liopleurodon 2014-04-29
/r/libertarian
0 Rockran 2014-04-29
What makes you think something's being done correctly by being targeted?
5 PopeSuckMyDick 2014-04-29
It's just like real life - ever hear a schizo talk to themselves? People couldn't care less. However, when you start making points that make sense and connecting dots that are in plain view but no one wants to acknowledge that is when people start to address you directly and attack your character, sanity, etc.
2 HS_00 2014-04-29
Exactly. The only thing that they care enough to suppress is the truth.
0 Rockran 2014-04-29
There's a video I saw of a guy confronting a small anti-abortion crowd outside of a clinic.
The crowd wasn't encroaching on anyones personal space, they weren't shouting offencive words or displaying disgusting images. Yet the cameraman confronted them.
He confronted them not simply because he believed their ideas to be false, but also because they were dangerous. Does him confronting them mean their ideas make sense, are correct or are true? I wouldn't think so.
Likewise, vaccination is often a topic of contention here. The pro-vaccination crowd doesn't voice themselves because they think the anti-vaccination crowd is making sense and connecting dots, they voice themselves because they think anti-vaccination is false and dangerous.
Attempting to prevent the spreading of misinformation doesn't mean you believe the misinformation to be true.
Also, people laugh at schizos.
2 PopeSuckMyDick 2014-04-29
"Attempting to prevent the spreading of misinformation doesn't mean you believe the misinformation to be true."
Sure, not necessarily, but there is an inherent granting of legitimacy any time you address a point/issue made by someone else. As I said, no one argues with schizophrenic people. Sometimes, that legitimacy being granted is warranted, and other times (like many "panelists" on the 24-hour news networks, it is just a sideshow, distraction, etc.)
People laughing at schizophrenics are assholes. They're mentally ill. Someone confronting anti-abortion protesters is an asshole. They have a right to have/voice their opinion as long as they are not being violent.
0 Rockran 2014-04-29
Which is why Richard Dawkins refuses to debate with Young Earth Creationists - Doesn't mean he believes there to be any validity to their claims.
Right. Laughing at the mentally ill is an act you would frown upon. But what about laughing at the sane, whom hold 'insane' beliefs? For example, those that believe in ghosts, UFO's, psychics etc.
Why?
If someone has the right to protest in public, others surely have the right to confront them in public. Right?
2 PopeSuckMyDick 2014-04-29
Sure, you have the right to confront whomever you want, but I would say that someone that doesn't realize that confronting an anti-abortion protester is a waste of time, might be an asshole themselves. OR, if they do recognize that it is a waste of time, but still do it anyway to feed their own ego, then they are also an asshole.
It doesn't mean that the anti-abortion people aren't assholes too. I feel that many of them are, personally. A lot of this world seems to be people being assholes to each other because someone else is an asshole - I think that behavior is unproductive.
2 [deleted] 2014-04-29
I don't know many mature, intelligent adults that would laugh at a person suffering schizophrenia. That kind of behavior is indicative of an immature, empty, insecure person.
People don't laugh at schizos; Assholes and 7th graders laugh at schizos. To which group do you belong?
0 Rockran 2014-04-29
Then you do not know a representative sample of the population, which isn't particularly remarkable.
You live in denial if you don't think adults laugh at shizos.
I've never witnessed a random schizophrenic debating with themselves. However I do know someone diagnosed with schizophrenia and their behaviour that i've seen isn't what you've described, nor have I found their behaviour humorous.
0 dejenerate 2014-04-29
The pro-vaccination crowd doesn't voice themselves? What/where are you living/reading? Anyone so much as voices the concern that 27 vaccines before 15 months is excessive and more research is required (http://www2.aap.org/immunization/izschedule.html), and the harpies descend screaming about how you're an anti-science baby murderer whose children deserve to die. It's crazytown.
0 Rockran 2014-04-29
You're misread what I said. Re-read it and let me know if you're still having difficulty understanding so I can help you out.
0 dejenerate 2014-04-29
Now that you've edited it, sure. :)
So here's the thing - intelligent pro-vaccine shrills actually don't sincerely believe their own propaganda - that all vaccines are perfect and wonderful candy saving us all from peril and that pharmaceutical companies are benevolent deities who can't do anything wrong. Eat the cake, Annie Mae.
They actually just believe that most people are idiots who don't understand nuance and that when it comes to the medical world, it's all or nothing, anti- or pro- and if they concede that we do need work harder, everyone will stop accepting vaccines altogether (which is asinine, but what can you do).They're anti-nuance and grey and subtlety. And by spewing this stuff they don't even wholly believe, they are actively setting human health backwards by insisting that nothing be discussed nor researched (not to mention the doctors who reject patients who ask even to stagger the vaccines a bit off the guidelines). There is ABSOLUTELY a middle ground between no vaccines at all and 27 shots before the age of 15 months.
