We need fewer rules, not more.

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or is sick of the JIDF tactics to shutdown any and all debate.

you are part of the problem

Regardless of your opinions about the OP, personal attacks like this aren't welcome here. This is your warning.

You're still able to post all the racist content you want. Do you really want nobody able to even respond to it, like in /r/holocaust where all discussion is banned?

discussion is not banned in r/holocaust

Anything posted that supports the idea that there was a holocaust is removed. I've seen it many times.

but so far, in r/conspiracy, these responses tend to amount to "I saw piles of luggage and hair at Auschwitz therefore millions were exterminated in gas chambers, so shut up about Zyklon-B taking 2.5 hours to out-gas you racist neo-nazi!"

The majority of posters agree with you. Whether they're native to the sub or not is up to debate. But your topics mostly spurn discussion and you have 2 or 3 people with "Ilovehitler" usernames posting about how hitler was a great dude.

I don't really think you need even more protection when there is already no rule against anti-semitism, holocaust denial or saying anything about Jews that isn't the K-word. It's a pretty easy path to walk.

It just sounds you don't want people who aren't pro-hitler posting on your hitler threads.

There is also a tendency to simply ignore the good aspects of Hiterianism, such as anti-usury and anti-speculation policies, genuine socialist reforms far ahead of anything in the world at that time, monetary nationalism, etc.

Jailing artists, killing jews, being a dictatorship, manipulating the poor, bombing london, invading sovereign countries, attempting to commit genocide.

Evaluating Hitler and National Socialism are complex and difficult tasks. No intelligent, thoughtful person would make it a binary "pro hitler vs anti-hitler" situation.

You say hitler has some problems or faults, you never actually criticise anything to do with him. What did you think of his process of kidnappiong and murdering political opponents? what did you think of kristallnacht? What did you think of the invasion of poland? You're pro-hitler on all counts.

So it's very easy to say that.

just wanting to clarify that you support hitler on every single point, and yes I have read that particular reviionist site before. it doesn't really gel with Goebell's diary, Himmlers speech or the witness accounts of thousands upon thousands of people, photos, inventory lists. All the documents we managed to find despite the nazis doing their best to destroy as much as they could.

I have posted a thread to /r/holocaust seeing as you said non deniers are allowed.

You make a lot of claims that aren't backed by the majority of historians. that tends to be where I put my faith, not in he-said-she-said stuff derived from nazi propaganda.

It's actually a site that hosts the research (with citations) of numerous historians and writers. You can't simply dismiss them all with one broad stroke.

You could say the same thing about IHR which is explicitly an anti-semitic organisation. Also, you have complained that wikipedia wasn't credible when we last spoke ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_for_Historical_Review

Well i guess that's up to you whether being the largest holocaust denial organisation in the US is anti-semitic or not.

I guess it's a coincidence it's a common view of all white supremacists and something stormfront believes. come on man, you have to admit there's a little bit of a racism problem amongst people who deny the holocaust.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Holocaust_denial

<yawn> And to you all white people are supremacists.

no, just the ones who wander around talking about how proud they are that they'rte white. Frankly, I'm still waiting on you providing a single example of someone who is proud of being white who isn't also a racist. I've certainly never encountered one in my time online. I think people care, or they wouldn't bother reading/disagreeing.

More lazy Wikipedia bullshit. You know the social sciences there are edited by activists.

Wikipedia, you mean the site backed up by sources after each sentence? That one?

Look, I get you only accept sources that are pre-approved by nazi historians or holocaust denial organisations. But this is why you are the way you are. You choose what kind of information to trust, and the information you trust is exclusively only the pro-hitler kind.

Frankly, I'm still waiting on you providing a single example of someone who is proud of being white who isn't also a racist. I've certainly never encountered one in my time online. I think people care, or they wouldn't bother reading/disagreeing.

This is a very enlightening debate you are sharing here and I would hate to interrupt, but... your logic is faulty.

I'm a black man. Am I proud of it? Well, it's not of my doing, unlike my website, which I designed very well, of that I'm proud, but... yeah. I don't have to make excuses for being black, I'm not ashamed of the tone of my skin, it is who I am so yes, I'm proud of it, just like I'm proud of my beautiful hair. Yet, I find white women beautiful, and asian men, and Native American people as well. All the "races", skin tones, and particular features like almond-shaped eyes and big butts and huge, beak-shaped noses and fat lower lips are all beautiful, just as I like German Shepherds and Yorkshire Terriers and Rhodesian Ridgebacks and Old English Bulldogs. There is not one race I prefer, or esteem more highly than the other, not one I like least, and not one I want to totally eradicate, exterminate, and wipe from the map of the planet, not one I think should rule over the others or enforce its values over any other, nor one which should be slave to any other. I see they all have different characteristics, a sort of "identity" or "stereotype", which is mostly, obviously, for cultural, not genetic or "inherent" reasons, but is valuable nontheless and adds to the beauty of differentness and diversity. I think we should all live in peace and harmony, and all I said is true except that I'm European, "white", with Asian, Frisian, and (just maybe) Jewish ancestors mixed in many generations ago.

