Here is what you are proposing.

1. "The West" disappears a Malaysian airlines plane allegedly full of people creating an international media event.
2. The take that same plane and use it as a prop to fake a "shoot down" by the Russians.
3. Malaysian airlines is in on the ruse because they themselves are claiming to have lost a plane over Ukraine.

So if the Malaysians are on board and "pretending" that the shot down plane is theirs...why did we need to disappear the first plane? Why is the dummy needed?

Who says the Malaysians are in on it? They dont need to know whats going on.

It is just funny the way this situation is turning out. MH370 disappears, some evidence that MH370 is in Tel Aviv. Many people also said that it landed at Diego Garcia (U.S. military base in the Indian ocean)

This event happened in the middle of a major military offensive between Russia and the Ukraine. The plane story took the conflict out of the news pretty effectively.

Now Israel and Gaza and duking it out and a flight from the same airlines and the same plane model is shot down over Ukraine. This happens when the Israel/Hammas cease fire breaks, effectively takes it out of the news.

Its just fishey to me.

Who says the Malaysians are in on it? They dont need to know whats going on.

The Malaysians have to be in on it. They know all the planes of theirs that are in the air. If a dummy plane is used then they'll obviously think "hey that's not one of ours, they are all accounted for" - then they either play dumb (are complicit) or state that it isn't them - which casts doubt on the operation.

The alternative is that the Malaysians are fully in on it and have concocted a fake flight (with the dummy plane) which was subsequently crashed. Of course that raises new problems because people at the port of departure will wonder where that plane was (or why it was empty).

At the end of the day use of a dummy plane makes basically 0 sense (especially if you consider that they have already dispatched of one plane load of passengers).

Its just fishey to me.

Sure, but the story being presented doesn't just defy evidence - it defies logic. The people running this operation would have to be morons to have gone this route because its vastly more complicated with 0 benefit.

Don't forget that Israel has just started a gound invasion of Gaza.

That in NO WAY negates what he said. You're just trying to misdirect the conversation. Check yourself.

Hamas broke the cease fire, that's what caused the ground war.

I'm not pointing out blame, just saying it's rather convenient that they attack while we are distracted. Could be they just took advantage of an opportunity.

1. A military invasion takes some kind of planning ahead. They didn't say "A plane was shot down, fast everyone attack gaza now!"

2. The attack was also announced earlier.

3. The "World" can watch multiple incidences at the same time.

4. The Gaza conflict is going on for ages. Literally everyone that reads news every now and then knows about it.

Look at the front page, nobody is "distracted".

I'm not talking about you fine folk who actually follow the news. I'm talking about the masses who get their news from Facebook.

The Malaysians were pretty incompetent in both cases, you have to admit.

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

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Yes but EVERYONE knows that Israel is laying down ground troops. It's the second highest billed news story on all the British msm that I've watched this evening (BBC, C4), in terms of airtime both issues were given pretty equal coverage.

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I get almost all of my new from reddit

Oh my....

Where else do you go?

Yeah, it's a fucking distraction from the decades-old conflict in Israel that everyone knows about and has seen before.

Fucking retard.

Nice attitude, great contribution.

Because your shit took so much effort, right? I mean, fuck, you practically had to engage a thought pattern there for a second. Tedious, I know.

Fuck off.

I don't know if the term for what is going on in Gaza w Israel is "duking it out." That implies a fight between near equals. Perhaps David vs. Goliath is a better analogy, one of the world's most powerful militaries killing kids throwing rocks. Or maybe this pic gets across the idea

Malaysian Airlines are claiming they have lost two planes this year (MH370, MH17). In your scenario they have only lost one, twice.

Either Malaysian Airlines are in on it or they really lost two.

Don't you get it? They stole MH17 and replaced it with MH370 for this event. Now they can do another one with MH17!

Edit: It's sarcasm

At some point we have to accept that one of these flights is fake and all passengers were unloaded and buried after being shot.

Why?

Because this subreddit is full of complete morons.

so it works just as planned.

Why would they do that? Steal a plane (pretty incredible thing to pull off), get rid of all the passengers, have a big media outlash about the disappearing plane, then fly it to netherlands, pose said plane as another plane, have people boarding it, have pilots willing to sacrifice themselfs, make sure it's direction is over ukraine, then shoot it down..... Why would they do that? When they could just shoot down any commercial airplane.

