Reminder: Chemtrails will resume tomorrow
9 2014-12-27 by They_Werent_Flares
Before Christmas I posted that Americans would be provided a few "no-spray" days over Christmas. The post seems to have been removed.
Citizens traveled around the country and enjoyed the company of family, without trails overhead.
Regular spraying will resume this weekend. Simply look up and observe the white trails criss-crossing the sky.
When you see them, ask yourself why I was right about them not being around the past few days. Even if they're just harmless contrails. Obviously planes were flying around.
Then ask yourself why they are returning.
I haven't yet seen photographic evidence of trails in the US from the past few days (12/24 - 12/26). If you have any, post them here. Interestingly, we've seen them in other countries.
67 comments
4 BoX_xedUp 2014-12-27
What do you think the reasoning is? Maybe they had the holiday off just like us? That's interesting though.
0 oblivioustoobvious 2014-12-27
I'm curious as to why chemtrail believers think that the spraying is occurring as well. I believe spraying happens but I am not certain why. The most realistic answer that I have heard is that it's to reflect sunlight back to lessen the impact of global warming.
-1 They_Werent_Flares 2014-12-27
That is the honeypot. The real reason is that it's poisoning humans and deterring their ability to provide food for themselves.
5 oblivioustoobvious 2014-12-27
I have a difficult time subscribing to such a sinister thought but am aware it could be possible. Any links you could share for me to expand my knowledge on the topic?
2 Wert4 2014-12-27
And yet nobody has tested them...
1 They_Werent_Flares 2014-12-27
Tested the trails themselves?
2 Wert4 2014-12-27
Or through the use of a third party lab.
4 [deleted] 2014-12-27
I have driven from coast to coast in the last few days and the last that I saw were on the 22nd (IIRC)??
I even mentioned it to my wife yesterday just before dusk near Chicago. She thinks that they're simply spraying at night since we DID see one starting JUST as the sun went down yesterday--almost above the cirrus which would put that airplane VERY high. Most Chemtrails are spread super-cirrus lately.
SOURCE: Business and commuter-jet pilot 12 years, first officer 3 years, have my own Socata turboprop. I know the difference between contrails and the SHIT they've been spreading...both literally and figuratively.
1 Wert4 2014-12-27
What's in a "chemtrail" that gets sprayed way up there?
1 They_Werent_Flares 2014-12-27
Thank you for posting.
3 20141220 2014-12-27
tomorrow as in Saturday the 27th or Sunday the 28th?
1 They_Werent_Flares 2014-12-27
Sorry, read it as "Will resume this weekend", as in after the Christmas holiday celebrated in the western world.
Where are you?
EDIT You're in the UK. I am only honing in on American spraying. I really need to gather a network to observe the global picture.
2 immG11 2014-12-27
Why do you think they didn't spray the past few days?
-1 They_Werent_Flares 2014-12-27
My hypothesis is that Americans spend more money when they are happy, and a sunny day, free of chemtrails, provides incentive to consume
2 Gr8PiCs 2014-12-27
They did not stop where I am.
0 They_Werent_Flares 2014-12-27
Where are you located? Please provide photos.
1 oblivioustoobvious 2014-12-27
I noticed a contrail today.
For the past week, almost two weeks, it's been overcast where I live. Depressing but "at least it's not the snow we normally have". Beginning yesterday the clouds cleared and today I noticed a contrail.
I say contrail because it disappeared in short time rather than dispersing and becoming a cloudy haze throughout the sky.
Tomorrow I'll be looking.
1 Wert4 2014-12-27
Contrails can also disperse and become a cloudy haze.
-1 oblivioustoobvious 2014-12-27
I can fly.
0 Wert4 2014-12-27
What?
1 oblivioustoobvious 2014-12-27
What what?
0 Wert4 2014-12-27
You said "I can fly." Why?
1 oblivioustoobvious 2014-12-27
Because it's a claim with no backing to it.
0 Wert4 2014-12-27
You can certainly get on an airplane. Then you'd be flying.
1 sybersonic 2014-12-27
Saw a couple a day or two ago.
1 They_Werent_Flares 2014-12-27
Please post photos and specify location
1 fleethyundaisales 2014-12-27
Holly crap you were right. The skies were clear for only a few days and now they are back. http://imgur.com/fyNX1Hb
1 Wert4 2014-12-27
Lol
0 They_Werent_Flares 2014-12-27
I am hoping to reveal the truth about an agenda across America. Thank you for the photographic evidence
1 Wert4 2014-12-27
Saw a TON of contrails over the last few days. Did you have a certain country in mind?
