I see the ebola deal as one of two possible scenario's.

• 1. Ebola outbreak isn't nearly as dangerous as we are being led to believe.
  

Or

• 2. Ebola outbreak is way worse than we are being led to believe and its being hidden from us.

So I approach it like I do any cold, flu, or anything else. And if I get sick, I get sick. Being scared or paranoid about it won't do me any benefit. So keep your eyes and ears open, but don't spend the night fretting about it.

It's definitely one of the two but the weirdest part is that the MSM seems to be simultaneously pushing both narratives. It's like they're trying to see which one sticks/gets a bigger reaction or something.

It's nice though to see someone else who is also picking up on all of the tomfoolery and remaining open to both possibilities.

Scare us and they get better ratings. Placate us and they represent what the ruling class wants us told.

Or, if they have tight budgets, summarize press releases from ass covering government agencies or horrifying predictions from think tank experts who want to get a lot of publicity by being scary.

But, a thought: what if bad guys were developing bio warfare ebola in Liberia, and they screwed up and let it escape there instead of bringing it to the West first? Maybe Ebola will show up in the West at some point just because the guys developing it get around to bringing it here.

It's definitely one of the two but the weirdest part is that the MSM seems to be simultaneously pushing both narratives. It's like they're trying to see which one sticks/gets a bigger reaction or something.

That's exactly what they're doing. They're being directed by the govt., of course, but much of what they do is on autopilot. They're hedging their bets. This is spooky to me because it looks like the govt. might be at a loss on this one. In the grand scheme that may be a good thing, but I still think that the govt can serve a purpose, and this may be one of them and "Oh shit" they may not be capable because they're too committed to propagating some cultish fucking narrative.

Or, everything isn't black and white, or one of two options. I mean, it's either that, or it isn't.

I see the world in shades of gray. Of the list of possibilities based on what we know and what we believe we know and what we suspect, I have narrowed down the possible options I believe fit the scenario in play, to these two. But they are just opinions and possibilities. Which is why, in the end, I don't treat anything as absolute, and treat it like the cold.

I caught it. Well done.

every outbreak that made the news in the UK over the years, ALL the doctors and medical people interviewed expressed horror.

medical people are very afraid of Ebola and similar contagions.

'viruses from hell' tended to be the spoken or unspoken opinion.

the various zombie movies from the late 70s were heavily influenced in style and outlook by the newly discovered Ebola virus.

Take standard precautions. Washed hands often. Make a habit of not touching your eyes, ears, nose, mouth. Carry some germicide and watch for areas with a lot of people. These tactics should be used if this starts spreading.

"Being sick is bad for your health" -- random internet guy

It's sad that I have to post this in r/conspiracy...

Your contribution is welcome. Try to calm your perception of being branded as a Conspiracy Theorist and accept the gut check you're personally experiencing!

We're all trying to stay informed, aware and open to ideas.

It's sad that I have to post this in r/conspiracy...

The only thing that is sad is the fact that the majority of people still trust corporate media and label conspiracy theorists as nuts...

Thanks for the post! I agree that the number one question is: Everyone is saying it's really hard to contract, yet people wearing protection still contract it... What gives??

maybe this sub should be called /r/criticalthinkers

All good!

I agree with you that the whole ebola thing seems off. So much contradictory information and we're being bombarded with it from all sides. One minute we have the MSM downplaying the situation and saying that we have nothing to worry about and the next we have them screaming from the rooftops that we should all prepare for the zombie apocalypse.

In general, I'm always skeptical of anything I see being pushed so heavily by the MSM and that's especially true in this case since I can see many (possible) agendas and ways this outbreak can be used by those in power.

As of right now, I'm not convinced that the outbreak is as bad as we're being told by Yahoo, CNN, NBC, et al.

Edit: Literally the second I posted this comment, I automatically had a downvote. I didn't even reload the page and I was already at 0 points as I posted it. Probably nothing but it's the first time I've ever had that happen to me so thought it may be worth mentioning.

This appears to be happening in all of the Ebola threads.

It's becoming abundantly clear that there is quite a bit of fuckery afoot with regards to the ebola story. And I do not trust the MSM.

Still haven't made my mind up about it but intuitively I just know something is "off" about the whole thing.

Testing: Ebola Ebola Ebola

Edit: Still at 1 point

Edit 2: Still at 1 point, must be someone who has it out for /u/Ambiguously_Ironic

Nah, I saw it happen in multiple other threads. One earlier today, almost every comment got downvoted to 0. I didn't say it was a keyword downvoting bot (would be more downvotes than we're seeing if that!), but someone is definitely going through and downvoting ebola stuff. Could just be that somene's sick of it, there's a lot of it in the sub today obscuring some of the more interesting posts.

The post was at 0 when I got here...it pisses me off to go into threads on /r/conspiracy see downvotes on comments for no reason.

< So much contradictory information and we're being bombarded with it from all sides.

This is how basically every situation goes. Unless you're there first hand you sit in the background of what sources say and don't make any judgements. Most opinions are sensationalism.

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Well maybe that's why they released Ebola instead of something fully airborne. So it can be directed to the places they want. I don't actually believe that this was released with the agenda of population control in mind, but if it was, you would want to be able to control it.

You can book a flight to Liberia today, right now, for $1400. Why is the US Government not preventing this? I simply do not get it.

This! They could shut this down globally so much faster if they restricted air-travel from there. It's almost like the they want it to happen or care too much about the prosperity of the airlines vs. human lives.

"Well, we cannot really shut down air-travel because the shareholders portfolios would take a hit. And no one wants their portfolios to go south. That would be crazy talk."

The cdc guy says we shouldnt close the border "because people are allowed to travel", and that we shouldnt stop flights "because that would make it worse."

I shit you not.

The CDC guy said they CAN'T close the border. The current administration has refused to enforce the country's borders and standing immigration laws. The FAA could halt all commercial flight from Africa right now, it would just take an executive order. That won't be forthcoming.

Op is right, something stinks.

Shouldnt/cant.... I was more concerned with his reasoning, honestly. But youre right, he said cant.

Somethings definately not right when the "top" guy uses poor logic to defend a poor decision. They keep saying itll hurt the aid they would receive.... But by closing commercial flights, you can still allow aid flights. But, to them, its either all flights are good or all are grounded. This type of locigal fallacy, and its use by those at the top to defend their decision, is what particularily worries me.

I think there is a couple things going on here. First, the tickets are cheap due to economics. Demand goes down (because sane people don't want to catch Ebola) hence price of the plane tickets also goes down. Second, there has got to be some significant pressure coming from multi-national corporations to not close the border. In addition to airlines (really a drop in the bucket) sub Saharan Africa is loaded with natural resources (diamonds, minerals, oil to name a few).

I think it is mostly a thing about perception management. The government doesn't want to send a message that people should be deathly afraid of this thing, because the knock on impact to the airlines, travel industry, trade and the economy generally are considered to be greater than the risk posed by the virus.

I happen to think the opposite. It is still far too easy for an infected to make their way through multiple cities in the West and spread the infection along the way, making contact tracing incredibly difficult, if not impossible.

If the government was truly "acting with an abundance of caution", then we'd see one way travel only.

I have heard this before. If you shut down the borders then people will get smuggled out and we will have no idea where.

Everyone can travel except the guy in Dallas who is infected. He's under armed guard and forced to give blood tests on demand.

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I think it's more that they think it would affect airlines and travel industries.

It's easier to control a fearful public.

I'm not buying all this MSM fear since they do not have the best track record on reporting the truth.

