/r/science is holding another pro-vaccine advertise me anything, and my anti-vaxx questions are already shadowbanned.
42 2015-06-03 by high-priest-of-slack
Here is the /r/science thread, and here is my shadowbanned comment. I've pasted the comment below:
The key question is whether or not the transmission of measles has increased to the point where it may once again become endemic in the United States
Why? The recent 'outbreak' of measles at Disneyland was not only a strain of measles that no vaccine offered protection from, but there were no complications or deaths that occurred.
The mortality rate from measles had dropped to 1-2% in the United States in the 1930s, long before any vaccine. In first world conditions, measles is a "self-limiting infection of short duration, moderate severity, and low fatality," A. Langmuir, "The Importance of Measles as a Health Problem," American Journal of Public Health, vol. 52, no. 2, 1962, pp. 1-4.
The CDC website claims the MMR vaccine gives a lifelong protection against all measles: how is it even possible for an outbreak to occur among the vaccinated then, as we saw at Disneyland? If the MMR vaccine gives lifelong immunity, why do you need to keep getting new immunizations for it?
Meanwhile, 100% vaccination rates for measles will not prevent an outbreak. There is no 'eradicating' measles if only enough anti-vaxxers get out of the way.
Moreso, "with widespread administration of the measles vaccine, we expect that the incidence of modified measles will increase in the future", i.e. the more you attempt to vaccinate the more you will introduce measles into the population. The CDC link on measles notes a resurgence in measles in the 1990s in the US, and this is exactly what we would expect from increasing the rate of measles vaccinations.
In the US, you have a higher chance of dying from the measles vaccine than due to measles.
There are also indications that the vaccine leads to measles susceptibility in children. Breastfed infants of vaccinated mothers have nearly three times the risk of measles infection than those of naturally immune mothers. "Infants whose mothers were born after 1963 are more susceptible to measles than are infants of older mothers. An increasing proportion of infants born in the United States may be susceptible to measles," M. Papania et al., "Increased Susceptibility to Measles in Infants in the United States", Pediatrics, vol. 1045, no. 5, e59, November 1999, pp. 1-6. "Our results suggest that infants born to mothers who acquired immunity to measles by vaccination may get a relatively small amount of measles antibody, resulting in loss of the immunity to meales before the vaccination age," Hong Zhao, Pei-Shan Lu, Yali Hu, Qiaozhen Wu, Wenhu Yal, et al., "Low Titers of Measles Antibody in Mothers Whose Infants Suffered From Measles Before Eligible Age for Measles Vaccination", Virology Journal, 2010.
On the other hand, measles can be treated simply with acute Vitamin A doses.
Given all of this, why are you personally afraid of an endemic measles, and why do you think vaccination is the solution?
As a final question, which measles vaccine do you recommend? The MMR vaccine is currently still being recommended by the CDC. Meanwhile, The US government has been suing Merck for several years in an ongoing private case that alleges that Merck attempted to "defraud the United States through an ongoing scheme to sell the government a mumps vaccine that is mislabeled, misbranded, adulterated, and falsely certified as having an efficacy rate that is significantly higher than it actually is". Although this case has been ongoing for several years, all of the details are closed to the public and concerned individual citizens. Why should anyone take the MMR vaccine until they can see the details of seven years of litigation?
I've posted an anti-vaxx comment and would really like a response, in the interest of furthering knowledge, regardless of which side of the fence you may be on.
24 comments
10 mjh808 2015-06-03
Good on you for trying, you'd think more would be at least a little skeptical of companies who aren't liable for any damages their products may inflict.
7 high-priest-of-slack 2015-06-03
It doesn't look like any anti-vaxx questions made it through. Reading through the comments, the vast majority don't understand the anti-vaxx position at all: Jenny McCarthy was a useful propaganda tool.
This is a great place to get started if you're new to this topic and have no idea why anyone would question vaccines.
-11 DaneelR 2015-06-03
They banned you for believing in flat earth pseudoscience.
8 know_comment 2015-06-03
i love it when people break out the "flat earth" insult. The very term was coined for exactly this propagandistic purpose.
-4 DaneelR 2015-06-03
I've been "discussing" his flat earth pseudoscience with him yesterday, he failed to respond when I linked the image of startrails at the equator being straight lines.
5 know_comment 2015-06-03
Oh, you were speaking literally!?
I just came across this:
http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/38dzrs/jtrig_sabotage_on_rconspiracy/
yeah, "flat earth society" has always been a parody for marginalizing people who question state science. if there are people actually trying to push a flat earth theory, they're either really high or they're just trying to stir the pot.
-4 DaneelR 2015-06-03
Yeah, I know. He is stirring the shit, that's why I don't buy anti-vaxxers as well, because it's usually pushed by people believing in reptillians and flat earth.
6 Ziroshi 2015-06-03
So... you dont believe anti-vaxxers because you are too wrapped up in logical fallacys?
