FWIW, a lot of people say WW3 started on 9/11. I'm inclined to agree -- we don't see most of it on western media, but half the Middle East has been fucking squashed.

Yeah, I've been wondering how many countries have to be involved/simultaneously at war before it counts as a world war and not a regional war or just plain war. Is it only a World War if Western Europe is being attacked? If US civilians feel threatened? If a nuclear bomb gets dropped? Mass casualties and atrocities? What's the definition?

We have a perception that World War III is everyone dropping nuclear bombs on each other and everyone dies. That's the version of World War III everyone's afraid of and wants to make sure doesn't happen. So unless that's what's happening, people don't want to call it World War III. Or worry about it. "Well, the US invading the Middle East is ok because it's not a World War."

Maybe we should be more concerned about "The War We Won't Call World War III"? Give it a different name rather than trying to get people to redefine their perceptions of what a "World War III" is?

There's a lot of cyber war/fighting going on concurrently with all the physical wars, anyway. And that's certainly not part of the popular culture concept of what a World War III is.

All of those African countries fighting throughout the 90's could almost be classified as a world war given the amount of causualties

and how massive Africa is.

TIL...

World war requires worldwide participation, doesn't matter how many people are dying.

The sad thing is, most of us are participating and we don't even know it either.

The level of conditioning and mind control going on is so disheartening.

John, take your meds and go back to sleep.

Thank you for volunteering to show the rest of us what it means to be part of the problem

There is war on every continent except Antarctica.

Always has been too: does that mean we're actually still in World War I?

Yes. It's a hundred year war

Try thousands. Again: Every continent save Antarctica has had ongoing on/off wars, for at least a thousand years. The Native Americans warred with each other. The Inca were warriors. The Mayan were too.

By your own reasoning, we've always had World War. Always.

For the last 100 years it's been the entire world vs the German/American empire.

This hardly merits a response. It's utter bullshit, akin to responding "they" when asked "who's responsible".

There is no German/American empire, and further, both states were against each other in WWII. Yes, some Americans helped/funded Nazis: That doesn't mean America did.

Some of the UK did as well, along with Spain and Italy and Portugal (I could go on), but I note you only refer to this as the "German/American" empire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_Bones

That's not evidence of anything. I'm well aware of what Skull and Bones is. This is as meaningless as my posting this link, as if that proves anything:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teletubbies

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

Yes, I literally just linked to that elsewhere yesterday. Prescott Bush helped the Nazis. So did Henry Ford.

That doesn't show that an "American/German Empire" exists, or ever did.

If all you've got are random links and nothing more to say, that's fine: We can just be done here. But just posting a link doesn't tell me shit. It doesn't tell me what you're referring to in the link. It's not an argument. It's not a rebuttal. It's not asserting. It's just.. posting a link.

Use your words. Your words. Not some copy/paste that kind of, sort of, maybe backs up your points (if you squint).

The three-page, closely typed report, marked 'Secret', copied to British officials and sent by air pouch to Cordell Hull, the US Secretary of State, detailed how the industrialists were to work with the Nazi Party to rebuild Germany's economy by sending money through Switzerland. They would set up a network of secret front companies abroad. They would wait until conditions were right. And then they would take over Germany again. The industrialists included representatives of Volkswagen, Krupp and Messerschmitt. Officials from the Navy and Ministry of Armaments were also at the meeting and, with incredible foresight, they decided together that the Fourth German Reich, unlike its predecessor, would be an economic rather than a military empire - but not just German.

The Business Plot was planned too. Plans were put forth. Money changed hands. Documents drawn up.

Doesn't mean that it actually happened. There was no militant coup by American vets to usurp the US Government.

Just because people wrote down ideas doesn't mean it happened. Nazis planned on moon bases too. Are you about to tell me that succeeded to?

Further, your article discounts one of your main points: A German/American empire, not one that exists in the EU, not one that exists as was planned by Nazis alone, as this article purports.

Further, if the Third Reich moved on to the Fourth, it'd stand to reason they'd want protection no? Explain Nuremberg then. Why'd we go hang a bunch of the Third Reich if they never lost the war?

Further, the use of the word 'Reich' is distinctly German. It is a nationalistic word referencing the Ottoman and the Holy Roman Empires (the Second and First Reichs, respectively). Stating a Fourth Reich an "American/German Empire" is at least that much insulting to Germany: The "Third Reich" called itself a Reich to start with because it contributed to Nationalistic fervor, by associating past empires to the current one. Common trick, sure, but it also discounts heavily the notion that Americans would consider any empire of theirs a 'Fourth Reich'.

If anything, they'd call it the Columbian Empire - if only there wasn't a Columbia already. Cincinnatia wouldn't be a bad name either, given American roots. Or we could get real esoteric and call it the New Atlantis. But no, not the Fourth Reich. Makes no sense.

And finally: An economic empire is not a military empire. Period. You could just as well liken Jay-Z and Beyonce to Hitler and Goering if it were so.

You sound like one of the many 'but but, 1%!!!" protesters. You don't have much to say other than 'money bad! money nazi!'.

Doesn't mean that it actually happened.

Although the people behind these plans and coups are still in charge.

A German/American empire, not one that exists in the EU, not one that exists as was planned by Nazis alone, as this article purports.

Nazis were funded by the American/German industrialists in order to achieve their goals. The CIA has been supporting and training Nazis for decades (look up Guatemala for example).

Explain Nuremberg then.

Explain Operation Paperclip then. Why'd we go whitewash the nazi credentials of thousands of scientists and military intelligence agents if we really defeated the Nazis? Why did we use Nazi WMDs on Japan?

An economic empire is not a military empire.

I invite you to draw a map of known US military bases to see what a military empire looks like. 20-30 million people have died as a result of US military intervention since WW2

Although the people behind these plans and coups are still in charge.

The people behind those plans are all dead. They are absolutely not still in charge. I invite you to find one person still living mentioned by the article you posted.

Nazis were funded by the American/German industrialists in order to achieve their goals. The CIA has been supporting and training Nazis for decades (look up Guatemala for example).

Here's where we don't disagree: I know that American industrialists backed the Nazis. I know that American bankers did too. That doesn't mean the American people or American government was in on it. In fact, American Nazi assets were seized during WWII. Again: Look at the Business Plot. Wouldn't that have been successful if these people were as all-powerful as you're purporting?

Explain Operation Paperclip then

Simple: Those scientists were going to be scooped up by someone. Would you rather the US have let Russia have them? In war and real geopolitics, sometimes the right decision isn't the most desirable thing. And we used WMDs on Japan to solidify America as, and I'm paraphrasing, "nuttin' to fuck wit'". Seems to me it worked.