"During an outbreak, the government can force you to remain isolated in your own home, or the government may forcibly take you to a treatment facility, a tent city, a sports stadium, an old military base or a camp. You would not have any choice in the matter. And you would be forced to endure any medical procedure mandated by the government. That includes shots, vaccines and the drawing of blood."

Yeah. This thing makes for one hell of a distraction from what they're trying to start in Syria.

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nice try shill

Just like 9/11 or the financial crisis of 2008, just look at who benefits. An epidemic is the 1%'s wettest dream and would allow a perpetual state of emergency. At that point, they can quit pretending democracy exists and finally shitcan the Constitution. See, global resources are peaking and there is no possible way they will let 7+ billion useless eaters piss away what is left. There is a price for the intellectual laziness, sloth and apathy the general public has exhibited over the last 30 years and they are about to pay it.

The interesting thing is that pretty much your exact post gets expressed every single time one of these disease scares pops up. Remember the epidemic that was Swine Flu? Bird Flu? SARS?

Sometimes disease outbreaks are just disease outbreaks.

The truly interesting thing is that diseases like Malaria kill orders of magnitudes more people, and yet are just glossed over and ignored because they aren't nearly as sexy and exciting as something like Ebola.

I'm sure. Maybe this won't be the one, although the handling of it is certainly suspect. If you look at it from their standpoint, an epidemic is the perfect solution to the overpopulation/scarcity issue. It leaves them blameless, allows for the consolidation of power, and decimates consumption. If I were a multibillionaire and privy to the real resource score, I would be screaming for this.

"Sexy and exciting as Ebola" I'll be using this with the wife tonight

Because we have drugs to treat malaria.

Do we?

Yes... ? It's completely curable.

a perpetual state of emergency

"We have always been at war with ebola." My apologies to Orwell.

The outbreak isn't terrifying. However, the mandatory vaccine needle would be.

Get the vaccine from your friendly local FEMA camp today!

utopia anyone?

if you wouldn't mind, could you elaborate on your point? I'm not trying to be snide, I'm genuinely unsure of what you mean? From my experience with vaccines, they tend to be a good thing, and I've personally never suffered any consequences from having a vaccine, and to be honest, I would feel so much better if a vaccine was made/discovered.

amen - not taking that one

If you do an ncbi (national center for biotechnology information) about Ebola you'll find an article that shows it is transmissible by air. Moneys kept in separate cages were infected by a different set that already had the disease. That kind of blows that whole not transmissible by air thing out of the water.

Also, ANY bodily fluids that come from an infected person can carry the disease. The virus can survive for days outside the body, surfaces are usually the vector highlighted in the media. Lets remember though, that when you cough and sneeze you eject particles containing spit and mucus and if you're infected, Ebola virus.. If it can survive on a surface for days, exposed to the open air.. Do the math. It may not be air to air if you're wearing a surgical mask. In a airplane, subway or any other crowded place with nothing between your eyes, nose and mouth it is

Yup.

There are a lot of people trying to downplay all this. Go read the r/Science AMA on this. After reading some of the nonsense posted there, I couldn't help but post in it.

There is something dirty here. The CDC director comes off like a conman.

Speaking of the CDC, they left a woman and three children with Ebola ridden bed sheets and towels for two days. This is the Center for Disease Control we're talking about

Yeah, I don't get that. What if they didn't have Ebola? What if one of them did? It makes no sense to leave them all together like that. I guess they couldn't figure out what else to do with them. Not exactly confidence inspiring.

Ask Eric Pianka what he thinks about airborne Ebola. There's your dirt.

If you do an ncbi (national center for biotechnology information) about Ebola you'll find an article that shows it is transmissible by air. Moneys kept in separate cages were infected by a different set that already had the disease. That kind of blows that whole not transmissible by air thing out of the water.

If you follow-up, you'll find that the researchers believe it was transmitted to both monkeys by sneezing or coughing pigs in the pens beneath the monkey cages. They found out that pigs produce the largest sneeze droplets of any mammal. Learn something new every day!

I know of three three levels of isolation: contact, droplet, and airborne. Your description of sneezing or coughing infectious material would fall under droplet. The biohazard in a droplet scenario wouldn't be viable in the air but can ride the secretions ejected from the infected. A physical barrier such as a simple mask and eye protection would be sufficient in protecting the caregiver.

I saw a documentary on ebola years ago, it was described as airborne. That's why it's kept in a BSL4.

So I ask, if this virus is limited to bodily fluid transmission, then why the hell are so many people catching it?

Flies.

The flies are swarming the excretions and then landing on people spreading the Ebola. They are not telling you this because it makes Ebola airborne by proxy - something that can never be contained.

A contaminated African fly can travel over 25 miles in less than two hours on their own power, let alone the distance when it hitches a ride say, to a guy on a motorcycle.

Also: dogs and other animals eating the neglected corpses, then maybe spreading the virus to new populations of flies.

i find it SO odd that ebola patients (as long as they're American) are being not just shipped back here, but are being brought to the middle of the country - Nebraska, as well as Atlanta, etc. Do we not have massive ships that can be used as floating hospitals specifically for containment, versus bringing people right into the country, right into hospitals where isolation / containment are the flimsy defenses, run by fallible humans? honestly, WTF? i don't begrudge anyone medical care, but putting MILLIONS at risk? wtf?

we've gone from "oh, it can't be transmitted that easily, no worries, Murica!" to "let's bring a few sick people here and be super careful!" to "yeah, so, a guy flew in on a commercial flight, with HUNDREDS of unwitting passengers, and WHOOPS! he's got the ebola!! but it's ok, he's in isolation now" to "clean the plane? yeah, we give it a good scrub-down...ONCE A YEAR". WTF??

this is kind of ridiculous. i'm not sitting here freaking out - im in a rural area. but MAN i am definitely VERY glad i don't commute 3 hours a day on a crowded train. someone is going to fuck up where ebola is concerned, and shit is going to escalate. bank on it.

As someone who lives in Boston and took the subway to get onto another train to go to work, I'm scared right now

:( i know. i used to ride the train 1.5 hrs each way to Boston. i'm not all "ermagerd let's freak out about everything, ooga boogah!" but i'm glad i'm off the metal petri dish.

As someone who works in an international airline flying 400 people at a time this is really stressing me up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOAWiNP5xWE

Watch from 43:31.

Ebola had no funding for research, people just didn't care enough to develop a cure because AFRICANS are TOO POOR to make a profit out of it.

But then, HOW THE HELL was ZMapp(Experimental Ebola Drug) funded?

It was only AFTER 9/11 that EBOLA was categorized as a POSSIBLE BIO WEAPON and started to get funds for the research.

Yep, 9/11, it was all planned just like the Illuminati cards predicted.

/tinfoilhat

Google "usamriid zmapp" you'll find that zmapp has been funded by the US Army medical research institute of infectious diseases in Ft. Dietrich Maryland. Your tax dollars at work!

https://www.google.com/patents/CA2741523A1

Exactly. Ebola was considered a likely agent for biological warfare.

This blew my mind.

http://beforeitsnews.com/agenda-21/2014/09/read-it-will-be-removed-proof-bill-gates-is-linked-to-ebola-as-it-hits-dallas-texas-global-depopulation-now-in-the-thrust-as-funerals-homes-and-hospitals-prepare-for-the-masses-life-altering-vide-1020.html

While I too question the lack of restriction on air travel from/ to the hot zone. I am so sick of hearing the 'if it's not that contagious, why are they in hazmat suits' argument.

In that particular instance, I honestly don't believe their hiding anything. Sick people cough and vomit and spit up. If you were on a bus with a person vomiting, you would move far away from them. Health care workers, on the other hand, move in closer to help. These workers would be stupid if they didn't take every precaution available to protect themselves (and by protecting themselves they protect every other patient the come in contact with.)

