Before I even consider answering you, I'd like to know your intentions. A quick perusal of your history shows that you have no interest in anything remotely conspiracy related.
Edit: I love conspiracy theories and I think there are small cernels of truth to some of them. If nothing else they are good to have as a frame of reference.
Some people in our government (parts of the fbi/cia/nsa, and dick cheney) knew about the attacks months in advance. They realized all the things that 9/11 could justify and decided to allow it to happen. Word spread among dick cheney and his friends, and that's why we see red flags in their handling of policy and money leading up to 9/11.
What I DON'T think happened (unlike the majority of this sub i expect), is that there was any controlled demolition. I've watched and read a ton of things from Architects & Engineers for 9/11 truth, but after reading some stuff on r/changemyview on WTC7, I don't think there was any controlled demolition.
tl;dr: gov't allowed it to happen. that's as good as an inside job to me.
They whole "planted explosives" theory is a distraction, and I suspect it was deliberately encouraged on the Internet by Israeli agents to direct attention away from the actual Mossad involvement in the planning and execution of the terrorism on 9-11. When we waste time talking about planted explosives (which only a moron could believe), we are not talking about Mossad planning and Saudi financing of the operation.
Ok so what kind of things could 9/11 "justify" and why were these important enough to risk the alternative, which is Americans finding out that you allowed the murder of thousands of civilians?
Invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan funded by Halliburton and the development of a global surveillance apparatus are the first two things that come to mind. One can argue that these things would have happened regardless of 9/11 (especially the NSA shit), but it would be a lot more difficult to "justify" these programs.
why were these important enough to risk the alternative, which is Americans finding out that you allowed the murder of thousands of civilians?
I don't think there's really much risk associated with allowing it to happen (the rewards, however, are enormous). It would be very difficult to PROVE that anyone had prior knowledge.
Not much risk associated with it? You mean other than ruining their political careers and committing a federal crime which carries with it jail time or worse?
Real quick:The US and Saudi Arabia have a "special" relationship. They agree to trade oil in the US dollar, we offer them protection. SA wants all of the countries that would be a threat to them done away with. Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Iran etc...Was plotted by US and SA, they needed an excuse to start invading and destabilizing these threatening countries, kid of like pearl harbor, (also a false flag) used a pretext for war with Japan. They needed a target, hooked up with Silverstien, who wanted to get rid of the WTC buildings due to problems with asbestos and stuff that would be too costly to fix. He insured the buildings for more than they cost to collect insurance money. Israel was also in on it because they are always being threatened by these same countries. Saudi highjackers were payed handsomely(or their families were) and there you have it.
Oh right Silverstein (not a Jewish name or anything) was in cahoots with the Saudis to destroy his own properties and kill thousands of innocent people in the process? Because, um, "problems with asbestos and stuff"?
exactly. He wanted to make his money back(and then some), by collecting insurance monies. The way it stood before the buildings came down, they would have to be taken down anyway to fix these issues, and it would have costs him too much money. Those towers were not well built at all. Plus, the US need some kind of "target", and the WTC towers seemed to fit the bill just fine. Do some research and come to your own conclusion like I did. Sorry, but I refuse to just stand by and let this corrupt government tell me what to believe. If you believe the official 9/11 story, well, then their plan is working to a T.
I am doing research. This is part of it. I'm all for conspiracy theories or anything else that deviates from whatever the "official" version of events is. But the conspiracy theories need to make sense. This one doesn't.
And building 7? not hit by plane. Never in history has a steel structure fallen from a fire. Sept 11 saw 3 in one day. Building designed to be hit by a plane no less.
Never in history has a 737 jet collided with a 110 story building. For that matter never in history has there been a building "designed to be hit by a plane." Not even the new WTC building comes with that description.
Ok but why haven't they invaded Syria and Iran yet, almost 13 years after the fact? If this was part of their master plan, you'd think they would have insisted on a more aggressive schedule?
For sake of comparison, FDR's declaration of war on japan came what, a day after Pearl Harbor?
Because those countries have value to Russia and China, and they will try and intervene on any such invasion on them. If you remember correctly, we tried destabilizing Syria last year, much to the protest of Russia and even China. That is where ISIS comes in. Now we have another "terror" target to go after, and guess where they are? Syria, and Iraq. Believe me, Syria/Iran will be the next and last chip to fall, before the US can claim checkmate in this sick game of chess.