Also a good portion of reptilian believers and flat earth believers are probably anti-vaxxers but certainly not the other way around. So your statement was false, and you actually have no reason to not believe anti-vaxxers.
2 high-priest-of-slack 2015-06-03
Straight startrails at the equator are consistent with the Flat Earth model, and if you had actually tried to understand the concept you could have answered that for yourself easily.
You aren't interested in understanding, you see me as the enemy and that is why you are following me around to attack me.
Do you have anything to contribute when it comes to the topic of vaccines or are you now just another account that constantly detracts from this subreddit?
1 DaneelR 2015-06-03
Right, just like people from the southern continents can't take a picture of Polaris. Or how the sun is sinking behind the horizon instead of just getting smaller and smaller.
No worries, you will leave this without a reply, as usual.
1 high-priest-of-slack 2015-06-03
So no, you have nothing to contribute about vaccines and are both attacking the messenger and derailing the thread.
2 Thothx3 2015-06-03
Is the "Flat Earth" attack the new fake "Antisemite" attack?
It looks like the exact same tactic to attempt to discredit anyone you can't do so in a legitimate way.
-1 DaneelR 2015-06-03
He is a flat earth believer, thus being a disinfo agent. Simple as that.
1 Thothx3 2015-06-03
So then you are a "Reality Denier"?
5 [deleted] 2015-06-03
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-9 peetie_p 2015-06-03
You seem pretty smart for /r/conspiracy
5 thatonedude0823 2015-06-03
I love this sub and most of the people in it. If you're being sarcastic you should stop. This is a forum to express and promote ideas. I can choose when to write a "smart" response or when not to. You should write comments to further discussion... not point out (sarcastically) whether or not I'm too smart for a sub. Don't judge me, you don't know my life.
4 FortHouston 2015-06-03
http://www.webmd.com/children/vaccines/news/20150210/measles-vaccine-myths
3 joe-6pak 2015-06-03
advertise-me-anything
Classic.
2 Brendancs0 2015-06-03
Great post fuck those old paradigm bitches Neil de grace Tyson and bill bye can take all the vaccines and die
0 TheGreatGatsbeetle 2015-06-03
Here's your reply.
2 UcDat 2015-06-03
when you got a product to sell your not gonna let facts get in your way at least not someplace as sold out as reddit...
1 Findout246 2015-06-03
Right or wrong, good work.
0 thinkB4Uact 2015-06-03
Authority is the bane of science. Believing anything on the word of authority is folly. It's not much different from believing a religion, because someone told you their book is the word of God.
Science, the process, is about skeptical, critical thinking. One tries to define a phenomenon and then disprove one's hypothesis. Science is not defending an idea by ignoring contradictory ideas and evidence.
Science, the religion, is about looking more intelligent to one's peers by parroting the latest "scientific" ideas of the time from trusted authorities. It is cowardly and not independent minded compared to science. One is relying on others for ones own thought and one can just blame that other if the ideas one propagates turn out to be false. Scientists don't trust, they test.
0 s0a9d8 2015-06-03
Alright, another vaccination post, another opportunity to go higher....
Vaccines are a bandaid, your immune system has already been trained to fight all these germs for thousands of millions of years, and the reason we fail to fight them today and have to go through epidemies is because of our way of life (urban density, terrible diet...)
To make a long story short, your immune system works best at electronic balance. In your tissues is water, and a property of water is the amount of electrons it can give or take from its environment and/or visitors. As you might intuitively expect, either extremes will result in the destructions of your tissues, if you remove electrons from a cell, things will go wrong, if you bombard it with electrons, things will also go wrong. Electronically damaged tissues is a necessary requirement for a demographic explosion of pathogens to occur, whether viral, bacterial, fungal or algaeal. Interestingly, they all have four-polar opposite requirements, but none lies in the middle, and that's the key.
Most of our liquid intake today, including mineral water, is oxidizing. It goes everywhere in our body, and favors the development of virus/fungal infections (and because of the polar nature of the repartition, prohibits the development of bacteria/algae infections). If you stop drinking oxidizing liquids (aka if you start drinking pure water), you leave very very very little room for infections, so little that your immune system will easily take all challengers (it has already defeated them multiple times along your lineage) and then you don't need vaccines to begin with, you naturally get their benefits by catching and beating all the germs live.
Less than 100ppm mineral salts water, 1 liter minimum per day, whichever brand or purifying process you fancy, and you are done with infections. It takes discipline the first few weeks, especially when you come from a 2 liters of coke per day intake, but eventually, it becomes natural and effortless, and then you can laugh at all the people sneezing their way through winters and vaccines.
-1 liverpoolwin 2015-06-03
Big Pharma took over that sub
-12 ScotchTheKing 2015-06-03
Maybe your questions were made so that other's won't see them and catch the awful bullshit you're spreading.