And as far as the question of 'why are so many people catching it', have you ever been to a third world country? There is a reason they recommend vaccines for a number of diseases before you go. Hygiene and sanitation is a hell of a lot different.

I am not trying to question a majority of your points. Ebola is scary, and how the international 'community' is handling it is suspect. However, every time I hear people include these kind of arguments it makes the medical community dismiss the real point and feasters fear in the wrong direction.

I'm one of the lefties you call venomous. But still, good points. Being a leftist, commie, christian socialist, I recognize that the wealthy are evil. If they don't get rid of us, we will rise up and eat them alive. Soon there will be almost no jobs. So they won't need us. Now it's not all of them. Some of the wealthy just want birth control to slowly reduce global population and control their own reproduction as well. But some are evil and will kill us if they can. And some of them see us as their personal slaves so don't really want us killed as long as they can get some profit from us.

Who is in control now? Damned if I know.

we will rise up and eat them alive.

Billions of DHS hollow-points say otherwise.

Who will be using them? Our children and brothers and sisters? Think they will?

The day came when the French police and military would not protect the king. The day came when the Russian police and military would not protect the czar. And the day will come that they won't protect these monsters.

Which why they are building automated flying drones and ground battle robots.

NSSM 200, straight from Kissenger's typewriter.

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Yes but they're starting at the wrong side. The only thing worse than poor people having a bunch of kids is rich people having a bunch of kids because the rich kids will consume much more of the world's resources and produce much more pollution. If they want to reduce they world's population they should start with the wealthy since they do the most harm.

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What BS

I'm not a Virologist and I don't think this is the end of humanity by any means,

Ebola rampaging around the world to ALL the built up areas, ALL the cities and towns and so on, this would put a serious damper on human civilization.

the photograph of the 100% unprotected 'Red Cross' worker handing supplies at arms length to an arm coming out the door (no license plate on the parked silver car, can see the four holes where the fixing screws would go), the name/number plate on the wall is bright white when doing ELA on the photo, this is symptomatic of editing not adjustment.

the two photographs of the 100% unprotected idiots jet-washing vomit off the sidewalk, likely maintenance guys for the apartment complex.

the photograph of the two yellow suited guys escorting the girl, her dress is a mess of ELAs (JPEG errors and colour palette incompatibilities), the badges on the yellow suits are added on too.

all these photographs have signs of serious tweaking in photoshop.

do they expect us to believe this shit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

now either its a massive con, or we are in for a redux of Hurricane Katrina, where super incompetent feds and state govt morons play at govt and open the door to disaster.

Could you post some pictures of the photo manipulation you claim to have seen?

I am very much interested in seeing it for myself.

Here is a short video showing the men in plain clothing power washing the three day old ebola vomit off the sidewalk and down the street. That can be seen at 1:00. In the first minute the newscaster is saying how the family in quarantine has been leaving their apartment.

http://www.wfaa.com/media/cinematic/video/15102472/ebola-patients-family-under-quarantine/

Another troubling report coming out of Dallas is from the paramedics stating that the ambulance used to transport the ebola patient was not put out of commission and used for 48 hours after. Plus the Paramedics WERE NOT notified they had been in close contact with the contagious ebola patient nor were the fire men.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/10/2/Dallas-Paramedic-We-Werent-Contacted-After-Working-in-Ebola-Exposed-Ambulance

None of this adds up.

http://thescoopblog.dallasnews.com/2014/10/dallas-sheriffs-deputies-upset-about-being-ordered-inside-ebola-patients-apartment-without-protective-gear.html/haz-mat-ii/

http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=a704fe4ec6372ac565e9ace2df2cf49c82a2bde1.99848&amp;show=ela

http://sandrarose.com/2014/10/red-cross-delivers-food-and-supplies-to-family-of-ebola-patient/the-red-cross-delivers-supplies-to-the-u-s-ebola-patients-quarantined-family-in-dallas-tx/

http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=9829f440fea8f1805132324310d5f7bfdc6ece25.136904&amp;show=ela

http://www.timesofpol.com/ebola-transmission-what-the-medical-community-doesnt-want-to-admit/

http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=3d81b23a9e9dbf5d581778dc91e405221ad5e32e.103442&amp;show=ela

the third title picture, two yellow suited guys carrying a boy, how is the first suited man holding the boy, what is he gripping to take the load. his left hand is on top, his right hand is !?

the second guy could not support half that weight at arms reach with one hand.

and if you zoom in on high res versions of MSM photos, the boundaries of objects tell a story, the normal used lower res photos hide their composition by the reduced resolutions.

the MSM editors have started to get wiser now, they scrub the EXIF from most photos used, hides the photoshop EXIF addendum data. on common low res photos anyway, some of the higher res ones as sometimes found on foreign websites have intact EXIF data still in the photos. it often tells a story.

the Sandy Hoax photos are a treasure trove of incriminating EXIF data, one day in the future when legal proceedings are in progress, lots of MSM perps are going to go down due to their complicity in the hoax. and their EXIF data will hang them.

another thing the saps in the MSM don't realize is , commercial apps like photoshop stenographically embed license numbers in the images (same as colour printers do the yellow dot thing), so they double incriminate themselves by using commercial apps for perpetrating hoax photos. scrubbing the EXIF data just makes it hard for amateur sleuths to follow the money, professionals like the FBI have an open door with images made with legal commercial software.

you gotta laugh.

First, how can the US allow a passenger from Liberia into Dallas-Fort Worth without as much as a quarantine?

Duncan filled out a form in Liberia stating that he had not been in contact with anyone with Ebola. He was not exhibiting any symptoms (he was screened for fever.) Is the US supposed to quarantine everyone who has been in Liberia or Sierra Leone for three weeks?

Secondly, if Ebola is so difficult to contract, as has been stated numerous times by the media, the medical community (as least those affiliated with the media), and right here in Reddit AMAs, then how are so many medical personnel contracting it?

Remember that many of the cases are in remote areas of Liberia and Sierra Leone. Although many helpers have good medical training, training only gets so far when you're buried knee-deep in ebola patients and not enough cleaning supplies. Plus, much of the population is poorly educated and don't take precautions when they are sick, exposing others to the disease.

Carrying on, why are there STILL cheap flights available for Liberia in the middle of an outbreak of a virus that has a fatality rate of 50%?

If the numbers are true, there are 10,000 or so cases in two countries with a combined population of 10,000,000. A very small percentage of the population has come in contact with the disease, and restricting flight to and from the country would be devastating to its economy.

That being said, many African countries have ceased flying to and from Liberia and Sierra Leone. Kenya, for example, has shut its doors.

The US did not put travel restrictions in place when MERS was a problem, either. It's just something the US does not do.

catching it at a somewhat alarming rate.

I've heard of three outsiders (two doctors and a camera man) who probably were educated and took precautions. I wouldn't say that's an alarming rate. Local medical personnel are often poorly trained for this type of contagion.

So I ask, if this virus is limited to bodily fluid transmission, then why the hell are so many people catching it?

Ignorance and improper training.

This is the answers you are looking for. If you want to blow it out of proportion and not sleep at night because the bible prophecies are coming to light; that is on you. Conspiricy should not exceed rational, and creating something that is not there is just as bad as the news outlets pumping scare tactics for ratings. No one can stop people from disregarding fact, it just makes those people stupid.

