Madame Rothschild — “I Know who was behind the Paris Attacks!” http://www.darkmoon.me/2015/madame-rothschild-know-behind-paris-attacks/

Promoting this junk in a sticky is inexcusable. It only serves to muddy the waters.

Thank you

curious, what do you think france had to gain from a false flag? and why would a big flase flag opperation make so many mistakes?

what do you think france had to gain from a false flag

US and EU politicians use Charlie Hebdo attack to call for more Internet surveillance

Why use such a random non-internet related thing? they would be better off finding an imagary pedophile ring, if they want to push that internet surveillance issue

Right now, calling attention to pedos would NOT be advantageous to TPTB.

Bahahaha... best zinger I've read today. Thx.

Try asking Teresa May (UK Home Secretary), who is using this crisis to call for a ban on Internet encryption.

Yes, the government will take advantage of tragic events for its own benefit. Clearly there is motive. But dear God, just because the government takes advantage of the situation doesn't mean that the government orchestrated it

Did you know that the UK and France conspired with Israel to create a false premise to invade Egypt during the Suez crisis?

It's not unthinkable to me that our government would help stage an event like this. It's been going on for years. You are just naîve if you believe that we wouldn't be capable of staging something like this.

I am not saying that we are not capable. I am saying that EVERY SINGLE terrorist attack or mass shooting ends up being considered a conspiracy by some group of people. Even if the government spends a large amount of time planning and carrying out attacks, there would still be attacks that just occur naturally because humans are insane. Yet you cannot find a single attack that hasn't convinced 90% of /r/conspiracy that it was a genuine conspiracy. There will be many more attacks in the future carried out by insane people, and every single one of them will be labeled as a conspiracy. Again, I'm not saying arguing that the government 100% does not ever do these things. I am instead arguing that CLEARLY conspiracy theorists are wrong about some events because there is no way that EVERY SINGLE event like this is carried out by a government. You can't be taken seriously if you are unwilling to allow that any of these attacks are simply the result of violent, insane people.

Who's suggesting the IRA bombings were false flag? What about Lee Rigby? Madrid? Mumbai? I haven't heard anything about these.

However, a large number of people are critical about the official narrative on the following :- 9/11, Sandy Hook and to a lesser extent, Charlie Hebdo. And deservedly so in my opinion.

I have to agree but I myself understand the fascination of conspiracy theories. The fascination with thinking about the "what ifs." Its fun. No doubt. Almost anyone is capable of playing the amateur detective these days where information is so easily accessible via the Internet. But we have to be thorough and factual. This means we have to have evidence and reasonble doubt to back up what we say. That's the only way anyone will ever take us seriously. And we have to work together, bringing our ideas together in an organized manner, not just spewing out the next crazy thought that comes into our heads. I don't think /r/conspiracy is a good platform for this. Comments buried on top of comments, which are then buried on top of more comments. Its just noise. How can we fix this?

Im American. But I agree the UK is fucked. Trying to get all those face sitting and squirt videos banned

I'm no longer brave enough to make a joke about Teresa May & squirt videos.

What is a squirt video? Porn?

Yes.

If re-elected this year, Cameron has promised to introduce a “comprehensive piece of legislation” that would eliminate any place online where terrorists might be able to communicate without government knowledge. There should be “no means of communication” which “we cannot read,” he said, according to the BBC. “That is applied whether you are sending a letter, whether you are making a phone call, whether you are using a mobile phone, or whether you are using the Internet.”

Civilization seems to teeter on the edge of wars and increased security. All they need is a little push (beheading videos, chemical attack, babies killed in incubators, hijackings, bombings) and their primitive instincts will overwhelm them as they clamor to find the answer and respond.

Set the narrative. Then never let a crisis go to waste. Lie and facilitate it if you need to. Every death and crime that is committed will be jumped upon by different facets of the same sick beast: Money, power, and control. (They can be manifested from tragic events.)

The EU jumping on internet regulation just shows how easily coerced they are from fear and/or take advantage of tragedies to push a controversial law.

babies killed in incubators

that's one of those things that's totally horrific, but at the same time...what? who did that? proof?

Source: Her written testimony was passed out in a media kit prepared by Citizens for a Free Kuwait. "I volunteered at the al-Addan hospital," Nayirah said. "While I was there, I saw the Iraqi soldiers come into the hospital with guns, and go into the room where ... babies were in incubators. They took the babies out of the incubators, took the incubators, and left the babies on the cold floor to die."

http://www.prwatch.org/books/tsigfy10.html

False flag: confirmed

Edit: to clarify, the incubator story above was propaganda used by the HW Bush Administration / TPTB as pretext for war. It didn't really happen.

oh my fuck, that's horrible

Just to clarify, It was bullshit.

Yeah, no, I got that. It's supremely fucked that they fabricate that kind of shit

It never happened. It was a made up story used as propaganda by HW Bush & Co

control for what? what is the point of having total control and total power? what's the endgame?

Their 9-5s and careers are not like ours. They are at the top in the aspect of capitalism/plutocracy. Their job is more like a game of risk or monopoly.

