How can a so-called "moderator" participate in an AMA without requiring proof?
Does this constitute evidence that this so-called "moderator" is part of a psy-op, if this is one, or could/would be part of other psy-ops, since that so-called "moderator" is expecting us to trust a non-verified AMA?
How is it possible that any claim about "all Jews" can be made?
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Oh hi Flytape. My friend says you're a mod or something. hallo.
Anyway, I wasn't really sure what Zionism was until I read about it a few weeks ago. After reading the Wikipedia article apparently I fit the criteria.
So: I think Jews should live in Israel instead of being spread around everywhere. Jews have historically faced a lot of persecution (obviously that's gone down a ton in recent times) and it would be better if Jews were in Israel.
I think all groups of people should be entitled to some land. Jerusalem, Israel, etc all used to be owned by the Jewish people, and I think that we have a right to own it again.
That's an interesting point, but not really what I meant. People of all religions or ethnicities should have a place to call home, not hate groups. Of course, these "homes" for different groups don't necessairily need to be exclusively that one group.
I should point out that I support Israel in general, not every single one of its' soldiers or people.
I dislike that some Israelis(thankfully a minority) are supporting violent conquest, and I think that we should be peaceful. Palestinians are undergoing a tough situation, and I'm not exactly sure how I would handle it. I believe Jews have a right to live in areas that they own, but so do Palestinians, as they have been living there for many years.
The best possible outcome would be peaceful co-existence, but it seems like a slim chance of that happening :(
Well, (and I hate to use this argument) just because Hitler wore shoes doesn't mean we shouldn't. I don't deny Zionism is nationalistic, but that's not necessairily a bad thing. Saying that it's literally Nazism because they share one example isn't a solid argument.
The United States of America committed genocide on the native Americans, and sold many into slavery. Should we go to war against them?
Japan committed multiple war crimes in WWII. They killed more innocents then the Nazis did in the Holocaust, and did extensive non-consensual torturous testing on innocents. Should we go to war against them?
Germany ended the lives of 6 million innocent people on the Holocaust. Should we go to war against them?
Past actions do not reflect the current state of affairs.
Nothing that I know of. I'm not saying the Palestinians did something bad, I was pointing out that Israel working with Nazi Germany =/= Israel is leterally Hitler.
Also, that wasn't really my point with the slave trade thing. I was just pointing out that many countries, including the U.S., committed horrible crimes in their past.
Hmm, no I didnt. But I don't think that makes a real change. Nearly all developed countries(USA, Germany, etc) has committed some sort of genocide in the past-- doesn't mean we take them any less seriously.
Did you really justify genocide by way of the jumping off a bridge argument there? There's no way you're for real here. I hate the blatant overuse of "shill" here , but I'll be god damned if you're not fitting the mold meant for such a term with your AMA here. The naivety you're displaying is more over-the-top than any self-proclaimed Zionist would ever show.
I'm not supporting genocide! Holy shit you people are dense. My point in the post above was to say that just because Israel worked with Nazi Germany doesn't mean they're literally Nazi Germany. I was not making any suggestion that genocide is good.
Zionism is an extremist arm of Judaism. It is no different to the KKK being an extremist arm of Christianity. Why is it so hard for YOU people to understand this.
Jerusalem, Israel, etc all used to be owned by the Jewish people, and I think that we have a right to own it again.
So if someone could prove that they have a genetic relationship to the original canaanites do you think the lands that the Jewish people took from the Canaanites should be returned to the Canaanites?
I highly doubt there is anyone who is genetically related to the Canaanites, which is why I think Israel should be given to the Jewish people.
But if someone was, that would be a strange situation. I don't think it's really feasible to give all of Israel to that one person, but something should be done. I'm not a politician-I don't know.
Well since the Jews destroyed their own records of lineage during the war of the Jews, around 70AD nobody can really claim to be truly Jewish either. Why should Jewish religious claims take precedence over Christian and Islamic religious claims?
Well, Christianity and Islamic religions already have their own, spsort of places. Not officially like Israel, but in the Americas Christianity is the norm, and in the middle-east Islam is the majority.
Yeah pretty much the rest of the civilized world has recognized the stupidity of holy wars, why revert back to old ways that have already proven to cause nothing but bloodshed?
So I'm just curious do you know the history of the country you so devotedly support? Everyone has the right to support whatever they want regardless if I and most people here generally disagree with you.
Everything you are saying is a little contradictory. You say that people of the Jewish faith deserve a home country but that doesn't mean they get to push out a people that were on that land for quite some time now. When the Zionist were promoting immigration to Israel they were telling the public that it was a land without a people and that they would populate it. The reality is there were well over a million Palestinians already living there and the land was very much populated. Just some food for thought.