It seems to me that the reason so many people, including a large proportion of healthcare workers, are getting it is in part because we don't actually have a complete understanding about transmission. I suspect that transmission via fomites (i.e. contaminated surfaces and objects) is really at play. Several of the aid workers who became infected swear that they abided by the PPE regulations to the T and cannot pinpoint when they were exposed. The interview with Nancy Writebol speaks to this. It's also pretty good in terms of giving a picture situation in Liberia. http://news.sciencemag.org/africa/2014/10/ebola-survivor-ii-nancy-writebol-we-just-dont-even-have-clue-what-happened

Yup...the jig is up. It's airborne.

I have to say, these people are pretty good at confusing the issue.

They give us all the reason in the world to panic "There is a deadly virus in Africa that kills over half of its victims and is highly contagious" (paraphrased from the CDC's own website), but then tell us not to panic. "Don't worry" says the CDC director. "What if I'm sneezing in yer grill doh?" asks Sanjay. "OK, maybe worry." Then they let people come here with the virus.

People call a lot of thing mind boggling on the interwebz, but this truly is just nuts.

Oh, and, once again, Sanjay and the CDC director:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVdeuX7Bflg

Wow, that's one heck of a weird video. Made me feel like I was being sold on the low danger of being 3-feet from an Ebola patient. What's with all the smiling??

Smiling is good. Good is reassuring. Reassuring is good. Good is smiling.

The most obvious reason to a (forced) Ebola outbreak is population control. There are too many humans on this planet, I know it, you know it.

I definitely think the virus is going airborne or mutating in some way and the government is trying to prevent fear and panic for something it has little to no control over right now.

Pick up n95 masks

I think its complete bullshit that the liberals are calling out people for using scare tactics with ebola. What's so bad about being worried about ebola? Whats the fucking angle? Do Republicans have stock in Purell or something. There's nothing wrong with people washing their hands more. Nothing. This virus, if it gets out of hand, could be the next blubonic plague. And Democrats literally have liberal sponges believing its almost impossible to get the disease and using it to try and say that republicans are just fear mongering. <- This is really unethical. There's nothing wrong with being worried about Ebola, and I feel its educated people incorrectly. Today someone posted something about how Ebola isn't Small Pox. WTF, sure they have a point, buts not a good message right now. People should be worried about Ebola.

That was before we now have a case in America. I posted something in r/Houston today (because Houston and Dallas really don't like eachother) and I was surprisingly downvoted to 0 and lost karma, although comments were all positive, and all I was pointing out is how bad it looks like Dallas and the CDC are handling this poorly. They fucking are. Just read anything about the families being isolated.

people washing their hands more

disinfecting doorknobs, shopping trolley handles, wearing masks in public.

NOT sitting directly on public toilet seats.

wearing nitrile gloves and N95 masks when out in public.

sensible things to consider.

it's being done deliberately

The thing about all the healthcare workers getting it rather confusing, but there are several things that aren't being said about the circumstances they are in.

1) Many treatment centers don't have enough equipment to follow all barrier procedures. Supplies--even things like gloves--are in short supply. The cheap gloves break easily. What happens when all you have available to you is a mask and gloves? Well, it's better than nothing, but the rest of you is still exposed (eyes, skin).

2) Reliance on others' practices. Even if a healthcare worker does everything right--all the protection, sanitation, decontamination--s/he is still not guaranteed to have no contact. What is someone else screws up and accidentally touches a safe-zone door handle before he sanitizes? The next person without gloves who touches the door has been exposed. Medical teams are only as good as their weakest link.

3) Shortage of staff. There are many places where personnel are doing 12+ hour shifts. When you get tired, overworked, extremely hot (in the case of those with full protective gear), making mistakes is easier. You have trouble breathing and take your mask off for a second to let the hot air out. Your glove rips and when trying to fix it you accidentally touch the exposed flesh. Etc.

4) Some of the healthcare workers aren't getting it in the hospital, or in the Ebola wards. When not at work, the nurses/doctors are part of the community just like everyone else. They have just as much of a chance as being exposed as all the other Ebola patients did. Also, if you listened to Dr. Brantly's interviews, you'll find that he is CONVINCED, 100%, that he was not infected in the isolation ward. He thinks it happened when he went to the ER, without full protective gear, to help there.

Just food for thought.

I'm going to point this out. A virus doesn't have to be classified as airborne, and can still be caught through the air. This is happening with ebola. The reason why people are contracting it through the air, and it isn't labeled "airborne", is because it is transmitted through the air via water droplets. It doesn't fit the scientific definition for an airborne virus, neither does influenza or the common cold, yet they can also be caught through the air. They are misleading the public by not clarifying this, likely because they don't want people to panic.

I agree with your post. If you need to have contact with bodily fluids in order to contract Ebola, how are so many people getting it? Are we really going to just assume everyone is wallowing in each other's bodily fluids? Are we going to assume that that's what the doctors and journalists who have contracted it so far are doing? I highly doubt it. Something is off.

I found strange that the 4 persons in Dallas were quarantined in the same apartment where the 1st sick person was. Wouldn't have been better to take them to a level 4 facility (like we read in books or see in movies) and keep them isolated from the rest of the world and separated from each others and to check on them constantly with the help of professionals (docs and nurses)? That way a hazmat cleaning team could have decontaminated the apartment. I'm not at all a doctor or a health professional so maybe I'm all wrong on this but it looks odd to me.

What if this is whole thing is being set up to be the reason to declare martial law or something of that nature?

here's where i found this idea

From what I gather, the media is fear mongering to the extreme on this.

In Liberia, about 6,000 people have been infected out of about 5 million. 12 people of out of 10,000.

a few days before he came to the US, this particular person helped a 7 months pregnant woman to the hospital when she was having stomach pains. Everyone believed it was related to the pregnancy. Only after he arrived here, did the woman and subsequently others in the area die of Ebola. This patient immediately went to the hospital in Dallas when he had a fever but was turned away. Not really his fault as I see it.

Back to the numbers, If it is indeed 12 out of 10,000 people infected, I wouldn't really expect them to shut down the airports here either.

I personally think this is just the first of many unrelated cases we will see.

Not only did he help her I read that he actually carried her to the hospital. So he had direct contact for a significant amount of time.

No there is no quarantine. The way I understand it is that they were simply checking people for fevers. Which is stupid because symptoms don't show for a while after you've been infected anyways.

And they ask you when you leave Liberia if you've been in contact with a ebola. Not that anyone ever lied about anything serious, ever.

Except Duncan. He lied.

Also notice that he did not play with her feces, have sex with her or drink her piss which is what people continuously spout religiously as the only way to catch Ebola here on reddit. Such bs.

Ebola like the other really nasty contagious viruses, they tend to have an exponential growth rate in a population, just depends how many idiots stand still long or go near an infect person, enough to contract it.

the only saving grace is panic and fear, people and populations go into paranoid survival mode, isolation and barriers. and for good reason.

http://i.imgur.com/5HbApp0.png

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Did they fix the r/undelete bot? It went down for awhile.

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Has 4 he old submissions so apparently yes.

/r/Undeletemirror is also essential now becuase ...

Sigh ....

Mods are deleting from /r/undelete now. (its almost funny if it weren't so blatantly sad.)

Sometimes I feel that the obvious truth is staring everyone in the face, but then I glance at Reddit and just about any mainstream news site and I just shake my head.

Our government has, in the past, done some pretty messed up things - such as the Tuskeegee experiment. I could go on for hours and post link after link to similar experiments and how our government has absolutely no ethical or moral concerns what-so-ever, but I think the majority reading this are aware of things like the TE or even MK Ultra.

This whole Ebola situation is a complete and utter mess and we're in deep shit unless we get our act together and demand accountability from our officials - which, as we all know, won't happen due to the apathetic American public.

