Okay in my opinion it is more of an ancient civilization we know nothing about. Plato said Atlantis others said Limeria. But we do have records of world wide flooding about 6000 years ago. Atlantis could be 20,000-100,000 years old. Human beings has existed for about 250,000 years in our present evolutionary state.

To put it in perspective have you ever hear of the city with an estimated half million people who lived where St. Louis is now, you know the confluence of the Ohio and the Mississippi rivers? No sign of it. All of the most ancient native sites in America are either destroyed or built directly over. IN my home town a monolithic crescent moon on top of a hill has a giant hotel built over it. It was built in 1886 too. A nice natural foundation? Or destruction of the sacred? Its haunted as fuck too I might add. Or as is the other case here in Arkansas, damned up. They damned all the best rivers flooding the best caves halting archeology and destroying the history even more. I would argue that there are cities yet to be discovered that were destroyed by glacial sliding over north America. I would argue about 12,ooo years ago was the great global melting and flooding. This IMO is why most ancient cites are on the equator or Southern Hemisphere. Where flooding and glacial activity would have been minimal. Geological studies of the valleys above like 35 degrees shows signs of being formed by glaciers. The U shaped bowl valley as opposed to a sheer V shape. All of the European and north American monolithic cities (if they ever existed) were destroyed by glaciers or time. Seeing as many were massive but just built of wood not stone. We know Tarra existed in Ireland. The ancient capital of the Thuadedannan It is but a field today but once was a massive city all built of wood like lord of the rings 2. To say the least as we all should know by now history we are taught is just not correct. It is a biblical history if anything. Atlantis metaphorically or literally probably was a thing. Just think how much lower the ocean was if Europe Russia and North America Are all covered in Ice. (think Japanese, Philippine and Greek Islands). Look up Doggerland. Eh I can Give a link. I guess... It is historical fact. This theory is iron clad.

Fellow Arkansan here! Where are these caves you talked about in your comment?

Hey brother! Well, Newton county has some that escaped being dammed up but they aren't on maps. You have to know people who know what hole to go in.

I have been in a couple caves that go miles in. MILES. We turned back after like eight hours because the flashlights were running out of batteries. There is a giant lake/sea/ocean under Arkansas.

The caves I'm mainly talking about the White River Valley, but I have no idea how riddled Missouri is. The Mark Twain national forest I'm sure has hidden history. But I have been in and heard stories from around North West area around Eureka Springs.

Before Columbus brought so many diseases there was a huge trade route to get to the Mississippi on the White River. Archaeological evidence suggests that there was more people living along the river 1000 years ago than do now.

This state once had forests so massive with trees the size of redwoods. All gone.

I would suspect there are many monolithic stone circles and altars that were destroyed like the moon i aforementioned.

That's very interesting. I was up in Ponca a couple months ago camping, and there were a lot of places that struck me as odd, and if I wasn't in a group I would've wandered around to see what I can find. I have a lot of friends that interested in conspiracies, but I didn't know Arkansas had this many secrets. I've also been interested in the Toltec mounds in Scott, but a friend told me he camped out there and there is a purely evil presence there. May I ask what part of ARkansas you're in?

Yeah man we really have no idea the secrets. Mena, Clinton's coke stash, Civil war gold, Fremasons, Albert Pike. Ponce de Lion went crazy looking for the fountain of youth around these parts.

The mounds fascinate me. Almost as much as the Paris rune stone. Vikings in Arkansas? Have you been to lost valley? It's near where the Elk live in Ponca. The Buffalo is the place to find ancient bits of the once great past of Arkansas. There are spots that are basically natural forts. Impossible to invade valleys.

I'm near, Fayettville. PM me we can start the Arkansas conspiracy organization lol.

Been wanting to pick up this book

What's up with Albert Pike? I'm from Hot Springs and one of our "major" highways is named after him.

Lots of stuff. Heard a legend that he ordered the confederate gold buried in North West Arkansas. In hopes that one day they could dig it up and the south would rise again. The KKK has freemasonry connections. The elite around here idolize Pike. I would like to know more.

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Source?

http://threeworldwars.com/albert-pike2.htm

I have no idea how riddled Missouri is

Missouri is LOUSY with caves, all across the state. GIANT caves.

Re: the old forests, a colleague has a wall hanging featuring a narrative by a logger who helped clear the old American southern forests from Georgia to Texas, about how the entire area was a giant forest and now it's all been cut down.

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Pshh, check your privilege. Eight hours total spelunking.

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Look up karst topography. This area is honeycombd with massive cave systems. And look up cosmic cavern one of said caves. What would pictures from inside a cave prove to you? That rocks exist?