Uh, okay. Can you tell me why I'm not a Zionist Jew? I'm Jewish, and support Israel and think Jews should move there. Isn't that the definition of Zionist Jew?
So as a Zionist you have absolutely no issue that you are endorsing genocide of the Palestinian people. You fully support the Samson option and actually believe the lie that Iran is trying to build nukes for the sole purpose of destroying Israel.
Oookay... Um, could you link me to a definition of Zionism? Like I read the Wikipedia article on it and that's about it, and judging from the response here there's something more to it...?
A simple google search can find that. Zionism is a political movement. It's a misconception even among Jewish people that by being a Zionist means your being a better Jew. Of course that depends on who your talking to because any hard liner Zionist will say that everything he or she does is in the best interest of Jewish people and that really isn't the case.
My biggest issue with Zionism is that they have essentially turned a religion into an ethnicity. Why do I hate that? Well there are African Jews, Arab (yes Arab Jews), European Jews, Russian Jews and so on. I understand that religion is important to a lot of people but if you want to learn and connect more to your Jewish faith just by moving to Israel and saying your a Zionist then I suggest you learn more about what you are calling yourself.
Uh, okay. Can you tell me why I'm not a Zionist Jew? I'm Jewish, and support Israel and think Jews should move there. Isn't that the definition of Zionist Jew?
Well since the Jews destroyed their own records of lineage during the war of the Jews, around 70AD nobody can really claim to be truly Jewish either. Why should Jewish religious claims take precedence over Christian and Islamic religious claims?
Zionism is an extremist arm of Judaism. It is no different to the KKK being an extremist arm of Christianity. Why is it so hard for YOU people to understand this.
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3 GlobalSouth 2014-11-20
Do you think Israel should have borders? If so, what should its western border be?
2 00000a 2014-11-20
Well yeah, no shit Israel needs borders. How would it function without any? I'm not suggesting some kind of global Jewish conquest or anything.
But man, I'm not a fucking geographer or politician. I don't know!
3 GlobalSouth 2014-11-20
Israel is currently occupying territory well outside its internationally recognized borders.
1 IbDotLoyingAwright 2014-11-20
That answer is totally believable. I really believe you could be legit, just based on how realistic that answer was compared to most lying AMAers.
1 00000a 2014-11-20
Do people lie on AMAs often?
2 northamerimassgrave 2014-11-20
How can anyone do an AMA without proof?
How can a so-called "moderator" participate in an AMA without requiring proof?
Does this constitute evidence that this so-called "moderator" is part of a psy-op, if this is one, or could/would be part of other psy-ops, since that so-called "moderator" is expecting us to trust a non-verified AMA?
How is it possible that any claim about "all Jews" can be made?
1 Flytape 2014-11-20
Any chance you get right?
1 Flytape 2014-11-20
I think I got all the answers I needed.
1 00000a 2014-11-20
Dude I don't know. According to this subreddit I'm either literally hitler or a poser? I don't know why or how I can give you proof of being Jewish.
1 northamerimassgrave 2014-11-20
AMAs on Reddit always require proof of identity, not singling you out.
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/wiki/index#wiki_3._what_constitutes_.22proof.22.3F
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1 Flytape 2014-11-20
Why? Why Zionism? What does Zionism mean to you?
1 00000a 2014-11-20
Oh hi Flytape. My friend says you're a mod or something. hallo.
Anyway, I wasn't really sure what Zionism was until I read about it a few weeks ago. After reading the Wikipedia article apparently I fit the criteria.
So: I think Jews should live in Israel instead of being spread around everywhere. Jews have historically faced a lot of persecution (obviously that's gone down a ton in recent times) and it would be better if Jews were in Israel.
Also, I support Israels' actions.
2 GlobalSouth 2014-11-20
Do you live in Israel?
2 00000a 2014-11-20
Not yet, but I'm planning to soon. Currently im in Japan.
1 Flytape 2014-11-20
Do you know how Jews lost their holy land in the first place?
Why do you think they are entitled to this land?
0 00000a 2014-11-20
I think all groups of people should be entitled to some land. Jerusalem, Israel, etc all used to be owned by the Jewish people, and I think that we have a right to own it again.
1 Flytape 2014-11-20
So you think white supremacists are entitled to a land of their own?
-1 00000a 2014-11-20
That's an interesting point, but not really what I meant. People of all religions or ethnicities should have a place to call home, not hate groups. Of course, these "homes" for different groups don't necessairily need to be exclusively that one group.
1 Flytape 2014-11-20
Then why are Israeli settlers kicking Palestinians out of neighborhoods in Gaza before they "settle"?
Are Palestinians exempt from this right to have a place to call home?
-2 00000a 2014-11-20
I should point out that I support Israel in general, not every single one of its' soldiers or people.