I invite you to draw a map of known US military bases to see what a military empire looks like. 20-30 million people have died as a result of US military intervention since WW2

Did I ever say there was no American Military Empire? There is. This is not equivalent of an "American/German Empire spawned by the Nazis".

American industrialists

And by this you mean the Bush Family and other Skull and Bones members like John Kerry.

The Bush Family and their friends are still in power.

Don't tell me what I mean. I'll let you know what I mean, thanks. You can let me know what you mean. That's how conversation works.

Prescott Bush was a Nazi supporter. No question. That's the last time a Bush was linked to the Nazis. Three generations ago. My Italian grandmother worked in an Austrian machine shop, repairing fabrics for the Nazis. She was not a Nazi (hated them, and Mussolini). But she was forced to work for them. She immigrated to the US in 1958. Am I too, a Nazi, because my ancestors made some money off them?

Also, if S&B was oh-so-powerful... why aren't more Presidents from there? They've got three; Taft, Bush HW and Bush W. If any secret group was to be pointed at I'd think we ought to look at Freemasons (they have 14 ex-presidents). After all, the first S&P/US President was WH Taft, who was also a Freemason. Note this is not my saying 'It's the Freemasons, not S&B', but rather that your logic ought to point elsewhere.

Edit: Also, goalposts. GWB and John Kerry weren't in power during WWII. You claimed, quote:

"Although the people behind these plans and coups are still in charge"

Which is provably false.

That's the last time a Bush was linked to the Nazis.

Sure, but that's not what I mean. Don't tell me what I mean, I will let you know what I mean, thanks. I have never suggested that the Bushes agreed ideologically with the Nazis, only that they were funding them in order to advance their business interests.

All of the Bushes have been linked to Brown Brothers Harriman & Co. which was the specific company linked to funding the Nazis.

I didn't tell you what you mean, I told you facts. Your intended meaning doesn't line up with those facts. You said to me "you mean..". I did not. Cute try through.

And again, sins of the fathers don't apply to the sons. BB&H's nazi complicity was before Dubyas time, and HW's for that matter, and Dubya himself never worked for them to my knowledge.

Oh one more point, again, goalposts: You said the Bushes are Nazis. That insinuates Nazi ideology. Just like when I say someone is a Christian, I'm referring to their ideology.

Sure, I see where you are coming from, in mu opinion you are making the classic American mistake of confusing groups of people with a single representative of the group.

What would you think if Hitler's grandson became the chancellor of Germany? Do you really think that the Bush family have pursued an independent foreign policy and that there is no relationship between father and son? Or that they gave up power?

The CIA, which has been implicated in despicable war crimes since WW2 ended was built out of ex-Nazi intelligence agents who had their pasts whitewashed, and is now headquartered in the George Bush center for intelligence.

Why are you defending families of war criminals? Why do you keep insisting that I am saying Bush was a Nazi instead of that their family financed Nazis and other extremists with the goal of fomenting war?

BTW America is literally arming and training Nazis in Ukraine as we speak.

Why are you defending families of war criminals

Because we don't choose our families; just being related to a war criminal does not make you a war criminal.

Besides that point, W. Bush is a war criminal in his own right; he doesn't need the Nazi association to make that case at all.

Regarding the CIA, while I understand and admit they've A) been around the coup-starting block and B) they have had ex-Nazis in their ranks in the past, you're making the mistake that many Conspiracy theorists make: Seeing them in every revolution since WWII, and seeing Nazis still in the CIA despite no evidence to that effect.

Why do you keep insisting that I am saying Bush was a Nazi

Because the links you offered as your arguments asserted that very fact. This is why I told you to use your own words: You didn't notice that in your own references.

BTW America is literally arming and training Nazis in Ukraine as we speak.

Hearsay. Every civil war in the world since WWII has had one side or the other claim the CIA was involved and America was involved and thats why they're losing. Just because everyone claims it doesn't make it so every time.

Show me evidence of these assertions: A) There are Nazis in Ukraine right now (swastikas, genetic-superiority-beliefs and all - I'm not just talking about fascism: you said Nazis) and B) that the US is arming them with the knowledge that they are said-Nazis.

although Ukraine is emphatically not run by fascists, far-right extremists seem to be making inroads by other means, as in the country's police department.

We know this and are continuing to ignore it and support the Ukrainian military.

Show me evidence of these assertions: A) There are Nazis in Ukraine right now (swastikas, genetic-superiority-beliefs and all - I'm not just talking about fascism: you said Nazis) and B) that the US is arming them with the knowledge that they are said-Nazis.

Seems to me you're speaking hyperbole. You're swapping the terms "nazi" and "fascist" and they do not mean the same thing.

I see you aren't familiar with the Azov Battalion, which is an official part of the Ukrainian army.

German ZDF television observed Azov battalion fighters wearing helmets with swastikas and "the 'SS runes' of Hitler's infamous black-uniformed elite corps", and on other occasions some of the soldiers have been reported to have SS tattoos.[14][15][16] Spokesmen and other members of the Azov Battalion and government officials have denied that the organization has any neo-Nazi or white supremacist beliefs; although a spokesman did state that "10% to 20% of the group's members are Nazis".[10][17][nb 2][nb 3] The regiment's commander and founder is Andriy Biletsky who in the past made statements about "crusade" of "White races" against "Semitic Untermenschen"

The U.S. Congress has banned providing support to this group, but I don't see how we are auditing funds provided to Ukraine to ensure that none are spent on this one battalion of their army. Additionally the CIA doesn't give a shit about congress.

I am not sure why you are focusing on Nazis. The CIA (Bush family and friends) have been funding all kinds of violent extremists for decades.

My point is that the U.S. military industrial complex creates wars overseas to earn profits for American companies. The same few families have been doing it for decades.

You're right, I'm not up to speed on all the goings on. Thanks for specifics.

So your claims that the "US is arming Nazis in the Ukraine" are unfounded, by your very own words. You're aware that the US is aware of them, and has said not to help them, but you don't care because you've got your bogeyman the CIA to blame. Again, with no evidence.

I'm focusing on Nazis because you sir, asserted that there was an "American/German Empire" or "The Fourth Reich" (based again, on the link you provided when you couldn't be bothered to speak your mind with your own words). You've been focusing on calling a bunch of people Nazis. I'm just dismantling your arguments and asking for evidence. Seems you're backing off the Nazi angle because it's become apparent that it's not as widely-spread as you previously asserted.