The US Military and the Ebola Outbreak

It’s really not a big jump to suspect that the military has also been doing research on Ebola as a bioweapon. As the Army Times notes about Ebola, “its stable nature in aerosol make it attractive as a potential biological weapon.” What better place, via the eyes of the U.S. military, to be messing around with such research than Africa? The thinking might go: If there is a misstep with the virus, research blowbacks don’t happen around US civilian populations.

Related..

What are US Biowar researchers doing in the Ebola zone?

The research program, occurring in Sierra Leone, the Republic of Guinea, and Liberia—said to be the epicenter of the 2014 Ebola outbreak—has the announced purpose, among others, of detecting the future use of fever-viruses as bioweapons.

Is this purely defensive research? Or as we have seen in the past, is this research being covertly used to develop offensive bioweapons?

Here is where things get a bit scary...

Ebola in the US: “Disaster Teams Were Notified Months Ago They Would Be Activated in October”

A public tweet from a large government supplier of emergency response products specializing in “high risk events” says that Disaster Assistance Response Teams were told to prepare to be activated in the month of October. The shocking revelation, made on the Goldenstate Fire/EMS Twitter page, suggests that not only did someone know that the Ebola virus would be reaching America, but that they knew exactly when it would happen.

All that I know is, every agency possible is dropping the ball drastically. This is eerily reminiscent of 9/11, NORAD failing, etc. Hospitals are messing up, airports failing to screen people, the CDC has basically failed at every level and the media is telling everyone not to panic. Sounds to me like this is WAY more serious then we're being led to believe.

I'm beginning to make preparations to ensure I am stocked on food, water, medicine and the second my locality is hit with ANYTHING similar to Ebola (that is, reports that people are being quarantined), I'm going into lock down mode. Keep in mind, those FEMA camps and coffin liners had to be used at some point.

This MAY very well be the establishment's End Game and where Martial Law is declared across the country if things get really bad. The people will beg for it once the riots start.

It't not sad at all. Many conspiracies can be argued in many different ways with reasonably valid points. This topic also stands true to that point. .. especially at this time... there is so much conflicting information, as well as lack of information, that it is hard to come to any conclusion. You have raised a lot of valid points.

As a person living in a developing poor country I would rather this be a conspiracy and not something the world has no control of.

Viruses can be contracted by direct contact, indirect contact, airborne, or by vectors. EBOLA is contracted by direct, indirect and some forms of vector, by animals in the wild. Airborne viruses must have a life-cycle which involves a phase whereby the particles stay viable for long peroids in aerosol form. Most viruses will die outside the host, that is they cannot stay viable indefinately outside living or decomposing tissue. To do that there has to be longer genome, coding for different proteins, than the replication proteins. That been said contaiment is obvoulsy the best strategy, bearing in mind it's leathality, quaranten procedures should be in place immediaetly there's an out-break. It should be isolated from the population as soon as humanly possible. Even if it means that indiviuals die, better than trying to treat masses of case. They know this, it's fucking obvious.

Can Ebola DNA replicate above 103 degrees as in a high fever?

Many say never lower a fever with a virus infection.

Just wondered of this held true for Ebola.

It's easier for a micro-organism to adapt to higher temperatures than the host, so no this is not a good strategy.

In the 12 months between Jan 2013 to Jan 2014, over 51 million passengers traveled through DFW international Link.

As of 2014, the TSA employs 47000 security officers for the United States in total Link . That ratio means that you have officers to passengers vastly outnumbered, coupled with the gross and obvious incomptence of the average TSA employee, you have a recipe of disaster.

The idea that our airports and travel network have anywhere near the capability required to screen, assess, and discharge a decision on each individual passenger, fails to realize the harsh reality of international travel.

Further to this, Ebola's characteristics, including it's incubation period, have been checked and tested by dozens of labs. For them all to be incorrect about the generally accepted 12-21 day incubation period, would either be the worse display of incompetent science, or a validation that a vast and elaborate network of scientists have stymied the study of one of the deadliest known viruses. The former is far more likely.

The fact that doctors and health care workers are also contracting the virus is not surprising. Yes, they are clad in multiple layers of haz-mat style suits, but they are being constantly and repeatedly exposed to the virus. Far more regularly than the average citizen.

They handle patients, work with samples, all in makeshift hospitals with insufficient materials and poorly maintained health facilities. Failure to understand the true level of poverty that these doctors are working in would validate this idea, but when the reality is embraced, it's clear to see why doctors would be contracting the virus at a far higher rate than the general population. Also, nothing's perfect. Especially clean suits.

This isn't a conspiracy. This is the fucked up, shitty reality of living with 7 billion other people. Couple this with unlimited international travel, and you have the recipe for the disaster that's cooking right in front of us.

Hmmm, I wonder we don't see op responding to the comments that utilize logic instead of fear mongering? Oh right, dirty liberal logic has no place here!!

Here's an article on droplet and airborne transmission:

Droplet vs Airborne Transmission

'The 2007 updated CDC Healthcare Infection Control Practices Advisory Committee (HICPAC) infection control guidance defines droplet transmission as a form of contact transmission in which respiratory droplets carrying infectious pathogens transmit infection when they travel directly from the respiratory tract of the infectious individual to susceptible mucosal surfaces (nasal mucosa, conjunctivae, and less frequently, the mouth) of a recipient, "generally over short distances, necessitating facial protection."[34]

'For diseases classified as being transmitted by the droplet route, surgical masks are recommended to protect the mouth and nose. The guidance also states that although 5 µm has traditionally been defined as the particle size break point distinguishing between larger particles (droplet transmission) and smaller particles (airborne transmission), observations of particle dynamics have demonstrated that a range of droplet sizes, including those with diameters of 30 μm or greater, can remain suspended in the air. Influenza virus is an example of a pathogen transmitted by the droplet route.

'The HICPAC guidance defines airborne transmission as dissemination of either airborne droplet nuclei or small particles in the respirable size range containing infectious agents that remain infective over time and distance. It states that microorganisms carried in this manner may be dispersed over long distances by air currents and may be inhaled by susceptible individuals who have not had face-to-face contact with (or been in the same room with) the infectious individual.

. . .

"In spite of the distinction made between droplet and airborne transmission, current knowledge of aerosols indicates that there is no clear line differentiating droplet and airborne transmission, as currently defined, on the basis of particle size. Coughing, sneezing, talking, exhalation, and certain medical procedures generate respiratory particles in a wide range of sizes -- not just very large droplets that launch directly to the mucosal surfaces or drop to the floor. In addition, particles begin to evaporate and become smaller immediately upon emission, and particles ranging from very small up to 100 μm can be inhaled by persons in the near vicinity of the source (Figure).[28]'

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/741245_3

It's really a matter of degree, but some people are using this "It's not airborne" argument to make it sound like Ebola is on a par with HIV in terms of infectivity.

Airborne transmission of Ebola unlikely, monkey study shows this seems to argue against "airborne" but the 2012 study Ebola may go airborne seems to argue for "droplet" transmission of ebola. We are deep into the grey area with this disease.

I really don't get why they allowed a cleaning crew too clean up vomit outside of the apartment without ANY protection, all after the news clearly identified that the resident had Ebola. I think about 9/11, the Boston Marathon Bombings, Sandy Hook, Aurora Movie Theater Shooting, and I can't help but to wonder if this is all a giant hoax, perpetrated by TPTB to instill fear, and possibly declare a medical martial law on the populace.

If you believe that both government and mainstream media lied about Sandy Hook, 9/11 or Boston Marathon Bombings, why is it so difficult to believe that this all maybe a giant "false flag" staged event? I know personally I don't believe a word that the government or MSM say anymore, period.