Put yourself in their shoes. When you grow up in a elitist bloodline who controls major financial, banking, and military sectors and you've been sheltered from the 'peasants', given any possession you want, what's left? The only thing really is power and control. They're human like us—they want to progress and thrive and create a 'better' future for their descendants. They have a view of the world, a religion and personal politics that affect their decisions just like any human. False flags have been a go-to move for centuries.

Zionism, fascism and socialism seem to be the battling ideologies.

Edit: last sentence

doesn't seem worth the effort. It seems pointless to waste so much for power. Its hard to see someone in power being that level of ignorant.

I think you're wrong. Ive put myself in their shoes, ive ran the scenarios in my head and on paper. The endgame of power is pointless, they can, and do, achieve what they want without such a grand scheme.

9/11 wasn't a false flag. There was no benefit. Boston bombing, not a false flag. No benefit.

The psychology ive uncovered is that conspiracy theorists want that drama. They want to feel thay sense of being Tom Hanks in the Davinci Code.

People believe in Reptilians, the illuminati, aliens, gods, race supremacy, witches, ghosts, psychics, .. all from that same part of the brain.

admit it. If 9/11 never happend, you would be looking for something else to add that drama in your life.

You:

9/11 wasn't a false flag. There was no benefit.

Are you some sort of coincidence theorist?

1) Massive snooping powers given to the Government in the Patriot Act. Unconstitutional and treasonous legislation.

2) Trillions in profits for the military-industrial-congressional complex. President Eisenhower warned us.

3) Creation of Homeland Security, effectively a secret police force set up for abuse no different than the SS or Gestapo.

4) Israel benefited:

"We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq," said Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu. Adding that these events "swung American public opinion in our favor." https://www.haaretz.com/mobile/report-netanyahu-says-9-11-terror-attacks-good-for-israel-1.244044

Prime Minister Ehud Barak's narrative just hours after the attack being pumped through the BBC pinning the attack on bin laden before anyone else and describing his quest for war in the Middle East...how prophetic of him.

http://youtu.be/GAueLjdKh1s

5) Coincidence? 5 men were arrested filming and celebrating the attacks on 9/11. The suspects were detained for months and failed lie detector tests while the FBI believed they were apart of Israeli intelligence [Mossad]. Former CIA chief in counterterrorism said some of the men's names were found in the intelligence database. According to the police report the driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers, "We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem."

Sources: http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885 http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html http://youtu.be/UMkX5uemLyk

6) The officials in office at the time of 9/11 benefited:

PRIOR TO 9/11 —With its members in numerous key administrative positions, the PNAC exerted influence on high-level U.S. government officials in the administration of U.S. President George W. Bush and affected the Bush Administration's development of military and foreign policies, especially involving national security and the Iraq War. Section V of Rebuilding America's Defenses, entitled "Creating Tomorrow's Dominant Force", includes the sentence: "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor"

I'm on my phone, it's Saturday and I've got some things to do or else I'd give you some more coincidences/benefits of the 9-11-2001 false flag event. Lumping reptilian, personal attacks, and red herrings into this convo isn't going to help anyone. Don't got time for that. Gonna go grab some tacos and chill at the beach.

In the meantime, C-SPAN brought Architects & Engineers on to discuss the idea of 9/11 being a demolition, take a look.

http://www.c-span.org/video/?320748-5/washington-journal-architects-engineers-911-truth

Edit: words

enjoy the tacos. Ill look into it.

coincidence theorist

this is briliant

True but that doesn't necessarily make conspiracy theorists wrong. That's where your logic fails.

I would argue that for the official theory of 9-11, some of those that believe in it devoutly want that same "drama". They want to know believe that there are shittier people than them in the world that commit acts of terror, believe in "conspiracy theories" and "racial supremacy" so they can feel better about themselves for being "normal".

They need an enemy to be demonized in order to justify their hatred of people in different situations than them, with different beliefs to them. This applies contextually to irrational hatred of "conspiracy theorists" under the passive-aggressive guise of 'satire'.

Based on your "psychological findings", I think you've made an unfair blanket statement about people who don't trust the hierarchy of Government in varying degrees, which IMO is dangerous in a time when ours is so powerful. And that the traits you've attributed to "conspiracy theorists", can easily be applied to any group, homogenous or not.

Do you think I hate conspiracy theorists? Do you think I trust the government? No to both.

I don't believe the government could possibly cooperate with itself long enough to pull of any grand conspiracies. Its all a game of stepping on eachothers heads. and throwing eachother under the bus. Not to mention the massive population of technology illiterate geriatrics that are in power.

Why would I trust.. or fear... a government run by people who have to call their grandsons to come unplug and replug their router, because their computer "broke".

Something about your tone made it seem so, but my statement was less directed at you, more directed at the general "anti-conspiracy theorist" mentality.

The thing is, you believe that, why is someone worse off for believing otherwise? We're all clearly a separate entity from those who hold the most influential positions.

Fear might be a strong word, I think they wish they were feared. However the key to a free people is that Government fears the power of it''s citizenry, and a citizenry is powerless when it's divided, which it very much is as of late.

doesn't seem worth the effort. It seems pointless to waste so much for power. Its hard to see someone in power being that level of ignorant.