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Then I want graphic pics of the moment of your conception. Don't have them? Clearly you don't exist. You're a ghost, dude. Get off the internet.

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What are you like 11? Get off the internet kid. Your mommy's gonna whoop your ass.

You are stupid.

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I can see why you are downvoted a lot.

Well at least the Cahokian Mounds are still there to show at least something was there.

Exactly, those are just enough to confuse the fuck out of anthropologists who claim the extent of north american technology was the flint napped spear.

Can you tell me the name of that hotel on the crescent moon?

The crescent hotel ;)

Heh I should have known! I'm in an occult-y mood today and wanted to research some spooky stuff, so thank you!

It's a interesting building to say the least. Read about Dr. Baker.

But we do have records of world wide flooding about 6000 years ago.

Source?

Look it up yourself next time. http://www.earthage.org/EarthOldorYoung/scientific_evidence_for_a_worldwide_flood.htm

Before you embarass yourself further, please look up the meanings of "evidence", " scientific method" and "scientific theory".

Or just name the scientif theory that describes evidence for a world wide flood 6000 years ago.

Okay.. What evidence are you looking for?

Scientific evidence.

How about this? http://www.icr.org/geological-strata

Did you look up the terms I listed?

You linked to a couple of sentences that make some claims. No source, no observations, no mechanism, no experiments, no conclusilon, nothing.

Is that what you think scientific evidence is?

Do you have even a rudimentary knowledge about how science is done?

I gave you a link to a geographic study? Geography isn't science?

You gave a link to a short article on a website that has been debunked a million times.

That's not a scientific study.

Maybe I'm missing something. What's the name of the study, who is tje author and in which scientific journal was it published?

Did you look up the terms I gave you? Do you understand what they mean?

Check out Graham Hancock's work. He has a new book coming out very soon and given what I've seen from his presentations on it, it's more or less conclusive there was an earlier advanced civilisation on this planet.

Hancock is a hack, I have a hard time believing him on much. It all seems like re packaged Theosophy. Look up HP Blavatski and the theosophical society. Hancock is basically another David Hatcher Childress.

Hancock isn't a hack. He may not be right on some things but he has an open mind and truly is just on the search for knowledge and the truth. The guy who runs/or ran(can't remember if he's still or not) the whole Egyptian stuff is a hack. He's a person locked into his own personal dogma that defends like a fanatical religious crazy, when there are many, many discoveries showing he is wrong on a lot of it, but still refuses to budge from his beliefs.

I read one of his books. Underworld I think. The book is based on the concept that human civilization goes back a lot further than just Egypt or Sumeria.

Even conventional archaeology is backing him up on this one. Catal Huyuk dates back 7500 years and Gobekli Tepe dates back at least 11,000 years.

The only part where Hancock really diverges from the mainstream is suggesting two things. One, that a lot of these civilizations were coastal and their remains are now underwater due to post-glacial rises in ocean level. Two, that at least some of these civilizations were ancestral to those that came afterward.

The only reason (imo) that these ideas are "controversial" is because of a lack of archaeological evidence to support them. This is understandable because it's a lot harder to do underwater archaeology.

I'd be willing to bet good money that time will prove Hancock right.

This I do agree with.

What's wrong with HP Blavatsky?

Nothing, she was brilliant. I just see new agers hijacking her work and stamping their name on it. People do not cite her and they avoid the topic of her influence if able.

What bothers me is that more often then not her ideas are misinterpreted and poorly presented.

Why do you say that?

He just comes off like David Icke to me. Too much speculation not enough citation.

You think? His research is fairly well evidenced.

A "Stonehenge" of monolithic, man-made stones has been found 120ft. (40meters) underwater... in the Mediterranean Sea.

• Enormous monolith, carved 9350 years ago, found under Mediterranean Sea

• http://www.news.com.au/technology/science/enormous-monolith-carved-9350-years-ago-found-under-mediterranean-sea/story-fnjwl1aw-1227476030047

The "officially accepted" ascent of mankind is being pushed by thousands of years by this discovery alone.

There are others which do the same thing in all over the globe.

This shows that the Island of Sicily was very much larger 10,000 years ago than it is now. Perhaps half of its surface area was lost to rising sea levels, so I guess this is one of several possible locations for an ancient Atlantis.

The Azores have some strange things as well.

According to that link, it's one large stone, broken in two.

Where are you getting "Stonehenge" from?

The "officially accepted" ascent of mankind is being pushed by thousands of years by this discovery alone.

How so? Is anyone claiming that this is the oldest monolith, created thousands of years earlier than other monoliths?