I have never met a single person in real life that doesn't understand that and can't speak to that, but they are often afraid to voice common sense because of the attacks they get on social media by the "you're killing my baby by not getting your Gardisiltm !" propaganda. I actually don't know any real 100% anti-all-vaccines people. I do know people that think it's gotten out of hand and are suspicious of the propaganda, though.
So, yeah, the other commenter's point still stands - the pro-vaccine zealots would not fight quite so hard and so dirty to squelch discussion and debate if they thought those who question all vaccines efficacy and safety didn't have a few good points.
-1 Rockran 2014-04-29
My edits were BEFORE you made you comment. Nice try baby.
How do you know this?
No.
You might consider seeing a therapist for confessions on your social life, I don't recommend Reddit as an appropriate outlet for your social issues.
No. If you were to claim that hygiene didn't matter in regards to personal health, you would receive staunch opposition - Because you're being an idiot by spreading misinformation. It's not because you've got some amazing truth that people are having difficulty swallowing. That's all there is so it.
0 dejenerate 2014-04-29
Resorting to fact-free angry personal insults during a debate is not a hallmark of one secure and confident in his or her views. Readers discern this, even if they don't comment on it openly. You may want to think about the efficacy of your debating style.
0 Rockran 2014-04-29
That's nice, how about you address my points? Starting with admitting you made a false claim about my edits.
1 99red 2014-04-29
^ Very dedicated troll
0 Rockran 2014-04-29
Where's the trolling? dejenerate made a false claim.
7 streetyouth 2014-04-29
The mods have this problem 24/7, it's not easy
5 obnoxious_commenter 2014-04-29
Since you posted this, as of 19 mins ago, that thread has increased in upvotes and now has a higher score than when you posted this.
Dont worry
4 [deleted] 2014-04-29
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2 obnoxious_commenter 2014-04-29
"Knowing where the trap is - that's the first step in evading it. This is like single combat, Son, only on a larger scale - a feint within a feint within a feint... seemingly without end."
Who said anything about ignoring? All I said was to not worry. Just vote, comment, and reply as needed. That is all we can do. If you want to do more, then you take it upon yourself to fight the vote brigade.
Besides, if you are this passionate about vote manipulation, where were you when Bush won in 2000?
1 [deleted] 2014-04-29
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1 obnoxious_commenter 2014-04-29
Damn. Was hoping u would answer my question.
2 SaxonWitch 2014-04-29
Yet their mods are as quick as lightning to shadowban anyone from /r/conspiracy.
2 trinsic-paridiom 2014-04-29
how do you know you are shadow banned?
1 Ambiguously_Ironic 2014-04-29
Go to your user page when you aren't logged in - if it says "user not found", you're shadowbanned. There's also a blogspot "check" you can go to, just search for it on whatever search engine you use.
Also, for the record - you aren't shadowbanned as I can see your post.
2 kattoo_new 2014-04-29
Can they shadowban us for vote-brigading on our own subreddit? Would that be Catch-22?
2 obnoxious_commenter 2014-04-29
I am sure anyone could be shadowbanned for whatever reason someone deems neccessary.
It is not a catch 22.
5 dejenerate 2014-04-29
I don't know if /r/ProtectandServe is brigading - there are some wise comments from officers in there mixed in with only a small number of jackbooty ones...honestly, the thread actually brought my spirits up. Some good discussion there. The other subs, well...kind of what you'd expect from statist babies that don't respect the rule of law and just want to discredit /r/conspiracy, for the most part, but still, there's still some good discussion going on if you dig in a bit and skim over the shrill.
The big issue here is that the crossposted links and comments therein basically accuse most of /r/conspiracy of condoning violence towards officers, which is a lie meant to discredit the sub in general. I didn't see anything in the thread itself that matched the titles (and some really good discussion throughout) while reading it for like 20 minutes - I had to access the redditlog link from SRD, I think, to even locate wtf they were talking about.
It's creepy, watching this campaign to discredit and silence this subreddit. We should always be watching /new, but I think it's even more important right now.
2 FreudsHedgehog 2014-04-29
Yeah it's definitely worth reading.
3 danxmason 2014-04-29
I've been calling for more lenient banning policy for years.
1 drinkinouttacups1 2014-04-29
How can we make this happen?
2 JUSTIN_HERGINA 2014-04-29
Get rid of the bots then watch how infrequent the brigades occur
1 99red 2014-04-29
It's the crossposting to the brigade subs that's the issue
2 JUSTIN_HERGINA 2014-04-29
Yes but the bots advertise the cross post conversation. It's a part of it.
1 uberduger 2014-04-29
To be fair, a lot of those comments devolved into a circlejerk of 'fuck the police', rather than a genuine discussion of the article or topic.
I'm not surprised a lot of it is being downvoted.
2 FreudsHedgehog 2014-04-29
Yeah it's definitely worth reading.