Edit: I have been banned by Axol's buddy Flytape... http://imgur.com/cAQJgEb

This needs to be said.

The mod who pinned this to the top is also responsible for another Holocaust debacle here just recently.

http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2hczx1/adolf_hitler_the_greatest_story_never_told_2013/

Now I personally welcome these topics but something is off.

/u/axolotl_peyotl — Are you the same mod who was apart of the fake Gage AMA + I'm curious if you also put up the huge red hitler poster on the side bar during September around 9/11? (Edit: you've answered yes, so wow what a coincidence)

A lot of unfortunate and timely coincidences ...

I think you are subverting the credibility of this subreddit, distracting discussion from the more important issues, and whether it's intentional or not does not matter. Especially since you seem to be interested in the fringe side of conspiracies — (Holocaust, Vaccines) considering your main focus is vaccines.

You are not fit to be a mod in my opinion and should accept your resignation.

This thread has been linked to from elsewhere on reddit.

• [/r/SubredditDrama] Users being banned left and right for questioning mods in /r/conspiracy

• [/r/ThePopcornStand] A "Holocaust revisionist" is to host an AMA in /r/conspiracy. One user points out that the mod posting this is also responsible for the AMA with Richard Gage that turned out to be fake. Opinions and bans fly every which way.

• [/r/SubredditDrama] A "Holocaust revisionist" is to host an AMA in /r/conspiracy. One user points out that the mod posting this is also responsible for the AMA with Richard Gage that turned out to be fake. Opinions and bans fly every which way.

^{If you follow any of the above links, respect the rules of reddit and don't vote or comment. Questions? Abuse? Message me here.}

fuck off, indeed. /u/CoincidenceTheory, you cunt.

"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire

maybe try thinking critically about the Holocaust instead of arbitrarily deciding there are verboten topics in r/conspiracy.

He's not deciding that at all. He's saying the mod obviously has an agenda and he's using the minuscule amount of "power" he does have to exploit that here.

And "think critically of the Holocaust"? Really?

You're an obvious piece of shit.

Good one

I have been banned by Axol's buddy Flytape.

Good, you should be. Shut up with the mod bullshit.

Fuck off.

Everyone has their pet theory, your 'more important issues' are only more important to you.

People make mistakes, the GAGE AMA was a fuck up, we learned from it. The story is over. Stop manufacturing outrage to try and gain control of this sub. We won't be censoring discussion of Holocaust inconsistencies or "antisemitism" as you like to call it.

I don't care if you're offended. AP only stickied 'the greatest story never told' because the community voted on it. It could have been any one of the mods who did that. For that matter it may as well have been all of us. So crucify me with him, and the rest of the mod team.

So crucify me with him, and the rest of the mod team.

I think the concern is just with you and him, but not with the rest of the mod team.

I share the same concerns as do many others if you'll note the voting pattern.

If you'll note the voting pattern then please take into account that the highest up voted comments are on topic and in support of this AMA. THANKS!

The next 10 of 11 posts are literally voicing displeasure with this AMA and mods. After those top 2 posts every top voted comment is against this. Are you really going to try and ignore and ban your way out of recognizing this AMA is junk? You and axol need to step down as mods.

Edit. Well. This is the top comment now: http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2ooful/david_colestein_holocaust_revisionist_filmmaker/cmpzvyp

Snap out of it.

we won't be stepping down as mods.

There is an underwhelming minority of people who are against this AMA to the point that they want a mod's head to roll over it.

you aren't winning.

What are you talking about? Here's like 7 for you which are upvoted right after the top 2 comments. You and axol are not fit to be mods.

http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2ooful/david_colestein_holocaust_revisionist_filmmaker/cmpogvx

http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2ooful/david_colestein_holocaust_revisionist_filmmaker/cmqz0jx

http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2ooful/david_colestein_holocaust_revisionist_filmmaker/cmr4d7o

http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2ooful/david_colestein_holocaust_revisionist_filmmaker/cmq7guy

http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2ooful/david_colestein_holocaust_revisionist_filmmaker/cmpp3yp

http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2ooful/david_colestein_holocaust_revisionist_filmmaker/cmpyx7h

http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2ooful/david_colestein_holocaust_revisionist_filmmaker/cmpzvyp

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2ooful/david_colestein_holocaust_revisionist_filmmaker/cmp32uo

this is still the top comment, regardless of the vote brigades from SRD and Tardville.

my reason stands.

There is an underwhelming minority of people who are against this AMA to the point that they want a mod's head to roll over it.

What are you talking about? Here's like 7 for you which are upvoted right after the top 2 comments. You and axol are not fit to be mods.

http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2ooful/david_colestein_holocaust_revisionist_filmmaker/cmpogvx

http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2ooful/david_colestein_holocaust_revisionist_filmmaker/cmqz0jx

http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2ooful/david_colestein_holocaust_revisionist_filmmaker/cmr4d7o

http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2ooful/david_colestein_holocaust_revisionist_filmmaker/cmq7guy

http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2ooful/david_colestein_holocaust_revisionist_filmmaker/cmpp3yp

http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2ooful/david_colestein_holocaust_revisionist_filmmaker/cmpyx7h

http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2ooful/david_colestein_holocaust_revisionist_filmmaker/cmpzvyp

No, your links don't even represent what you seem to think they do.

The very first one is disappointed that Cole isn't "holocaust denier" enough.

I think its time we all grow up and stop clicking on links that offend us, then complain about it.

There's a difference when you pin it to the top and force it on the community and ban the dissidents. You are not fit to be mod.

We are advertising an upcomming AMA, this is how we do it. You're welcome to comment in the AMA (when it happens) that you don't agree with something therein for whatever reason.

We can't force you to believe something.

Putting this guy in an AMA here on your own accord, not accepting any displeasure with the decision, and banning users is is pretty forceful.

Advertising an AMA that majority of comments disapprove of.

The top comment can be brigaded. It's irrelevant so don't try that argument again.

The top comment can be brigaded. It's irrelevant so don't try that argument again.

Any comment can be brigaded, so why is your argument any more valid?

Its not anymore valid. In the self post i made titled "Controversial... even for us." you can see an outpouring of support from names that everyone recognizes as regular users of this sub. quite the opposite of the 1-3 month old accounts that seem to want to start trouble.

Case closed as far as i'm concerned.

Enjoy your pitchforks and torches. It won't last long.

What are you talking about? Here's like 7 users for you.

http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2ooful/david_colestein_holocaust_revisionist_filmmaker/cmpogvx

http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2ooful/david_colestein_holocaust_revisionist_filmmaker/cmqz0jx

http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2ooful/david_colestein_holocaust_revisionist_filmmaker/cmr4d7o

http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2ooful/david_colestein_holocaust_revisionist_filmmaker/cmq7guy

http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2ooful/david_colestein_holocaust_revisionist_filmmaker/cmpp3yp

http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2ooful/david_colestein_holocaust_revisionist_filmmaker/cmpyx7h

http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2ooful/david_colestein_holocaust_revisionist_filmmaker/cmpzvyp

You forced that AMA here on your own accord, didn't accept any displeasure with the decision, and banned users & me by abusing power which luckily was reversed. pretty forceful.

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Well I didn't,

But then I got overruled. I am but one mod.

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/bootlicking

Have you seen my self post that hit our front page in less than 15 minutes?

You're out of your league.

Are you trying to intimidate me by confessing you vote brigade?

Do you have anything to add to this conversation that isn't an accusation?

I thought you would be interested to see that the community at large, you know the part that matters, agrees with me and my stance on these things.

No you weren't.

No you weren't.

That doesn't even make sense in the context.

axolotl_peyotl

This guy needs to be demodded immediately. Make sure he doesn't destroy this subreddit or censor it in between making us all look like fucking idiots focusing on meaningless bullshit.

I'm almost ready to give up on this sub. I love conspiracy topics but the non stop anti semitism is really starting to grate. As a jew I'm surprised I made it this far.

This community certainly won't miss a verbally aggressive Putin-hater who throws around accusations of antisemitism without any basis.

I'm surprised you admit to being a Jew. Don't you folks like to change your names to something a little more Nordic?

See, that's your problem. You're not open minded and that's because you were born a Jew. You can consider many different possibilities, but as soon as the concept of Jew as oppressor comes up, your mind shuts down. "Anti-Semitism" is a word used to control goyim. You should know this, if you haven't been told outright. If you can't handle Jew-wise discussion, then perhaps you should stop being interested in justice and freedom OR stop identifying as a Jew.

You may have been born to Jews and carry Ashkenazi/Khazar/"Israelite" DNA, which you couldn't control. But you choose every day to continue to identify with Jews. It completely boggles my mind! In today's information age, that is like signing a contract to the Jewish collective guilt day after day. If I were you, I'd drop my ID Cards and make a beeline as far away as I could from this ultimate evil. The elite caste of a few ruling the masses through manipulation of facts, subterfuge and usury is called Zionism... It makes no sense to me! When the truth finally comes out, you don't want to be associated with the men at the end of our pitchforks.

With a name like ButtMunchHitler I expect more from you.

Ahahaha, wow.

axolotl_peyotl is a legend of a mod, we are very lucky to have him!

You handed us a big pile of bullshit with fake Richard Gage. I'm still very focused on your bullshit.

This is about your failure as a mod. This is about accountability.

EDIT I've been banned from this sub

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This thread has been thoroughly brigaded.

The negative scores on your comments and /u/flytape comments are NOT evidence of brigading.

This sub is getting worse and worse every day and you mods seem to be doing NOTHING about the very specific users who MULTIPLE USERS CONTINUALLY CALL OUT.

You know who I'm talking about.

We all aren't stupid.

This is why people are downvoting you and /u/flytape , because /r/conspiracy seems to be under constant attack now by extremely anti-semetic shills ( /u/4to6 isn't even trying to hide it, are you kidding me? Just go to his user page and search for "Jew", it's insane. ), and people who spam content on a daily basis /u/postnationalism has been posting garbage that qualifies as breaking the rules on a daily basis for the past few weeks now.

Nobody is on any "witch-hunt".

/r/conspiracy is under attack, and you all seem to be just sitting back and watching the show.

This is the reason for the downvotes to the mods

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2ooful/david_colestein_holocaust_revisionist_filmmaker/cmrm0zi

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/u/axolotl_peyotl — Are you the same mod who was partly responsible for the Gage AMA and I'm curious if you also put up the huge red hitler poster on the side bar during September around 9/11?

A lot of unfortunate and timely coincidences ...

I think you are subverting the credibility of this subreddit, distracting discussion from the more important issues, and whether it's intentional or not does not matter. Especially since you seem to be interested in the fringe side of conspiracies — (Holocaust, Vaccines) considering your main focus is vaccines.

Funny how you aren't really answering any of the questions about you, your attempt at deflection should be unnecessary and misguided - if you could answer those questions honestly, you would answer those questions honestly - but instead you deflect and redirect. You need to be demodded.

but instead you deflect and redirect

Not even close.

I admitted my hand in the Gage AMA. I shared fault in that debacle, but if anything, I learned from the experience and will be a better mod as a result.