Russia and China were part of the picture 13 years ago as well. You'd think that if they had gone to these lengths to plan this operation, they'd have anticipated China's and Russia's response? Or, better yet, why not just plan terrorism against China and Russia and have them get onboard?
I don't know if anyone knows, who hasn't read the 27 page document that is down in the 'vault' that the government won't release. After years of looking for myself though, I believe the AE911truth.org forensic evaluation. Why? Because our government has been lying to us to make the rich richer with war and oil.
High-ranking Saudi families decided to commit a major act of terrorism. They financed the operation. Mossad learned about it and infiltrated it. It was decided in Israel that a major terrorist event would forward Israel's plans in the Middle East, so Mossad was told to aid and assist the terrorist group planning the 9-11 attacks. Mossad was able to draw upon US intelligence sources for vital information, when they fed to their agents, who gave them to the Saudi terrorists. Mossad was also able to insure that the terrorists were not arrested after they entered the United States, while they were still preparing for the 9-11 attack.
The attack was carried out. It was largely successful. Mossad documented the fall of the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center in New York. The Sauds put pressure on US officials to allow top Saudi families to leave the US and return to Saudi Arabia. The Israeli government put pressure on US officials not to pursue inquiry into the "Dancing Israelis" and their Mossad connections. The Israelis were allowed to return to Israel. The US government, from the highest levels, assisted in a coverup after the fact of the involvement of Saudi Arabia and Israel in the 9-11 attacks.
There were no planted explosives. The buildings (all three of them) collapsed due to the impact of the two planes, and debris, and fires.
There was no certain prior knowledge of the attacks at the Pentagon, the White House, or the CIA. That is, they did not know in advance the exact date and nature of the attacks.
George W. Bush was not aware ahead of time about the terrorist attack.
NEVER, in history has fire brought down to buildings like that, EVER, until that day, explain that please. Also, EVEN IF, the 1 and 2 fell due to the "high temp jet fuel burning", explain building 7. Just debris caused this building to fall? LMFAO
The Saudi portion of this I'm willing to believe. But why would Israel want to go as far as aiding and assisting these terrorist groups? For that matter, why would Saudi Arabia even want them to? I think that's a bridge too far. But I also believe the moon landing happened (on the moon, not in a tv studio)
Because Israel is more afraid of these countries than Saudi Arabia is. The plan was concocted by SA, the US AND Israel. They ALL three benefited from the "attack".
Saudi Arabia doesn't even recognize Israel as a country. So they are suddenly going to join forces with them AND with the United States, to cook up a plan for terrorists to attack the US, because it will do what exactly? What countries are we talking about that Israel is more afraid of than Saudi Arabia? Sorry, but you've lost me on this one. I'm all for a good conspiracy theory but this one just doesn't hold any water.
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7 Doctor_Brain-Wave 2014-09-06
Before I even consider answering you, I'd like to know your intentions. A quick perusal of your history shows that you have no interest in anything remotely conspiracy related.
1 Ed-Dee 2014-09-06
Yes exactly. Thus the question.
Edit: I love conspiracy theories and I think there are small cernels of truth to some of them. If nothing else they are good to have as a frame of reference.
6 an00bishit 2014-09-06
Some people in our government (parts of the fbi/cia/nsa, and dick cheney) knew about the attacks months in advance. They realized all the things that 9/11 could justify and decided to allow it to happen. Word spread among dick cheney and his friends, and that's why we see red flags in their handling of policy and money leading up to 9/11.
What I DON'T think happened (unlike the majority of this sub i expect), is that there was any controlled demolition. I've watched and read a ton of things from Architects & Engineers for 9/11 truth, but after reading some stuff on r/changemyview on WTC7, I don't think there was any controlled demolition.
tl;dr: gov't allowed it to happen. that's as good as an inside job to me.
2 4to4 2014-09-06
They whole "planted explosives" theory is a distraction, and I suspect it was deliberately encouraged on the Internet by Israeli agents to direct attention away from the actual Mossad involvement in the planning and execution of the terrorism on 9-11. When we waste time talking about planted explosives (which only a moron could believe), we are not talking about Mossad planning and Saudi financing of the operation.
3 Ed-Dee 2014-09-06
So the conspirators created a conspiracy to detract conspiracy theorists from the true conspiracy? Did I get that right?
