I've noticed this as well, but I'm in Canada.

I've noticed similar criss cross patterns that eventually spread out into this milky-white haze... but I have to be honest with myself that I didn't start paying attention to this until after I was aware of chemtrails, so I'm not too sure if it's just the norm.

I am starting to think that might somehow be part of the plan.

I've been on the fence regarding chem/con trails for some time. But I can tell you this, since I was a kid I have been obsessed with airplanes, always looking up at them for hours on end, and "contrails" didn't trail the way they do now. I remember specifically how you'd watch the trail dissipate pretty much within a minute or two from the time it came out of the engine. I have asked parents and relatives, and most that paid attention tended to agree with my observation. So now what has changed in the way that planes fly in the past 25/30 years? What would make it so that now some trails not only linger around for hours, but spread out to become thick milky clouds?

There have been quite a few whistleblowers that have come out and talked about it, hell, geo-engineering isn't a secret, China used it to keep their main stadium from being rained on during the Beijing Olympics, presidents like JFK have talked about it openly.. It is really not that far fetched to think that "something" is being sprayed out of airplanes, the only questions are what, and why.

Why is likely Haarp and what is coal ash.

https://youtu.be/F6r0GqbH9Os

Chemtrails/Spraying is 100 percent real and if you believe otherwise you are either a very uninformed, in denial, or a government shill. I also live in California and have seen for the past 5 years absolute proof that they are spraying.

The shills know the truth.

Chemtrails/Spraying is 100 percent real and if you believe otherwise you are either a very uninformed, in denial, or a government shill.

"If you disagree with me, you're either stupid or being paid." Yeah, no. That's not how that works. Get off your high horse, and provide some evidence, or don't make such ridiculous claims.

Although I don't follow the chemtrail debate too much I'm going to guess that people will say that the conditions on the ground may seem the same to you but up there where the planes are they may be different.

I'm not really sure what to think about the whole issue.

Same crap happens here in the midwest, Wis/Mi/In/IL......they spray cross patterns and then a sunny day turns cloudy and the planes are unmarked, while the passenger juts are marked and don't spray.

At this point, I'm guessing they are poisoning us all to make us sick, or dumb us down, or who knows what....but it would be such an ingenious idea cause it ends up in food, water, air and the elite probably have some sort of supplement that protects the from it

This isn't a theory anymore, it is a fact:
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/02/10/science/ap-us-sci-climate-engineering.html

From the article:
"It's time to study and maybe even test the idea of cooling the Earth by injecting sulfur pollution high in the air to reflect the sun's heat, a first-of-its-kind federal science report said Tuesday. The idea was once considered fringe — to purposely re-engineer the planet's climate as a last ditch effort to battle global warming with an artificial cloud. No longer. In a nuanced, two-volume report, the National Academy of Sciences said that the concept should not be acted upon immediately because it is too risky, but it should be studied and perhaps tested outdoors in small projects."

I work in Northern NJ. Ive noticed recently some days when the skies are clear, I will see LONG trails that seemingly never dissapate, usually 2-3 all heading in the SAME direction spaced out. Go outside an hour later, 2 -3 more lines, same direction, another part of the sky. It goes on everywhere.

I'm still really confused, how do you know they're not ice crystals/liquid water droplets? That's what they look like, clouds, and planes have been creating contrails for quite some time.

What exactly is commonly observed that can't be explained by that?

I don't believe that what is commonly observed can be explained by that phenomena.

Why not?

Today, almost identical conditions, the trails are nowhere to be found.

Can you post the radiosonde readings for the two days so we can see if the temperature and humidity at 30,000 feet were almost identical?