It seems to you that it can't be true, so it isn't true? Your logical fallacy is "personal incredulity".

9/11 wasn't a false flag. There was no benefit.

Lots of people benefitted. For instance, Larry Silverstein made $4.55 billion off of a $14 million dollar investment.

Dick Cheney made a chunk of change as well.

Benjamin Netanyahu says the 9/11 attacks were good for Israel.

And if you can look at the "collapse" of WTC7, and think it fell due to office fire, you are an idiot.

Perhaps 7 fell from... you know... the car sized boulders falling on it at terminal velocity?

http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/sep1109_09_11/s03_2H469386.jpg

see the building in the back, is wtc7 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/Wtc7_from_wtc_observation_deck.jpg

doesn't seem worth the effort. It seems pointless to waste so much for power.

its their privileged lifestyles, their multiple mansions, vacations that the peasants can only dream of, servants, cars, sex on demand from minions, food, drugs, toys.

Its hard to see someone in power being that level of ignorant.

being born into the super rich and elite does not mean each and every one of them is super intelligent, the Hiltons for one famous example. nor some of their minions they hire, the minion families they go generational hand in hand as servants to the rich too, some will be clever, some dumb as rocks.

Yea, but you can get that lifestyle without false flags. There is so many levels of manipulation that reach that lifestyle before turning to a false flag.

I mean, its pretty safe to assume the people who would pull off a false flag already have the money to live such a way.

I mean, its pretty safe to assume the people who would pull off a false flag already have the money to live such a way.

That's not the point. They already have all the money in the world. THEY PRINT IT!

It's about accessing and controlling the minerals/oil/opium in the middle east.

It's about full spectrum dominance and order from chaos by creating conflicts, so the US/EU/NATO continues to be on top.

It's about slithering their way into the banking, financial, and unions in any place they can get into in order to steer it to their benefit.

It's about POWER and CONTROL. Not money. Remember, they control the banks and treasury.

It's not about cash. Derivatives and stocks? Probably. What did the World Trade Center do? What was in WTC 7? A lot of files, transactions, mega-financial deals, etc. But now it's all turned to dust.

Hmm.

Again, all we needed to do is go "oh no, sadam has weapons of mass destruction" Plant some warheads. Boom, full access. No 9/11 needed.

WTC 7 wasn't some special target. It was clearly hit with the giant chunks of the other towers. I already linked those images.

And, you don't need to fly a plane into a building to destroy files.

also that printing money argument.... that's shit peoples grandmas argue. Who the fuck pays for big shit with a pallete of physical cash?

What?

WTC 7 collapsed due to office fires and the govt investigation even admits that the debris damage of the Tower collapses played no role in WTC 7's demise.

Have you even read the report you're defending?

Just because a government tries to take advantage of a tragic event for its own benefit doesn't mean the government actually caused the event. I mean honestly, is there a single mass shooting or terrorist attack that /r/conspiracy doesn't think was a government conspiracy? Think about that. There's not a single event like this that isn't turned into a conspiracy. That's basically saying that no events like this take place outside of the governments Control. That's insane. Even if the government were orchestrating messed up stuff like this, there would still be some crazy mother fuckers who go out and do stuff like mass shootings and terrorism.

Yeah, because they REALLY need to read the mails I exchange with my gf :D

It's not that they want to read your emails, its that they want you to know that they have the ability to do so.

It is a form of thought control, which forces a populace to self censor in their most intimate conversations.

Hey there Judas, what does satan's cock taste like?

pull your head out of your ass.

curious, what do you think france had to gain from a false flag?

If it was a false-flag, what makes you think it would have been perpetrated by France?

If you want to discover who the perpetrator was, look at who (which group/nation) stands to benefit the most from the political fallout of these events.

^{Hint: It isn't France, and it sure as HELL isn't Islam, or al Qaeda, or fucking ISIS}

The Jewish community is getting their own police patrols, a police sanctioned(!) Jewish "Guard" on the weekends and they're calling for legislation to allow them to be the only civilians allowed to carry arms in Europe... I guess that's one group benefitting somewhat.

The Jewish community is [...] calling for legislation to allow them to be the only civilians allowed to carry arms in Europe

Holy shit. I had not seen this. Thanks!

Have you seen discussions on this issue here on Reddit?

Got lost in the shuffle, but there are a couple of articles if you search "guns" and sort by new.

Unrelated, but I came across talk of the latest ISIS production when I searched. That's another topic that's gotten almost no discussion and it may be the "fakest" yet.

A Rabbi =/= 'they'

so you don't think some religous nutjobs didn't just go in with ak47s and shoot up the place? Why wouldn't they?

do you believe there has ever been a legit Muslim terrorists attack?

so you don't think some religous nutjobs didn't just go in with ak47s and shoot up the place? Why wouldn't they

Possibly - the question is, which religion?

As far as I'm concerned, the Charlie Hebdo attack (non-Jewish victims) was an entirely separate incident from the kosher supermarket assault - the only apparent connection being that the latter thought that he was supporting the perpetrators of the former.

Supposedly al Qaeda supported the Charlie Hebdo incident - and I'm finding that tough to swallow. There are too many "coincidences" involved.