You are wise to not believe the bullshit. Never forget that the MSM/govt are now allowed to lie to you BY LAW in the name of propaganda.

Never forgot this.

We'll see soon enough if those cleaners become cases.

I wonder if there is a logical explanation behind all this.. it's scaring me that no one has found it.

Based on what I'm reading here, I'd say we are poorly prepared to deal with this crisis. If I had some $$, I'd be investing in companies working to develop vaccines for Ebola.

Prediction: as soon as an Ebola vaccine becomes available, the 'threat level' of Ebola will go way, way up. People will be lining-up for the vaccine, like 3 or 4 years ago with influenza vaccine.

Good article from Jason Kissner on the issue of Ebola: http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-dallas-ebola-case-an-immigration-related-process-conspiracy/5406073

What puts that on a conspiracy level to me is that the ways of transmission are being reported in the media inconsistently. When I first heard about this disease, they were saying on tv that people were catching this disease mostly because people were picking up dead bats and eating them. I was fine with that until I heard thousands of people had the disease and couldn't imagine that all these people were eating dead animals off the ground like that. Then there were the doctors being flown back and at about the same time they were reporting that the disease was being spread the same way that HIV was. I thought that was B.S. because I doubt the doctors (American) were having rampant unprotected sex with ebola patients. Now it's being said that it is being spread by touching what ebola patients have touched and that the surface touched can carry the virus for up to 6 days. And then there's always the talk of it going airborne at any time.

Edit: Listening to Michael Rivero and he's saying that pets can carry the virus without getting sick. So now Lassie and Fido can give you Ebola.

The media reporting is similiar to the aids transmissions distortions.

For example with aids there is and has always been a gross blatant conspiracy to specifically NOT report clear high risk factors such as anal sex and instead they write the constant falsehood about having "protected sex" inferring that traditional sex has the same risk when it is well known it does not.

Now we see the same type of reporting on Ebola , always trying to show us how you CAN'T get it instead ofelling people to take the reasonable precautions. More worry about "spreading panic" or "spreading discrimination" rather than actually assuming people are intelligent and just telling them proper precautions.

Now I am sure I will be downvoted as part of the conspiracy of readers who hate to hear how things are actually spread (once again proving that the conspiracy does exist)

Just remember if they had quarantined the 1000 or so known carriers of aids in 1988 it would have prevented the deaths of 35 million people.

I doubt they will take the proper precautions with Ebola either but perhaps they will since it truly can affect everyone equally unlike aids which was quickly recognized as affecting primarily gay nightclub goers and hemophiliacs (even before they knew what caused it )

500 million. That's what they want to get our population down to. The world can't carry on with the population we have now. We all know this. 500 million is human's balance with nature. And it's also easier to control this amount compared to today's population. If this virus spreads throughout the earth, then I'll have no doubt in my mind that the Ebola virus was purposely spread. All we can do is sit back and see what happens.

http://english.pravda.ru/science/earth/11-08-2014/128247-ebola_biological_weapon-0/

http://www.intellihub.com/u-s-government-patent-ebola-virus-2009/

Things haven't added up... I want to say the americans housed the disease and let it spread... I'll need to ask my friend for his links and info on that stuff... But from two minutes of searching i already found these two links above...

You are right 100% you see what almost nobody sees.

Also the clean up crew in dallas, tx didn't wear hazmat suits...

http://www.infowars.com/shock-image-shows-unprotected-workers-cleaning-up-ebola-vomit-in-dallas/

These past few days have been great exercises for me in Logic as well as for everyone else. Like when I first read of Liberia's intention to prosecute a man infected with Ebola, my first thought was, Why bother to indict a dying man?

Not that Duncan is free of blame, but that one could simply charge him later on should he live.

My 2c on two points that you raised:

Secondly, if Ebola is so difficult to contract, as has been stated numerous times by the media, the medical community (as least those affiliated with the media), and right here in Reddit AMAs, then how are so many medical personnel contracting it? They are wearing protective suits, using sterilization, and are trained medically, but if Ebola isn't the least bit airborne, then how have so many thousands contracted it?

The virus in this outbreak is now strongly suspected to be transmitted through surfaces ("fomites") tainted with body fluids; people are burning all equipment used on sick people. Also it is suspected to be transmitted by aerosols (sneezing and the like releasing droplets of fluid in the air that will end in the noses and eyes of other people) and they are recommending for medical people to use complete air purification gear, not just face masks.

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2014/09/commentary-health-workers-need-optimal-respiratory-protection-ebola

Still going, in Venezuela recently, there was an unknown disease outbreak that killed eight people, but the doctor who first diagnosed and treated the illness has fled the country because the government has accused him of terrorism for questioning, and openly defying their claim that it was not an "unknown disease" but was caused by Chikungunya, from mosquitoes. Why is he being charged with a crime for warning people about a disease outbreak that appears to have characteristics new to the population?

The Venezuelan government does make a lot of censorship and political persecution, routinely and for the most absurd reasons. In a country with people on rationed food and on the brink of civil war I think it is only natural that the dysfunctional central government tries to supress information about yet another problem...

Anyway this mosquito virus is already spreading though other South American countries (Brazil included), which makes the Venezuelan reaction even more out of place.

they are recommending for medical people to use complete air purification gear,

you know how expensive and rare those system are.

Anyway this mosquito virus is already spreading though other South American countries (Brazil included), which makes the Venezuelan reaction even more out of place.

There have already been five cases of chikungunya in Texas as of July

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Fifth-case-of-chikungunya-confirmed-in-Texas-5625850.php

Secondly, if Ebola is so difficult to contract, as has been stated numerous times by the media, the medical community (as least those affiliated with the media), and right here in Reddit AMAs, then how are so many medical personnel contracting it? They are wearing protective suits, using sterilization, and are trained medically, but if Ebola isn't the least bit airborne, then how have so many thousands contracted it?

In western Africa, a plastic garbage bag is about the best protection you'll find. They are not wearing the "space suits" you're thinking of

The doctors taking care of HIV patient's weren't catching the virus like these doctors are. This is not HIV--it's far more contagious.

Check this out, garbage bags, I am not kidding you... Western Africa lacks sanitary sewers, clean running water and easy access to a gallon of bleach. We are talking very primitive conditions.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/25/health/ebola-fatu-family/index.html

'Fatu stayed healthy, which is noteworthy considering that more than 300 health care workers have become infected with Ebola, and she didn't even have personal protection equipment -- those white space suits and goggles used in Ebola treatment units.

'Instead Fatu, who's in her final year of nursing school, invented her own equipment. International aid workers heard about Fatu's "trash bag method" and are now teaching it to other West Africans who can't get into hospitals and don't have protective gear of their own.'

That she seems to be doing a better job than the authorities is not reassuring.

my sentiments exactly

Carrying on, why are there STILL cheap flights available for Liberia in the middle of an outbreak of a virus that has a fatality rate of 50%? You can book a flight to Liberia today, right now, for $1400. Why is the US Government not preventing this? I simply do not get it.

Import/export trade? Those airplanes are full of a lot more than just people. If we shut off air travel to those countries, they will probably collapse, making a bad situation way worse as thousands of hungry villagers head to the cities.

Does anyone here watch a British tv show called utopia? So many parallels to this shit

No spoilers I just dl'd it. Beginning scene was an interest grabber.

because of the venomous nature of liberal Reddit

Nothing in your post has anything to do with liberals, not sure how it pertains. Also, it isn't just liberals at Reddit that have a venomous nature by a long shot. I've been personally attacked unprovoked many times by conservatives and/or libertarians, etc. instead of them attacking my ideas.

how can the US allow a passenger from Liberia into Dallas-Fort Worth without as much as a quarantine?