I don't know that since I don't know where in California you live. There are regular radiosonde readings from 3 places in California, and occasional readings from three others.

http://esrl.noaa.gov/raobs/

Station  WBAN  WMO     Lat.     Long.
OAK      23230 72493   37.75   -122.22  OAKLAND  INT AP (twice/day)
NKX      03190 72293   32.87   -117.15  MIRAMAR NAS (twice/day)
VBG      93214 72393   34.75   -120.57  VANDENBERG (once/day)
EDW      03197 72381   34.90   -117.92  EDWARDS/AFB - UPPER AIR
NSI      93116 72291   33.25   -119.45  SAN NICOLAS ISLAND/SITE1
NTD      93111 72391   34.10   -119.12  POINT MUGU

Then why would you make claims about conditions being identical? Ground temperature and humidity does not represent the atmosphere at 20,000+ feet.

Its bad here in KY. Clear skies and a warm day with planes making these patterns all over the place. Then you get a hazy sky, cold sometimes rainy day the next.

Anti-cloud spray. Youre welcome citizen, now move along.... nothing to see here.

Anti terrorist cloud spray.

If you are against it, you are with the terrorists.

I don't know if that was sarcasm or not but it is strange that here in CA where they are spraying, we are having really bad drought.

They're actually doing the opposite in CA. They're starting to try cloud seeding programs to encourage precipitation, which has had positive results in NV for several decades.

Your picture of the sky is proof that contrails are actually chemicals being released? I don't understand why. I would urge you to research the science behind contrails and the reason that they may appear on one day and not on another (hint, it has to do with humidity and general weather patterns).

Can I ask you how you believe this is being done? Who is doing the spraying? What is the goal? What equipment are they using?

Hmm, glancing at the site I see a few levels of possible conspiracies about chemtrails. I am interested in which one you believe. There is the belief in chemicals being used to change weather patterns (I have no problem accepting this) and there are people that believe that commercial airliners are spraying chemicals.

Why won't you make a case for anything? Obviously geo-engineering exists in some way. Nobody really denies that. So what is the conspiracy?

I am curious about the theory and I thought that was what this sub was all about. I am genuinely interested in various conspiracies, but I don't find many convincing, because they lack evidence. So I am trying to talk about one that I find interesting and question your beleifs. I thought that this sub loved questioning narratives and asking questions.

It's almost like contrails only form under the same conditions at which clouds do. Imagine that!

Am I to believe that commercial airlines vary their flight plans so much so that as many as 30 planes transverse the area on Monday, followed by none on Tuesday?

What's so unbelievable about this?

Care to explain your pattern of logic? What's so unbelievable about there being more air traffic on a Monday?

What evidence do you have that planes weren't going over tuesday? They do not always leave persistent contrails, it is dependent on conditions at that particular level. Or were you watching all day?

Have you double checked your suspicions with a flight tracker? I haven't tried myself but I'm pretty sure there are sites that display flight information. I think you can even get flight numbers, which would allow you to track which airlines and planes are "spraying" to look for any correlation.

Furthermore, it would depend on you area, but it is possible that upper air conditions are different above you and have resulted in flights taking alternate paths compared to yesterday. The position of the Jet stream in particular can influence flight paths.

If you want to be scientific you need to rule out other possibilities, especially when your claim is as vague as it is.

flight aware is pretty awesome, check it out.

Just saying, you need to eliminate possible explanations through proper research before jumping to any conclusions. Considering the scale of air travel and the parties involved, you are trying to propose a conspiracy involving thousands of people, at the very minimum. Your explanation sits as one of the least probable at this time. If you want skeptics to take it serious, you are going to need to prove your suppositions by eliminating other possible explanations through research and collecting positive evidence for your own claim.

Aside from the suggestions I presented in the last comment, you may consider contacting aviation experts in your area.

I've lived in a "flight corridor" and sometimes you got a lot of planes, sometimes none. I felt it depended on the weather locally, but I'll bet it also depends on weather conditions further away (i.e. planes are avoiding New Jersey because of thunderstorms).

Anyway, that really doesn't seem unreasonable - if you're going to make an extreme claim you need more evidence than "different amounts of air traffic on different days".

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Don't hijack the name of science

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In the first and third pictures, you see both clouds and contrails. In the second picture, you see neither. What would that say to you?

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