As always in these situations, you should ask yourself "who benefits"?

Has the agenda of al Qaeda been advanced by this incident? Has the image of Muslims been enhanced, or has it been tarnished?

Was this outcome not foreseeable?

It seems like a zealotrous act. The attackers knew they would get killed.

The same stuff is going on in Africa with boko haram. Car bombs, and suicide bombings for years.

Cultural isolationism.

It seems like a zealotrous act. The attackers knew they would get killed.

They did? That would explain why they left their ID's in the car...

But then, why bother with the masks?

/Bullshit, it seems

Why would a highly planned conspiracy also leave those ids in the car? Better of leaving them on their person, or reporting a fake annonymous tip

Why would a highly planned conspiracy also leave those ids in the car? Better of leaving them on their person, or reporting a fake annonymous tip

The "lost ID's" are the only reason that they identified the two brothers as the alleged assailants before they were killed.

Fake anonymous tip? Not the same level of credibility.

What about.. several fake anonymous tips?

If I was one of the guys, in the meeting to setup this master plan, as soon as someone suggested to leave the IDs in the car, ide be like: "whoa whoa. that's going to look suspicious as fuck"

Yeah, me too. But unfortunately most people fell for it, so I guess the "experts" got it right?

Also, why IDs? why not let them link it to insurance information left in the cars glovebox? or license plate? seems a more reasonable oversight.

People aren't willing to die over a comic, there are so many who have lost their entire families to the US and Israel and even they aren't going on suicide missions or we'd see it every day. The motives just aren't there, it doesn't make sense for anyone to deliberately make their religion or beliefs seem wrong or evil either.. the whole narrative is pretty stupid.

US and Israel... then why france? why the fatwas against cartoonists? Why is boko haram going nuts in africa? why have carbombs been going on in the middle east since before I was born?

People aren't willing to die over a comic

Sure there are.

People have willingly died for less.

there are so many who have lost their entire families to the US and Israel and even they aren't going on suicide missions or we'd see it every day

This assumes that everyone who has suffered a great loss is as crazy as those willing to die over a comic.

It's a good thing most aren't otherwise you'd have a point.

People aren't willing to die over a comic

Sure there are.

not really, the rude cartoonists might have been seen as an easy target (compared to govt targets), but Islamic jihadists are not dumb enough to see them as the no.1 enemy of their faith/politics/lifestyles.

Well you've answered yourself there.

Whilst the cartoonists wouldn't have been at the top of most hit lists, they were one of the easiest targets.

But who knows, perhaps the cartoonists really struck a nerve with these nutjobs, putting them at the top of the list.

Islamic jihadists are not dumb enough

Why do you treat them as a group with a single, unified ideology? Some dicks are willing to kill people that annoy them, others are willing to blow themselves up to send a message, others don't quite go that far.

Muslim terror attack? Ever hear if 9/11?

Uhh... yea.. if you read the whole thing, you would see that the guy im replying to believes 9/11 was a false flag.

Plus France has blamed ISIS and is sending an aircraft carrier to the region to bomb ISIS in Syria.

What does France gain from a false flag? I don't know.

All I can be sure of is that nefarious entities have installed themselves into many intelligence agencies, judicial/executive/legislative branches of multiple governments and have promoted, prolonged and profited off the clashing of civilization. Prime example was the false flag of 9/11/2001.

The populace should always be on alert for deception in the media, lies from their elected officials, and the propaganda being pumped 24/7 dividing us further.

Israel seems to benefit greatly from this attack. Along with the U.S. —whether they participated/facilitated the terrorists like in Gladio, Able Danger, Lavon affair, OKC, etc, is yet to be determined. The mainstream powers at the very least are using these attacks to advocate for their preplanned agenda.

War is a racket. Question everything.

War is a racket. Question everything.

The six words that sum it up perfectly.

It was their turn. US, Spain, UK, and a whole bunch of African and Middle Eastern countries have had high profile terrorist incidents.

Mistakes happen because conspirators are human. It is the job of the media to ignore those mistakes. France was sending a warship that week to go fight ISIS. Terror attack before sending the carrier to fight ISIS preemptively marginalizes any anti-war protests that might occur. History of France and Syria goes back a while.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Mandate_for_Syria_and_the_Lebanon

but terrorists don't make human mistakes?

Personally I think Hollande was bushwhacked by the Mossad and neo-con elements with the French deep state. http://winteractionables.com/?p=17746

You can go a long way toward understanding more of everything if you let yourself understand that there is no France as a single entity.

of course. same with any country

[...] why would a big flase flag opperation make so many mistakes?

Because the successful execution of one is an exact science, and an imperfect process.

And proper execution doesnt facilitate the divide between true believers and conspiracy researchers.

Keep in mind these ops are actualized from the top down, every aspect isnt controlled at the outset, and it's been proven to work just fine that way.

Yes, historically. However even if the operation itself is executed as planned, it still depends on public opinion whether it was truly a success or not in the eyes of the conspirators.

Also it should go without saying that the divide you speak of is likely exploited in order to subvert the entire conspiracy research community. It's my personal theory that one aspect (or side affect) of these operations is to create/exploit that divide, in order to silence anyone who questions Government behavior.