From your link it says he lied on his airport screening questionnaire before flying to the US. So, I'm not sure the US is really to blame, are we? I don't know for sure, but offhand, it doesn't appear so to me.

if Ebola is so difficult to contract, as has been stated numerous times by the media, the medical community (as least those affiliated with the media), and right here in Reddit AMAs, then how are so many medical personnel contracting it? They are wearing protective suits, using sterilization, and are trained medically, but if Ebola isn't the least bit airborne, then how have so many thousands contracted it?

Good breakdown and comparisons with other contagious diseases here:

http://www.webmd.com/news/20140806/ebola-virus-how-contagious

Many thousands are catching it in areas with low education. And, in the grand scheme of things, I don't think it's fair to say "many" western medical personnel have contracted it. But, I think we'll see a decrease in the already small number as awareness spreads and more western medics take better precautions now that they know what they're up against.

Carrying on, why are there STILL cheap flights available for Liberia in the middle of an outbreak of a virus that has a fatality rate of 50%? You can book a flight to Liberia today, right now, for $1400. Why is the US Government not preventing this? I simply do not get it.

The bottom of the article you linked to explains it. See the part under "Travel restrictions make fighting Ebola much harder".

Is there any doubt that they would be willing to test vaccines or even willfully expose civilian populations to viral infections?

Nope, our corporatist government, quasi-governmental entities and military-industrial complex have already proven themselves time and time again to think that human life is cheap and kill for a buck.

I wouldn't put hardly anything past them within reason.

This is a disease that is killing 50% of the people who contract it, and we are being told that contracting the disease is very difficult. yet those trained medically and in protective gear are catching it at a somewhat alarming rate. ... We are being told that there is nothing to fear in the USA, but would YOU want to contract Ebola? Your children?

Personally, I don't think it's an alarming rate as far as it goes in the United States. I'm vastly more likely to get hit by a car than catch ebola.

If anything, I think the media is eating up ebola fear mongering as yet another endless distraction from telling real stories that matter and empower average Americans.

That said, I'm concerned about Ebola's spread in the third world and hope we don't allow fear and ignorance to keep us from helping them to contain it there.

I'm sure this will get down-voted like a motha',

Well, I didn't downvote you. I think you asked some very intelligent questions and also helpfully provided sources of evidence along with your text. I may not agree with you on everything, but I think you offered a interesting post and I'm glad it provoked me to read those links you posted and further educate myself on the issue.

http://beforeitsnews.com/agenda-21/2014/09/read-it-will-be-removed-proof-bill-gates-is-linked-to-ebola-as-it-hits-dallas-texas-global-depopulation-now-in-the-thrust-as-funerals-homes-and-hospitals-prepare-for-the-masses-life-altering-vide-1020.html

Is the transmission like the common cold or flu?

If not why it? (With a cold or flu its a virus and apparently survives in bodily fluids that are then brung from touched places to new persons hand then mouth or nose)

If it IS spread like cold or flu why shouldn't we expect to see hella spread like flu season?

How does ebola act in a person who also has the flu?

I am compelled to this subject like a rainbow on an oil spill. In honesty it is because I suffer from agoraphobia and emetophobia so for me to be non-bias is extremely difficult.

Having said that, I do feel like this is worse than what we're being told and that the constant contradictory information we're receiving is a ploy to keep us confused while our government tries to figure out what to do/how to deal with this.

This whole topic is extremely stressful for me, I can't go a day without seeing something about Ebola on the internet or on tv, people who are sternly insistent that we have nothing to worry about and others with the complete opposite view. It is very hard to keep level headed even with the "known" facts because it seems that even the "facts" can have negative or positive slants depending on the source.

I would gladly take any conspiracy to be fact over ebola (i.e. being worse than we're being told). This is hell for me, the stuff of my nightmares, panic attack inducing, pure vile consistent stress. I want nothing more than to be reassured, but this is literally a waking nightmare for me everyday.

Anyone know why this thread was deleted?

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It wasn't - I can see it.

When threads are removed you can still access them if you have the URL but the link is removed from the subreddit.

I suppose you could always bring in the point, "where there's smoke, there's fire" meaning that the chances of "highly protected" personnel very close to the disease in general have a much greater risk of getting it than the majority in the U.S who are nowhere near it. Maybe there are slip ups in the protection system, someone take off some gear thinking they're safe and they get it (just a scenario, prob. not likely)

People In the Western World Need to Know What's Happening Here in West Africa. THEY ARE LYING!!! "Ebola" as a Virus Does NOT Exist and Is NOT "Spread". The Red Cross Has Brought a Disease to 4 Specific Countries for 4 Specific Reasons and It Is Only Contracted By Those Who Receive Treatments and Injections From the Red Cross. That is Why Liberians and Nigerians Have Begun Kicking the Red Cross Out of Their Countries and Reporting In the News the Truth. Now Bear With Me: REASONS:

Most People Jump to "Depopulation" Which is No Doubt Always on the Mind of the West When It Comes to Africa. But I Assure You Africa Can NEVER Be Depopulated By Killing 160 People a Day When Thousands are Born Per Day. So the real Reasons Are Much More Tangible.

Reason 1: This Vaccine Implemented Sickness Being "Called" Ebola Was Introduced Into West Africa for the End Goal of Getting Troops on the Ground In Nigeria, Liberia, and Sierra Leone. If You Remember We Were Just Trying to Get Into Nigeria for "Boko Haram" #BULLSHIT But That Fell Apart When Nigerians Started Telling the Truth. There ARE NO GIRLS MISSING. Global Support Fell Through the Floor, and a New Reason Was Needed to Get Troops Into Nigeria and Steal the New Oil Reserves They Have Discovered.

Reason 2: Sierra Leone is the World's Largest Supplier of Diamonds. For the Past 4 Months They Have Been on Strike, Refusing to Provide Diamonds Due to Horrible Working Conditions and Slave Pay. The West Will Not Pay a Fair Wage for the Resources Because the Idea is to Keep These People Surviving on Rice Bags and Foreign AID So That They Remain a Source of Cheap Slave Labor Forever. A Reason Was Also Needed to Get Troops On the Ground In Sierra Leone to Force an End to the Diamond Miners Strikes. This is Not the First Time This Has Been Done. When Miners Refuse to Work Troops Are Sent In and Even If They Have to Kill and Replace Them All, the Only Desire is to Get Diamonds Back Flowing Out of the Country. Of Course to Launch Multiple Campaigns to Invade These Countries Separately Would Be WAY Too Fishy. But Something Like "Ebola" Allows Access to an Entire Area Simultaneously...

Reason 3: In Addition to Stealing Nigerian Oil, and Forcing Sierra Leone Back to Mining, Troops Have Also Been Sent In to FORCE Vaccinations (Deadly "Ebola" Poison) Onto Those Africans Who Are Not Foolish Enough to Take The Willingly. 3000 Troops Are Being Sent In to Make Sure That This "Poison" Continues to Spread, Because Again It Is Only Spread Through Vaccination. As More and More News Articles Are Released Like the One Above From Liberia, Informing the Populous of the US Lies and Manipulation, More and More Africans Are Refusing to Visit the Red Cross. Troops Will Force These Vaccinations Upon the People to Ensure the Visible Appearance of an Ebola Pandemic. In Addition to This They Will Protect the Red Cross From the Liberians and Nigerians Who Have Been Rightfully Ejecting Them From Their Countries.