You conconted 1 sentence 'explaining' the fake Richard Gage AMA (we noticed you didn't say fake Gage AMA, but Gage AMA) while you made 11 more sentence structures around a Hitler picture/doc, which was put up the exact same time as /u/thefuckingtoe's stickied post about 9/11 truth (during the anniversary of 9/11).

I didn't raise a stink when it was fairly obvious that the image of Hitler was being used to nope casual browsers right the fuck out of the sub during the 9/11 anniversary. Obvious set up is obvious set up.

If you put as much thought into your willingness to single-handedly ruin the sub through bad mod actions as you do with your brilliant vaccine threads, you'd be a very different mod.

With all due respect, you're a great contributor but a horrible mod.

Edit Proof

Edit2: axolotl, you won't hear a response because I've been banned. I'm sure you know that. Good job modding. Dissenters must be silenced ;]

E3:phrasing

I won't let you down again, just give me the chance to show you.

Start now. Answer my questions from 11 days ago.

1. Would the mods please provide the evidence of 'fake tweets and email documentation'?

2. Why would you guys claim on one hand to have received fake verification tweets, to only state you never received any tweets?

I will remain suspicious of your involvement /u/axolotl_peyotl until I have reviewed the data for myself. I will not blindly accept, and I am cautious of all that tell me otherwise.

This is me calling you out to produce your evidence of being 'duped'.

While I appreciate your response, I would still like some evidence. Would you please provide screenshots of the emails, and mod correspondence?

Both Assuredly and Flytape point to you when questioned about this situation. Reference here and here. Both of these individuals claim to have little to no information regarding the verification and coordination of the Gage AMA.

Assuredly:

The mod who was responsible for coordinating the AMA will certainly elaborate on what proof they were given, and why they believed the AMA to be legit; but I cannot speak for them.

Flytape:

I had nothing to do with this AMA other than policing it for behavior standards. This other mod would be able to answer those questions for you better. I simply don't know.

When you say:

I also was by no means the only mod in correspondence with them.

Who are you referring to?

Thanks for answering the questions about it, then.

The fact that they're so adamant about trying to discredit you is a testament to your contributions here. Keep it up.

Edit: I have been banned by Axol's buddy Flytape... http://imgur.com/cAQJgEb

You pinned this to the top right after 9/11. Great timing. Coincidence? http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2hczx1/adolf_hitler_the_greatest_story_never_told_2013/

I'm curious if you also put up the huge red hitler poster on the side bar during September which got removed?

Are you the same mod who was apart of the botched Gage AMA?

A lot of unfortunate and timely coincidences ...

I think you are subverting the credibility of this subreddit, distracting discussion from the more important issues, and whether it's intentional or not does not matter.

Actually it is.

Very true, back in 2006 it was still 'fringe', but after the Swine Flu fiasco things started to change

Thos is going to be one of the most interesting AMAs anyone is likely to see. How'd you guys manage to pull this off?

Are you going to be extremely zealous in banning/deleting trolls? If not, we're going to be knee deep in shit. Have you considered adding temporary mods just for the few hours that this occurs?

David actually seems pretty enthusiastic about answering the trolls.

The trolls will be even more enthusiastic in brigading and sliding the comment section.

ugdr6424 -4 points 23 hours ago

The trolls will be even more enthusiastic in brigading and sliding the comment section.

Wasn't this comment at +5 yesterday?

It sure was.

Well, here's one of the sources.

I actually visited there last night. There was one comment. Something along the lines of: " they're using holocaust denialism to smear the jewish political power in America." They openly alluded to the Zionazis having great influence in the US.

They weren't joking, and that's why it was deleted/removed. I'd bet a million shekels that it was jidf/hasbara and they did not translate their message correctly.

I shoulda saved it.

I saw a user say the same thing in the r/conspiratard thread that was removed, /u/dogsarepets was his name, and his comment was also removed.

Unless the conspiratard thread was the one you were thinking of, it's been linked here once from there and twice from SRD, AFAIK.

Yeah, you're right. I meant the conspiratard one. Them and SRD have such an overlapping body of users they might as well be one sub.

Yep. There's actually a dataisbeautiful post showing just how big that overlap is.

Lol. Most of the subs in that listmare either for tweens, childish mockery, or both.

One other thing I've always found interesting is that most of the trolls we get in here seem to have comment histories predominantly from nfl, nba, mlb and so forth.

I noticed that too. In the case of /u/Jagula_sector, my best guess is that they think it gives their account history a look of credibility. Or it's because they are just superficial kids with a past-time trolling fetish.

I remember a time when most redditers hated jocks and jock accessories approximately 8-9 years until about 2-3 years ago.. Shows how mainstream it has become.

It was always a hugbox. The topics and sides may change, but always a hugbox.

Well said. The consequence of popularity with this site brings with it some of the worst trolls imaginable.

The people at conspiritard are not shills, the people sucking Hitler's on r/conspiracy would be more likely. The government policy has almost always been to not respond directly to conspiracy theories and the conspiritard people are doign exactly that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxoMqs7iGqk

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Hey I remember that post, excellent culmination of data btw.

Most of the subs on that list don't surprise me in the least, as they are mostly moderated by or associated with the same group of people, but the sub in first place for r/conspiratard makes it crystal clear with the 475 overlap.

That's SubRedditAnalysis, not DataIsBeautiful.

SRA is pretty cool though. For example www.reddit.com/r/SubredditAnalysis/comments/26hu05/rwhiterights_drilldown_may_2014/

Look in second place.

That's SubRedditAnalysis, not DataIsBeautiful.

Well I'm embarrassed.

woooooo 47 users!

probably more like 5 with many puppets.

http://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditAnalysis/comments/2opm0v/rjudaism_drilldown_december_2014/

we have a larger overlap with judaism! so are we racists or jews?

Find out more at 11!

Yeah they've been jumping up and down usually 5 or so points at a time

It's deceptive.

Like Canadian_POG said, is it worthwhile to contact the admins about brigading in this thread or, more importantly, the AMA to come? Have they been given a heads up?

Not really concerned about this thread so much.

Someone should try at least.

Can't say I'm surprised. Lot's of jimmies rustled over this one with that crowd.

Perhaps someone should consult the admins about it, I had the pleasure of knowing that they'd confirmed there was a small brigade from there recently.

It'll be up to all of us here to help with that. Make a note in your calenders; folks, this place will need as much participation as possible...

Hmm, it's at 5am here, that's 2hrs after bedtime ;)

worth remembering that despite his videos and his conclusions in them he does not align himself with the so called "deniers". this could be interesting...

This is what 90% of the people who have a problem with this guy, and people of similar opinion do not get. They think "holocaust deniers" are Nazis, or Anti-Semites. I have listened to many people talk about this subject, with varying degrees of "belief" in the accuracy of the "facts" portrayed by the West about the Holocaust. Generally, the main discrepancy is the fact that PEOPLE AREN"T ALLOWED TO CONDUCT RESEARCH, DEBATES, OR OPEN CONVERSATION ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST, one of the most important events in history. Out of any event in history, this should be the one MOST studied, but instead, it is ILLEGAL in many countries to do so(and frowned upon in the rest). I really don't understand why people are trying to cover this up if there is nothing to cover up. Let people learn, teach, debate, and gather information, like every other event in History(except 9/11 and JFK) so that we can learn from it. Unless one fears the truth, there is no reason to NOT allow open debate(which is all that these people want most of the time). We still to this day revise almost every other event in, and aspect of history. Why make the holocaust the exception? Why did we record this one event in history 100% correct, when time has shown we NEVER get it right the first time, and HISTORICAL REVISIONS are necessary in almost every case as technology, and our ability to piece together evidence increases with time.

exactly, truth does not fear the spotlight.

7 link karma. 1 month account.

all lie ...

guess we will see who is right soon enough huh?

Friend of yours is he? No surprise there. So you recruited this criminal?

What crime did David Cole (aka Stein) commit?

I can see a Libertarian being fine him, or anything. The best you can say about him is he's lying slime. WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO GIVE SUCH AN EVIL ASSHOLE A PLATFORM TO PROMOTE HIMSELF AND HIS LIFE OF MAKING A LIVING FROM LIES!

What lies are you speaking of?

Ask him about these things during the AMA. What are you getting so bent out of shape about? And despite whatever else he's done, his work during the 1990's was great and incredibly important with regards to getting people to question the mainstream narrative of WWII in modern times.

Yes we both have penises so we naturally, and without ever having spoken to one another, are friends.

I hope he answers about this:

“So what’s a knowledgeable but disgraced Holocaust revisionist to do? Play both sides. And make some decent scratch. I created two pseudonyms – one to sell books and videos to Holocaust studies departments around the world, and one to sell books and videos to revisionists.”

• David Cole, Republican Party Animal

Chapters 7-8 as reported by Friedrich Töben

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6 link karma. 29 day account.

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oooooh burn

What's the question?

If you have to ask, you're not really understanding the above poster's words.

Well...yes. People typically ask questions when they don't understand something.

All 6 of them?

I hope he answers about this.

The rest was a quoted portion of Cole's book, which includes an answer!

Don't be facetious Jeffrey.

*she actually says, "Don't be fascist, Jeffry."

facetious

I don't know how much more serious I could be.

Question: Why is mod axolotl_peyotl of the Richard Gage AMA fiasco setting up and pinning an AMA involving Holocaust revisionism?

And why are some people who've called for him to step down as a mod being banned?

Yeah. What is going on? I think 3 people have been banned, allie, autobahn, and this guy: http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2ooful/david_colestein_holocaust_revisionist_filmmaker/cmpzvyp

He was overridden by other more sensible mods and they were unbanned.

I too am concerned about two mods, Flytape, and that other one, axolotl_peyotl, who was involved in helping to set up the Richard Gagae AMA, whether he was duped or not. The two of them are like two peas in a pod, and if I'm not mistaken they even speak over the phone on a regular basis.

I think those two mods ought to step down as mods, which doesn't mean that they cannot still participate, just not be mods.

This would help restore the integrity of the leadership of this sub, which right now has problems.

They talk on the phone? Wow

Flytape cusses people out for expressing displeasure about his buddy's post .. Do we really want these types of mods who attack public discourse because of personal connections?

How can he be a mod with that conflict of interest--SEE here.

2 mods should not be so connected considering flytape became so defensive to the point of mass banning users for protesting the topic forced upon them by his buddy. Who let's not forget has been involved in other shady shit.

Why do these mods have the ability to steer r/conspiracy to their personal platform? The community was even up voting the users who were banned.

I think it was flytape who was gushing about his phone conversation with you during the Richard Gage fiasco. Someone said they spoke with you on the phone at length, will have to try to find the post.

Why "lol" what does that mean in this context? I'm not amused.

He's side tracking. Forum sliding. Ignoring the real issues you just brought up. You see it now?

What?

I think it was flytape who was gushing about his phone conversation with you

Are we just making shit up now? Are you sure that you didn't fake the Gage AMA so that you could also be the hero who discovered it was fake so that you could spear head this outrage movement to try and get rid of conspiracy mods?

This all seems too convenient for you.

Nobody on reddit has my phone number, I'm not dealing with being doxxed by a SJW twitter campaign to have my businesses boycotted because I won't delete an offensive comment on the internet.

It would take me too long to look back through the record but someone was boasting about talking with you for over an hour during that Gage AMA fiasco, and they were a staunch supporter.