My point in all this is evidence. Evidence evidence evidence. Not just allegation, not just suspicion, not just bogeymen: Evidence is king.

The U.S. government is supporting the Ukrainians which include Nazis in their official army. Thanks for your time.

"Graceful exit" eh? Okay. Bye.

I just think there's nothing else that you have to say. Do you have anything else to add other than telling me the CIA doesn't fund extremists?

My you can't keep those goalposts in one place very long.

So you admit you misunderstood my original point (my communication problem).

Sure, why not? I'm totally okay with admitting the CIA has funded and supported awful, awful regimes in the past and likely will into the future. I'm a big fan of JFK's idea that it should be shattered into a thousand pieces and cast to the winds.

We don't actually have a lot to disagree on. I'm simply trying to promote a certain accuracy in words and argument. Godwin's Law and all that: Nazi comparisons are rife and mostly unnecessary and uncalled for.

There's another point to that too: Nazi comparisons only serve to keep the "Nazi" image as the end-all-be-all of "evil empires". They aren't. The Nazis were puppets of the bankers. The bankers were the evil behind the throne of the Nazis. That isn't to say that the Bankers are Nazis though or that all bankers are evil. I am talking about a certain group of central banks which operate internationally, not the manager of the bank down the street.

Would you disagree?

Nope, I think you have clearly and concisely articulated the problem.

I tend to be provocative.

I can elaborate a bit more: Those bankers can, have and will use any means of government to achieve their ends. Fascist, socialist, communist - it doesn't matter. These are petty, cheap words. The bankers installed Mao, for christ's sake, they initiated the Bolshevik revolution. They also did the same for Hitler and Mussolini and the rest of the fascists. And surely they're all over capitalists.

They're not -ists of any kind. They're oligarchs. "Masters". They don't answer to a government, therefor the style of government they're associated with at any given moment is irrelevant.

All this to say that simply looking at 'fascism', or 'communism', or 'capitalism' as 'that thing which we should be steadfast against' is wrong headed. That's buying into the banker's goals: You're simply dividing yourself to let them conquer.

Like I said, we basically agree here. And I admit to being a bit of a pedant above. But it's not just for the sake of pedantry; I feel these are important distinctions and considerations when analyzing all this.

How can I find out more about the Bolshevik revolution, particularly who caused it and why? (I know I can google, but I'm guessing you might know which sources are the better ones.)

http://history.stackexchange.com/questions/14608/did-the-germans-purposefully-arrange-to-send-lenin-to-russia-to-start-a-revoluti

Good place to start. And it costed an awful lot of money too. Banker money, especially given Germany's economic state throughout.

You could probably say that about WWII. Perpetual war for perpetual peace. Gore Vidal was right.

You're misunderstanding my meaning: I'm not describing America or American government. I'm describing Human beings. Humans go to war. All the time. Always have. Always will. It's in our nature.

Ohhh, I see what you're saying.

You're right, it's in our nature. I seem to remember reading that might not have always been the case, though; a lot of the skeletons exhumed from Stone Age/Neolithic graves seem to indicate death from disease, age, natural causes or accident, rather than taking an arrow to the head as a result of warfare.

Guess that doesn't matter now...we're stuck in this paradigm.

It's always been the case. The evidence doesn't show anything but.

While a lot of the evidenced neolithic deaths were of natural causes, I should also point out that so too are modern ones. Go dig up 20 dead bodies in your local cemetery, how many died violently vs. natural or otherwise non-violent causes? Probably close to all 20 died non-violently. (Note: Don't go dig up bodies in your cemetery).

It'd be one thing to say that if we never saw evidence of murder in neolithic times. But that isn't the case.

Note: Don't go dig up bodies in your cemetery

Well, there goes my weekend plans. :(

Really interesting article you linked -- thanks! I was basing my comments on studies like this.

Well, western europe was engaged in Iraq and Afghanistan for quite a few years, so..

A World War would involve two or more superpowers or large alliances fighting. Just like the Cold War, we've only seen superpowers fighting minor powers.

Today, a war would only be a "World War" if China or Russia and EU or US got into a biffo. Proxy wars don't count.

Proxy wars do count. Having someone fight a proxy it's no different from an alliance other than they aren't openly stating that they are aligned.

If proxy wars counted then the Cold War would have been World War: Cold. If so, you can call this one "World War: Cold 2, The Meltdown" or something.

Sounds accurate

If it's accurate your initial comment was wrong: Proxy wars don't count as a 'world war'.

This isn't a world war, this is a click-bait title.

For the most part, at least from the West's view, both world wars were continent spanning wars that utilized the entire resources of almost, if not every, then equivalent to the first world nations.

Essentially it wasn't a world war just because of where it was fought (mostly Europe, Asia became big in WW2, parts of Africa next to Europe). It's because each consumed near the world's resources. A good chunk of a generation was thrown into a meat grinder.

If you go by a geographic definition there has been a near constant shifting world war since at least the American-Indian Wars. If viewed in terms of resources, were aren't there yet.

There's a lot of cyber war/fighting going on concurrently with all the physical wars, anyway

This hits the nail right on the head. Wars, and the ways they are fought, continually evolve. Nukes are part of war. So are bombers and tanks and machine guns.

But there's a lot of other ways for one nation (or a group of nations) to go against someone else in a hostile way. Disinformation campaigns and diplomatic measures. There's also economic warfare that can come in a number of forms such as economic sanctions or currency manipulation. As you mentioned, cyberwarfare is yet another way to attack someone without firing a single shot.

And now I shall get a fair bit more speculative. Think about those two huge chemical plant explosions in China. One could have been an accident. But two arouses my suspicions. For those who care to hear my theory about what might have happened, here it is.

No aircraft were used. It wasn't a micro-nuke either. If you've seen any pictures of the "accident site" you'll notice that a large area was subjected to incredibly intense heat for a sustained period of time. I say this because there were cars with burned paint and melted engine blocks. It looked like thousands of cars that appeared to have been uniformly heated to a very high temperature. But there was also a noticeable absence of the kind of damage you'd expect from a shockwave.

So maybe there was just a lot of heat from the fire. Or maybe those cars were subjected to another heat source. Maybe it was that same external heat source that caused the chemicals to overheat and explode... at both locations.

Maybe someone has some kind of space-based weapon that can focus a huge amount of heat at surface targets. Maybe someone is letting the Chinese know not to keep on pushing with territorial claims, alternative currencies, cyberattacks and industrial espionage.