Just because some idiot racists who know nothing about history or politics regurgitate some bullshit they found somewhere does not make everyone who makes an effort to share the truths he found an anti-semite, racist, Nazi sympathisant or white supremacist simply by contradicting the dominating narrative. I, for example, think that the best way to achieve peace and prosperity for all mankind on this beautiful planet of ours we will be forced to share for quite a few millennia still is by getting rid of all the lies and taboos that were fabricated to keep everyone in place (divided, that is), and if only for the simple reason that then the idiot racists - be they black or white or brown or pink with yellow and green stripes - would have no ground to stand on anymore.

People should be free to share information about history without being called names. If the information is false, debunk it, so it can go down the sewers of oblivion and background noise. If it is correct, adjust your world view or be stubborn, and carry on. Why make claims that everyone who isn't ashamed of being white or black or brown or pink with blue and magenta stripes is automatically racist?

I don't think you understood what I was talking about, and you didn't answer the question you quoted.

I, for example, think that the best way to achieve peace and prosperity for all mankind on this beautiful planet of ours we will be forced to share for quite a few millennia still is by getting rid of all the lies and taboos that were fabricated to keep everyone in place (divided, that is), and if only for the simple reason that then the idiot racists - be they black or white or brown or pink with yellow and green stripes - would have no ground to stand on anymore.

So stop talking about racism and it will go away? yeah, that doesn't work. Honestly I'm not even sure what you're talking about.

I think we should all live in peace and harmony, and all I said is true except that I'm European, "white", with Asian, Frisian, and (just maybe) Jewish ancestors mixed in many generations ago.

This is a nice wish but racism exists.

People should be free to share information about history without being called names. If the information is false, debunk it, so it can go down the sewers of oblivion and background noise. If it is correct, adjust your world view or be stubborn, and carry on. Why make claims that everyone who isn't ashamed of being white or black or brown or pink with blue and magenta stripes is automatically racist?

I didnt say any of that. I said people who say "white pride" are all racist. I've never talked to a person who wasn't a racist who was proud of being "white", whatever that means. I have no problem with peopel taking pride in being a minority or nation. But white isn't a thing.

I have no idea how a "I don't see race" person ended up on a thread about Jews. But yeah I have no idea what you're even trying to say here.

White pride is a term used by white supermacists exclusively. Gay pride, as a counter example, is not often used by bigots. So ... yeah, historical context matters.

So stop talking about racism and it will go away? yeah, that doesn't work.

No, keep accusing people of racism just because their skin doesn't have enough pigments because of their genes, that will work.

This is a nice wish but racism exists.

Yes, it is the greatest gift ever made to people like you, who love to see a racist behind every bush to reinforce their belief system.

I didnt say any of that. I said people who say "white pride" are all racist. I've never talked to a person who wasn't a racist who was proud of being "white", whatever that means.

You are now. Rejoice! Ask, and learn. How is it possible to be proudly white and not be a racist asshole? Easy.

I have no problem with peopel taking pride in being a minority or nation.

I, on the other hand detest nationalism. Nations are artificial entities, and they all fucked up too much. Why be "proud" to be "Romanian" or "French"? It just makes it easier to drum up support for silly wars against our brethren.

But I have news for you: whites are a minority.

I have no idea how a "I don't see race" person ended up on a thread about Jews.

Did one? I'm not a "I don't see race" person, I'm a "I find all races beautiful and I don't judge by race" person, and I ended up on a thread about how the constant accusations of "antisemitism" and "racism" against each and every person trying to shed some light onto what really happened are totally annoying and not helpful at all. Because I've been accused of being a racist as well a lot for saying fiat money + usury is a Ponzi scheme, and I've been accused of antisemitism for saying a tower does not fall through and out of itself from top to bottom without some help which shook me deeply back then. It's a topic I have had personal experience with. I almost really became an anti-semite just to make a point - if they accuse me anyways, without any basis, why not act accordingly? Of course never became a racist. That doesn't resonate with my spiritual Feng Shui at all. But I still wonder why people are still so quick to draw that blunted "racism!"-sickle to stifle objective debate whenever someone says something they don't agree with if only somehow a connection can be drawn to (THE) Jews. That's how a "I find all races beautiful and I don't judge by race" person ended up on a thread about the suggestion of "a rule banning baseless, knee-jerk accusations of 'racism' or 'anti-semitism'".