Do you mean "patently absurd" because it's not true or absurd because it doesn't imply or mean anything?

He supports Judy Wood and is involved in the fake Gage AMA fiasco? What a coincidence.

http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2ooful/david_colestein_holocaust_revisionist_filmmaker/cmrbbsl

Question: what's wrong with this, other than being taboo?

It's irrelevant, attracts stormers, and serves to discredit everything else we discuss here.

Big ups on the irrelevant part in particular.

irrelevant

What is irrelevent? The holocaust is irrelevant?

Let's see.

Good or bad strategy: remove 9/11 doc in September and pin hitler doc with a hitler poster on the side bar right around and after 9/11?

Seems like a bad idea.

Good or bad strategy: host an AMA without verification with a imposter from AE911Truth?

Seems like a major fucked up.

Good or bad strategy: force a holocaust revisionist AMA after fucking up a 9/11 AMA and ban the people who call you out?

Seems like an abuse of power.

These 2 mods have been in the middle of all the BS here above. They need to step down.

Honestly this feels like a /r/conspiratard false flag, so to speak.

Or the people behind conspiratard more like, the warmongering vaccine pushing scumbags who've been trying to destroy this sub for years.

http://i.imgur.com/Hh9oA76.jpg?1

I did it so I'll answer.

They were being huge dicks about it, spamming this unrelated thread with it over and over. And AP made a mistake, non of the other mods caught it either.

There is no need for a witch hunt.

Anyways I got over ruled and they are unbanned now. Thanks for not being a huge dick while asking this question.

WOW how the fuck can someone like you--Especially in a CONSPIRACY subreddit--be trusted with power?! You just banned the people who all had positive up voted comments and played judge jury and executioner.

It CANT be a coincidence you're BFFs with Axolotl_P--the other sketchy mod.

Well this has been fun. Don't burn yourself with that torch.

I share his sentiments to a large degree. You and Axolotl_P are the only mods here who's motives are suspect.

Some among us are very aware and observant where perhaps it can be said that sometimes perfect paranoia really IS perfect awareness.

Please step down as mod along with axolotl_peyotl, for the sake of this subreddit. Thanks.

And thanks in advance for not banning me for making this request.

That's nice.

I won't be stepping down.

That's fine. I just said that you and axolotl_peyotl ought to step down as mods, that's all.

Doesn't mean that you couldn't still participate, just not be mods.

It's just a request based on keen discernment and evaluation.

little soldier army equipped with reddit karma and sophisms, such entertaining value, you should get Gilad Atzmon next!

This sub pins sketchy BS instead of the real provable issues like 9/11 etc.

This junk is subtly subverting the credibility and distracting the new comers.

Seems to be many who agree, but a one mod's opinion overrides them all. This thread has been downvoted to hell

it's only 'sketchy' because it's a topic that seems too taboo to be allowed to be researched, which makes all the information about it inherently 'sketchy' to begin with. It's a cyclical defence.

There's not even a rational reason for this, as there's been much larger, focused genocides through history that aren't taboo to history researchers - which to me makes the taboo of the topic more sketchy than the attempted to validation of it.

If it happened how we're told it has happened, then research should only prove it all the more correct. This is how science progresses, falsification. Falsification is good, if something can be shown to not be accurate, we move closer to the truth of something. If something can not be falsified, we also move closer to the truth. Everyone should be interested in the truth, irrespective of who it offends - and if the truth offends someone, what are they gaining but keeping it in the dark?

I get you're saying that why should it be pinned, thus forced upon the sub - well why shouldn't it? And then why should anything be pinned then? What gives one topic more validity over another. As people have pointed out there's a lot of discussion in this thread about it. I grew up being taught in school that this was 100% what happened, 6 million, only Jews, ect. However, that doesn't seem to be the case, so what else potentially might have been exaggerated?

Edit: Expanded, grammar.

Why are you being downvoted for this comment?

You will learn in time, on Reddit, in practically every Sub, certain groups are above objectivity, honest discourse and critical reflection - but will demand it of everyone else to the point of slander and defamation without empathy or accountability.

It's quite ironic sometimes, to say the least.

Would be nice if you could see total up votes and total down votes to see the true extent of the attempted censorship.

There exists a sub that is 9-11 24/7. This is conspiracy, we are allowed to talk about other things here. We will talk about other things here, and 9-11 does get a lot of play time here as well.!

I get that but there's a huge difference between pinning holocaust topics at the top and forcing it on the community as a whole. It influences over the whole subreddit and pushes skeptics away from here rather than drawing their attention. Didn't you guys learn from the Hitler video/poster pinned during 9/11?

I have had a few friends come here who were actually interested in conspiracies finally, unsubscribe because of these forced topics. It's a distraction and doesn't hold much weight like other topics, they said.

Its an AMA with a researcher who lays somewhere between the two extremes.

Its a topic that comes up VERY often in this sub.

All I hear is another person screaming that we aren't allowed to talk about the Holocaust..

What's next--a Judy Wood AMA?

Would the world end?

Na but your subreddit would continue to divide. Pushing sketchy people in AMAs doesn't help credibility--especially after hosting a fake one with AE911truth.

Thefuckingtoe?

What the fuck??

Edit: and you're a mod? This place is so fucked from the top down. Fucking ironic

Why?

What kind of response is thefuckingtoe? ...

That's better.

I thought you might be him since he is running multiple accounts that always ask this exact question with nearly exact wording.

Or maybe there's legitimate outrage about this topic being forced upon the community and the influence it casts over subreddit considering it's a sketchy AMA set up by the same mods who faked a previous AMA.

Did you really ban those people expressing their grief over this? Wtf

The mods didn't fake an AMA. Some troll did, the mods fell for it.

I banned those people for rule 10. They are attacking people, it was clearly their intent. But I was over ruled... so be it.

Why do you fail to notice the significantly larger number of people who ARE interested in this Cole AMA, why do you fail to recognize the significantly larger number of people who were interested in the Hitler documentary?

Why does your opinion matter more than these people?

Why does this account only show up to harass AP?

Rule 10 does not equate to a ban that quick. You pulled the trigger because you don't like them challenging your authority. Fucking ironic.

Yes how ironic.

Rule 10 is one of the many changes is contributing to the end of this sub. Mods can use rule 10 to ban anybody that dissents so long as they reference a specific person. However, you don't see anybody being punished for violating rule 1. And there are plenty of posts daily that do this. This sub needs an overhaul.

yes if you violate rule 1, you absolutely get banned.

we do not allow the use of racial slurs.

WTF? Would you really consider her for an AMA?

I see no harm in being able to ask someone questions.

Why the move to limit what information people are allowed to see?

She and her work is highly discrediting to the press for 9/11 truth.

Please don't have her on for an AMA, or Jim Fetzer, Morgan Reynolds, David Shyler, or John Lear, for the love of God and everything we hold dear - don't do it. Thank you.

Why are you the one to decide for all of us what this sub is all about?

How come if the community voices their concerns your buddy flytape gets to come in and mass ban?

What is your problem with understanding the importance of credibility? Is it because you have none just like Judy Wood?

He just ignored the debunking link of Judy Wood you posted. Yet was involved in the fake Gage AMA. Coincidence?

the walls of text don't help, and he knows that. too much BS with this guy, he needs to go ASAP.

Do you even look at the vote patterns and top ranked comments or do you just ignore the community and pin whatever trash you can come up with? You get these AMAs because they're fake or unpopular people who would take any offer for the gullible to listen to them. I called Mr. Gage and he said he will never do an AMA since you lost credibility here.

I guess your best friend will keep banning the people who voice displeasure with your performance as a mod. Hopefully those bans will get reversed like they were just recently.

Nice résumé, doesn't change the fact that you're a horrible moderator. The whole point is you HAVE fucked up again—this AMA is a joke. The comments and votes show it. 10 of the 13 top comments voice displeasure and your power here to being misused.

Your 'credentials' may have gotten you a mod position but your work after the fact has shown you are not fit for the job. You disparage Gage, promote Judy Wood theories, all while hosting a fake Gage AMA, on top of pushing Holocaust revisionism with your mod buddy Flytape who bans dissidents from raising questions about your ability to be a mod. Your 'credentials' don't change a thing if your actions speak otherwise—you sound like a politician by citing them as a defense.

You should go back to focusing on contributing your personal research, rather than forcing this whole subreddit to do whatever you and flytape push on us. This isn't sarcasm. You're making us all look bad.

You may have the worst judgment of any conspiracy junkie I have ever witnessed. Judy Wood is a joke. http://www.ae911truth.org/faqs/505-faq-3.html (the same link you ignored from LBJ) I won't forum slide and paste this to overtake the thread, so please click and read it—her theory is perfect disinformation in the 9/11 truth movement. You support her and fuck up the Gage AMA? what a coincidence.

Totally agree it's rediculous how we can have a r/conspiracy sub and talk about 911 but not debate the holocaust with real evidence presented. I'm often baffled at what people's limits are after knowing the US government plotted to kill their own civilians for war money profit in 911 but people think holocaust was totally as MSM historians say or HIV is ofcourse real. People stop using the same logic and become aggressive when they come up against something they cannot possibly think is false from all the propaganda they have been fed when the evidence prove otherwise

It seems there are several levels of cognitive dissonance inbuilt into a lot of people and that those need to be broken one at a time.

By that same logic we should send all the Holocaust revisionism to its own sub instead. It's obvious from this thread that /r/conspiracy regulars are sick of it. Nobody is complaining about 9/11 posts.

I'm not sick of it and I come here regularly I'm looking forward to the AMA as well.

no it isn't that obvious.

The highest ranked comments are in support of this AMA

911 never would have even happened if it weren't for the Jew hoax, merchant.

And the hoax is a worse conspiracy, given that at least 911 did happen - at least buildings blew up.

I have zero back history on this guy, but two minutes of his YouTube announcement have me questioning why we're enthusiastically embracing an attention-seeking ego here? Dude obviously feels he has comedic chops...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRrP7AevKi4

He seems to be treating it as a joke. I watched his AMA video, wtf.

Check this out:

http://holocausthoaxmuseum.com/response-to-david-cole/

I am looking forward to this - much more so after watching the video he posted about it.

I want to urge some caution here, and encourage everyone to read a critical review of Mr Cole's book (by Australian revisionist Dr Töben), in which Cole slanders prominent revisionists, and essentially endorses a bizarre revisionist-lite position on "the Holocaust". (Note how in his YT video he says "deniers" are "crazy as fuck".)

[edit: deleted a couple of quotes from the review after someone pointed out how they took what Mr Cole wrote in his book out of context.]

Filmmaker Eric Hunt's response to Mr Cole, regarding Cole's position on Treblinka-II, is also worth reading. [edit: link to Hunt's latest documentary, just released.]

With that disclaimer, his 1992 documentary was (at the time) groundbreaking, and is excellent viewing for those new to the topic. I expect Mr Cole will have a few interesting things to say about Auschwitz, and the Holoco$t industry. (Just don't expect him to endorse '9/11 Truth'!)