Which currently accepted theory does this find invalidate in your opinion?

Less than 5% of the ocean has been discovered to date. the honest answer is we can't truly know ....yet.

I do.

I don't know why this issue is so dualistic. Either you believe in it and others think you're absolutely bonkers or you don't.

Is it so far fetched that at one point there existed such a place? What's far fetched is the notion that given our current understanding and technology we apparently know everything, and ideas that exist outside of the acceptable ideas are absolutely bonkers.

We don't know shit.

We don't know shit.

Yep. We know absolutely nothing. That's why it's silly to draw "There was an advanced technological city state that was flooded a few thousand years back" as a conclusion.

We don't know if there was anything, so we can't draw any conclusions. Compare and contrast it to Russell's teapot.

Yes, let me put it this way, I think that our history largely untold. I think the current civilization was prepared by one, or possibly many more, previous civilizations.

The evidence seems strong is support of this idea. Megalithic monuments which MAY predate current civilization. Anamolies like buckets and screws found in sediments millions of years old. The legends can't be ignored either.

Personally, I think aliens created our race, and may have tinkered with our DNA, even having nearly destroyed mankind on at least one occasion.

Aliens are not a part of human history. It's more complex than gods manipulating our DNA. I would believe a chthonic birth before a cosmic one. But there are some valid thought experiments.

How do you know humans are not the aliens. All that theory does is downplay the creative ability of this planet and the creative ability of the human mind.

Life could have been seeded here in a complex cold birth through a metier designed to bring bacteria to a planet. Maybe life has been spreading throughout the system starting with mars, then Venus, now Earth. Each ending in a different act of hubris.

But, truth be told this stellar system is a backwater barely worth seeding.

I believe something like it existed. If the modern human mind has been in existence for 250,000 years or so, surely we would have made huge leaps before the most recent 2+ thousand years. I imagine our history as cyclical. Empires rise and fall, populations rise and fall, knowledge and technology rises and falls. All of which reoccurs over thousands of years and the memory of it is lost. For example: Without books/pictures, I cannot speak in a knowledgable manner about my great grandparents lives. It has no meaning or relation to me other than a name. I cannot account for it. This explains how information is lost or changed in only a few generations time. It is completely plausible.

If you read Plato you can surmise that he created Atlantis for metaphorical effect

No, I don't believe Atlantis ever existed.

Today I looked at Albert Tarantola's web page for the first time since before 2009. Very sad to see that he died in 2009. He was a professor Physics at Institut de Physique du Globe de Paris and there is a thing on his web page. Scroll down to where it says Human Prehistory.

I asked him about Atlantis and he said he didn't expect that but he did expect a Big Surprise!

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The ice shield in Antarctica is millions of years older than humanity.

Source?

http://www.livescience.com/39464-west-antarctica-ice-sheet-older.html

I promise you it did, along with civilizations before it. The records exist, the ruins exist. Some of them will be unearthed after large earthquakes like the one geologists now accept will come to the cascade region. http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/07/20/the-really-big-one

When the next very big earthquake hits, the northwest edge of the continent, from California to Canada and the continental shelf to the Cascades, will drop by as much as six feet and rebound thirty to a hundred feet to the west—losing, within minutes, all the elevation and compression it has gained over centuries. Some of that shift will take place beneath the ocean, displacing a colossal quantity of seawater. (Watch what your fingertips do when you flatten your hand.) The water will surge upward into a huge hill, then promptly collapse. One side will rush west, toward Japan. The other side will rush east, in a seven-hundred-mile liquid wall that will reach the Northwest coast, on average, fifteen minutes after the earthquake begins. By the time the shaking has ceased and the tsunami has receded, the region will be unrecognizable. Kenneth Murphy, who directs FEMA’s Region X, the division responsible for Oregon, Washington, Idaho, and Alaska, says, “Our operating assumption is that everything west of Interstate 5 will be toast.”

Hello shouldhavedoneIB,

the documentary you watched is very mystic, implausible and noncredible. The answer concerning a mystic Atlantis is clearly: No.

The more interesting question is, whether Plato's Atlantis is an invention, or was based on a distorted historical tradition, in which Plato himself believed -- and what was the basis of this distorted historical tradition.

Concerning this question, academics created several hypotheses. You can find them on http://www.Atlantis-Scout.de/ Most favourited is the Minoan civilization as Atlantis. But there are other, less known opinions, too.

Hancock is a hack, I have a hard time believing him on much. It all seems like re packaged Theosophy. Look up HP Blavatski and the theosophical society. Hancock is basically another David Hatcher Childress.