But yeah I have no idea what you're even trying to say here.

Glad that you asked :-) That all people who are not racist should embroider a swastika on their favourite t-shirt to make its dark magic by association powerless and charge it with positive emotions again as a sign of luck and prosperity, like in the good old days. That people should be able to come forward with their evidence and reasons if they are true and sound, even if everyone else disagrees. That nobody should throw the worst of all accusations around as if they were candy beyond BBE date to disrupt scientific debate, because it renders the accusation powerless after some time, like the kid that cried "Wolf!" too often (I mean, what words will you use if one day really some whackos start sending people of a particular race/creed/nationality into concentration camps again? "Racism?" lol, the last time you said that you were accusing someone on the internet whose intentions you didn't know at all). That I hope the day will come when all this divisiveness will be over and we can start co-operating instead of fighting each other over bullshit.

You are now. Rejoice! Ask, and learn. How is it possible to be proudly white and not be a racist asshole? Easy.

i don't have time to check but weren't you pretending to be non-white the post before this? maybe it was someone else.

But no, sorry. None of what you said really made any sense to me. Maybe it was a good read for someone else. "white" isn't a thing to be proud of. It's not even an actual ethnicity.

Because I've been accused of being a racist as well a lot for saying fiat money + usury is a Ponzi scheme,

That doesn't even make sense

and I've been accused of antisemitism for saying a tower does not fall through and out of itself from top to bottom without some help which shook me deeply back then.

I'm so confused, some of your most recent comments seem to be debunking 9/11 conspiracy theories, and you post to /r/conspiratard. And you don't really think the jews did 9/11 did you? I know the conspiracy theory but if it happened the US was behind it. Or is this the "dancing israeli" argument.

That nobody should throw the worst of all accusations around as if they were candy beyond BBE date to disrupt scientific debate, because it renders the accusation powerless after some time, like the kid that cried "Wolf!" too often

"nobody should call people racist because it ruins the word and people will not think racism is a bad thing anymore!" ridiculous logic.

(I mean, what words will you use if one day really some whackos start sending people of a particular race/creed/nationality into concentration camps again? "Racism?" lol, the last time you said that you were accusing someone on the internet whose intentions you didn't know at all)

Probably genocide? Racism refers to feeling better than other races, ie being proud you're white and not a minority.

None of what you said really made any sense to me. "white" isn't a thing to be proud of. It's not even an actual ethnicity.

Absolutely right. Basques, Nordics, Bretons, you had moorish people (Beethoven!) and Mongolians all over the place in Europe, constant movement north-south east-west because of wars and famines and whatnot. But look if you don't find differences between East African and West African phenotypes. Or the gradient between Greece, Turkey, Persia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Hindistan and Thailand to Japan or the north route via Georgia and Tuva, then around the Bering Strait or Hawaii to the Eskimos and Azteks. They're all proud of what they are. Why wouldn't the same be allowed to people who identify as "white"?

Because I've been accused of being a racist as well a lot for saying fiat money + usury is a Ponzi scheme,

That doesn't even make sense

That's what I'm saying. Since mostly banks and politicians and corporations are behind the Ponzi scheme, which, I was told, is a hidden code for "Jews" (presumably because many bankers, politicians and producers are Jews) and so the mathematical proof for the monetary system being a Ponzi scheme only reveals a hidden, latent, racist, genocidal ideology. I'm not making this up, you're getting the mortal remains of six million people rubbed under your nose when you say money needs demurrage.

some of your most recent comments seem to be debunking 9/11 conspiracy theories

Yes, I love to debunk plot hole ridden narratives. Where did Gandalf get Glamdring back, or Luke his green lightsaber? Why did the Twin Towers collapse? Why does George Clooney float into outer space in "Gravity" absent the required momentum? Why are astronauts drowning in their suits? Why is ISS footage never longer than a vomit comet 0g-phase? And why did all the dwarves go north - is earth hollow after all?

And you don't really think the jews did 9/11 did you?

Nah, the Jews are cool. But I do think there were Jews among those who profited from 9/11, that I do think. Jews, and Christians, and freemasons, nihilists, atheists, satanists, islamists, even the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Pastafari.

Or is this the "dancing israeli" argument.