If this is the case, it's the perfect weapon. No visual or radar trace, no chemical signature or radioactivity... and no warning. Used once, and then again shortly afterwards to let the other side know it's neither an accident nor a gimmick. Kind of like what happened to Japan 70 years ago.

I just want to put into perspective the sheer scale of World War II:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

Go read that. 3% of the 1940s world's population was killed in World War II.

Nothing since WWII even comes close to matching it in sheer scale. Nothing. All this talk of comparison? It's being made by people who weren't alive for WWII.

Calling the current state of global affairs a 'world war' is fear mongering, plain and simple. We're nowhere close.

1 million dead Iraqis out of 6 million (that's 1 nation alone)

That is 2% of the estimated deaths caused by WWII on the very lowest end. At the highest WWII estimates, it'd be 1.25%. We're talking about 50-million to 80-million dead.

Again, 3% of the world population at that time (~2.3 billion) was killed in WWII.

Translate that to today's numbers. We have approx. 7 billion people on this planet now. If 3% died, that'd be 210 million dead.

You let me know when the entire population of Indonesia is killed by drone strikes.

but your numbers aren't about 1 country.

Add up Afghanistan, Sudan, Syria, Iraq, Ukraine and more. You know...the world of death we are looking at right now?

By all means, do it. Add them up. The numbers are there, go Google. What do you think I did?

Worldwide death toll by war activity, in any conflict since the war on terror started. Figure it out.

It won't come close.

Just wait. It's coming.

As long as the countries being attacked aren't developed, then it's not a world war. Poor people don't matter, remember that. As soon as Germany, Japan, China, Russia, or any other big player gets attacked, it's game over.

First you mut understand the definition of 'world'. World doesnt equal 'planet'. Your world is what surrounds you and affects you. Your planet is the entirety of the globe, the ball of dirt, water and rock thats floating through space. Theres a difference.

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That is a decent point. I hadn't considered the matter from that angle before.

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this commenter is intriguing. Israelearthcancer as in you're Israeli? or are you a Muslim who's living in the Middle East who really hates Jews? or just a Christian who hates Jews? or is it more of a "I live in Israel, planet earth, and my sign is cancer"? So many interpretations.

It's the beautiful mind-melting of the agenda at work - "America's a big evil puppet master!", "No, no, it's Isreal, they're the real threat to freedom!", "No, you got to watch out for the EU and NAFTA and TTIP... it's these trade deals, they're the evil ones, the corporations, the people who sell you things man, they're con artists!"

Just another ignoring an individual isn't a state, and the real criminal elements pushing the agendas through Israel, America, the EU, (using trade deals as a mode) and God knows who else were are a) not at the forefront and b) aren't the nations themselves. There's many Isrealis who fight against the Palestinian genocide from what I've seen, students mainly, but they're shrowded by the mortar bombs in most people's eyes turning the country into the Devil's playground.

Your world is part of the planet, your world requires the planet to exist.

Right but the planet wasnt at war in the 40's just the ones in this particular world of people.

Ken M, is that you?

How dont you get what Im saying? The fuck is the matter with you people, this isnt conjecture.

Too egocentric.

I remember some top level guys said they believed ww3 started on 9/11. The pope even said we're in ww3 and he called for peace. Maybe that's one reason the economy sucks (besides greedy companies).

well i think what OP means is a world war similar to conventional forces fighting, nation-states, similar to WW2

Oh we're just getting warmed up.

A world war needs to be, you know, world wide.

Don't get us caught up in semantics. /s

typical r/conspiracy anti semantic.

I wish I still liked reddit enough to give you gold.

We have more refugees today than during WW2, and it's going to get MUCH worse.

The difference in scale between the War on Terror and WWII makes the War on Terror anything but WWIII.

Just wait. WW2 wasn't fought in a day.

No, but it was fought between powers that were all but equaled. Today the world has one military superpower: America. That's not xenophobia or patriotism talking, it's the simple fact. In a ground war, American military is unmatched.

A world war won't be caused by a couple pawns moving on the board. North Korea, ISIS, Syria, Iraq - these are pawns.

World Wars are fought by players. Russia, US, China. These are the three military powers that need to be fighting. You might note that these are the three powers who want to fight the least right now. North Korea is just sabre-rattling, as usual, and if they step out of line China is going to install their own Kim Jong Nam as a puppet dictator, keeping their buffer zone between SK/US forces and China.

Russia is puffing its chest out for Ukraine, but if you honestly think a World War will erupt because of that, you're misinformed. The US doesn't care about who Ukraine sides with.

Again: This whole "World War III is starting" nonsense is fearmongering. Period.

I agree and as a side note, I literally just got notification from another app that the Koreans reached some kind of agreement. So those pawns seem to have calmed a bit.

Russia is puffing its chest out for Ukraine

Ah. You're one of them. Nevermind.

One of who? An American who pays attention to geopolitics?

What an insulting answer. Imagine if you brought up some whacko-conspiracy theory to someone and they immediately discounted everything you said previously. "Oh, he's one of them".

As if. What a horrible way to discuss anything.

Your job is getting people killed. I don't care if times are tough -- find another way.

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Just looking out for you. There will be many, many families demanding justice once this crumbles. You don't want to be a part of this. You know the little guy is the one (usually the ONLY one) to catch the heat.

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Rule 10. No personal attacks. Removed.

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Rule 2. Removed.

You're no fun, man.

Cool. It ought to be deleted.

Rule 2. Removed.

Oh god, is this going to be the new rhetoric? Like when we found out they were spying on everyone, and "we knew it al along." Give me a break.

Are you mocking the people who knew about mass surveillance before Snowden? because the evidence was there, as well the previous whistleblowers.

It's... not new. But if you wanna count WW3 as superpower vs superpower... yeah this could be the start.

It's really semantics though, IMO. You could argue it's been continuous since WW2.

I've always thought ww2 never ended simply shifted and contracted into the mid East, Africa as well.

My two cents worth is that all these international 'events' are in some way staged or at least coordinated to maintain maximum fear and control within their respective populations. It's brinkmanship all the way but won't go further because now all of the elites finances and wealth are connected.

Yes, but even in death and destruction, there is money to be made. It can be a great time to be in the stock market for one thing.

Guns, bombs, gauze, peroxide, food, water, oil, caskets, and many other industries thrive during war.

And that's not even to mention the money to be made rebuilding afterwards.

Absolutely true...

'events' are in some way staged or at least coordinated to maintain maximum fear and control within their respective populations.

Well, when your relatives start dying, and you get enlisted (like what's happening in Ukraine), it's gone beyond that point. Shit's got serious.

The markets are crashing. War time?