0 They_Werent_Flares 2014-12-27
This post is specifically about the US. Please post pics about your location.
1 Wert4 2014-12-27
Sorry, I was driving. Why do you need pictures of contrails?
1 They_Werent_Flares 2014-12-27
It aids my research. The best pictures I can use show trails, time/date, and location. The more exact, the better. Thanks!
1 Wert4 2014-12-27
Interesting. Are you measuring the change in the Earth's albedo due to contrails?
1 They_Werent_Flares 2014-12-27
Yes. Clouds, oceans and plants are the focus of my research.
2 Wert4 2014-12-27
Academic or independent? Are you trying to convince or yourself of your hypothesis?
1 They_Werent_Flares 2014-12-27
Academic. Not trying to convince anyone, but attempting to provide constrictions on trail patterns. The trails themselves should be able to be predicted if they are dependent on weather conditions and physical phenomena. Our research is focused on American trails, but data outside the US is also helpful.
1 Wert4 2014-12-27
Interesting! Is there any satellite data you can get that's sensitive enough to detect contrails?
0 khamul787 2014-12-27
What? I've seen dozens of contrails all week.
1 [deleted] 2014-12-27
I have too...just no CHEMtrails.
The contrails form then dissipate 20-30 wingspans behind the engines...assuming that we're talking about turbojets here.
The CHEMtrails do NOT dissipate; they hang around in "strings" then spread out...eventually covering and blocking out the entire sky.
1 Wert4 2014-12-27
Contrails can also persist. Not sure where the rumor they don't got started, but that's just disinformation.
0 King-Hell 2014-12-27
They usually precede a cold wet front coming in.
0 They_Werent_Flares 2014-12-27
No, they don't. I live in Arizona. There are no cold wet fronts. It's a hot dry desert, and I see them often, but luckily I have found the pattern of when they appear.
In the future, you will wonder why I can predict them. Either I'm right and it's an agenda of spraying persistent stratospheric aerosols on to human populations, or just some crazy coincidence and I just happened to be right over and over.
2 King-Hell 2014-12-27
If anyone is spraying stratospheric aerosols you won't be able to see them because they will be too high. The lower limit of the stratosphere is about 60,000 feet where you are. Airliners can only fly up to about 42,000 feet, where they will stall due to the thin air. Stratospheric Aerosol Dispersal is slated to take place at 80,000 feet and the contrails you see are at 23 to 40,000 feet. Clearly there is no connection and what you are looking at is simply contrails, not SAD.
2 ShitHitsTheMan 2014-12-27
Fine, you can call it Tropospheric Aerosol Dispersal (TAD) if you want to argue semantics.
What makes you such an expert on the subject?
2 King-Hell 2014-12-27
Having to gently correct some of my friends who started posting chemtrail scare stories on Facebook.
It's not just semantics though, is it? Your whole case collapses when you start trying to prove chemtrails exist by conflating contrails with some form of geoengineering.
2 They_Werent_Flares 2014-12-27
Thank you, these points are very important to the conversation.
0 ShitHitsTheMan 2014-12-27
You aggressively patrol every chemtrail related post here to try to convince people that they have never seen any evidence of a spraying operation, yet you should only claim that you do not know if there is a secret spraying operation going on or not. You are always showing up, trying to convince people that there are no secret spraying operations happening, yet you miss this obvious fact: you don't know. If you're doing this on Reddit and Facebook as well, I think you need a new hobby.
1 King-Hell 2014-12-27
I frequently write about the REAL spraying operations which are most probably going on. Except that they are happening in the Stratosphere where we can't see them and they are kept secret. That's my only agenda here.... to tell people that contrails are not part of any geoengineering project and to stop wasting time telling people to "Look Up" at them. If you want to campaign against the very real dangers of geoengineering then first you need to find out what geoengineering actually is, and what it is not. And it is NOT about making 100-mile long trails of white stuff in the troposphere.
1 ShitHitsTheMan 2014-12-27
So there are one or more spraying programs occurring, but they are invisible and therefore nobody has ever presented any real evidence of them. OK, thanks for clearing that up.
1 King-Hell 2014-12-27
I believe that Stratospheric Aerosol Dispersal is arrogant madness. If you understand anything about chaos theory you'll realise that messing with the weather could open a can of worms that we'll never shut again.