I dislike that some Israelis(thankfully a minority) are supporting violent conquest, and I think that we should be peaceful. Palestinians are undergoing a tough situation, and I'm not exactly sure how I would handle it. I believe Jews have a right to live in areas that they own, but so do Palestinians, as they have been living there for many years.
The best possible outcome would be peaceful co-existence, but it seems like a slim chance of that happening :(
2 Flytape 2014-11-20
Well you claim to be a Zionist but I'm not sure you are aware of the parallels between Zionism and Nazism.
You don't seem to be aware of the nationist roots of both movements.
0 00000a 2014-11-20
Well, (and I hate to use this argument) just because Hitler wore shoes doesn't mean we shouldn't. I don't deny Zionism is nationalistic, but that's not necessairily a bad thing. Saying that it's literally Nazism because they share one example isn't a solid argument.
2 Flytape 2014-11-20
They share more than one example. They actually existed at the same time and worked together to establish Israel.
http://www.rense.com/general82/nzzi.htm
1 00000a 2014-11-20
Huh, that's intersting. But once again:
The United States of America committed genocide on the native Americans, and sold many into slavery. Should we go to war against them?
Japan committed multiple war crimes in WWII. They killed more innocents then the Nazis did in the Holocaust, and did extensive non-consensual torturous testing on innocents. Should we go to war against them?
Germany ended the lives of 6 million innocent people on the Holocaust. Should we go to war against them?
Past actions do not reflect the current state of affairs.
2 Flytape 2014-11-20
But what did the Palestinians do?
You should look into that whole slave trade thing a little closer. The US was a customer not a merchant.
0 00000a 2014-11-20
Nothing that I know of. I'm not saying the Palestinians did something bad, I was pointing out that Israel working with Nazi Germany =/= Israel is leterally Hitler.
0 00000a 2014-11-20
Also, that wasn't really my point with the slave trade thing. I was just pointing out that many countries, including the U.S., committed horrible crimes in their past.
0 Flytape 2014-11-20
http://www.rense.com/general21/pastzionist.htm
Are you aware that you're claiming to be a part of an organization that started as a terrorist organization?
1 00000a 2014-11-20
Hmm, no I didnt. But I don't think that makes a real change. Nearly all developed countries(USA, Germany, etc) has committed some sort of genocide in the past-- doesn't mean we take them any less seriously.
1 snstrmstch 2014-11-20
Did you really justify genocide by way of the jumping off a bridge argument there? There's no way you're for real here. I hate the blatant overuse of "shill" here , but I'll be god damned if you're not fitting the mold meant for such a term with your AMA here. The naivety you're displaying is more over-the-top than any self-proclaimed Zionist would ever show.
1 00000a 2014-11-20
I'm not supporting genocide! Holy shit you people are dense. My point in the post above was to say that just because Israel worked with Nazi Germany doesn't mean they're literally Nazi Germany. I was not making any suggestion that genocide is good.
1 JUSTIN_HERGINA 2014-11-20
Zionism is an extremist arm of Judaism. It is no different to the KKK being an extremist arm of Christianity. Why is it so hard for YOU people to understand this.
1 JUSTIN_HERGINA 2014-11-20
You shouldn't be proud to be a Zionist. Judaism is peaceful. There is a massive difference.
1 Flytape 2014-11-20
So if someone could prove that they have a genetic relationship to the original canaanites do you think the lands that the Jewish people took from the Canaanites should be returned to the Canaanites?
0 00000a 2014-11-20
I highly doubt there is anyone who is genetically related to the Canaanites, which is why I think Israel should be given to the Jewish people.
But if someone was, that would be a strange situation. I don't think it's really feasible to give all of Israel to that one person, but something should be done. I'm not a politician-I don't know.
1 Flytape 2014-11-20
Well since the Jews destroyed their own records of lineage during the war of the Jews, around 70AD nobody can really claim to be truly Jewish either. Why should Jewish religious claims take precedence over Christian and Islamic religious claims?
Since genetics is clearly off the table.
1 00000a 2014-11-20
Well, Christianity and Islamic religions already have their own, spsort of places. Not officially like Israel, but in the Americas Christianity is the norm, and in the middle-east Islam is the majority.
0 Flytape 2014-11-20
When should Israel stop growing outside of its established borders?
1 LetsHackReality 2014-11-20
What's the deal with the Kabbalah?
-1 00000a 2014-11-20
Uh. What about it?
1 LetsHackReality 2014-11-20
Just started checking it out like a month ago. What is its significance to you?
1 00000a 2014-11-20
I don't dabble too deep in that stuff TBH. I mean, it, like, tries to define the universes' nature and that of humanity and stuff I guess.