I'd just be far more excited if a "real" revisionist -- someone like Germar Rudolf, or Carlo Mattogno, or Jurgen Graf, or Carlos Porter (or even Eric Hunt) -- were to do do an AMA - perhaps that's something the mods could arrange?

edit: for anyone wanting to read the work of actual publishing researchers, I recommend:

(pdf) Dissecting the Holocaust. The Growing Critique of ‘Truth’ and 'Memory'. Essays.

(pdf) Gas Chamber of Sherlock Holmes - chronology of early rumors, reports, and their development

(pdf) Hoax of the 20th Century - first (?) scholarly work in English, mid-70's

(pdf) Giant With Feet of Clay - a brutal critique of the leading mainstream Holocaust book

(pdf) Treblinka: Extermination Camp or Transit Camp?

(big pdf - 145 mb) The Holoco$t: Made in Russia - reproduces Nuremberg "trial" documents, revealing an astonishing concoction of forgeries, lies and outrageous fabrications

more here: http://vho.org/dl/ENG.html

It's a bit odd to ask people to read someone's opinion of a book rather than the actual book isn't it?

Not really. I read reviews/excerpts before I decide whether to purchase a book or not.

1 month account.

Is this goofball off his/her rocker or what? You used to be a MOD??? Good God please help us.

and Cole lambasts the Canadian legal system for having given Zündel the opportunity to contest the charge that he was “spreading false news”.

That really mischaracterizes what David Cole said about the Zündel trial.

Cole was just noting the irony of imprisoning someone for spreading certain ideas and then allowing that person to mount a huge trial in defense of those ideas thereby bringing them more attention. Cole does resent Zündel to some degree because he considers him a Hitler apologist, but he totally opposed Zündel's persecution.

Cole sums up: “Maybe some Holocaust claims were overstated, but isn’t a little overstatement worth it to fight fascism?”

That is taken out of context. Cole was explaining why that reasoning is not persuasive to him.

Any idea who he is referring to here?

It should also be remembered that it was Australian Revisionist Richard Krege who in 1999 pioneered the Ground Penetrating Radar research at Treblinka, which was partially duplicated by a UK researcher, whose results have, like the Hayward work was, been embargoed for five years.

I know about Krege, but who is this UK researcher whose results have been embargoed? Is he talking about Caroline Sturdy Colls? What is the embargo?

Interesting comments, thanks for correcting Toben's review.

re: the UK GPS study, yeah I'm not aware of another GPS study aside from Krege's and the one done for that British "archaeologist" (she's now in medical school, I think).

Perhaps the work done for her was never released, and that's what he's talking about? Would make sense, as from what was shown, it seemed to confirm the revisionist assertion that there is no evidence of extensive soil disturbance.

I think someone did a study on Sobibor around the same time as Krege and didn't publish anything for several years. Pretty sure he was from Poland though.

Underrated post. I'll also be checking out these links as I never knew this about Cole.

Has this always been his narrative? Or did he change his tune after the death threats he received from the Jewish Defense League?

Hmm... very interesting, thanks for the links - I'll check them out. I hope you'll be there during the AMA to ask for clarification about some of these things.

I think I've got something on during the AMA. Hopefully someone can bring this stuff up.

If you want to type up a question or questions one of us mods will be happy to ask them for you during the AMA - completely up to you though.

Well, what would be ideal is if mods could extend an official invitation to Eric Hunt to come here and put some questions to Mr Cole, (or have them asked through the mods.) Four months ago, this was Hunt's attitude towards Cole -- so it does seem like he has been trying to get Cole to debate:

If he won't debate on the radio, I'm done with him. People can see through his indefensible nonsense. Even he can, which is why he is dodging a moderated radio debate.

Failing a response from Eric Hunt, I would just want you to ask Mr Cole to please respond to the various specific criticisms of his position on the Reinhardt Camps here:

http://holocausthoaxmuseum.com/response-to-david-cole/

[edit: removed second question, seems a bit pointless.]

Why does he (Eric Hunt) need an official invite when he can just create an account and come to the AMA to ask questions? This is a public site and subreddit and he's more than welcome to join us and ask whatever questions he wants.

I just thought that, if he comments as Eric_Hunt (or whatever) there'd be some verification process. <shrugs>

edit: btw, I definitely can't make it to the AMA, could you please ask Mr Cole that question for me?

btw, I definitely can't make it to the AMA, could you please ask Mr Cole that question for me?

Yes, no problem - do you have a specific one or do you just want a response to the link you posted?

How about:

Hi Mr Cole. I really enjoyed your Auschwitz video from the early 90's. I've noticed recently that you're engaged in an argument with Eric Hunt (and others) over the position you've taken on the Reinhardt camps. Would you mind please responding to criticisms raised here:

http://holocausthoaxmuseum.com/response-to-david-cole/

Thanks :)

Okay sounds good my friend - I'll make sure that question is asked.

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6 link karma 29 day account.

Nothing brings out the shill army like exposing the holohoax. I'm glad to see Cole speaking again.

This is great!

"Young courageous Jew turned into alcoholic GOP stooge, claiming Marvel hero status". wow. I thought I had seen it all. what a fucking madhouse the world has become. This is just fabulous.

Why haven't you stepped down as a mod yet?

EDIT I have been banned from this sub.

Agreed. Check my post. http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2ooful/david_colestein_holocaust_revisionist_filmmaker/cmpzvyp

https://i.imgur.com/l0QI628.jpg

Note that their accounts are 37 and 35 days old. Coincidence?

I used to be /u/thefuckingtoe before I was banned from this sub for 3 months.

I've also told you that before. Coincidence?

Edit: proof I've told this person the same thing before

Of course I knew that. I was just wondering how many new accounts you created after being banned.

Always sowing doubt. Interesting strategy.

How many accounts did you think I had when I was /u/thefuckingtoe?

1

How many accounts do I have now because I was banned from commenting on this sub when I was /u/thefuckingtoe?

The answer is 2. /u/thefuckingtoe and /u/autobahn1 ( Big Lebowski references; because you are wrong /u/soverignman and you are an a-hole)

You never got back to me when you accused me of attacking the good sister (as opposed to her batshit theories) and I asked for proof?

E: more proof/phrasing

E2: still no answer why I would be kicked out of /r/911truth for being threatened with doxxing from another user...

Why are you ban evading and openly bragging about it?

Although we'd never report you for such behavior, that is exactly the type of thing that can result in you losing both of your accounts.

Completely understandable for my account to be a red flag, but what I have pointed out with axol should interest you just as much.

He pinned this on top of the subreddit during September. http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2hczx1/adolf_hitler_the_greatest_story_never_told_2013/

Do you really think this type of distraction is a coincidence? Being a mod at 9/11 truth, you know the movement was doing great things the last quarter of 2014, but the opportune time was wasted with this Holocaust stuff. I'm curious if he was also responsible huge red hitler poster on the side bar during September which got removed?

The whole botched AMA with Richard Gage he helped set up was a complete disaster. -- You probably agree. Plus, I've worked with Gage personally, so I take his role in that AMA debacle very seriously.

His main focus is vaccines -- a very convoluted and sticky subject EVEN FOR THE CONSPIRACY COMMUNITY. Having this whole subreddit focus on the Holocaust stuff is like having the whole 9/11 truth movement discuss what happened in Shanksville -- it distracts from the juicier and better proven conspiracies.

I think he has done nothing but lose credibility for this subreddit, and continuously distracted from important/current conspiracies that the sheep are starting to wake up to, which stifles any real progress in the community.

It does not matter whether he is doing it intentionally or not, he should not be a mod IMO.

Edit: I have been banned by Axol's buddy Flytape... http://imgur.com/cAQJgEb

I just found it... curious... that both the /u/autobahn1 and /u/CoincidenceTheory accounts were created immediately after the /u/thefuckingtoe account was banned and that those are the only two accounts that continuously attack mods here, just as /u/thefuckingtoe did.

EDIT I have been banned.

those are the only two accounts that continuously attack mods here

You're speaking a little too loud for a former mod of this sub.

It took little time to find a 3rd person who has demanded justice.

continuously

In your estimation, is asking for continued justice better or worse than quieting down?

Dead 9/11 victims aren't here to hear your answer. I'll listen for them.

Comparing justice for 9/11 victims to an unjustified attack on subreddit mods is going pretty low, even for you.

is asking for continued justice better or worse than quieting down?

Shame me? That's grand.

Why did I bring up 9/11 victims one might ask?

The mod in question decided to "ok" a Hitler movie ( with a brigade's blessing) in early September when there was a nice stickied post about 9/11 truth that would be ignored if not for Hitler's big red sidebar image.

You think I'm low for mentioning those not with us anymore who need justice to be served?

You think I'm low for continuously demanding that a certain mod step down who helped ruin the 9/11 truth movement on reddit?

You aren't thinking. You are defending people that hurt the chance for justice for the dead victims of 9/11.

You are in essence defending the perps. Think about that.

Edit: in /r/911truth, I smacked down Kevin Ryan's bullshit another 19 , susan lindauer's non-story with no evidence, and judy wood

Fuck /r/conspiratard, not like they aren't allowed to game this sub because the /r/conspiracy mods who have chased away a potential real Richard Gage AMA also allow the conspiratards to brigade and fuck with the masses.

a certain mod... who helped ruin the 9/11 truth movement on reddit

IMHO, you've done far more than axolotl to discredit the 9/11 Truth movement.

http://www.np.reddit.com/user/thefuckingtoe/submitted/

The above are my previous posts.

http://www.reddit.com/user/axolotl_peyotl/submitted/

IMHO you chase relevant contributors of 911 truth away which in turn pushes the dead victims of 911 farther away from justice. Plus you are helping to preserve a mod squad that ok'd the fact that real Richard Gage confirmed he will not have an AMA on this sub. Sowing the seeds of doubt

Cheers to the perps and their entourage. And fuck conspiratards too. You all are here to help the perps in a distraction technique pretty obvious to the casual observer. One need not believe in any one conspiracy to see that this sub is gamed.

My thoughts exactly. It's just reddit. But fuck man we tried. I had no idea you were fighting over the same issue with the red hitler poster / holocaust docs. What a coincidence lol

I don't think axol is doing this on purpose, he's just literally the worst moderator anyone could ask for. His judgement is nonexistent. He's obsessed with vaccines, which is fine, and I hope he posts more. But he should NOT be a mod. Some people just aren't fit for it. He offered to step down and he should do so

All of this holocaust revision stuff is not only pointless, but it serves to discredit the whole sub. And rightfully so! This whole sub has been taken over by hordes of accounts that operate at the same times and up vote this garbage in the middle of the night. They chased away all of the subs regulars and even got mod positions, inexplicably. I've been posting in this sub for about 3 or 4 years now and 2 years ago it was much, much different. Obviously not under the same account because my previous account was banned for having a dissenting opinion about the stickied Hitler documentary. What to do? I don't want to bail on the sub but literally everything that gets up voted now (by brigades) is complete fucking nonsense. Rule 1! Rule 8! And fuck rule 10. This sub is 6 feet under.

On a number of occasions when I've seen /r/conspiracy mentioned in other subs people respond with "isn't that the same sub that upvoted a doco denying the holocaust as their weekly pick?"

I have never put much time into investigating the holocaust so I can't say either way but for some reason for me it seems easier to accept that 911 was an inside job rather than the holocaust being fabricated. Perhaps this phenomena has been utilised to discredit this sub for newcomers.