And that's not even to mention the money to be made rebuilding afterwards.

That's where the real money is. Re-building Europe after WWII created an economic boom for a long time and some got extremely rich on it. Then came the end of the cold-war and we got to re-build eastern Europe. Now that's about done and it's time to destroy so we can build again. There's more economic interests in destruction than peace.

The only good thing to come out of a war is the complete purge of SJWs and other idiots. They'll wake up to the cold reality of things.

I saw your /u/ and laughed. Well done.

They've already converted their 'finances' into tangible assets (like real estate, gold, food, supplies, etc..). The next step is to collapse the global economy and then roll out a new digital currency that is 100% controlled, manipulated, and trackable. But, don't worry, the rich will come out of this turmoil just fine.

"And people shall neither be able to buy or sell without his mark, and that mark is 666".

There's no lack of money being turned into real estate, almost every new building going up in nyc is financed by the same company, or a shell corporation of that company

I'm in construction, I know first hand.

And when someone defaults on a house loan after making 10-20 years of payments the bank gets it back and then sells it for what it's worth. They've technically made the worth of the house back already, but someone is willing to shell out the money again and start the process all over. It's like renting, but with a lot less risk because the risk is shifted over to the property maintainer (historically called owner) but when they can no longer pay the actual owner takes the property back.

I'm talking commercial. Multi story luxury apartment in nyc

Even more so than with this. The only one that owns anything is the bank, and the value of the apartment is what people will pay for it, which is a lot of money.

Bitcoin maybe?

Not likely. That was just an experiment to test viability. Probably something more like this:

http://techcrunch.com/2015/07/07/citibank-is-working-on-its-own-digital-currency-citicoin/

100% banker premine. Bitcoin will be made illegal because 'only terrorists use it'.

Bitcoin will be made illegal because 'only terrorists use it'.

Fat chance. I see this talked about a lot but not a lot of practical hows and whys.

Fat chance.

That's one possible option. Another possible option is that 'BankerCoin' (e.g. CitiCoin) becomes the default. They spend millions advertising and promoting it. Everyone who has a Citi account automatically gets crypto currency. It's promoted by Governments and Central Banks around the world. It becomes super popular and everyone starts using it.

Meanwhile, Bitcoin drops to a few cents and fades into obscurity. It's a nice footnote in financial history but, not relevant in a world run by central banks.

Why do you think a crypto currency that is centralized would defacto beat bitcoin? It wouldn't have the same benefits that bitcoin gives us over the current system.

What benefit does citi bank crypto give me over cash?

When the shit hits the fan, you're not going to have access to the Internet or Bitcoin or Reddit. You're not going to ride out the storm in your comfy home then log in to cash out your paper wallets on Bitstamp. Kansas is going bye bye.

Bitcoin is hard to use when you don't have access to the Internet. But, fear not, you'll get a new biometric ID to log in to the Government-controlled Internet so you can buy and sell FedCoins. Anything Bitcoin related will be blocked. The thieves running the show don't like competition.

You might also find out that 'Satoshi' was actually the CIA / NSA and that this whole thing was nothing more than a giant experiment. After the experiment is over, they'll shut it down.

Sauce

yeah, QE was a way for the people in the known to get out while the market was still propped up. Now they can let it crash.

Great points. I'm of the same belief that most (not all) of the elites don't want a full scale world war. In short they win but would spell the beginning of the end for their way of life.

maintain maximum fear and control within their respective populations

Well they seem to be achieving the opposite...

oh ya...? Seems the world is gripped with fear at all times. Fear of Muslims, Chinese, russians, fear of inflation, deflation, the stagnation...and of course, fear of war. Fear is political currency.

I am not saying you are wrong, but that sounds exactly like what European leaders of industry/diplomats said right after Franz Ferdinand was assassinated.

I'm not saying I'm right either, anything can happen. But I think the consequences this time of full out war will create a world no one, not evil the elite, want to live in. It'll be full spectrum war that will escalate infinitely faster than past conflicts and will leave millions and millions of innocent people dead and broken hearted. All because our insane leaders aren't capable of doing the jobs we're forced to elect them to.

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Yup, turns out they were totally bluffing. Again. As always.

One can only dream right?

Wait until Russia makes moves before you call it...

Well, the last two wars saw Russia as an ally eventually. If it's aggression from China, Russia has the most to lose due to proximity.

I'm pretty sure Russia has been making moves for years

I'm pretty sure that World War never ends, it just gets hot and then cools off, only to get hot again.

Right now there are more refugees than at any time in human history.

Right now there are more humans alive than at any time in history.

Would be interesting to see the number as a percentage of world population.

We will have 1 billion refugees by 2050

Cool beans.

I Don't Know How WWIII will be fought, but im almost certain WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones - Albert Einstein

I don't get it.

The implication is that World War III will be a global nuclear war, and thus, World War IV would be fought with primative weapons like sticks and stones because civilization would be destroyed by the aforementioned global nuclear war.

It's simple. What Einstein was saying is that the third world war would be so unbelievably destructive that humanity would literally be bombed back to the stone age. The idea being that anyone in that era with half a brain would go to any lengths to avoid that war.

I see.

WWIII has been fought as proxy wars between 100+ countries since 9/11 and likely before that.

The strategies of war have simply changed. They want to keep the consumers uninformed so that they carry on with their lives. Drafts are no longer needed because insurgence groups can be created in third world countries, and private security forces/mercenaries can also be created too.

Not to mention cyber warfare. All the hacks during the last decade, the leaks... really seem like they're part of the war too.

So pretty much Metal Gear without the Metal Gears.

Never played any of them other than "Solid", but I liked how at the end you find you're helping the enemy and the only way to win is not to play the damn game in the first place.

It's rather uncanny. MGS4 and 2 portray global war through masterminded proxies. Peacewalker tells a story of raising revolutionaries to fight "their own" war, while becoming a military power that fights for anyone who wants them to.

EDIT: MGS, not MSG

I'd be willing to bet it's more likely that WWIII started some time in the 80's, late 70's. After Viatnam, but before the first Iraq war. Honestly the taking of the US embassy in Iran and the subsequent release of prisoners really smells of corruption and war profiteering via proxy control of the US government.

I'm not on board with the proxy part, but it is interesting to note that that particular situation was what demanded Richard Marcinko develop SEAL Team 6 and us having a 24/7/365 response group for terrorism.

During the Iran hostage crisis in 1979, Marcinko was one of two Navy representatives for a Joint Chiefs of Staff task force known as the TAT (Terrorist Action Team). The purpose of the TAT was to develop a plan to free the American hostages held in Iran which culminated in Operation Eagle Claw. In the wake of the debacle, the Navy saw the need for a full-time dedicated counter-terrorist team and tasked Marcinko with its design and development.

