Considering the fact that you were actually pushing a personal agenda, I'm not sure what the problem is.

What is wrong with having a personal agenda?

Nothing, really. Except when the rules say "don't push a personal agenda," you probably shouldn't push a personal agenda.

Unless your agenda is pro-vaccine, then you can post all day long.

Exactly.

It does seem hypocritical. There are many users with posts/comments that have a personal agenda. His is just one for which they don't care.

Amen.

What was his personal agenda other than an attempt to validate his own research and get feedback?

U Sirius?

There is a blatant hypocrisy there by the mods.

How do you people continue to not understand that mods own their subs. They can do whatever they want, no matter what you like.

Posting every single time someone deletes posts from their own sub does literally nothing.

It doesn't even do anything within this sub. Most of you already forgot that a week ago the mods here all collectively spit in your face for the half dozenth time by once again reinstating a mod who a) said he'll never step down no matter what anyone here says, cause your aren't important. And b) he also called you all children...ignoring that he banned a number of people just cause they disagreed.

The sooner you realize you are entitled to absolutely nothing from the mods who can do ANYTHING they want, and there is NOTHING you can do about it. Then the sooner you'll stop getting worked up about hypocrisy and whatever.

Yeah capital letters. So worked up. I'm sure you think they were random words to capitalize. Are you the type who can't really make arguments so you just say nonsense and hope things stick?

Get a clue. Cause you still don't get it, even if you did get what... A hundred people to notice let's give it twenty thousand, it doesn't change anything.

There was me, having read the title, thinking that it was because the opposite viewpoint agenda was allowed to the front page.

Hypocrisy.

Great work...don't be dissuaded.

Why is reddit so pro vaccine?

It's a social tyranny. It only took a few to start shunning the dissenters, everyone else just jumped on the hate train to fit in. Same goes with conspiracy theories. (yet when Russian political opponents are mysteriously murdered, conspiracy theories get the green light from the masses if it's about them bad Russians)

Being Anti-anti-vaccine is appealing to many people who consider themselves "intellectuals" and relish trolling, they can half-ass the the intellectual part (hurdur science) and go all out on ad hominem while being supported by the masses, they're all doing it too.

Shills

I think it's because most people only get the gist of how vaccines work and don't know of any downsides.

It just seems like manufactured public opinion, conspiracy theorists and Anti Vaxers seem to be painted with the same broad brush.

Gulf of tonkin = tinfoil hat, that type of shitty thinking.

I think it is too. I didn't even know that antivaxxers existed until that blonde bimbo started raising hell about it. Now everyone that shares similar sentiments is lumped together with her

The amazing thing to me is that the backlash against McCarthy was pretty well justified, and then it seemed to have died down for a year or two.

Then all of a sudden it was like she was the rep of every person who wants to be cautious about vaccines. She hadn't even been part of the narrative for so long but suddenly it was a valid argument again to lump everyone in with her.

It really seemed like a controlled effort.

Most people don't know how vaccines even work.

They're basically considered magic. Everyone I talk to about vaccines got their information from 2 minute soundbites on TV, or Youtube videos.

I'm constantly flabbergasted when I realize nobody else actually reads the papers that supposedly "settle" the science.

Science is becoming a religion.

Nobody actually wants to know about actual science. They just want to be able to appeal to perceived scientific authority when it suits their agenda.

Big Pharma has a lot of money and propaganda is incredibly effective.

The general population is pro-vaccine for a combination of reasons.

First off, a lot of them really do work. I'm sure I'll be downvoted for writing that here in /r/conspiracy because that doesn't match our preconceived notions and we won't do or won't believe the research / science. But it's the truth, and the people know it's the truth. There are diseases that have been all but eradicated among vaccinated populations in timeframes that correspond exactly with the availability of the vaccinations, and people do know that. Anyway, bring on the downvotes.

Second, they are confronted with the anti-vac movement which tells them that none of them work and all of them are dangerous and have used idiotic spokespeople like Jenny McCarthy to do it. This isn't the truth and it's pretty plainly clear that it isn't the truth, so they discount everything else negative anyone says about any vaccine, period.