1 Ed-Dee 2014-09-06
Ok so what kind of things could 9/11 "justify" and why were these important enough to risk the alternative, which is Americans finding out that you allowed the murder of thousands of civilians?
1 an00bishit 2014-09-06
Invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan funded by Halliburton and the development of a global surveillance apparatus are the first two things that come to mind. One can argue that these things would have happened regardless of 9/11 (especially the NSA shit), but it would be a lot more difficult to "justify" these programs.
I don't think there's really much risk associated with allowing it to happen (the rewards, however, are enormous). It would be very difficult to PROVE that anyone had prior knowledge.
1 Ed-Dee 2014-09-06
Not much risk associated with it? You mean other than ruining their political careers and committing a federal crime which carries with it jail time or worse?
1 an00bishit 2014-09-06
No I mean, there's no good way to prove or convict them for letting 9/11 happen.
"Your honor, we didn't take the threats seriously."
"Your honor, we did not have sufficient surveillance to know the exact nature, location, and timing of the attacks."
You get the picture.
4 AllUrChips 2014-09-06
Real quick:The US and Saudi Arabia have a "special" relationship. They agree to trade oil in the US dollar, we offer them protection. SA wants all of the countries that would be a threat to them done away with. Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Iran etc...Was plotted by US and SA, they needed an excuse to start invading and destabilizing these threatening countries, kid of like pearl harbor, (also a false flag) used a pretext for war with Japan. They needed a target, hooked up with Silverstien, who wanted to get rid of the WTC buildings due to problems with asbestos and stuff that would be too costly to fix. He insured the buildings for more than they cost to collect insurance money. Israel was also in on it because they are always being threatened by these same countries. Saudi highjackers were payed handsomely(or their families were) and there you have it.
1 ZapPowerz 2014-09-06
Had not heard about the Silverstien part. Interesting.
2 smokefilled 2014-09-06
http://youtu.be/p34XrI2Fm6I Pull it
1 sheasie 2014-09-06
Larry Silverstein -- never forget.
0 Ed-Dee 2014-09-06
Oh right Silverstein (not a Jewish name or anything) was in cahoots with the Saudis to destroy his own properties and kill thousands of innocent people in the process? Because, um, "problems with asbestos and stuff"?
2 AllUrChips 2014-09-06
exactly. He wanted to make his money back(and then some), by collecting insurance monies. The way it stood before the buildings came down, they would have to be taken down anyway to fix these issues, and it would have costs him too much money. Those towers were not well built at all. Plus, the US need some kind of "target", and the WTC towers seemed to fit the bill just fine. Do some research and come to your own conclusion like I did. Sorry, but I refuse to just stand by and let this corrupt government tell me what to believe. If you believe the official 9/11 story, well, then their plan is working to a T.
1 Ed-Dee 2014-09-06
I am doing research. This is part of it. I'm all for conspiracy theories or anything else that deviates from whatever the "official" version of events is. But the conspiracy theories need to make sense. This one doesn't.
1 ZapPowerz 2014-09-06
It's no better or worse than any other explanation.
1 Ed-Dee 2014-09-06
If by "any other explanation" you mean the conspiracy theories bandied about here, then I'm apt to agree...
1 smokefilled 2014-09-06
So tell me how it worked. Explosive team enters burning building to rig it for controlled demolition right?
1 Ed-Dee 2014-09-06
No the airplanes that collided with the buildings brought them down
1 smokefilled 2014-09-06
And building 7? not hit by plane. Never in history has a steel structure fallen from a fire. Sept 11 saw 3 in one day. Building designed to be hit by a plane no less.
1 Ed-Dee 2014-09-06
Never in history has a 737 jet collided with a 110 story building. For that matter never in history has there been a building "designed to be hit by a plane." Not even the new WTC building comes with that description.
1 Ed-Dee 2014-09-06
Ok but why haven't they invaded Syria and Iran yet, almost 13 years after the fact? If this was part of their master plan, you'd think they would have insisted on a more aggressive schedule?
For sake of comparison, FDR's declaration of war on japan came what, a day after Pearl Harbor?
2 AllUrChips 2014-09-06
Because those countries have value to Russia and China, and they will try and intervene on any such invasion on them. If you remember correctly, we tried destabilizing Syria last year, much to the protest of Russia and even China. That is where ISIS comes in. Now we have another "terror" target to go after, and guess where they are? Syria, and Iraq. Believe me, Syria/Iran will be the next and last chip to fall, before the US can claim checkmate in this sick game of chess.