You cannot really censor this subreddit blatantly so subtle subversion is the only way. Mistakes at critical times, or distractions at vitals moments in time. Stuff like the holocaust doesn't hold much weight considering the evidence for it being faked/exaggerated isn't anything like the thousands of documents, videos, interviews, whistleblowers involved with the 9/11 side. The guys setting up this AMA are the ones responsible for faking a 9/11 truth AMA with a group that had spent millions on advertisements that year. The difference in size and credibility of the two people in these AMAs couldn't be farther apart.

The holocaust poster and hitler doc posted you speak of was thrown up during September and overtook the place of a really great 9/11 documentary. This happened around the 15th and was executed horribly. Discredited the sub, turned away new comers, and created a pit of irrelevance at a crucial moment in time. Coincidence?

I'm not autoban1, why can't you speak about the issues I brought up involving axol and his discrediting and stifling progress with all this hitler shit, fake AMAs, constant vaccine and obscure blogs etc? As a mod of 9/11 truth do you really think holocaust revisionists should be a focus here, especially in September during 9/11?

why can't you speak about the issues I brought up

Because they simply are not relevant. Yes, he posts a variety of stuff. This is /r/conspiracy and it's the kind of stuff we discuss here. If you want to limit the types of conspiracy discussions to only those you approve of then perhaps this is the wrong sub for you.

As a mod of 9/11 truth do you really think holocaust revisionists should be a focus here

It's not the "focus". There is no single issue that this sub focuses on. However, it is discussed frequently because many believe the official story is propaganda spread by conspirators.

That wasn't my question. Why did you take it out of context? Odd.

As a mod of 9/11 truth do you really think holocaust revisionists should be a focus here, especially in September during 9/11?

Don't dance around the end please.

I very clearly answered your question. I don't think that holocaust revisionism is a focus here nor should it be. It is simply one of many and I find it very relevant to the "conspiracy theory" goals of this sub. If you're complaining that I didn't answer about the time of year part, then I don't think it makes any difference.

(Sorry for the delay. I've had my computer in the shop for repairs.)

They are concern-trolling hard.

Shoot admins a polite "please look into this" message. They don't take ban evasions lightly.

He wasn't shadowbanned by the admins. Just banned from this sub (and /r/911Truth) by the mods.

Why? I'm genuinely curious

I'm not going to get drawn into this anymore. This is just a huge distraction from the OP. I've said all I have to say on the matter.

What the fuck is all this babble about? What exactly is wrong with this type of AMA? Should we start burning books or can we not talk about certain things?

It's an organized attack from Eglin Airforce Base, they see you as a key figure to remove from here. The real posters here are very grateful to have you here, don't believe a word of it!

Tried and true "concern troll" tactic.

I do find it odd that there are users here trying to kill this AMA and attacking the mods. What are these people afraid off? The only thing I can think of is letting people know the real truth instead of the make up and rammed down peoples throats "false truth" to further an agenda.

Just let people speak and let others decide if its something they want participate in.

All I've got to say is that judging by the comments on this thread this AMA needs to happen, there is an incredible push to keep any if this content from being taken seriously by attacking the mods, ore brigading, and attempts to change the subject completely. Let's do tho guys people need to know the magnitude of the lie old about WW2

Of" vote" this" lies told" Mobil no edit sorry

nice catch. david's work was instrumental in my eyes being opened re: ww2

My first introduction to David Cole came back in ~2000. I was graduating college and was on a recruiting trip with Dell Computer in Austin, Texas. There were maybe 100 other people my age there, so of course we hit up 6th street and partied our tails off - Cole would have been proud at how much I had to drink. I met a little sweetheart from UVA and we ended up in the hotel room for some whatever. After we were finished I put on the tv and somehow ended up on a University of Texas public access channel. What was on but David Cole giving a tour of Auschwitz. I was so enthralled in my post-still-kinda drunken/horny stupor. So it's been a hobby of mine to see what Cole was up to every few years, mostly because it took me back to that night. Of course he vanished after "recanting" (before 2000) but I was overjoyed to see that he was back in 2013 (sorry for his situation though). His book is A+ and I strongly recommend. Can't wait for this. Thanks for helping me get laid, Cole, even if it was indirectly. I owe you a vodka or 2 for that.

1 link karma. Grand total of two posts.

What's the use of having Cole...err, STEIN, on here?

He's a useless piece of shit spreading hasbara for the Shoah Foundation, the JDL, and God alone knows how many other Jewish groups.

Isn't this the same guy that claims that there are 900,000 bodies buried at Madonik in Poland which CANNOT be found with LIDAR or GPR? The same ground that the "Head Rabbi" of Poland (with a New York accent) will NOT let be excavated to FINALLY shut us Revisionists (who have been telling the truth all along) up. Why not??? Could it be because there is nothing to excavate?

This guy is nothing but another cog in the Jewish Holoco$t Ca$h Cow. Ignore him lest you want to hear nothing but lies.

Fair enough - I'm sure someone (perhaps yourself) will ask him about these things and I'll be curious to hear his responses.

Isn't this the same guy that claims that there are 900,000 bodies buried at Madonik in Poland which CANNOT be found with LIDAR or GPR?

You're thinking of Treblinka. Cole doesn't believe anyone was gassed at Majdanek.

He does believe Jews were were sent to Treblinka, Sobibor, Belzec and Chelmo to be exterminated. Here is what he said in his book:

From 1942 through 1943, Polish Jewry was subjected to one of the most brutal campaigns of mass murder in human history. Because of the secrecy surrounding those four extermination camps [Treblinka, Sobibor, Belzec, and Chelmno], and the fact that they were ploughed under and erased from existence in 1943, it’s difficult to be precise about certain details. And we do know that some Jews were sent to those camps as a throughway to other destinations (as recounted multiple times in Gerald Reitlinger’s 1953 masterwork The Final Solution). But, more than enough circumstantial evidence exists to show that for most Jews, the train ride to those camps was one-way, and final.

But that doesn't make him not worth listening to.

David Cole makes a very convincing case that there were no homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz, the most famous camp.

If Cole's view, that Auschwitz never operated as an extermination camp, becomes accepted in the mainstream that would be a huge coup for Holocaust revisionism. And revisionist arguments about the Operation Reinhard camps would have a much better chance of being taken seriously.

Thank you for your kind reply AND for your corrections.

You're right...EVERYONE is worth listening to before I finalize an opinion. Quite unfair of me.

Thanks for pointing this out.

You were right though with hindsight.

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Revisionists want a Messiah to lead them out of the wilderness.

Do they? Heh. Well, anybody who actually knows anything about revisionist scholarship certainly wouldn't be looking for Cole to fulfill this role.

Especially when revisionism has it's Faurissons and Rudolfs. Cole has never published, and his sole contribution is a 20+ year-old video. He's had a difficult time of things, and now he's trying to sell a tabloidy book. There's really not much more to say about him.

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And yet it was Cole who managed to single-handedly put the subject center-stage in the national media.

Single-handedly? Hardly. His video in the early 90's was after the furor over the Zundel trial (mid-to-late 80's) and the 'Faurisson affair' (starting late 70's).

How will the revisionist movement fight the universities, museums and other institutions that have a budget of 100's millions of dollars at their command for their output, with this type of attitude?

Challenging everybody and everything is precisely the attitude necessary to undermine the corrupt institutional propaganda-mythology. Cole doesn't get a pass because he made a video. His position now is ridiculous, harmful to serious revisionism, and deeply suspicious. I still have sympathy for the guy, don't get me wrong, but in his place I wouldn't be engaging in slanderous attacks on people like Faurisson, or attempting to make a bizarre case that the Reinhardt camps are legit. I mean, unless I were under some sort of duress...

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if you're not even prepared to read his material/book to discover first hand what his position is

He has made his position clear on the Reinhardt camps and other "revisionists" (to him "crazy deniers") elsewhere, so I don't have to buy his book to "discover first hand what his position is."

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As far as this book goes, I'm only interested in the serious historical analysis, or observations about the historiography, rather than sentimentality, or gossip, or autobiographical texture. I already know plenty about the tragic persecution of Zundel, and a little about what Mr Cole went through.

Hollywood conservative unmasked as notorious Holocaust revisionist

Laws against Holocaust denial

Toben's Arrest - New Assault Against Free Speech

Its gonna be a good day today! Thanks everyone for supporting this AMA. The truth is more important then coverups and made up stories.

The top comments show no support for this thread or it's hosts.

you guys are way too obvious in your cheating, it's quite convincing but probably not the way you meant

I'm in support of the truth instead of all the lies that been rammed down peoples throats. The Internet will save everyone!

http://i.imgur.com/Hh9oA76.jpg?1

Well this should be good.

I feel there's already a bit of brigading going on, comments that are pro-research but still remaining unbiased are still being down-voted.

Is the AMA to be here in /r/conspiracy?

Yup. Its gonna be a wild ride for sure. The rabbit hole is opening!

How about the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people by the ancestors of those who suffered the holocaust, any obvious lucid similarities you care to postulate upon?

Please show proof that Martin Gilbert's Opus "The Holocaust", is a fraud and false history.

Oh yeah! Its time!

I'll bring the popcorn.

Someone ask Mr. Cole-n-Stein if he thinks we should be talking about 1933 to 1945 when the stigma and poison of taking that on are going to detract from the full frontal attack that r/conspiracy could be waging against the lies about torture and rendition that is the modern day Nazi state that we actually are living through right now.

Ordinarily, I am all for historical criticism of whether it was 5.2 million killed or 6 million killed. That's all very interesting. But right now, we have real live Hitlers running this country, and we should be talking about that. Guantanamo, all the rendition centers, lets talk about that.

Uh..you know you can ask him those questions yourself once the AMA starts, right?

Yeah, if I was going to be home. Just got back, and he had already signed off.

edit:

9/11 was a bunch of murderous Muslims.

oh. that's pretty pathetic. he's got to have his head in the sand.

Sorry, I would have asked that question for you if I had known that. To say the least, his AMA was enlightening to me. I went from being a huge supporter of him to now very much disliking him. Read the AMA thread.

I wish we had Hitlers running this country. Then there'd be a great economy, terrific health care, no immigration crisis, no ridiculous debt, fair wages for all workers, pride in ourselves instead of being an embarrassment, endless wars that have killed millions, no foreign aid while people here starve, true art and talent instead of reboots and cash cows...

My suggestion is to move on from Alex Jones; he isn't telling the whole truth. I was once where you are, then I discovered the truth about National-Socialism.

I don't get it. He faked his death? that should be interesting. How easy is it to fake your death and pop up somewhere else in the republican/nazi machine?

Especially with the ADL attempts to assassinate him.

It wasn't the political well-connected ADL which threatened him. It was the thuggish JDL. The JDL was classified by the FBI as a right-wing terrorist group. The official position of the ADL is very critical of the JDL.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_qHP7VaZE

good news, we can just ask him about it!

The men who have allegedly threatened him (Irv Rubin and Earl Krugel) have already died in prison.

like what? he paid off a 'hitman'? this guy is a career liar, why would we believe anything he says?

You've clearly never even watched the video of his first trip to the concentration camp. It is purely factual and well documented. It speaks for itself.