Marcinko was the first commanding officer of this new unit. At the time, the Navy had only two SEAL teams. Marcinko purportedly named the unit SEAL Team Six in order to confuse other nations, specifically the Soviet Union, into believing that the United States had three other SEAL teams that they were unaware of. He personally selected the unit's members from across the U.S. Navy's special operations community, including a special counter-terrorist tactics section of SEAL Team Two, codenamed MOB-6. SEAL Team Six would be the Navy's premier counter-terrorist unit, like its Army counterpart Delta Force. While typically a two-year command in the Navy at the time, Marcinko commanded SEAL Team Six for three years, from August 1980 to July 1983.

On CNN, 'we will know "in a few weeks" if North Korea is going to attack the United States'.

Lines up with everything else happening in September.

The Big List Of 33 Things That Are Going To Happen In September 2015

CNN has no idea of anything.

CNN = CIA News Network

communist news network

Nope

I don't know why you say that. CNN is run by the propaganda pandas.

propaganda pandas

Thats why I say that. They are pawns to the system.

Which means they know something and are worth listening to.

They know that if North Korea attacks the US in the next couple weeks, then the US is definitely going to be attacked by North Korea...

The first rule of Tautology Club is the first rule of Tautology Club.

I'm going to use that one.

Omg, that is great.

That CNN footage is from 2013. C'mon man.

The footage from North Korea is from 2013, but CNN did air a story on North Korean threats this month.

Sorry, didn't know.

Having heard many of these predictions over the last 15 years, I can safely say that if nothing happens in September - there will just be more predictions made for next year and so on

I wouldn't say that, China is not going to support North Korea

Yeah, China is not going to get sucked in that easily. They're fair weather friends. Well, actually, they're just using North Korea.

My speculative take on Chinese involvement is that if things fall apart they will stake out a buffer zone in NK. They won't get involved beyond that.

What is different this time? China did get involved in the Korean war last time didn't they?

That was over 50 years ago. Times are much different and china isn't willing to deal with Kim's bullshit any longer.

Different China.

Different Kim.

Same old war.

Why are we fighting communism again?

Not so much fighting communism but rather helping an ally

By "ally" do you mean our puppy state in SK?

The puppy state that still hasn't made due on promised reparations for the Jeje Island massacre when a whole fifth of the island ended up dead while squashing riots over protestors being shot dead by SK puppy police.

Between 15 and 60k were killed. Bad puppy state. No bones.

They're going to install their own Kim Jong though. They've got Kim Jong Nam in Macau ready to take the throne at a moments notice. They won't 'support' North Korea but they'll keep them propped up to act as a buffer. That's all they're good for.

If they were to support North Korea, they wouldn't necessarily have to fight - one option would be to cut off all shipments of goods to the US. So much of our stuff gets manufactured there. Not sure how much is useless trinkets and how much is stuff we actually need, but shoes at least would be one thing we'd be missing out on. What do we sell to China besides debt? They don't sell us things because they need to, they do it to make us at least somewhat dependent on them.

Besides that, China could tell the US to not get involved and let North and South Korea fight amongst themselves. Everyone assumes that North Korea won't attack South Korea because the US would wipe North Korea off the map. But what about if the US doesn't get involved?

North Korea is China's "pet", so they might not take kindly to the US invading. Does the US want a war with China? Will they risk it if China tells the US to back off? I'm thinking the troops at North Korea's border might be to defend North Korea rather than as defense against North Korea. If the US stays out, then they won't cross that line.

We don't sell stuff to China. We buy stuff: half a trillion dollars of stuff to be exact. That's almost 5% of China's GDP. This would even be more if the US's allies jump in (Japan is likely, with 300 billion for Chinese exports). China can and will try to pressure the US in the case of a Korean war, but considering their current economic situation, they're not going to risk an economic collapse just to maintain a buffer zone, that nowadays, almost causes more problems than it prevents.

We don't sell stuff to China. We buy stuff

Yes, that's what I was saying.

The only thing China "buys" from us is I.O.U.s (debt). I'm saying means of production is far more valuable than paper; China could cut us off if they wanted to. They already build "ghost cities", it's not like they can't find something else for their factory workers to do, or create a stockpile of goods for themselves or for future use in trade with others.

It's an option. The more meaningful options you have available, the better you can tailor your response to the particular situation. If they wanted to support North Korea, they could.

They also have the option of ignoring North Korea and letting the US do whatever. So, North Korea couldn't just do whatever and count on China's support regardless.

I wonder if North Korea or China got ahold of some classified documents which pointed to a threat that might be worth going to war for?

yeah, if china cut us off their economy would take a shit. they rely on us, we dont NEED their little nicknacks, we can easily turn around and produce it ourselves, they however will have all this stuff and no one buying... they would lose MASSIVE profits! starvation, rioting, a new china would come pretty quick.

You can? How? You lost the production and the related human know how. Rebuilding this will take at least decade if not a whole generation.

related human know how? people in the US are more creative than you think... the US did basically bring forth the modern era so dont dismiss the US as a bunch of incompetent people. itll take some time, but its not that big of a deal really. we did fine without chinese products for a long time.

Actually that was probably the Germans...

like thats a far leap from the US in terms of culture and ethnicity.

Are you seriously trying to compare Germany with the United States? Germany was so far ahead of the United States in the 1940s and on. After WWII all of the German patents were basically stolen by the allied forces and hence there is an illusion that places like the United States "created" the modern world. Hardly.

the us made a number of important contributions to the modern age, i didnt mean only america made the modern world, but i did mean that we would be fine without chinese products. there would be an adjustment period but things wouldnt crash like they would in china. starting to see the concept here? the us and the rest of europe would just trade with each other more while china suffocates. so stopping trade with the us is economic suicide for china. stay on subject please.

The fear, in Russian media, is that nukes will be deployed -- and the fallout will drift over eastern Russia. Obviously, that applies to China, too. That could force both of them into this conflict.

fallout will drift over eastern Russia.

Is easter Russia important? I thought it was sparse. Do the rich live out there?

Some countries still care about their people.

The explosion in Japan has nothing to do with Korea.

Korea could get out of hand, but I doubt it will be WW3. More like the end of NK.

Now wait and see as absolutely nothing happens. I'll be right, just wait and see.

My jimmies are rustled.

North korea been playing hardball big bark no bite since the 70s.