This subreddit....

you shoot down the empty one

So where are the civillians of the missing flight? And where are the civillians that were on the flight that got shot down ealier? Or are you saying that all the relatives and friends of the missing and dead people are in on it?

Do you conspiracy theorists even think before making a connection between the two flights? It's sad really. "Oh there is something remotely connected, i'm going to make a post about it!"

Whats wrong with posting things that are remotely connected? Yeah maybe it is nothing, but maybe it's something. What harm does it do by posting and sharing ideas or thoughts? If it bothers you then don't look at post in conspiracy threads. Not all conspiracies are true but sometimes they are, and if people don't discuss them then they will never be uncovered.

There is a difference between looking for connections and just spewing stuff out without making any thinking at all.

If it bothers you then don't look at post in conspiracy threads.

You are right, i shouldn't have visited this subreddit but it's too funny to read here. However, if i was a conspiracy theorist it would bother me even more that there are so many nutjobs coming up with the most insane "theories" because it makes the whole community look bad. It's like a few terrorists make muslims look bad or a few loud, angry and stupid feminists devalue the whole feminism movement.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with questioning something. In fact, you want things to be questioned. So the OP had a few theories in his head and it may have not been thought out thoroughly.

Its not a big fucking deal, calm the fuck down.

So the theory gets discussed, and more info comes from it, and can get backed up or dismissed. Why are you so bothered by it? And if it bothers you so, why even come in here???

Why are you so bothered by it?

Because you guys never get to the "or dismissed" part. You guys come up with an idea of what really happened, without doing any research. Then you start your research and dismiss any evidence that goes against your preconceived idea.

Nail on the head. It is always just asking questions, but never accepting the answers around here.

Dude, they are theories!!! Not matters of fact. That's what a lot of communities are for. To discuss topics, ideas, theories. Are you new to the internet?

Again, its important to have these discussions and be able to outright clear them, or have even more questions raised. As you well know, there have be theories that have been proven correct. If it bothers you so much that you have to troll a conspiracy theory, move on to somewhere else. I for one welcome opposing ideas and those with better and insightful information, but if you're going to do it the way you do it, its just antagonistic and trollish. There's no need to be an asshole about it.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with questioning something

Stupid questions lead way to stupid assumptions, which breeds more stupid people

Its important to ask the right questions, not spit out verbal diarrhea.

You're well aware of conspiracy theories that have later come true. You sound real butthurt about it. The guy had a THEORY and wanted to share it. Thats all. My gawd man, chill the fuck out.

It is possible to shoot down a real commercial airliner. You do not need to shoot down a fake one.

Well I guess you have the governments of the world all figured out. Time to move on. /s

The funny thing is that a MH370 duplicate was sighted in Israel, now Israel is invading Gaza? Coincidence? I THINK NOT!

Not trolling, it was a conspiracy theory when it was going on. Some guy tracked the tail number to an airport in Israel where it was being stored.

Proof plz

http://2012thebigpicture.wordpress.com/2014/03/27/why-do-the-israelis-have-a-777-identical-to-mh370-in-a-hangar-in-tel-aviv/

Like I said its a conspiracy theory but the plane spotters web site seems legit.

Wow

Remembered and I am not surprised.

We should play 6 degrees of Malaysian Airlines to see if they're connected to 911 tenants.

Get started.

more.

Take a drink every time you can connect Malaysian Airlines to Benghazi

Why wouldn't they change the malaysian airlines paintjob if it's the same plane? They must know that that would cause speculation that it's the same plane.

No, they are quite aware how stupid the general population is.

And they are right. Even mentioning a connection gets you downvoted instantly.

What if it the same plane? Different paint?

Do you have links for where it was claimed the plane would be used for disinformation? Not that this is out of the realm of possibility... just want citations

You want someone to cite prior conjecture?

It would be nice to see a "called it" reference. and, I assumed there was more substance to the claim beyond reddit dialogue. Given there are two citations in the op, I would have liked to see a citation for what "people said". Who are these people, when and where did they say it? I didn't really think it was too much to ask for, but apparently wanting to have validity to the claim is too much for r/conspiracy.

There was lots of conjecture, especially early on, that MHL370 had been hijacked to Diego Garcia or somewhere to be used in a future plot.