Even if he did sordid things later in life, which he didn't, it doesn't change his body of work. Can you link me to proof that he is a career liar?

his entire career is based on lies. I wouldn't trust a word he said. more, I'd be inclined to think the opposite is true. How honest is faking your death, using an assumed name, infiltrate holocaust organizations etc... sounds like a troll to me, but I'll ask him myself.

spot the adl guy

So you cannot provide any links? Thought so.

That's one reputable opinion.

Well, just listen to Irv Rubin and Earl Krugel. Both men were members of the JDL and were later arrested on terrorism charges. You can see their hartred in this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&amp;v=45pf2os5kXQ#t=508

Irv Rubin comes across as a Mafia boss.

Do you believe that the Holocaust, as it is known in the mainstream, was created by the Zionist to further their agenda?

Your account is too new - I've approved your comment.

Note that this isn't the actual AMA though but is rather an announcement thread for it.

here's is some links that adds to David's position https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhFRGDyX48c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRZSzdQuOqM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4Q96i6iMv0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DflPqCxLw9s

Sounds very interesting as I just watched his two part interview of dr piper on youtube. The "facts" and evidence we are taught at school is a joke!

This AMA is sure to be a gas, which was only truly used to get rid of parasites. (from clothes, bedding, hair, and the white European nations)

This seems pretty hyped up - which is odd considering the topic. Revisionists don't get your hopes up- David Cole has a history of profoundly disappointing everyone he is involved with: girlfriends, the republican party, Michael Shermer, the JDL, and revisionists.

Oh no he disappointed the republican party?!?! And he disappointed Shermer the squirmer, and the JDL?!?! Gaahh! What a bad person! /s

Add the "Tinbergen Archives," and "Friends of Abe" to the list of the profoundly disappointed.

This thread has been linked to from elsewhere on reddit.

• [/r/conspiratard] /r/conspiracy: &quot;David Cole/Stein, Holocaust revisionist, filmmaker, and author will be hosting an AMA on Thursday, December 11&quot;

• [/r/european] David Cole/Stein, Holocaust revisionist, filmmaker and author of &quot;Republican Party Animal,&quot; will be hosting an AMA on Thursday, December 11, from 8-10pm EST in /r/conspiracy

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2VhB7vaZI0

Who has written more than ArchaeologyDalek has. Who has actually published a book, not a 100 dollar cracked.com article.

Feels?

This is gonna be good, I can feel their Jimmies being Rustled already!

"What are you, some kind of anti-semite??" realizes he's Jewish..."ohh, uhh you self-hating Jew!"

Seriously though, have you done research on the link between Prescott Bush and the Nazi Regime? Thanks!

ADD: Also, do you fear for your life after resurfacing, and what are your opinions on 9/11, especially the Mossad side of it?

This isn't the actual AMA.

Stay tuned on the 11th!

LMAO.... Over the top bio. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1783655/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm

I thought this dude was a holocaust denier, or is that bio all tongue in cheek? lol

Look him up and there's your answer.

I would suggest refraining from using activist rhetoric as portrayed in the media like words as "denier."

"never forget" 9/11 is the benchmark and if it cannot be answered to soberly, then he's a fool or a liar.

edited sorry but i have an account i use to use r/mma, i logged in with that by mistake, i was trying to reply as u/nowordorder as above to axot.. peyo. er whatever... sorry bout that no harm or deception intended. thanks, and to show good faith, my real name is mark, im tall and sexy too ;) again my humblest apologies.

First off, don’t ban me bro…. I mean well, I swear on my nuts.

Secondly, theres no dichotomy for me bud. truth is not encapsulated within a pet peeve, or personal mission, its is a continuum therefore a perpetual struggle. How a person genuinely interested in truth could not be compelled to investigate 9/11 while claiming to be compelled towards purifying corrupted and manipulated narratives defies a rational explanation, at least I cannot think of one, maybe you can enlighten me.
It would be like a self-professed “compassionate healthcare professional” devoting his life to eradicating and understanding the Spanish flu and not being at all inspired to investigate cancer, that is, If the aim is to improve health . Caring only about Spanish flu doesn’t mean he cares about health, it means he only cares about Spanish flu.

While mr. a.k.a. can talk and care about whatever he wants, and I support him this unalienable right, he cannot claim to be about “the” truth inside of self-imposed artificial boundaries when “the” truth extends into the rest of time and space, this is why to me 911 is a benchmark for a “truther” of any tilt. And for that argument that is quite surely bubbling up into your gullet right now, one can still have other pursuits beyond the study of 911 and otherwse. One need not have to understand differential equations and lock themselves into a dungeon to be able to understand how pathetically obvious it is that the “official” story is an outright and bold-faced lie.

The evidence is so available and reliable and much of the compositions of such so convenient and well worn, that the path to the obvious is practically a laser straight pristine 4 lane highway leading right to Washington dc, passing by every major media outlet rest stop on the way and slamming into the first floor of pentagon (leaving the lawn unscathed of course). While it can be logically inferred that the back roads may squirrel around into the enclaves of foreign ministries, like those of Israeli or Saudi Arabian composition, and surely more to come, step one is the most indispensible. and that is to finally show the dumb-massed droned-out idolaters of what is sarcastically referrd to as the beacon of freedom and justice, and incidentally that pay the bills and fill the graves for this demonic process, that, “YES, BRO’S N HOES, IT IS POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO BE LIED TO ON A MASSIVE SCALE!! Your heroes are not for you, you are for them, and the ultimate truth of truths for the foundation of a civilized evolved humanity is that war, deceit and suffering are not caused by religion, nor nationhood, nor skin color, or any other contrived team sport, it is and has been caused by “leaders” and our slack-jawed trust of them. the only thing you need to lead you are your basic intellectual faculties invigorated by literacy and self-esteem.

Learn to read/communicate and respect yourself, everything else will fall into place, believe me hehe.

You wanna hear my conspiracy theory brother (or sister?), we are being sigh-opped(sic), its gladio z, the final strategy of tension. The use all of these disparate poster-bored issues that are currently wallpapering the halls of justice. That’s why we have wikileaks taking a leak all over our faces, and Edward snowjob making us snow blind, wittingly or otherwise, doesn’t matter, they serves a purpose otherwise they would be deader than henry kissinger’s dick. They and other the glut of truth-spammers are there to add more and more odd-shaped and incongruent objects, real or imagined, for us to juggle until we’re overwhelmed and it all falls down upon our, and eachothers’ heads, keeping us confused, distracted and exhausted, and ultimately separated from eachother, rather than in pursuit of the most important, available and powerful goal, the one thread that weaves all of the perpetraitors into one giant fabric, the one mega lie all of the alpha’s agree on perpetuating and thereby tipping their hands as co-conspirators. It is the one major wind that waves all of the other false flags, justifies and enables all of the other necessary evils, i.e., the war on terror, torture, secrecy, invasion of privacy, scientific/professional fraud, media public manipulaton, etc etc. but by far the most devious and long-standing charade.. . that our alphas love “us,” and are critical to our development, security and happiness.

911 is the guy fawkes mask of our era, the barret .50 cal (with an acog scope) head shot of our time, ultimately our modern day m.o.a.b. the mother of all bonds. all of this impact wrapped in a nice neat convenient package, that is easy to understand, that affects us all, evin da far’ners, and all you have to do is harp on it to your friends and fams, and whoever else, do not deviate, don’t confuse them with crisis actors and ufo’s, that will all come out later. but don’t let them rest, use the tools of the trade, repetition and nagging, until they will finally sit down and look for themselves, then sit back and watch as they stop drooling over o’bomba, or hellary or shill maher, etc. And the irony is that solving the crime is not even that important in the short run, its about exposing the underlying lyingy lying lies and lyingly liars that keep them mesmerized and ineffectual. all you have to do is prove that 9/11 was a lie, and they all fall down like the toy soldiers they are.

So like I said IF this guy says he doesn’t understand the power and prescience of 9/11, and judging by the last decade, how could you not, then he’s an idiot or a liar. I can see no excuse for ignorance in an information age.

TLDR; the most important information is that which is most empowering and relevant, which dispels the most falsehood and to me, currently theres no other truth that can as efficiently nuke and sink the politico-media armada of treachery and deceit as instantaneously as 9/11 truth. And if I may quote Michael brown’s ever-so eloquent step-dadsta, “BURN THIS BITCH DOWWNNN!!!” (repeat chorus)

Thanks, I love you guys, I really do. Peace

Oh and btw, axltotl peylopty, I really do enjoy your posts, they are very relevant and engaging, I shudder to think of your impact if you really pushed for the exposition of… dare I say it again..?? /jamesearljonesvoice/ “911 TrRrRruuuutthhhh /jamesearljonesvoice/ peace bro (or sis).

p.s. hturt119

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TKK6d3-h2U

hehe

but seriously, thanks... im sorry i know i can over do it sometimes, and believe me that post took its toll on me too, my toes are killing me

peace and salutations, like i said, i love to research all types of stuff for knowledge and insight, and you def serve a great buffet, keep it coming.

oh thanks, for the cake

The whinetrain... it is coming haha, fantastic job!

More holocaust denial. Someone is using this crap to try to destroy /r/conspiracy and I've decided even axolotl_peyotl is part of it or dumb enough to let himself be manipulated into involvement.

And for every good mod we end up with a couple of unknown moles to balance them out.

Funny we can't get a real AMA with Gage but no problem getting some Nazi holocaust denier/republican criminal to make us look bad. Maybe you can find a serial killer next.

Of all the real conspiracies in the world this crap is what you come up with. Gonna put Hitler in the sidebar again just to make sure everyone knows we are Nazis!

Why do you get decide what's a big deal and what's not? This AMA is a disgrace.

Especially after your fake Gage AMA, admitting to posting the red hitler poster in September, and now responsible for 2 holocaust revisionism stickies, one of which took the place of a 9/11 doc right around 9/11.

Your friend FlyTape banned me for expressing my concerns, along with other users. You guys' actions as mods are the epitome of what we are trying to fight against. Resign. Feel free to post your vaccine stuff, just stop forcing fringe conspiracies on the front page while censoring public upheaval about it. You are here to moderate, not steer and influence subscribers.

I'm curious, fellow intellectual, do you feel the same way about Strasserist Nationalist-Socialism?

What do you think of Hitler's 16-point plan for the resolution of the Danzig/corridor issue?

If "Hitler" had been trying to "take over the world" in 1939, don't you think it's a bit strange he hadn't ordered the production of long-range strategic bombers, etc?

Edit: Oh, and obviously I'd be interested to hear your take on the Geneva disarmament conference. Why was France so keen to sabotage proposals that other European powers follow Germany's lead and actually comply with their Treaty of Versailles obligations?

Do you think that any of these people have heard of "The Bromberg Massacre"--which pretty much forced Hitler's hand with the Polish Jews? When the Jewish partisans hear Hitler's army was coming through to rescue these Germans they killed 6,000 Germans wholesale. On one day. Cut babies out of wombs, raped and then blew out the women's brains, and killed every male between infancy and adulthood.

No trial.

No ceremony.

Just shot in the backs of the head to fall into mass graves.