However, if per say they opened with a nuclear assault on Seoul, ww3 would erupt as China and Usa both get pulled in, followed by a global bank crash, and Israeli/Iran also going to war.

I doubt china would go nuclear over n korea if n korea launched first

I meant that if anything DPRK would nuke seoul as their opening gambit which would auto pull the USA in and thus China; not that either super power would actually use nukes.

Why do you think Israel would nuke Iran if North Korea nuked S Korea? How does that follow?

"going to war" doesn't mean nuking someone lol.

and our combined anti missile systems would shoot it down before it got off the launch pad. only way NK can really hurt sk, is by tunneling. i bet thats what theyve been doing too. making tunnel networks all over SK. we all know how much them gooks like tunnels.

If North Korea nukes Seoul you can net your ASS the USA will Nuke it back.

Nah, no reason at all to use nukes. Collateral damage to China and SK. Standard munitions are absolutely capable of ending NK in minutes.

I feel like you ate right in that it is not necessary, but if Seoul is already nuked the "collateral damage" will already be done and America would nuke just on principal

Nobody is gonna use nukes. Nukes are a bogeyman. NK can't pull China and Russia into the fray until the US invades NK.

Iran though...

I don't see these recent acts as anything more thsn posturing, but even if they're seriously offended for some reason, I doubt this is enough provocation for DPRK to obliterate Seoul.

China doesn't give a shit about N Korea.

I doubt China would side with NK it's far more likely that they side with the US as a frienemy like the Russians in ww2. So many players like Russia and India, nobody knows what they'd do if a new war broke out. If something does happen, its going to be really interesting to see who sides with who. One thing is for certain though, the war will be pretty one sided, spelling doom to whoever makes the US mad.

China has a defense pact with North Korea

What if China just comes and takes NK? Sick of Kim's shit maybe?

...or all of Korea.

Idk I think everyone in general is just sick of the threats that have been happening year after year.

A plausible scenario. Look up Operation, "chick." (OPLAN 5029) It's already been planned.

on the recent iran deal where Russia acted as one of the main negotiator.

orthodox christians and muslims(shai) hold hands...

According to Muslim scriptures it will happen in end times called Mulhama aka Armageddon.

It's all China. The Tianjin blast (plus Shandong blast, plus North Korea sabre-rattling) are all orchestrated by China to distract the Chinese people's attention away from the humiliating stock market crash that shattered the public's confidence in the Communist Party. And the chaos outside of China (fires, chemical spills, etc) are to distract the world from China's inner turmoil, and also payback because China blames the USA for downgrading its stocks and starting the crash. The Communist Party is seriously (and dangerously) wacko.

Greed is why the NWO will never work. Competition is innate.

Your tinfoil hat has still got the price tag on it.

Better a tinfoil hat than a blindfold.

Yeh but better to make your tinfoil hat by your own labor than to buy it from some capitalist statists.

Which reads "made in china"

What do you think the 'global ' means in the name Global War on Terror?

NATO+Israel+Australia+New Zealand+South Korea+Japan+Philippines

vs

Russia+China+North Korea+Iran+Arab League+ISIS+India+Pakistan+Indonesia+Brazil+Cuba+Venezuela

ISIS is in NATO camp otherwise spot on. Also US is trying best to move India into their camp, hopefully Indians don't fall for it.

India is practically an SCO member now.

Yes, but Zionists and Globalists are trying their best to pull them. It will be a stupid mistake for Indians to join that camp. Peace will be better for all countries except the banksters and elites.

Financial - shares are dropping because China has produced very poor manufacturing figures (it's the world's second largest economy). It's stock market has been over-inflated for awhile now, but financially it's not good.

N Korea - Kim Jong Un ramps up regional tensions in order to receive concessions (NK is suffering another potential famine at the moment). Obviously it always have to be taken seriously - but it's how they do "business" with the world, and is quite common

pardon me for being ignorant on this, i'm not an economic major by any means, but if China is producing poor manufacturing figures, and we buy most of our stuff from China, does that mean growth, or should I say, spending power, as a global figure is down? To me, this would say that it's not just China feeling it, but rather everyone with any sort of income just can't stretch the $ as far as we used to.

The actual manufacturing of goods (a slowing of growth) doesn't affect us so much

It's the fact that it's affecting confidence in the Chinese stock market, which is suffering some very big drops - and that is spreading to other markets

That directly affects pensions - and in the long run affects us economically

China is catching up to the rest of the developed countries, and as such will go through a painful readjustment phase - looks like that phase is happening now

You put that well. It's obviously just another round of North Korean saber rattling, but I didn't think about the reason behind it.

Implying that WWIII would mainly be fought between N. Korea and the US is something I diagree with. N. Korean citizens don't necessarily like their government or leader which is pivotal when lasting in a world war. China-US is much more likely even though i doubt that as well due to the sheer amount of money we owe them and their investments here in America. But then again I have no real idea if the things I hear are true.

911 is a product of dark Corps creating War…Who benefits when the US goes to War..Us Corps? You think ISIS really wants to kill people or are they on a familiar blood for revenge plot after being bombarded...This point of view is tricky cause if you stand against the war then people can point the finger at you and say traitor! Ignorance is what drives the poor blind bull...

We have peaceful form of Nuclear Energy like Thorium but we feed Iran Uranium…. Bankers bankrupt the nation and hold the government ransom cause they are on a superiority complex cause they control the payroll of millions…The Feudal System isn't over until Freedom is actually priceless and not for sale like $50 per inmate.

WW3 will be largely cyber based

With robots and shit.

And lasers!

And my axe!!

You call that an axe?

Dunno how we would win a war with elves, dwarfs, and hobbits.

PEW PEW PEW

and nukes

Tactical nukes to be precise which are controlled by battlefield generals not head of states.

DPRK (hereforth known as "best korea") does this all the time. all bark and no bite. its like stepping on a chihuahua's balls. yeah theyre pissed, but what are they really going to do?

china will NOT make any real aggressive moves against the US because we buy too much from them. it would be like owning your own store and telling the guy that is responsible for 30% of your income to go shop somewhere else. at a time when their economy lost the GDP of france, they just cannot afford it. of course, none of this will stop them from really giving the US the shakedown in cyberspace, as they are constantly doing, even as you are reading this.

Russia is just waiting for another global power to take on the US because they are tired of being the big country that is always getting pushed around. they cant do it on their own, so they need someone with a better economy and more respect on geopolitical level to start it, then they will jump right in.

Just remember to be skeptical and check for sources of stories coming through western corporate media who are controlled by those who profit from war. eg. Goldman Sachs & Time Warner / CNN's largest stockholder are one and the same.