1 LetsHackReality 2014-11-20
Is it supposed to help people astral travel or something?
1 JUSTIN_HERGINA 2014-11-20
Hi there. How is your day going? What brought you to this specific subreddit? Why do you consider yourself a "Zionist Jew"?
1 toneii 2014-11-20
Is Zionism real, or is it a conspiracy theory?
-2 SquareHimself 2014-11-20
Why do you refuse Jesus Christ?
1 00000a 2014-11-20
Because I'm not Christian.
1 SquareHimself 2014-11-20
Your answer determined you're not a zionist Jew. Better luck next time, buddy.
0 00000a 2014-11-20
What? Why not?
0 SquareHimself 2014-11-20
Further evidence.
1 toneii 2014-11-20
The ole shibboleth
0 00000a 2014-11-20
I'm so confused. Why does nobody here believe me? Is being a Zionist Jew so far out there?
2 Flytape 2014-11-20
Yeah pretty much the rest of the civilized world has recognized the stupidity of holy wars, why revert back to old ways that have already proven to cause nothing but bloodshed?
0 00000a 2014-11-20
Wait what. Am I missing something? I don't think we should have holy wars.
2 Flytape 2014-11-20
Yes you're missing something.
Zionism is a holy war to reclaim the historic Jewish holy lands.
0 00000a 2014-11-20
Well, I do believe that the Jewish people should have Israel. But we shouldn't go to war unless absolutely necessary.
2 Flytape 2014-11-20
You aren't very well versed on current events in Gaza are you?
1 in_trouble_again 2014-11-20
it's hard to keep the former inhabitants in refugee camps without continuing your war against them
there is empty space within the borders declared in 1948, why the need to keep making incursions on palastine?
2 Fulloice 2014-11-20
So I'm just curious do you know the history of the country you so devotedly support? Everyone has the right to support whatever they want regardless if I and most people here generally disagree with you.
Everything you are saying is a little contradictory. You say that people of the Jewish faith deserve a home country but that doesn't mean they get to push out a people that were on that land for quite some time now. When the Zionist were promoting immigration to Israel they were telling the public that it was a land without a people and that they would populate it. The reality is there were well over a million Palestinians already living there and the land was very much populated. Just some food for thought.
0 anon614 2014-11-20
Call him a stupid goy or something, you're supposed to be a villain. Promote some race mixing, it's what they expect.
0 Flytape 2014-11-20
No racial slurs are allowed here.
You've been warned.
0 00000a 2014-11-20
Haha what?
0 00000a 2014-11-20
Uh, okay. Can you tell me why I'm not a Zionist Jew? I'm Jewish, and support Israel and think Jews should move there. Isn't that the definition of Zionist Jew?
1 Fulloice 2014-11-20
So as a Zionist you have absolutely no issue that you are endorsing genocide of the Palestinian people. You fully support the Samson option and actually believe the lie that Iran is trying to build nukes for the sole purpose of destroying Israel.
1 00000a 2014-11-20
Oookay... Um, could you link me to a definition of Zionism? Like I read the Wikipedia article on it and that's about it, and judging from the response here there's something more to it...?
2 Fulloice 2014-11-20
A simple google search can find that. Zionism is a political movement. It's a misconception even among Jewish people that by being a Zionist means your being a better Jew. Of course that depends on who your talking to because any hard liner Zionist will say that everything he or she does is in the best interest of Jewish people and that really isn't the case.
My biggest issue with Zionism is that they have essentially turned a religion into an ethnicity. Why do I hate that? Well there are African Jews, Arab (yes Arab Jews), European Jews, Russian Jews and so on. I understand that religion is important to a lot of people but if you want to learn and connect more to your Jewish faith just by moving to Israel and saying your a Zionist then I suggest you learn more about what you are calling yourself.
0 00000a 2014-11-20
Uh, okay. Can you tell me why I'm not a Zionist Jew? I'm Jewish, and support Israel and think Jews should move there. Isn't that the definition of Zionist Jew?
1 toneii 2014-11-20
The ole shibboleth
1 Flytape 2014-11-20
Well since the Jews destroyed their own records of lineage during the war of the Jews, around 70AD nobody can really claim to be truly Jewish either. Why should Jewish religious claims take precedence over Christian and Islamic religious claims?
Since genetics is clearly off the table.
0 Flytape 2014-11-20
When should Israel stop growing outside of its established borders?
1 JUSTIN_HERGINA 2014-11-20
Zionism is an extremist arm of Judaism. It is no different to the KKK being an extremist arm of Christianity. Why is it so hard for YOU people to understand this.
1 JUSTIN_HERGINA 2014-11-20
You shouldn't be proud to be a Zionist. Judaism is peaceful. There is a massive difference.