But it's irrelevant to this incidence since the plane shot down (or crashed) left Amsterdam and didn't just magically appear.

If someone hijacked a 777, they aren't going to blow it up in the air and crash it in a field, even if the result is stronger sanctions against Russia. It's much easier to just shoot a real one down, as likely happened.

Nice try CIA damage control specialist.

Can't wait for my huge CIA check!

You guys hiring?

I have, on several occasions, been asked to source my own opinions.

That is how it works here.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/07/09/pushing-ukraine-to-the-brink/

surely they would have changed it from a malaysian airlines to another? Lots being said about this but and it certainly sets off alarm bells , but already there is so many angles people are taking , hard to know

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America would not team up w/Ukraine and send troops or even the airforce. Of course they'll (the current people occupying the seats of power in government) will invest in the war and manipulate things however they can. Naturally people will die in war, which works perfectly as an ingrown distraction to the whole thing.

With allies like NK, you don't even need enemies!

http://www.intellihub.com/will-matching-malaysian-airlines-777-stored-israeli-hangar-later-used-false-flag-attack/

Check out number 8 of operation northwoods, a CIA false flag play book.

And if you still believe the "the program was discontinued or cancelled" lines, I've got a bridge to sell you.

1. It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner en route from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama, or Venezuela. The destination would be chosen only to cause the flight plan route to cross Cuba. The passengers could be a group of college students off on a holiday or any grouping of persons with a common interest to support chartering a non-scheduled flight. An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida. From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Eglin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will begin transmitting on the international distress frequency a "MAY DAY" message stating he is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by destruction of the aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow ICAO radio[14] stations in the Western Hemisphere to tell the United States what has happened to the aircraft instead of the United States trying to "sell" the incident.

Evil as fuck.

Exactly.

You know what's funny? I never, ever come to this subreddit but immediately said out loud that this could have been an elaborate distraction by Israel. I'm also not even anti Israel. I typically don't get into the whole conspiracy shuffle but this just might have done it for me. What the fuck is going on?

swee!!!t, I was just sayin to the ol' lady that we needed to get a new bridge.

you accept dogecoin?

Dude, i wouldn't buy a bridge on the internet.

I'm just disappointed in the lack of comments suggesting this is an occult ritual. I always find those to be the most entertaining theories. You know what they say, "as above, so below"...whatever that means.

Being as your link karma is currently 911 here's a submission you might enjoy, you've probably seen it already, but just in case.

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/14utv0/911_was_an_occult_megaritual_the_numbers_of_the_4/

If you can't see that there are tons of threads meant to poison the well, then I don't know what to tell ya.

The well is already well and truly f**ked.

right, its intentionally being fucked by fuckers talking about the reptilian beings controlling the world and the moon being made of cheese or whatever. But linking stupid shit to poison the well doesn't add to the discussion

I just thought he might appreciate it, I enjoyed it when I read it a few months ago. If it has watered down the discussion and somehow single handedly stopped the truth from coming out, then the whole world has my apologies and may I be reincarnated as a worm.

sorry, but like I said, linking threads by fuckheads clearly meant to poison the well and continue the drivel intentionally just doesn't add to the thread imo. But to each his own,...continue...it was just my 2 cents.

Now I am graced with your blessing I might just do that.

You want someone to cite prior conjecture?

Don't forget that Israel has just started a gound invasion of Gaza.

Nice try CIA damage control specialist.

Hamas broke the cease fire, that's what caused the ground war.

Being as your link karma is currently 911 here's a submission you might enjoy, you've probably seen it already, but just in case.

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/14utv0/911_was_an_occult_megaritual_the_numbers_of_the_4/

The Malaysians were pretty incompetent in both cases, you have to admit.

That in NO WAY negates what he said. You're just trying to misdirect the conversation. Check yourself.

No, they are quite aware how stupid the general population is.

And they are right. Even mentioning a connection gets you downvoted instantly.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with questioning something

Stupid questions lead way to stupid assumptions, which breeds more stupid people

Its important to ask the right questions, not spit out verbal diarrhea.

Why are you so bothered by it?

Because you guys never get to the "or dismissed" part. You guys come up with an idea of what really happened, without doing any research. Then you start your research and dismiss any evidence that goes against your preconceived idea.

I'm not talking about you fine folk who actually follow the news. I'm talking about the masses who get their news from Facebook.