So now you have a situation where there really are some potentially harmful vaccines and some vaccines that really don't do much of anything aside from adding to the bottom lines of big pharma... but everyone's just blanket using them anyway because of the combination of bullshit they see from both sides of the issue.

What is needed to shine the light on the truth is an organization that will act in a reputable, responsible manner. By that, I mean an organization that will actually compile the science, do their own testing when necessary, and say whatever the science tells them is accurate, without catering to any agenda whatsoever. Such an organization would necessarily say, "These vaccines are just fine, and here's the evidence that shows they're safe and effective," for some vaccines, because it's the truth for some vaccines. It would also say, "These vaccines have harmful ingredients in harmful doses and here's the evidence to back that up," and "These vaccines, while not apparently harmful, seem to be about as effective as not vaccinating and here's the evidence to back that up."

Until an organization chooses to tell the complete, accurate story on vaccines, you're going to see the vast majority continuing on as they are now, either not vaccinating with anything and putting themselves or their loved ones at undue risk by avoiding the good ones or vaccinating with everything and putting themselves or their loved ones at undue risk by taking the bad ones.

If such an organization were to exist and do that, it would also put immense pressure on Big Pharma and government oversight agencies like the FDA and CDC to clean up their act, and to deliver only those vaccines that they have really tested and proved to be both safe and effective.

The problem is that the amount of time and money required to do this is not in any one's best interests.

To this day, there has still not been any double blind testing on the long term impacts of any vaccination (that I am aware of), which makes it one of the few medical treatments done on any sort of scale being performed with abolutely guarentees of effectiveness or safety.

Double blind tests are the gold standard of medical operations, and yet they are not applied to vaccines.

Make of that what you will.

The problem is that the amount of time and money required to do this is not in any one's best interests.

And the blanket, blatantly false statements coming out of anti-vac that they're all dangerous and ineffective is in... who's best interest?

The lack of due process is criminal... But again, it is not in anyone's interest to do them.

The duration of long term studies is measured in years, which means it will have no affect on the current debate.

Pharma won't do it as it could potentially reduce the earnings from what they sell.

Government bodies could throw resources at it... But these resources could be better spent elsewhere.

It is currently political AND academic suicide if you make a finding contrary to the line being pushed right now.

I can think of no other groups that can do these necessary studies.

link me to a comment on reddit

Thing of it is, I'm not talking about comments on reddit. I'm talking the anti-vac web sites / propaganda.

Can you point me to one web site that tells the whole, agenda-free truth about vaccinations?

I haven't found any, but I might suck at searching.

And so my point stands. We must, each of us, do the research for ourselves because we can't believe anyone.

Because they have critical thinking skills.

Wait - California schools do not currently require children to be vaccinated? That's news to me. I thought all US public school districts did.

Mods were originally allowed to prevent spam and have instead become gatekeepers of political opinions.

Welcome to the new, corporate Reddit.

Mods should take a lesson from /u/axolotl_peyotl. For as much as we've butted heads on a topic we're both intensely passionate about, all he's done is fight fairly. He's never once abused his authority. Mad respect for that. All of them across all of Reddit need to be able to do that or stop being mods.

Hey thanks, actually.

They did the same thing to me on r/documentary when I got into an argument with an r/doc screen name over a PBS doc on the subject. Reddit is completely infiltrated now. Censorship police are on the job.

Just give up. Everyone knows the earth is flat.

I was banned from /r/medicine

You were targeted for your post history. Finding this sub in a post history is now on par with rule breaking. An "official" rule can be stated with plausible effect.

Maybe try /r/askscience?

Annnnnnnnnd it's removed. Fuck what reddit has become.

I think the tone of "Obama not being a doctor" in your post makes it sound personal. It sounds like you think Obama is doing it to push an agenda because he's the President.

You're taking my statement out of context.

That's not what r/medicine sub rules are about. You're tone makes it sound like a personal attack. Let me reference my comment to you again:

"I think the tone of "Obama not being a doctor" in your post makes it sound personal. It sounds like you think Obama is doing it to push an agenda because he's the President. "

Everything relates to the /r/economy.