You don't think you could have done it better? don't you think you could have achieved the same outcome without this opperation.

I mean, people say 911 was a false flag to get troops in the middle east. We could have absolutely gone to the middle east on Sadam alone.

I have no idea, I'm just answering your exact question. False flags happen throughout history and planning and executing them is not a cake-walk, the potential for fuck-ups is always there depending on the situation.

One example:

The operation failed to convince international public opinion of the German claims, and both Britain and France—Poland's allies—declared war two days after Germany invaded Poland.

[...]

There is no absolute certainty whether this particular event in Paris was or wasn't a false flag, nor is there certainty who perpetuated it, hence the collection of inconsistencies to discuss.

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Snapshot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b82Hqf6x0ZQ

Serious question.

There are undoubtedly islamic elements in the world who want to attack the west. Cells plotting attacks are broken up constantly. Why not simply allow them to slip through the net than go to the effort of planning an absurdly complicated false flag attack? It would still achieve the same goals with none of the risk.

I mean every terrorist attack in the last 10 years has people shouting false flag. It doesn't make any fucking sense.

Timing. If you need something done now, in a certain place, you may not be able to wait.

Also,

Cells plotting attacks are broken up constantly.

Hearsay as far as I know.

You're partly right, i think. They always play a role as patsies. But they must be guided and controlled. Leaders are control freaks. Don't you think the whole gathering of the world's leaders for the anti-terror rally would have been the most dangerous, if parts of their movement could not be controlled? Think of the damage ...

Cells plotting attacks are broken up constantly.

Yes. They are "created" by the FBI/CIA, and then, luckily they are caught by those same agencies!

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/nov/16/fbi-entrapment-fake-terror-plots

http://edition.presstv.com/detail/159058.html

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-fbi-entrapment-is-inventing-terrorists-and-letting-bad-guys-off-the-hook-20120515

They create a "problem", and then proudly intervene with the "solution". This way we are all aware of that problem we have with "terrorism" and appreciate our governement agencies for "keeping us safe". We also totally acknowledge the need for these government agencies to "spy" on its citizens, they really need to watch those pesky terrorists.

Cells plotting attacks are broken up constantly.

I see you've been watching Fox news

Never watched fox news in my life I am from the UK. Good straw man though. We have public records of the majority of terror arrests, including many well known islamists who have been hate preaching for decades. No doubt you will find some way to dismiss this, I don't expect you to actually use your brain.

I suggest that many of the terror arrest are actually part of the plan you talked about above. They radicalize people and then capture them, but allow some to get through when its useful.

http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/21/us-terrorism-prosecutions-often-illusion

Check out this study. Almost all terror arrests by the FBI are situations where they radicalized someone and then held their hand through the entire plan. They were never capable of pulling off an attack on their own.

Yeah, do you have a source for this? I know we've drone struck a number of well known islamists.

I don't know about terror arrests, but my impression is the same as /u/shadowofshadow.

Also I don't think hate preaching is a crime. Plotting a terrorist attack is.

Also, accusatory, yes, stereotyping, yes, but it wasn't a strawman.

Seems like the Jews want the Christians to attack the Muslims so that Israel will be safe.

More likely they are drumming up support for the expansion of military operations into Syria, Jordan, and Iraq as part of the not-so-secret yet barely talked about "Yinon Plan" for a "Greater Israel". The plan dictates that the targeted regions must be destabilized. The massive anti-arab propaganda campaign is setting the tone for "justified" mass murder.

Google it.

Yes, yes, I see your point, but what I am saying is that they want the US to do their dirty work for them so that the people of the region hate the US and Christians and not Israel and the Jews, because the planes, bombs, tanks, and soldiers are US and not Israeli.

Yes absolutely.

Ancient Romans were pretty smart.

They always asked:

Cui bono?

Kevin Ryan: Nine Questions About the Paris Attacks

1. Why would the Koachi brothers wear balaclavas (i.e. ski masks) to hide their identity and then simply leave Said’s national ID card in the car? If they took the time to hide their faces, why would they bring their IDs with them?

This is gold right here. Immensely, obviously suspicious. What, did they bring their IDs with them on the drive, in case they got pulled over by the cops? Seriously? How can anyone explain why they had their IDs on them?

Because Islamic terrorists always leave their IDs behind, duh.

Says every incurious element of the target demo. They dont need or want to convince everyone.

What if it was in case they got pulled over on the way there and didn't want their "mission" to be foiled before they got to the newspaper?

Just playing devils advocate, don't have a strong opinion either way.

That doesn't explain why they would have left them in the car. ID isn't bulky. It can be carried on person.

When they got there to their target, the IDs were no longer needed. And maybe they wanted a more perfect martyrdom by quickly making their names known to their fellow jihadis. It's not outside the realm of possibility.

One explanation would be that this is just wrong. The police just put it out their to hide that they had other sources. Just imaging the police had a source inside this terror cell: They can't just announce "Hey, the name of the guys is abc and edf" without giving away that they have some internal source. By planting the info about the ids they could hide such a thing.