Reason 4: 3000 Troops..... Is Ebola Susceptible to Bullets?? Ridiculous. Last But Not Least the APPEARANCE of This Ebola "Pandemic" (Should Americans Not Catch On) Will Be Used to Scare Countless Millions Into Taking the "Ebola Vaccine" Which in Reality IS THE PANDEMIC. Already They Have Started With Stories of How It Has Been Brought Back to the US and Has Appeared in Dallas, How White Doctors Were Cured But Black Infected Are Not Being Allowed to Be Treated Etc.

ALL That Will Do Is Make Blacks STRIVE to Get the Vaccine, Because It Appears That the "Cure" is Being Held Back From Blacks. They Will Run Out In Droves to Get It and Then There Will Be Serious Problems. With All We Have Seen Revealed About Vaccines This Year You Would Think We Learned Our Lesson. All I Can Do Is Hope So, Because They Depend Highly On Our Ignorance to Complete Their Agendas. Ask Yourself If Ebola Was Really Spread From Person to Person, Instead of Controlled Spread Through Vaccination - Then WHY Would the CDC and the US Government Continue to Allow Flights In and Out of These Countries With Absolutely No Regulation, Or At All? We Have Got to Start Thinking and Sharing Information Globally Because They Do Not Give the True Perspective of the People Who Live Here in West Africa. They Are Lying for Their Own Benefit and There Aren't Enough Voices Out There With a Platform to Help Share Our Reality. Hundreds of Thousands Have Been Killed, Paralyzed and Disabled By These and Other "New" Vaccines All Over the World and We Are Finally Becoming Aware of It. Now What Will We DO With All This Information?

Cant You Tell By The Title Case That He Is From Nigeria? Every 419 Scam Email Is Typed Like THIS!!!1!!!

The Russian Federation is the largest diamond-producing nation in the world, not Sierra Leone. And the American nurses who caught it on US soil didn't get some shady vaccine from the "Red Cross", so how did they catch it?? Filing this under /r/forwardsfromgrandma

This is a disease that is killing 50% of the people who contract it,

Higher than 50%:

http://news.sciencemag.org/africa/2014/09/how-deadly-ebola-statistical-challenges-may-be-inflating-survival-rate

WHO and CDC recently came out with correction on that too, if you want to google. The 50% statistic was largely a misquote by the media who didn't understand statistics.

I love a good conspiracy theory myself but, I have been following this ebola thing from the start, and I must suggest that what your feelings are picking up on is the anxiety of those in charge. They just don't know. We've never faced anything like this. The global community acted too late. The authorities, I do believe, are really doing the best they can to keep everyone calm but yes this is uncharted territory here. They are doing the best they can!!!

I don't think there's any hidden agenda other than being human and thrust into an unknown and scary situation.

yet those trained medically and in protective gear are catching it at a somewhat alarming rate.

There are a myriad reasons for this, but trust me, if it was airborne, we wouldn't be on Reddit right now -- we'd all be dead. It'd have whipped through the entire globe that fast. It didn't. Ebola is slower moving than that, but highly fatal.

AIDS has a very low transmission rate and it's still the number one killer in africa. It's easy to get sick there because people are malnourished, unequipped and undereducated.

Ebola is not that contagious and it will be much less lethal outside of africa. There's no reason why a whole group of countries needs to be quarantined. This disease really isn't a threat to developed countries. The threat is to Africa.

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I posted a thread about it but Ill leave this here as well. In 2009 a researcher working on ebola was arrested trying to cross the border with materials into the US on his way to start work at the BIODEFENSE RESEARCH LAB.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/winnipeg-researcher-charged-with-smuggling-ebola-material-into-u-s-1.774725

then in oct 2009 the patent is filed and in 2010 the CDC gets patent on Ebola.

http://www.google.com/patents/CA2741523A1?cl=en

Now the same lab from which the ebola materials were smuggled out of has developed a vaccine.

http://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/ebola-vaccine-developed-in-winnipeg-ready-for-human-trials-1.2051601

I kind of spent the last hour fumbling around this rabbit hole. It is kind of scary. A lot of the dots that were connected in this blogpost regarding the 09 swine flu outbreak are all here for the ebola outbreak as well.

http://hanan-revue.blogspot.ca/2009/10/swine-flu-connections.html

Im not sure if they are the same people but googling the name Konan Michel Yao Africa says that he is now a WHO representative for south Africa. I don't know if they are the same two people but pretty strange coincidence none the less.

theory? im undecided at the moment. hoping smarter minds than my own can make sense of it. im not the sharpest knife. im also hesitant to stumble upon any other info. i have no interest in killing myself by throwin myself out of a moving vehicle into the mississipi river.

First, how can the US allow a passenger from Liberia into Dallas-Fort Worth without as much as a quarantine? There are now at least 100 exposures... Now, possibly D.C. as well.

Multiculturalism uber alles.

We cannot have homogenous societies, no matter the cost.

Stay scared my friend they like you better that way.

A lot of your question can be answered by looking up some of the /r/explainlikeimfive and /r/askscience posts.

Ah yes, /r/askscience, the bastion of facts and logic. /s

"The people will believe what the media tells them to believe." --George Orwell

George Orwell quote? Auto upvotes

Whether they are lying about the outbreak to cause widespread fear, or they are under-reporting the truth, they are pushing their agenda. Having a real Ebola strain wreaking havoc to depopulate while they come in with an army, or scare people into submission while they push a volatile vaccine...Its all the same.

It all does add up. This infection has been going on since March. If it was to be feared then you would see a lot more deaths then three thousand. I'd be worried if 100 thousand were dead, and though it is reported that it MIGHT reach 1.4mil casualties, I really don't see it happening. In the countries where Ebola has claimed lives and caused disorder are socially unable to stop the virus. They don't have the medical supplies, the capacity to house the sick or the finances for better infrastructure. Which allowed for a deadly disease to become as wide spread as it has. We have transferred 3 doctors to the state's for treatment, treated them and released them. This is not the end of the world here.

What I see is the same thing I always see; fear mongering from the news stations to increase ratings. If you are truly afraid of this becoming catastrophic then change your eating habits to include more vitamin d, as well as your normal good vitamins, and stay active to boost your immune system. Just stay informed, and keep your wits about you.

Give it a month, now that it was diagnosed in the United states our political leaders will give more help that wasn't there before it got serious. Which will stop it in its tracks just like is happening in Nigeria right now.

Tl ;Dr Ebola is being taken care of, its being blown out proportion and this outbreak will probably die out by the beginning of next year.

Whatever gets you to sleep at night, bud.

Not only did he help her I read that he actually carried her to the hospital. So he had direct contact for a significant amount of time.

Ebola like the other really nasty contagious viruses, they tend to have an exponential growth rate in a population, just depends how many idiots stand still long or go near an infect person, enough to contract it.

the only saving grace is panic and fear, people and populations go into paranoid survival mode, isolation and barriers. and for good reason.

Who will be using them? Our children and brothers and sisters? Think they will?

The day came when the French police and military would not protect the king. The day came when the Russian police and military would not protect the czar. And the day will come that they won't protect these monsters.

I see the world in shades of gray. Of the list of possibilities based on what we know and what we believe we know and what we suspect, I have narrowed down the possible options I believe fit the scenario in play, to these two. But they are just opinions and possibilities. Which is why, in the end, I don't treat anything as absolute, and treat it like the cold.

Also notice that he did not play with her feces, have sex with her or drink her piss which is what people continuously spout religiously as the only way to catch Ebola here on reddit. Such bs.

http://i.imgur.com/5HbApp0.png

I caught it. Well done.