Eugene Mallove "fell off a building" only weeks after writing this open letter: http://www.pureenergysystems.com/obituaries/2004/EugeneMallove/LastMessage040513/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y98YwJ2GEE

I am still disappointed in the bio-diesel movement.

Making fuel off of the West's insatiable appetite for fast-food (indirectly by using an output of theirs as an input for another thing) seems like a perfect symbiotic thing to do, and dare I say it kind of socially Darwinian (adaptation wise?).

Unless I completely missed that bandwagon...

Where is that if you don't mind? Seems kinda silly.

Where is that if you don't mind? Seems kinda silly.

Where is that if you don't mind? Seems kinda silly.

My opinion?

It's nonsense. You can have an extremely efficient system that runs for a very long time with little energy, but you cannot have one that runs forever or gains energy on its own.

but you cannot have one that runs forever or gains energy on its own.

I don't thnk I've actually ever seen anyone (sanely) suggest this. Usually the free energy stuff I see is about tapping into sources of energy that are large enough that relative to our needs would be considered endless. I think zero-point energy is one of this type. It's the energy that holds the fabric of the universe together, so it's all around us. It's not infinite but it's a big enough pool to basically be considered infinite.

(and I'm not suggesting zero point is legit, just using it as an illustration)

Usually the free energy stuff I see is about tapping into sources of energy that are large enough that relative to our needs would be considered endless.

Like solar energy?

There's a difference between energy provided by nature, and magic.

There's a difference between energy provided by nature, and magic.

Really? Please do go on. You're really getting us somewhere now.

I'm making the distinction between natural energy of the sun, and the free-energy that nutbags go on about which involves things like perpetual motion machines.

Anyway, the difference being that the sun is limited. So it's gonna 'burn out' eventually, whereas the nutbags think they can make a wheel spin forever and connect a generator to it for free energy.

Ah, so you ignored what I wrote and just continued on with your thoughts. Great. Have a good day.

You said to go on.

What did I ignore?

nonsense

The church said the same when Copernicus gave an unusual alternative to the solar system theory.

Except his alternative had evidence behind it.

Free energy doesn't simply not have any evidence in favor of it, but has convincing evidence against it.

Free energy also has evidence to support it's theory, only that this theory has come under attack by other people like you without any evidence or in some cases manipulation of scientific data to deliberately vilify the scientists and their theory.

Free energy also has evidence to support it's theory

Do you have examples?

The Sun.

Teh End.

yeah if only they took the cash from 1 nuclear bomb factory and ploughed it into solar research instead, eh?

I heard of an invention to modify a cars fuel system and heat the fuel up before it goes into the combustion chamber resulting in huge increases in mpg due to the fact less fuel got used. Something to do with expanding the fuel and wasting less.

Supposedly the idea/patent was bought out by some big oil company and buried forever.

No it was something to do with heating the fuel line itself not the engine.

And you likely haven't heard of it thanks to big oil

It has to be a specific temperature from what I understand. The heat from am engine is too hot. I forget what the temp was but something barely over 100 f

I think you are talking about the Tom Ogle carburetor.

Supposedly it worked by super-vaporizing the gasoline using steam. The principle is that gas only burns as vapor, so a ton of it goes out the exhaust unburned. Thats what the catalytic converters are for, burning up the gas that wasn't burned in the engine. If you can vaporize the gas more, you get more use out of it and less is wasted.

They found him dead in the desert at age 26 from an apparent "overdose" before he could fully market the idea. There are some stories about people being followed and harassed for trying to revive the project.

Yes i believe this is it. I didn't hear he died though. I had heard he was "bought out" ... that's a shame. Thanks for the link.

Nikola Tesla

So the story goes.

I'm open to the possibility that some ancient civilizations had far greater understanding of electromagnetism than we give them credit for. I've seen some documentaries that propose that the Pyramids were capable of harnessing electrical power from the Earth itself. There's also some evidence that Nikolai Tesla rediscovered some of the ancient knowledge.

Obviously there are those who don't like the idea of a safe, clean, universally available power source that provides power for almost zero cost.

The pyramid power theory doesn't really make much sense though, since we do not have any evidence of it, and the origin was a dowsing author in the 1930's.

It makes some sense in that the principles of the theory are known to work. And we also know that the ancient people were utilizing electricity for some purposes yet unknown, as evidenced by the discovery of ancient batteries.

No one would have believed that the ancient Greeks were capable of building an intricate mechanical computer if the Antikythera mechanism had never been found. The batteries are proof that electricity was known in the ancient world, but what is hard to prove is how extensively it was utilized.

Academia seems rather apt to dismiss anything that doesn't fit with the notion that modern humans are smarter than the ancients, when it's clear that they had insights into things about the cosmos that we are only now rediscovering some inkling of.

It makes some sense in that the principles of the theory are known to work.

That's the issue. They aren't know to work at all.

And we also know that the ancient people were utilizing electricity for some purposes yet unknown, as evidenced by the discovery of ancient batteries.

If you're referring to the Baghdad battery, it is actually far more likely that it was never a battery in the first place.

No one would have believed that the ancient Greeks were capable of building an intricate mechanical computer if the Antikythera mechanism had never been found.

It's not that they could never have built it, so much as nothing had previously pointed to them building such a machine. And on top of this, the mechanism did not use electricity.

The batteries are proof that electricity was known in the ancient world, but what is hard to prove is how extensively it was utilized.

Same issue as before.

Academia seems rather apt to dismiss anything that doesn't fit with the notion that modern humans are smarter than the ancients, when it's clear that they had insights into things about the cosmos that we are only now rediscovering some inkling of.

Nobody ever claims that ancient humans were idiots (except people like Von Daniken who actively claim they could not have built anything). Just look at the Mayan's knowledge of astronomy, and with other civilizations, the large number of mathematical advancement, and the impressive feats of engineering (although both of these apply to the Mayans also). Nobody ever claimed they were stupid, but is is a little out there to claim they were actually more advanced than modern humans, especially sing our modern civilizations are direct descendants of said previous civilizations.

I get the feeling you read more "debunking" material than you do anything else.

Actually, the thing I look for more than anything else is unbiased sources that do not use sketchy techniques.

No it was something to do with heating the fuel line itself not the engine.

And you likely haven't heard of it thanks to big oil