SAD is only being experimented on at present; there's a global ban on widespread weather modification but 'experiments' and small scale cloud busting are allowed. So you can be sure the Dr Strangelove characters are experimenting the hell out of it right now.
Some geoengineering schemes may actually work and help to cool the planet. But the trouble is that we'll not know if it's successful without trying it, and by then it'll be too late to stop.
My concern is that well-meaning but deluded scientists start experiments on opposite sides of the world which react to each other and unleash the apocalypse.
I'm not trying to stop discussion of geoengineering - exactly the opposite. I'm trying to stop people wasting their time and energy tilting at windmills like some modern day Don Quixote.
0 They_Werent_Flares 2014-12-27
Where? And what exactly did you see? Stripes across the sky? Or tiny dissipating trails that follow airplanes and disappear?
EDIT And do you have photographic evidence?
2 khamul787 2014-12-27
Why would I take pictures of contrails? I see hundreds a day.
-1 They_Werent_Flares 2014-12-27
Contrails simply disappear behind the plane going overhead. Chemtrails remain, and stretch from horizon to horizon. It's very sad that you see so many.
2 khamul787 2014-12-27
No, they don't. Contrails dissipate at varying speeds based on multiple variables.
-1 They_Werent_Flares 2014-12-27
If that's the case, why didn't they exist in the 80's and 90's while I was beginning my career? Why did a natural phenomenon simply start happening, and why am I able to predict them?
I was an adult watching the skies for a living and there were no stripes, grid patterns, silvery haze and smog for decades.
If you've ever been to Phoenix you'll know that it's a notoriously sunny place with clear skies 330 days a year. Then the stripes started.
Please explain why they didn't exist before 2003 and now, sadly, people like you see "hundreds a day".
2 King-Hell 2014-12-27
If you think they are a recent phenomena you should read this.
2 khamul787 2014-12-27
Great reply. Thanks for the link.
2 khamul787 2014-12-27
They did, and have since the advent of flight.
It didn't, and you can't.
You may want a new pair of glasses, then. You clearly weren't very good at your job.
They've been around for nearly a century, maybe longer. I've been to Phoenix a dozen times in my life, and the skies are no different there than anywhere with a large airport.
Where do you keep getting this ridiculous notion? They've existed in huge quantities since before WWII. This whole idea of "chemtrails dissipate slower" is complete and utter bunk. The attributes of contrails are entirely dependent on factors such as humidity and temperature and they can range from spreading clouds to pencil-thin lines that evaporate immediately.
Please, do some research and actually think a bit before you keep trying to spread this nonsense.
1 They_Werent_Flares 2014-12-27
It's not a ridiculous notion if you were a living adult observing it. Skies were clear. You are a child and have known nothing other than chemtrails, which is why you buy into it.
1 khamul787 2014-12-27
Way to ignore every single point in my post. It's clear to me you're not actually willing to discuss or learn.
1 They_Werent_Flares 2014-12-27
You weren't alive several decades ago and didn't observe what people my age did. There were no trails back then. Now there are. There are many in my profession that are alarmed, and we watch younger people like yourself glued to your smartphones and playing video games instead of demanding answers.
These are strange times and a lot of misinformation is spread about.
I realize it's difficult for you to believe some random person online. Thank you for your thoughtful discussion points, I appreciate it.
1 khamul787 2014-12-27
So? That doesn't mean there was a lack of video footage or picture evidence that you're simply wrong. On top of that, both my father and grandfather are pilots (and my grandfather was an engineer at Honeywell), and both think chemtrails are a load of crock. There simply isn't any evidence for it, and plenty that completely disagrees with your assertion that this is an exclusively modern phenomena.
2 King-Hell 2014-12-27
That's just the tired old mantra which chemtrailers use in every argument. Contrails sometimes dissipate slowly, and some times quickly. The difference is the amount of moisture in the air. If the air is wet then the contrail will not only stick around, but it will get much bigger as more water vapour freezes onto the ice crystals.
0 NonThinkingPeeOn 2014-12-27
You are right. Chemtrails in the sky right now where I'm looking. what is the schedule that they follow?
0 They_Werent_Flares 2014-12-27
I will reveal that information on this sub. It is very important that we become aware of their schedule. It will lead others to understand that there is an agenda.
-1 King-Hell 2014-12-27
I'm going with 'Because of the weather'.
0 Wert4 2014-12-27
You can certainly get on an airplane. Then you'd be flying.