They were killing ethnic Germans for no reason. Hitler tried diplomacy MANY times...in the end an invasion was the only thing left to do to save his people.

Sorry people. Truth strikes again.

So, yeaaaah, I think what /u/axolotl_peyotl put up was quite significant...and the movie even more enlightening.

Just because we're Jewish doesn't mean SOME JEWS collect "sins" like boys collect baseball cards. It sure seems that way though. Shame.

Right. The Bromberg atrocities took place right after the German attack began. But before this, there were also countless accounts of atrocities - the "Polish" media began a hate campaign against NS Germany and Germans within Poland, increasing in intensity after the British guarantee in 1939, (after which it became fairly clear that the British-US-French-Polish strategy was to provoke Germany into making the first move.)

Plenty of ethnic Germans were forced to abandon their possessions and flee Poland. It wasn't just ethnic Germans that were persecuted, but other minorities too - Ukrainians especially - and also a lot of Jews chose to emigrate to Germany in the 30's.

With a 30-35% minority-ethnic population, a tradition of xenophobia, and an aggressive, nationalistic regime, when the country was formed in 1919, there was also a Minority Protection Treaty created, which was officially abandoned in 1934. Poland was basically seen as a bit of a rogue state back in those days.

“Poland wants war with Germany and Germany will not be able to avoid it even if she wants to.”

• Polish Marshal Rydz-Smigly as reported in the Daily Mail, August 6th, 1939

Nazi. There's a sub for such as you. Why not go there.

He makes fair points. Knowing your shit does not mean you subscribe to it as your personal philosophy.

You're out of your depth here, babe.

I feel he's promoting Nazism. This isn't /r/history. It's /r/conspiracy. He's trying to whitewash Nazism and Hitler. Now, even if I wanted to do that, which I don't, it would take a lot real research with original materials, not a quick google search. Just to start I'd have to learn German. The very idea of whitewashing them is not just morally repugnant, it's ridiculous. But there have been a lot of people who did that research and never found any justification for Hitler's actions. Or at least none anyone with any morality would accept.

Why do you have such an overly emotional response towards an honest discussion about a topic? This is /r/conspiracy. Nothing is off the table for discussion.

Hypothetically, if someone were able to find all the documents necessary to show the world a contrasting view of history? All the documents prove that Hitler was a cool dude and everything else was wartime propaganda.

Would you still cling to your beliefs or admit you were wrong?

So you're a Hitler lover too.

Let's see, who supported Hitler? Parts of the American plutocracy because they loved Hitler's attacking and murdering communists, socialists, democratic socialists and trade unionists, the first people he had arrested, imprisoned, tortured and killed. The editor of the arch conservative Readers Digest even let slip during WWII that he hoped Hitler won.

Who might want to rehabilitate Nazism now? The CIA and American plutocracy so their support for Ukrainian neo Nazis would be less controversial.

Yeah, I see what you are.

the first people he had arrested, imprisoned, tortured and killed.

Lol. By 1939 there were 10,000 people in the concentration camps. Most of them were criminals. In a country of 60 million. Hitler made it a rule that police couldn't carry clubs, as they had in the Weimar period -- how's that for a "terror state"?

Hitler nationalized the trade unions, because union leaders were corrupt, and influenced by Moscow. He enacted workers rights reforms, and social welfare reforms the likes of which we can only dream of now in Western nations. Workers and farmers were the main supporters of the NSDAP. It was a socialist party, "true socialism" as they said, and indigenous to Germany unlike internationalist Bolshevism.

Who actually financed the NSDAP? It's possibly too complex for you to be interested in, but just in case:

www.inconvenienthistory.com/archive/2011/volume_3/number_3/demystification_of_the_birth_of_the_nsdap.php

So, your answer is "no". Got it, shiksa.

I'm actually not a Hitlerian - or even a Strasserist.

Did you know you can have National Socialism without the Fuhrer principle, or without the racial ideology? Weird, eh? There were also nationalist-socialist political movements elsewhere in Europe before the 1920's...

You're not selling anything here with that one month account. Try the conservatives. They're already half on your side.

Listen, if you'd like to actually critique something I've said, that would be fine, but simply pointing out the age of my account is irrelevant.

Try the conservatives. They're already half on your side.

Not really, as I'm a paleo-liberal.

But even if I were a 1930's nationalist-socialist, the "conservatives" wouldn't be on my "side" unless there was a threat of Bolshevist revolution.

Stop with the patronizing. What you're selling, I ain't buying.

You're bringing exactly nothing to this conversation.

And what I'm bringing - informed historical perspective - I'm giving away for free.

You're selling Nazism. Not many will buy.

Its painfully obvious you don't even understand what "Nazism" (Hitlerian nationalist-socialism) was. It's just the designated enemy of your illiterate ideological worldview.

Why the fuck are we discussing national socialism in the conspiracy subreddit when there are far more pertinent and pressing issues to discuss? This is all a big fucking waste of time.

It's worth discussing primarily because it's deeply misunderstood, as is the associated history, due to a conspiracy to falsify and mythologize history by the victorious governments and international oligarchy.

Mostly I brought it up because somebody started talking about "Nazis", trying to imply that anybody who is critical about "the Holocaust" is one -- by which she presumably meant a right-wing, racist authoritarian. (Whereas nationalist-socialism is left wing - or third position - and doesn't necessarily need to be racist or authoritarian.)

Then by the same token why is everyone who is critical of this AMA immediately called JIDF shill? It works both ways. Also hate to break it to you but literally all of history is written and rewritten. It's all fiction! Unless you saw it yourself it's fucking fiction you read from a book. The sheer volume of anti-Jewish rhetoric thrown around by dummy accounts on this subreddit is reason enough to NOT include this kind of AMA. Speaking of which, why the fuck is a subreddit devoted to the critical discussion of conspiracies hosting an AMA? And if we are to follow through with hosting an AMA why include one on such a polarizing and frankly POINTLESS topic to discuss? Why don't we talk about all the other instances of revisionism in the world? Why is it always JEWS this JEWS that? It's cause this sub is being gamed and you all fucking know it. The mods are in on it

Then by the same token why is everyone who is critical of this AMA immediately called JIDF shill

Not by me they're not.

literally all of history is written and rewritten. It's all fiction

Heh. Okay, well... that's a very extreme position to take. History is constantly revised, not all historiography is equal, and institutional power plays a big role - but the quest to work out the truth of the past is not entirely futile. I think it's completely necessary to get a clearer view of the world today.

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Hi,

Sorry to inform you that your account has been shadowbanned by the reddit admins. I don't know when this happened or what you did to draw their ire, however I will approve your comments or submissions if I see them around the boards that I moderate.

The only option you have at this point with regards to recovering your account is to send a modmail to the admins via /r/reddit.com

Amazing to have such a hero here. I know there's a lot of controversy about allowing the Jewish people to have roles of authority in conspiracy circles given the past disinformation disaster... and I may have agreed even a few months ago. But the way I see it, the Holocaust is such a transparent lie the only thing standing in the way are Jews and white guilt. He goes a long way to fighting that. He should be immortalized as a martyr for the White race.

Amazing to have such a hero here. I know there's a lot of controversy about allowing the Jewish people to have roles of authority in conspiracy circles given the past disinformation disaster... and I may have agreed even a few months ago. But the way I see it, the Holocaust is such a transparent lie the only thing standing in the way are Jews and white guilt. He goes a long way to fighting that. He should be immortalized as a martyr for the White race.

...no antisemitism or white supremacy here folks...

JIDF please.

So pointing out antisemitism makes me JIDF huh?

Yeah pretty much. Kind of the same way that discussing crimes perpetrated by Israel makes someone antisemitic. That's how it works, isn't it?

Kind of the same way that discussing crimes perpetrated by Israel makes someone antisemitic. That's how it works, isn't it?

No, it's not. But thank you for confirming that you think all people who oppose antisemitism must be Jewish shills.

No, that fact that your account has been created for the sole purpose of rooting out "antisemitism" makes you a Jewish shill.

SweatyBollocks :

I'm starting to think that there may be legitimate reasons for Jews being historically persecuted.

Huh.

Menachem Begin:

Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves.

Huh.

Or maybe it's an account used by Hasbara to try and make people feel weird and uncomfortable, and then divert the discussion away from the subject and towards the canard of "antisemitism".

Isn't that an antisemetic conspiracy theory in itself?

Why is it so hard to understand that people who believe that all European Jews all got together to lie that their families died in concentration camps might also think that all Jews are bad people (aka. antisemitism)?

So you're saying that it is another set of Jewish lies and schemes to associate Holocaust revisionism with antisemitism? That's just another thick layer of antisemitism.

Why is it so hard to understand that people who believe that all European Jews all got together to lie that their families died in concentration camps

The thing is, it's not so much a lie as a rumor that got supported by Allied propaganda. Read this book:

http://www.vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres5/crowellholmes.pdf

BBC was broadcasting the rumor back into Poland starting in 1942. They even dropped leaflets telling people that it was definitely happening. If you watch "survivor" accounts, they mostly seemed to believe it. (Need I point out that no genuine "survivor" ever saw a gas chamber?)

But, I can also understand angry-confused-vengeful people, having been locked up in those camps, lying and exaggerating "to make the Nazis pay", especially when encouraged to do so by Soviet commissars, Allied propaganda officers, or Jewish Nuremberg prosecutors/investigators.

Considering the inconsistency and physical implausibilities of pretty much all alleged witness testimonies, when read in their totality (i.e. what's left out of the mainstream history books) -- plus the lack of any documentary or forensic evidence which proves gassings, this is the most obvious explanation. (Not to mention the showtrials, government announcements, newspaper articles - etc - which gave the rumor the veneer of Official History.) I mean, it's hardly unthinkable that governments might conspire to lie about their enemies, and take the attention off their own heinous war crimes...

But 6 million Jews did die and millions more lost everything. 90% of Polish Jews ceased to exist after the war. There were like 3 million Polish Jews. That's not exaggerated. It's not war propaganda. My grandparents lost their own families and friends to genocide. The deliberate and targeted killing of Jews because they were Jews.

Glad u keep trying

Wrong. Racism is about caring about the color of someone's skin or country of origin. I care about their moral character and what forces shape it. IE. Judaism/Zionism/Saturnism... It's all the same.

spot the troll

ps username

Spot the antisemite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0kWAqZxJVE

Pathetic excuse. Antisemitism is still very real, as you well know.

nope, i am an antisemitism-denier

nobody hates jews for being jews

have you seen a jewish made documentary called "defamation" ?

you should investigate...

nobody hates jews for being jews

top kek

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Does being a "holocaust denier" intrinsically make someone an anti-semite? Is this how it works?

"I disagree with your interpretation of a historical event that happened 70 years ago"

"Then you sir are a bigot"

I don't deny the holocaust at all but I believe people should have a right to do so. I don't see a problem with it. Unless they're advocating killing or oppressing Jews or claiming Jews are inferior or something I don't think questioning the holocaust makes them necessarily anti-semitic.

Related: Palestinians are Semites, yet anti-Palestinian bigotry is not considered 'anti-semitism'. Why is anti-semitism considered bigotry solely against Jews?

It's the fact that they ignore the facts of one of the most well-documented events in history that makes people angry at Holocaust deniers. It's incredibly disrespectful to the families of victims.