That's a fair point. I still find it highly unlikely though, that they know IMMEDIATELY after the event who the perpetrators were, yet authorities could not take preemptive measures, exactly the same as 9/11 and Bin Laden being named within minutes after the attacks.

Perhaps they heard rumours that sth is going to happen but they could not find them in time? Paris is a very large city and there are tons of places to hide.

While I completely disagree with the Mossad-Charlie Hebdo liaison (despite all its inconsistencies) I'd still like to thank axyotl, Canadian_pog and 33degree for it. Excellent post.

Muslims have been murdered cold blood, pregnant women have been beaten to pulp, mosques vandalized, businesses burned and much more going on against Muslims even before these cartoons....and the Jewish community feels threatened? Wtf????

Well a bunch of them were massacred in a supermarket. There is that.

Once again the mainstream media peddled the spoon-fed propaganda that world leaders "led the march" to honor the victims of the Paris shootings last week.

It's disgusting. Flying in our faces. All LIES.

I have to ask - because I honestly don't know. How come that every time they ransack the presumed terrorists homes, they always have a flag hanging supporting ISIS or the taliban - and what not? Is there something in islam that promotes such iconography? It just seems too ... convenient, for the media narrative.

Look up the black standard.

I can't even talk with my co-workers about my thoughts on the Charlie Hebdo attack. Everyone I tried talking to about the IDs found in the car and the police commissioner who commited suicide thinks nothing of it. :(

The police official who committed suicide was the commissioner of a town a few hundred miles away from Paris. By virtue of the size of the attack, every commissioner in France was automatically assigned to the case. He discovered his colleague dead the year and before and was known to have been depressed.

The attackers also left flags and molotov cocktails in the car. It's unlikely they were concerned about personal effects like ID's, because it was obvious they didn't plan on living through this. They told the police this in Danmartin, even releasing the sole hostage they had

Bonus : The door mirrors on the Citroen were chromed, which reflects light, which why they appear to change colour, when the car is at the 19th arrondissement, photographs taken from both sides of the car demonstrate this

It's basic information and took only a few minutes to find

If you are genuinely interested in the truth and details of the attack, then there's a large amount of information and sources available online

If you are interested in it being a conspiracy or false flag, then come here or go to conspiracy sites

conspiracy is a subset of "online"

Because your coworkers are sheep..we all deal with this. Speak your mind and "hold frame".

Thanks bro. What really upset me was the office bully (my supervisor) said that "Cops off themselves all the time. It's called stress my little man. Speaking of which, time for you to grow up." (I'm paraphrasing but that's more or less what he said to me)

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What a d-bag

Thanks bro. Yeah, he eavesdropped between me and my colleague when I said "But don't you think it's very odd that the police commissioner for that area off'd himself?"

That's when he said (I'm paraphrasing now) "Why do you think it's strange? You're crazy, there's no conspiracy. Stop and grow up my little man."

He's well known in the office to disassociate himself from anyone who is into any of the following:

• into conspiracy theories
• into alternative homeopathic medicine
• into meditation/spirituality
• into reincarnation

Well, anything that he doesn't consider "worth his time to talk about" (his own words, as he said it directly to my face in front of my other colleague in the cafeteria).

It's okay though. I'll always keep to my standards, and will always question what I see/read/hear from the lame-stream-media.

Cheers!

Workin with sheep sucks, but asshole sheep, that's the worst.

Yeah, my Supervisor is a nightmare to work with. Maybe one day that asswipe will wake-up, and see the big picture. I can't wait to be the first one to say to him "I told you so!" and then kick him in the nuts. Cheers buddy, and thanks for your post. :)

The first hebdo video where three police run up to the intersection where the suspects car is parked has two cuts. The second cut is already mentioned in this thread, but i have not seen the first cut mentioned anywhere. In the first cut the police get bicycle(s) under them, which they use to ride away. I took some screenshots and made a post about it:

https://varikonniemi.wordpress.com/2015/01/19/the-charlie-hebdo-deception/

edit:only 2 bicycles can be seen.

Good eye...didn't notice the outline of bicycle tires before.

From where did the three policemen find three bicycles? Why did they move in a direction away from the vehicle and charlie hebdo offices? Why did they not secure the vehicle?

Good questions, too!

EDIT: Can make out only one bicycle though...

Great compilation. Well done!

This makes me feel better all the garbage on the front page and the Totalitarian bullshit that goes on in all the subs. Censoring is not even need cause anyone not toting the party line is mocked and downvoted into obsurity .

All this shit is a litmus test fence rattler to divide and conquer.

"I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore ! " happened in 76

We need to ask the better question: Is the entire "war on terror" just one huge false flag in and of itself?

I mean who are the terrorists when our governments admit and have proven to carry out these attacks?

Where does the government admit to carrying out the attacks? We destroy their cities, we fund them and give them munitions, we feed them ideas of targets and methods. It doesn't have to be a planned operation of theatre when intelligence agencies foment the occurrence based on a century of experience doing just that.

The political equivalent of The Wolf of Wall Street

Please add my compilation and analysis, AP.

You should ask yourself "who benefits"? Has the agenda of al Qaeda been advanced by this incident?