I know of an Israeli dance, called the "Hora". It works well to classics like "Havah Nagila". I know what story you refer to, but is that a Real Case Against Jews like the one Marcus Eli Ravage presented?

"nobody should call people racist because it ruins the word and people will not think racism is a bad thing anymore!" ridiculous logic.

Is that what you take from it? You think too complicated. Laws must be short, sweet, precise and to the point because it later is important to be able to interpret its intent.

"You should not call people racist without reason, because racism is a bad thing!" Replace racist with wife beater or whatever. It's not cool. Do it only to escalate aggression.

Probably genocide?

Ridiculous! It was called "genocidal" when a Cologne Landgericht decided the amputation of the foreskin without medical indication constitutes a violation of the child's human and constitutional right to intactness (because a Muslim boy's initiation ritual got botched and he had to be sent to hospital) to settle a legal question. "Jewish life would be impossible in Germany", the Rabbi said on prime time TV, how dare this very nation impose its laws on the very thing that defines Judaism. You know, a Landgericht. No, "genocide" is too small a word, it's blunt and used up as well. Try something that really cuts through the heart. A phrase so outrageous, it stirs unstoppable revolt against an injustice of so vast proportions, a horror beyond imagination you can't describe it.

"Genocide", pfft. It would not be the first nor the last one in the history of mankind. No, a mightier, sharper word you need. The one to end all debate and make the evildoer realize his idiocy and repent.

Racism refers to feeling better than other races,

Hm, hm, hm, yes, it says something like that in my dictionary.

ie being proud you're white and not a minority.

Whites are not a minority? What? I don't quite follow you. You don't make any sense, please explain.

Only whites can be racist? What? A Negro, a Jew, an Asian, an Eskimo, an Arab, a Massai, a Navajo, an Aborigine cannot be racist? Do they become white from being racist? Flush out all their pigments with their urine by speaking "I am proud to be white, and not a minority, and I will rape and enslave and torture and utterly devour with cleansing fire and flame all Untermenschen with more skin pigments than me!"? Ah, you sweet summer child, you know nothing yet about cruel communities among Islamists and Black Supremacists and the gangs in Israel harassing people of colour, of Turks in Germany complaining about Gypsies and Russians in France about the Polish, how the Han relate to the rest of China and how Native North Americans are secretly plotting the total annihilation of the White Man in retaliation for the genocide. Are they all racist or just scared of something they don't understand and have no control over?

If you wish, you may now come to your senses.

Look I don't have time to read that. Good luck with the white rights movement and taking it back from the white supremacists. I'm sure that is achievable.

Your writing style is just too poorly parsed for me to get through that. And you basically have no real argument, just conjecture and bizarre leading questions.

I think i'm done here.

Your writing style is just too poorly parsed for me to get through that.

I apologize for my bad style, English is not my first language.

And you basically have no real argument, just conjecture and bizarre leading questions.

It must look like that to an anti-white racist, yes, yes, I understand.

I think i'm done here.

Have a nice one :-)

"anti-white racist". Another term used exclusively by white supremacist. Do you also think there's a thirld world genocide of white people coming and that we won't even be speaking english in the US 50 years from now?

Explains a lot

Why do you do what you do?

We ban enough things here (which is dramatically less than anywhere else and why I still hang around).

I have to respectfully disagree.

Don't like it? Downvote & Move On™ (still thinking about making T-Shirts).

Sounds like you have two rules that cover your OP request then? Maybe just message the mods and see if they can explain why some rules are selectively enforced?

Rock and roll bud.

To be fair we call out shills when they make themselves obvious enough and don't get banned for it, I'm with James on this.

If one is afforded the ability to post exclusively controversial content of one particular theory day after day to the point that many, many other sub users view the former as racist or antisemetic, then it must also be afforded the ability for the latter to voice their opinions.

Does it change what you believe, when others dont believe it? Does it change your observations or your statistics when others deny it? Do facts change just because it might hurt ones feelings? You, and a few other posters, tend to post a shit ton of holocaust revisionism stuff. I mean, you guys are obsessed with it. Which is okay. Its your right to whatever obsession. But, because you and those others are almost 100% exclusive to that one theory, and all of your comment histories, it paints a very clear picture. You guys are less interested with r/conspiracy and only wish to use it platform to disseminate your beliefs.

If thats not bannable, then voicing ones opinion against it should not be bannable either. Period.

Although framed in a reasonable manner, your comment amounts to a defense of this disruptive, dishonest, and anti-intellectual approach to discussion and debate.