1 Ed-Dee 2014-09-06
Russia and China were part of the picture 13 years ago as well. You'd think that if they had gone to these lengths to plan this operation, they'd have anticipated China's and Russia's response? Or, better yet, why not just plan terrorism against China and Russia and have them get onboard?
1 MrGobekli 2014-09-06
Funny you should ask. They'd love to get them in the mix.
Their message to Putin: "Your throne is already shaking. It is in danger and it will collapse when we get to you."
Their message to China came from Al-Baghdadi himself, who threatened "So by Allah, we will take revenge! By Allah, we will take revenge!" for their hand in quashing a siege by Islamists.
2 honeyhogan 2014-09-06
I don't know if anyone knows, who hasn't read the 27 page document that is down in the 'vault' that the government won't release. After years of looking for myself though, I believe the AE911truth.org forensic evaluation. Why? Because our government has been lying to us to make the rich richer with war and oil.
1 sheasie 2014-09-06
http://www.consensus911.org/
0 trywhen 2014-09-06
I don't like a world where every single person has their own motives and goals, and that the powers we trust to protect us could fail so horribly.
It's easier to believe our government would kill us then that they would fail us so completely.
1 Ed-Dee 2014-09-06
Right but that's not a conspiracy then, is it?
1 trywhen 2014-09-06
Very true. But it speaks more to the mindset then the evidence.
1 Ed-Dee 2014-09-06
It says a lot about this sub that you've been downvoted to negative for this response...
1 trywhen 2014-09-06
Sometimes it is more reassuring to believe that horrible events are planned, and not random.
0 4to4 2014-09-06
High-ranking Saudi families decided to commit a major act of terrorism. They financed the operation. Mossad learned about it and infiltrated it. It was decided in Israel that a major terrorist event would forward Israel's plans in the Middle East, so Mossad was told to aid and assist the terrorist group planning the 9-11 attacks. Mossad was able to draw upon US intelligence sources for vital information, when they fed to their agents, who gave them to the Saudi terrorists. Mossad was also able to insure that the terrorists were not arrested after they entered the United States, while they were still preparing for the 9-11 attack.
The attack was carried out. It was largely successful. Mossad documented the fall of the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center in New York. The Sauds put pressure on US officials to allow top Saudi families to leave the US and return to Saudi Arabia. The Israeli government put pressure on US officials not to pursue inquiry into the "Dancing Israelis" and their Mossad connections. The Israelis were allowed to return to Israel. The US government, from the highest levels, assisted in a coverup after the fact of the involvement of Saudi Arabia and Israel in the 9-11 attacks.
There were no planted explosives. The buildings (all three of them) collapsed due to the impact of the two planes, and debris, and fires.
There was no certain prior knowledge of the attacks at the Pentagon, the White House, or the CIA. That is, they did not know in advance the exact date and nature of the attacks.
George W. Bush was not aware ahead of time about the terrorist attack.
2 AllUrChips 2014-09-06
NEVER, in history has fire brought down to buildings like that, EVER, until that day, explain that please. Also, EVEN IF, the 1 and 2 fell due to the "high temp jet fuel burning", explain building 7. Just debris caused this building to fall? LMFAO
1 smokefilled 2014-09-06
right? never once in history and then 3 in one day. One with a countdown and warning to get out of the way.
1 Ed-Dee 2014-09-06
The Saudi portion of this I'm willing to believe. But why would Israel want to go as far as aiding and assisting these terrorist groups? For that matter, why would Saudi Arabia even want them to? I think that's a bridge too far. But I also believe the moon landing happened (on the moon, not in a tv studio)
1 AllUrChips 2014-09-06
Because Israel is more afraid of these countries than Saudi Arabia is. The plan was concocted by SA, the US AND Israel. They ALL three benefited from the "attack".
1 Ed-Dee 2014-09-06
Saudi Arabia doesn't even recognize Israel as a country. So they are suddenly going to join forces with them AND with the United States, to cook up a plan for terrorists to attack the US, because it will do what exactly? What countries are we talking about that Israel is more afraid of than Saudi Arabia? Sorry, but you've lost me on this one. I'm all for a good conspiracy theory but this one just doesn't hold any water.
1 trywhen 2014-09-06
Very true. But it speaks more to the mindset then the evidence.