Being a Holocaust denier means that you are more willing to take the word of the KKK and Stormfront over the thousands of historians who produce the evidence of what actually happened. So yes, being a Holocaust denier makes you a bigot.

You're already outraged and nothing has even happened yet.

Maybe hold onto some of that for the actual AMA itself and channel it into asking David some hard hitting questions.

You're already outraged and nothing has even happened yet.

He's been carefully conditioned to react exactly like that.

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_Industry

The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering is a 2000 book by Norman G. Finkelstein in which he argues that the American Jewish establishment exploits the memory of the Nazi Holocaust for political and financial gain, as well as to further the interests of Israel. According to Finkelstein, this "Holocaust industry" has corrupted Jewish culture and the authentic memory of the Holocaust.

It's really sad.

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I said you were outraged because you seemed outraged. Nothing more, nothing less.

So anyone who disagrees with you, and points out your obvious bullshit is outraged?

When did you disagree with me? You commented about David without his having said or done anything to you. What obvious bullshit of mine did you point out? You aren't even making sense.

Life must suck for you.. Kinda of reminds me of a feminist.. Remember obvious bullshit is still bullshit :)

My life is okay thanks. What's my "obvious bullshit"?

People who use profanity to dismiss others are undeniably outraged.

I hope that you seriously take some time to reflect on why you've reacted this way.

Outrage denier!

you sound mad dude. You should ask why does it need to be six million, what if it 2 would it matter.

You remind me of a feminist.

My sides!

18 day old Hasbara account, please.

He's actually a Jew. Which I thought everyone knew, but apparently not.

Jews can be Holocaust Deniers; the two are not mutually exclusive.

Define "Holocaust Denier". Right now.

Then we'll have something worthwhile, instead of worthless, to talk about.

the belief or assertion that the Holocaust did not happen or was greatly exaggerated.

Alright. Now, define "Holocaust".

destruction or slaughter on a mass scale, especially caused by fire or nuclear war.

Just pulling these from google. Not sure how that matters though, saying the holocaust was "greatly exaggerated" falls under denial and that's what cole does and what generally happens in the anti-semitic conspiracy theories. I don't think I've met many people who flat-out think zero Jews were killed. That would just be baffling and not even worth discussing.

Antisemitism is a misnomer. It's an ad hominem attack.

Regarding "anti-Semitism" as user through_a_ways pointed out in a thread a few months back:

and there are anti-Semites pretend to just have a problem with Israel.

Sure there are, but there are a lot of things that get brandied around as "antisemitic" that aren't necessarily antisemitic at all. Like:

• Criticizing the largely Jewish-run film industry for its "blacklisting" of celebrities who support the Palestinian cause. Recognizing that an industry has a tremendous presence of Jews in it is no more antisemitic than pointing out that the NBA is dominated by blacks is racist.

• Calling out the tremendous influence that Jewish interest groups (AIPAC, ADL, etc.) have on our government

• Holocaust denial. In and of itself, denying the currently accepted version of the Holocaust is not an anti-semitic act. Claiming that certain parts of history may have been exaggerated to further political causes is not a hateful claim. Otherwise, every 9/11 conspiracy supporter would be anti-American by definition.

"Antisemitism (also spelled anti-Semitism[1] or anti-semitism) is prejudice, hatred of, or discrimination against Jews as a national, ethnic, religious or racial group." - Wikipedia

You can hold all of the views above (and many more) without actually hating Jews as an ethnoreligious group. Furthermore, some Jews can be very antisemitic as well, such as some of the Israeli protestors who don't want black Ethiopian/Somalian Jews to share their ranks.

It's not a black and white issue.

Regarding "anti-Semitism" as user through_a_ways pointed out in a thread a few months back:

and there are anti-Semites pretend to just have a problem with Israel.

Sure there are, but there are a lot of things that get brandied around as "antisemitic" that aren't necessarily antisemitic at all. Like:

• Criticizing the largely Jewish-run film industry for its "blacklisting" of celebrities who support the Palestinian cause. Recognizing that an industry has a tremendous presence of Jews in it is no more antisemitic than pointing out that the NBA is dominated by blacks is racist.

• Calling out the tremendous influence that Jewish interest groups (AIPAC, ADL, etc.) have on our government

• Holocaust denial. In and of itself, denying the currently accepted version of the Holocaust is not an anti-semitic act. Claiming that certain parts of history may have been exaggerated to further political causes is not a hateful claim. Otherwise, every 9/11 conspiracy supporter would be anti-American by definition.

"Antisemitism (also spelled anti-Semitism[1] or anti-semitism) is prejudice, hatred of, or discrimination against Jews as a national, ethnic, religious or racial group." - Wikipedia

You can hold all of the views above (and many more) without actually hating Jews as an ethnoreligious group. Furthermore, some Jews can be very antisemitic as well, such as some of the Israeli protestors who don't want black Ethiopian/Somalian Jews to share their ranks.

It's not a black and white issue.

Yes, he is. You can play with semantics and call him a "holocaust revisionist" if you really want, but the two are for all intents and purposes the same thing.

What if I told you that nobody cares about antisemitism anymore because of people like you who force it upon us over the slightest disagreement over Israel, Judaism or Zionism?

Nobody cares!

all intents and purposes

i use this phrase to make something sound factual without having to argue it, it's great tips you are providing here thanks!

Both do the same thing, just to different degrees. But they both portray the holocaust as a big Jewish conspiracy with exponentially inflated death tolls. They are functionally equivalent.

He's a Jew.

Regarding "anti-Semitism" as user through_a_ways pointed out in a thread a few months back:

and there are anti-Semites pretend to just have a problem with Israel.

Sure there are, but there are a lot of things that get brandied around as "antisemitic" that aren't necessarily antisemitic at all. Like:

• Criticizing the largely Jewish-run film industry for its "blacklisting" of celebrities who support the Palestinian cause. Recognizing that an industry has a tremendous presence of Jews in it is no more antisemitic than pointing out that the NBA is dominated by blacks is racist.

• Calling out the tremendous influence that Jewish interest groups (AIPAC, ADL, etc.) have on our government

• Holocaust denial. In and of itself, denying the currently accepted version of the Holocaust is not an anti-semitic act. Claiming that certain parts of history may have been exaggerated to further political causes is not a hateful claim. Otherwise, every 9/11 conspiracy supporter would be anti-American by definition.

"Antisemitism (also spelled anti-Semitism[1] or anti-semitism) is prejudice, hatred of, or discrimination against Jews as a national, ethnic, religious or racial group." - Wikipedia

You can hold all of the views above (and many more) without actually hating Jews as an ethnoreligious group. Furthermore, some Jews can be very antisemitic as well, such as some of the Israeli protestors who don't want black Ethiopian/Somalian Jews to share their ranks.

It's not a black and white issue.

/r/conspiracy is awfully defensive of fascists

Watch his entire Youtube intro that AP provided, before having an emotionally based reaction, please.

This thread has been linked to from elsewhere on reddit.

• [/r/SubredditDrama] /r/conspiracy gets into an argument over its upcoming Holocaust Denier AMA.

^{If you follow any of the above links, respect the rules of reddit and don't vote or comment. Questions? Abuse? Message me here.}

Yep this sub is a fucking shit show now.

Nice comment.

Please leave so it can get back to normal.

Suck it

Lmfao. Well seriously dude, if this sub is so very bad, why are you here to complain about it?

Schrödinger would be very disappointed.

Schrödinger's conspiracy sub: If this place was really such a shit show, would there even be anyone here to complain? I don't think there would be, but there are people here to complain. So we have a paradox (although not really) because of your complaints.

Either your complaints are valid, and there is nobody here. Or your complaints are not valid, and there are a quarter million subscribers with 500-1000 people online at any given point in time.

I think it is obvious that people are here because we offer a unique experience that isn't limited by people like you. So if given a choice between a shit show or no show at all, these people have chosen the shit show.

You're welcome to chose no show at all.

Especially with the ADL attempts to assassinate him.

his entire career is based on lies. I wouldn't trust a word he said. more, I'd be inclined to think the opposite is true. How honest is faking your death, using an assumed name, infiltrate holocaust organizations etc... sounds like a troll to me, but I'll ask him myself.

Well, what would be ideal is if mods could extend an official invitation to Eric Hunt to come here and put some questions to Mr Cole, (or have them asked through the mods.) Four months ago, this was Hunt's attitude towards Cole -- so it does seem like he has been trying to get Cole to debate:

If he won't debate on the radio, I'm done with him. People can see through his indefensible nonsense. Even he can, which is why he is dodging a moderated radio debate.

Failing a response from Eric Hunt, I would just want you to ask Mr Cole to please respond to the various specific criticisms of his position on the Reinhardt Camps here:

http://holocausthoaxmuseum.com/response-to-david-cole/

[edit: removed second question, seems a bit pointless.]

Don't be facetious Jeffrey.

Nazi. There's a sub for such as you. Why not go there.

I'm actually not a Hitlerian - or even a Strasserist.

Did you know you can have National Socialism without the Fuhrer principle, or without the racial ideology? Weird, eh? There were also nationalist-socialist political movements elsewhere in Europe before the 1920's...

I'm not going to get drawn into this anymore. This is just a huge distraction from the OP. I've said all I have to say on the matter.

Well, here's one of the sources.

He makes fair points. Knowing your shit does not mean you subscribe to it as your personal philosophy.

You're out of your depth here, babe.

Its an AMA with a researcher who lays somewhere between the two extremes.

Its a topic that comes up VERY often in this sub.

All I hear is another person screaming that we aren't allowed to talk about the Holocaust..

That's nice.

I won't be stepping down.

The next 10 of 11 posts are literally voicing displeasure with this AMA and mods. After those top 2 posts every top voted comment is against this. Are you really going to try and ignore and ban your way out of recognizing this AMA is junk? You and axol need to step down as mods.

Edit. Well. This is the top comment now: http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2ooful/david_colestein_holocaust_revisionist_filmmaker/cmpzvyp

Snap out of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TKK6d3-h2U

hehe

but seriously, thanks... im sorry i know i can over do it sometimes, and believe me that post took its toll on me too, my toes are killing me

peace and salutations, like i said, i love to research all types of stuff for knowledge and insight, and you def serve a great buffet, keep it coming.

oh thanks, for the cake

Do you think that any of these people have heard of "The Bromberg Massacre"--which pretty much forced Hitler's hand with the Polish Jews? When the Jewish partisans hear Hitler's army was coming through to rescue these Germans they killed 6,000 Germans wholesale. On one day. Cut babies out of wombs, raped and then blew out the women's brains, and killed every male between infancy and adulthood.

No trial.

No ceremony.

Just shot in the backs of the head to fall into mass graves.

They were killing ethnic Germans for no reason. Hitler tried diplomacy MANY times...in the end an invasion was the only thing left to do to save his people.

Sorry people. Truth strikes again.

So, yeaaaah, I think what /u/axolotl_peyotl put up was quite significant...and the movie even more enlightening.

Just because we're Jewish doesn't mean SOME JEWS collect "sins" like boys collect baseball cards. It sure seems that way though. Shame.

Yup. Its gonna be a wild ride for sure. The rabbit hole is opening!