How the hell can anyone reasonably answer that question. The goal of extremists is to kill heretics.

Unless you just so happen to know their agenda, this question is idiotic, not to mention a fallacy. It makes the assumption of some grand master plan being in the works and not an event perpetrated by rogue group

You are funny to still call it "assumption".

Unless you just so happen to know their agenda, this question is idiotic, not to mention a fallacy. It makes the assumption of some grand master plan being in the works and not an event perpetrated by rogue group

The circular logic in this post is astounding.

Has anyone found the video of the kocher supermarket raid? I found a video on YouTube last week (removed within a day) that showed quite clearly the raid squad standing at the front door of the supermarket, throwing a flash grenade through the door when the shooter runs out with his gun hanging round his next, bangs off a wall and his hands flying up above his head quite visibly already bound together in either cable tie or speed cuffs.

i wouldn't say "quite visibly bound together"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPGSrlyuRGM

True I may just be exaggerating, though it seems like an unusual position to have your hands in during a fall, I would have expected them to at least be apart.

You also have to think he's probably been shot 30 times at that point, he was still flying forward but he was long dead when he came through that doorway.

True, it looked like the shots weren't until that point but maybe not.

1: The StormCloudsGathering video is weak. Selective use of freeze frame to make it seem like the impact was in front of where it actually was + ignoring the effects of wind to be able to move smoke. Big Red Flag right here.

2: The Vindicated: Paris Events Meet the False Flag Checklist post is also highly suspect. Proof point No. 1 States:

CNN was already on the spot, with Anderson Cooper’s 360 live on the scene

The link shows that CNN were reporting on the scene off the hostage situation on Friday PM, after the attack on Wednesday AM. CNN were on the scene two days later – how is this suspicious?

now EU and USA have a great excuse to implement the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP)

The Rothschilds Own Charlie Hebdo? Editors Girlfriend Works For The Rothschilds. - [4:47]

More.

Found this one, RT:

• http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2rvc2c/rt_who_profits_from_false_flag_in_france_only/

The shooters in the rear...

Looks like a clear line of sight to me: http://i.imgur.com/XrLXBkv.png

Look from this angle. Uncensored video version of the last terrorist patsy Amedy Coulibaly being cut down in a hail of bullets running out of the entrance to the kosher supermarket. Police at each side of the door are also shooting in each others direction in this crossfire. Of course, only in a sloppy, staged, ridiculous scenario like this would the police themselves not have received multiple bullet wounds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_nwVWw6vyc

It's a good thing hollow points tend not to go through their target then.

It was certainly a dangerous as shit situation and not something the police would've anticipated. But given the point blank range, missing wasn't really that likely.

Maybe in that screengrab, but not in the video.

... Ahh the screengrab is from the video?

Oh good point, I guess it's not. Well ballistics experts have also said that shell casings aren't being ejected. They think it's blanks.

Source? Because blank casings eject from the gun just like live rounds do.

I didn't mean blanks. I don't know anything about guns. It was on veterans today. It's on the front page of here somewhere

Don't believe everything you read. Especially here during a tragedy.

New post with new video

http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2sq6qx/new_charlie_hebdo_footage_from_across_the_street/

EDIT:

Also the video that appears to show on of the gunmans hands tied in the deli

http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2sapfp/amedy_coulibaly_jihadist_from_the_paris_kosher/

GIF of it

http://www.gfycat.com/DevotedEnchantedHochstettersfrog#?speed=0.5

I could only find this in the comments

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=25a_1421204316

Clear as day it was organised by SVR, in order for Le Pen to gain more support in the elections.

Commissioner 'Suicide'

Many of those links lead no where and tell nothing or have paywalls or require registration. Almost as though this post is to discourage people from questioning the official account.

You've hit the tip of the iceberg, but it goes way deeper than that. The mods are paid shills. They pretend to be interested in free thought and rational discussion because it's easier to direct the flow of public discourse that way.

I asked a question on here once and was banned for it. It wasn't rude, it was just a question doubting both the official story and the one being told on here, through paywalls and dead links.

Question everything, especially what you read on /r/conspiracy. Because from what I've learned, the enemy of free thought loves the No True Scotsman Fallacy.

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Basic operation to get all Jews lamb to the promised land under the Zionist Terrorists. The Zionist Terrorist Apartheid Regime is the opposite of Judaism so basically it's another scam. There will be more false flag and whatever it takes to bring the Jews back. If they stay they're screwed and if they leave they're screwed too. The only stumbling block is Russia and China. Good luck to us Goyims.

Paul Craig Roberts

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/01/16/charlie-hebdo-update-paul-craig-roberts/

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/01/13/charlie-hebdo-paul-craig-roberts/

the second CH gunman is a girl. walks like one, runs like one, wears that beige ammo vest to obscure the female bits.

follows the male gunman like a puppy but collides with him at one point duringt he U-turn.

picks up the dropped shoe during a female moment of tidyness.

theres female laughter audible during the video of the 'execution' of the downed cop. the dude says something back to her in a jokey way too.

"beautiful blue eyes" according to the CH cartoonist who was forced to open the door at gunpoint. both brothers had brown eyes, and they look like clones even tho supposedly brothers.

picks up the dropped shoe during a female moment of tidyness.