Because you are actually nuts ffs

was your post all deleted? i see the question you asked, and the fact that you mentioned it was shadow-banned, can you re-post it here?

thank you. this is very good. i had an account shadow-banned myself last week. I want to move away from reddit. .. I usually link this in a discussion about vaccines .. the FDA's list of side possible adverse reactions : http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM101580.pdf

i had an account shadow-banned myself last week. I want to move away from reddit

https://voat.co/

I wonder why you are getting down-voted .. but thanks, I joined :-)

because this place gets brigaded nonstop by other top mind subs :(

Let's take one example from your list, your first point: vaccinations vs sanitation. A simple google search for this would have found your answer:

https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/vaccines-didnt-save-us-intellectual-dishonesty-at-its-most-naked/

Either you didn't conduct a google search, in which case you're incompetent at basic internet functions or you're not asking the question to get an answer, in which case you're a troll.

You're a troll who isn't interested in a reasonable answer, because you've already gotten one multiple times, you just refuse to accept it. You are intellectually dishonest, and until you face that and change your demeanor don't expect anyone to take you seriously, or even humor you, because they should not.

You're the troll, if you look at the contact information on the site you posted the article, the doctors all have debunk type Internet sites, it's completely biased, I guarantee further investigating would show their specific ties to Merk or someone similar. If you type debunk into google this is the type of garbage you get.

http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/the-gmo-controversy/ This is Novella founder of Science Based Medicine on GMOs , he's a corporate shill, and he has no discernable expertise in vaccines. You need to check your research info it's crap.

I just hammered nallen on his post, he's a troll ; keep up the good work!

Looks like you deleted your initial post, and looking at your posts it does sound like you're an anti vaxxer when that sub is called "change my view" you're arguing the anti Vax side without being biased. Anti vaccination topics are a touchy subject when there's tons of crazy anti Vax people out there.

People also pretty much left the anti Vax people alone to their own choices until diseases that have been gone for over 50 years started popping up again. Now it's something that's raising issues and concerns

The only thing I changed was the title to address it to the CMV audience (CMV: There are legitimate scientific concerns about vaccines that are not represented by the current national discussion).

So were you looking to have your view changed?

Of course vaccines should be required. This is idiotic.

Thank you. Read your 10 facts. They're not really even arguments. The only compelling argument is the lack of a double blind test. The fact is, vaccines have been shown to help prevent and cure diseases, and furthermore, do you have any facts that say vaccines are bad at all? They seem to be pretty much harmless.the Vaccine related deaths have to do with poor adminstration, or missing an allergy or some other human error. Some of then may even die from the disease.

the rate of vaccine refusal across the globe has been improved. In recent years, Europe has seen a significant increase in measles cases; France recorded nearly 5,000 cases in the first three months of 2011, compared to the 5,000 cases for all of 2010.

And yes, of course injuries and accidents happen, but that doesn't mean its not good for you. People lose their hair to chemotherapy and sometimes accidents happen, but it still is a cure and it still usually works.

VACCINES PREVENT DISEASSES. You develop immunity because of them. The only reason you don't have polio (or malaria, tetanus, etc.) is because your parents aren't fucking idiots and they vaccinated you.

I don't know much about it, but I'm not actually stupid enough to think vaccines cause autism or whatever.

Nothing, really. Except when the rules say "don't push a personal agenda," you probably shouldn't push a personal agenda.

I think it is too. I didn't even know that antivaxxers existed until that blonde bimbo started raising hell about it. Now everyone that shares similar sentiments is lumped together with her

You're taking my statement out of context.

The problem is that the amount of time and money required to do this is not in any one's best interests.

To this day, there has still not been any double blind testing on the long term impacts of any vaccination (that I am aware of), which makes it one of the few medical treatments done on any sort of scale being performed with abolutely guarentees of effectiveness or safety.

Double blind tests are the gold standard of medical operations, and yet they are not applied to vaccines.

Make of that what you will.