Im defending both sides, actually. I align myself with those who view pathological holocaust revisionism posting as a sign of blatant or latent (depends) racism. When the comment history checks out, well, it is supportive. But i also align myself with those who say that there are things that dont add up in the official story. Whichever way, i will not claim things as fact, as both sides of the argument are riddled with inconsistencies, logical fallacies, and speculative claims passed along as fact. So i stand apart from both groups, as well. (If that makes sense)...

separate account for Holocaust revisionism

I havent considered that you might be using an alternate account for such a topic. That makes sense, amd i wouldnt blame you. However, i find that still questionable, as i have commented plenty of times about holocaust revisionism, and participated many times in these kinds of discussions. Nobody calls me a racist, or antisemetic. Why is that?

I have questioned the official holocaust narrative, and yet nobody sends me PM threats, nobody creates a thread about me over in r/isrconspiracyracist, and nobody attacks me with ad hominem in a manner that you describe. There must be a reason why i am able to discuss these things, when others are less successful. Theres gotta be something that causes others to have to use alternate accounts, when i dont have to.

There is a difference, between you and me, and betwen the others and me.

Btw, for what its worth, i want to thank you for being cordial about this. You must understand my skepticism of your motives, but also keep in mind that there is a fair balance in life, and its grayscale, not black/white.

Yes please

i think this is primarily covered in rule 10 where we should lower ourselves to pety insults, and name calling. and yes, i know the hypocracy of me saying that. working on it. a lil better each day, thanks for the concern =)

It has been discussed a bit recently but no commitment has been made yet.

It would definitely shorten the threads. But how would the shills earn their nickels for B.J.'s money?

two factions: those that know & those that don't want the rest to find out.

This can already be addressed through rule 10, and technically rule 2 via rule 1 when necessary, possibly rules 4 or 5 if it were to become excessive.

Source: I was a mod here previously.

Although framed in a reasonable manner, your comment amounts to a defense of this disruptive, dishonest, and anti-intellectual approach to discussion and debate.

Im defending both sides, actually. I align myself with those who view pathological holocaust revisionism posting as a sign of blatant or latent (depends) racism. When the comment history checks out, well, it is supportive. But i also align myself with those who say that there are things that dont add up in the official story. Whichever way, i will not claim things as fact, as both sides of the argument are riddled with inconsistencies, logical fallacies, and speculative claims passed along as fact. So i stand apart from both groups, as well. (If that makes sense)...

separate account for Holocaust revisionism

I havent considered that you might be using an alternate account for such a topic. That makes sense, amd i wouldnt blame you. However, i find that still questionable, as i have commented plenty of times about holocaust revisionism, and participated many times in these kinds of discussions. Nobody calls me a racist, or antisemetic. Why is that?

I have questioned the official holocaust narrative, and yet nobody sends me PM threats, nobody creates a thread about me over in r/isrconspiracyracist, and nobody attacks me with ad hominem in a manner that you describe. There must be a reason why i am able to discuss these things, when others are less successful. Theres gotta be something that causes others to have to use alternate accounts, when i dont have to.

There is a difference, between you and me, and betwen the others and me.

Btw, for what its worth, i want to thank you for being cordial about this. You must understand my skepticism of your motives, but also keep in mind that there is a fair balance in life, and its grayscale, not black/white.

You are now. Rejoice! Ask, and learn. How is it possible to be proudly white and not be a racist asshole? Easy.

i don't have time to check but weren't you pretending to be non-white the post before this? maybe it was someone else.

But no, sorry. None of what you said really made any sense to me. Maybe it was a good read for someone else. "white" isn't a thing to be proud of. It's not even an actual ethnicity.

Because I've been accused of being a racist as well a lot for saying fiat money + usury is a Ponzi scheme,

That doesn't even make sense

and I've been accused of antisemitism for saying a tower does not fall through and out of itself from top to bottom without some help which shook me deeply back then.

I'm so confused, some of your most recent comments seem to be debunking 9/11 conspiracy theories, and you post to /r/conspiratard. And you don't really think the jews did 9/11 did you? I know the conspiracy theory but if it happened the US was behind it. Or is this the "dancing israeli" argument.

That nobody should throw the worst of all accusations around as if they were candy beyond BBE date to disrupt scientific debate, because it renders the accusation powerless after some time, like the kid that cried "Wolf!" too often

"nobody should call people racist because it ruins the word and people will not think racism is a bad thing anymore!" ridiculous logic.

(I mean, what words will you use if one day really some whackos start sending people of a particular race/creed/nationality into concentration camps again? "Racism?" lol, the last time you said that you were accusing someone on the internet whose intentions you didn't know at all)

Probably genocide? Racism refers to feeling better than other races, ie being proud you're white and not a minority.