This is the dumbest thing I have ever read. Motherfucker do you think you are sherlock or some shit?

live in your bubble

And what happened to the woman who got away and was reportedly tracked by Turkish authorities all the way to the Syria border.

Maybe the Obama administration were wise not to attend the front of the unity march, because who knows what Isreal and Netanyahu might be capable of, beause word would have certainly run through the CIA to the White House.

So add that to the list, that neither Obama nor Biden, nor Holder (who was in Paris at the time on security matters..) were intentionally NOT at the unity march, with Netanyahu leading the way and hand waving (talk about hypocrisy!).

Good on you internet for picking up on this so quickly, you don't get this kind of reporting on the "MSM" ha, that's a joke "mainstream media" more like irrelevant media.. we're onto you, and you're no longer relevant.

Do this one more time (MSM) and you're through.

Fuck CNN and Fox News! Fuck you clandestine intel black ops, you're too obvious, and it's transparent who you are and what you're all about.

Anyone notice how ISIS never made a move to attack or insight violence against Israel?

Just who is Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi?? and what was he photographed in meetings with John McCain?

I believe that he's a secret Isreali double-agent trained in black op psyops.

And why haven't they taken him out when the daily movement of all 30,000 of them is being monitored under the force matrix security grid that was once Iraq and Syria? Once they have a replacement guy i guess, then they'll take him out to make it all appear "congruent".

It's a push a psychological push all of it, on the very back of 9/11 and all those victims (numbering well over a milllion people dead) to perpetuate the war on terror and the rise of a radicalized Islam, in a controlled and "managed" psychological environment ie: fighting over there and all over the world, except Israel which has been repressing the Palestinian people forever.

The Charlie Hebdo thing, was HUGE for a few days, their "new world order" once again solidified by the authority of protecting against "terror".

And it does have all the hallmarks of an Israeli/French security operation or "false flag" attack.

Man does the dark shadow government(s) of the world really piss me of.

First 9/11 in the "9/11 era" and now these "lone wolf" ops, and the Baghdadi/ISIS op, this is not to say that people are not getting killed en mass and in some cases beheading of innocents, but notice how it's all being done and how it's being managed and depicted.

Rise of the conspiracy theorists where the terminology "conspiracy theory" is starting to lose it's pull.

Stop the Psyops! When do we want them stopped? Now!

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..ad infinitum...until it STOPS!!!

Because Islamic terrorists always leave their IDs behind, duh.

Says every incurious element of the target demo. They dont need or want to convince everyone.

What if it was in case they got pulled over on the way there and didn't want their "mission" to be foiled before they got to the newspaper?

Just playing devils advocate, don't have a strong opinion either way.

You're partly right, i think. They always play a role as patsies. But they must be guided and controlled. Leaders are control freaks. Don't you think the whole gathering of the world's leaders for the anti-terror rally would have been the most dangerous, if parts of their movement could not be controlled? Think of the damage ...

Timing. If you need something done now, in a certain place, you may not be able to wait.

Also,

Cells plotting attacks are broken up constantly.

Hearsay as far as I know.

Snapshot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b82Hqf6x0ZQ

Cells plotting attacks are broken up constantly.

I see you've been watching Fox news

One explanation would be that this is just wrong. The police just put it out their to hide that they had other sources. Just imaging the police had a source inside this terror cell: They can't just announce "Hey, the name of the guys is abc and edf" without giving away that they have some internal source. By planting the info about the ids they could hide such a thing.

oh my fuck, that's horrible

I mean, its pretty safe to assume the people who would pull off a false flag already have the money to live such a way.

That's not the point. They already have all the money in the world. THEY PRINT IT!

It's about accessing and controlling the minerals/oil/opium in the middle east.

It's about full spectrum dominance and order from chaos by creating conflicts, so the US/EU/NATO continues to be on top.

It's about slithering their way into the banking, financial, and unions in any place they can get into in order to steer it to their benefit.

It's about POWER and CONTROL. Not money. Remember, they control the banks and treasury.

It's not about cash. Derivatives and stocks? Probably. What did the World Trade Center do? What was in WTC 7? A lot of files, transactions, mega-financial deals, etc. But now it's all turned to dust.

Hmm.

You are funny to still call it "assumption".

Cells plotting attacks are broken up constantly.

Yes. They are "created" by the FBI/CIA, and then, luckily they are caught by those same agencies!

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/nov/16/fbi-entrapment-fake-terror-plots

http://edition.presstv.com/detail/159058.html

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-fbi-entrapment-is-inventing-terrorists-and-letting-bad-guys-off-the-hook-20120515

They create a "problem", and then proudly intervene with the "solution". This way we are all aware of that problem we have with "terrorism" and appreciate our governement agencies for "keeping us safe". We also totally acknowledge the need for these government agencies to "spy" on its citizens, they really need to watch those pesky terrorists.

Unless you just so happen to know their agenda, this question is idiotic, not to mention a fallacy. It makes the assumption of some grand master plan being in the works and not an event perpetrated by rogue group

The circular logic in this post is astounding.