I keep hearing that WWIII is just around the corner, but it never happens. Like when tensions between Russia and Ukraine grew and grew last year. Kept hearing this was the beginning for WWIII. I'm still waiting for it to happen. (NOT that I want it to though! So please, don't misinterpret what I said.)

That was the beginning actually....it was only a year ago. What we are seeing is it just developing.

After the assassination of Franz Ferdinand, the archduke of Austria-Hungary, it took only one week for WW1 to start. From peace to war in just a week.

Times are different now, everybody is terrified of each other and making the first move. It's a waiting game to see who will crack first.

I'm just saying how quick it was. It only took one week for shit to hit the fan.

When something happens, it'll come in so fast.

I don't think it will, the world has been in cold war mode for so long that even if somebody is attacked or bombed, it'll be weeks before anything really sets off.

Yes, the first time was around November 2013 if I remember correctly. It was the closest the world had come to WW3 in a long time. Then it started happening every other month.

I am beginning to believe that fear of the apocalypse is something innate in humans. We need to learn when that fear is useful, and when it isn't. Fatalism is poison. Despair is poison.

And now for the new weapon to be deployed that keeps everyone in check and fearful.

so true

So North Korea waves its arms around and a couple of stock markets take a dip, and that's the start of WWIII ?

My eyes are on you now, Russia.

It feels like the ground is crumbling before us. Humans are destroying the planet and each other at a alarming rate.

This is why Stephen Hawking thinks we should colonize our solar system and eventually our galaxy. To guarantee the survival of our species. So if the humans on planet A destroy themselves due to nuclear war, disease, or are enslaved by an alien species, at least we'll have humans on planets B, C, and D.

The people that move planet will be the ones that destroyed this planet. Let them go. If you can't live with nature in this planet, how do you expect to live on another planet?

There just going to become like viruses, jumping star systems consuming until they die out.

This is going a little far, now.

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So?

Humans are terrible, let's not infect other planets with them.

Also, once the colonies get to a big enough size/technology level, they'll be just another threat to Earth. You think interplanetary politics would magically be all warm and fuzzy where intercontinental politics aren't? I don't want to be worrying about Martians pointing laser missiles at me or redirecting asteroids to hit us if they have a problem with say France or something.

"Humans are terrible, let's not infect other planets with them."

Yes lets wipe them out now before humans start infecting other planets.

Real life Star Wars 😀

ITT: a bunch of people who don't want to accept the fact that time is up and the world as they know it is ending.

The tension is growing that's for sure

ww3 or more likely the end of the dprk

Link number two, the one with the explosions at the US base, looks exactly like 44gallon fuel drums igniting.

I'm not saying its not a deliberately set fire I'm just saying they aren't munitions.

Source: those explosions look the same as when we had bush fires hit our fuel shed a few years ago.

55 gallon drums, maybe?

We use 44's here in Aus.

My apologies.

China doesnt back up NK; China secures its border to NK, most likely against refugees (if a war starts). China has nothing to gain in joining NK in that war. The only thing they have in common is communism and shared border. It is unlikely that China would intervene unless the U.S. would attack first. That might be a reason for China to pull their army into NK territory but is very unlikely to happen.

Best thing that could happen (in my opinion) is that China invades and liberates NK's ppl and/or installs Kim Jong Nam as the new leader.

If China considers war with the USA inevitable because they fully understand how the degenerate UK/US elites think and operate taking out their allied South Korea and eliminate a potential incursion threat there makes perfect sense to me.

But if that happens you can expect WW3 next. Not because of NK/SK but because it's the first big theatre move.

Well now I'm worried.

I wonder what the Russians will do by the end of the week... :(

Burn more food, scrutinize the west, the normal stuff.

1st was Tianjin.

Then there was the Houston chemical plant explosion.

Then Shandong.

Now the US army base in Japan.

This tit-for-tat is getting out of hand...

Edit: Some people are saying this started when China devalued the Yuan, and the US was angry by this move, so they did a covert ops on Tianjin just to "teach them a lesson". Also, the timing of the DPRK vs South Korea is also more than coincidence. Something or someone is orchestrating a conflict between these two giants (the US vs China).

This seems a bit wide-eyed. China isn't exactly known for thorough safety regulations in plants and the like.

While I don't believe WW3 is happening, something big is starting on the Korean peninsula. The way China is acting, they seem like they are going to attack North Korea more than help them, they're done propping up a failed state and apologizing for it's rants of terror. It'll be over once N. Korea runs out of supplies.

surely china is moving tanks to its border incase north korea does something stupid... so that if they do, retaliation will be swift as im sure china wont back North Korea if they do anything rash... the only worry would be that north Korea actually has nuclear capabilities on all these submarines and old kimmy is an evil super villain bent on world destruction. because nothing good is going to come from nukes, im so glad somebody designed that lovely bomb iin the first place -.-

meh, idiots war you mean.

if you join you're a fool

Just another tricky day.

the who are love. the who are life.

Ha! That's exactly what I was thinking of. It always plays in my head on days like these. Good catch!

:)

Well, shit.

The world is going to war over NK? Nah. Middle East is the true objective of the west and has been for over a century. Iran is where it's at. North Korea plays war and likes to rattle the crib.

and only usa cares bout this

if so, they want us to think it is the North/South Korea conflict that started it all...

ROFL.

Yeah OP it started I see now.

This is just my two cents, but I believe we are gearing up for a war within the next ten years. Russia and China are both expending their borders, and I believe all of these cyber attacks are attempts by both countries trying to prod our defenses for our cyber security. ISIS is flaming up paranoia in both America and Europe. Also, many of the U.S. population is stock piling weapons and ammunition due to all of these recent mass shootings we've had, and lord only knows what Iran is actually using their nucelar research for, also their military leaders have been meeting with Russia pretty often lately which I think is a little odd. Dont think a war is going on right now, but I could see one coming in the next decade, and it'll be very bad when it does.

You really believe that NK will lead the world to WW3? you must be new...I mean... it's not the first time they act like this... the worst they will do is trigger a cold war on who's gonna take their territory first...

With N. Korea? this is going to be fast.

What do you mean?

I think Russia will try out the Illuminati and various "good guys" are set up to try take them out / bring them to trail before WW3 starts. However if the American people still don't "wake up" then BRICS vs NATO will kick off and you guys can fight for your overlords to win.

Lol @ people that think Putin isn't part of the NWO.

i know right. he's clearly kissing America's ass

bout time-get this stupid shit over with

When North Korea invades the South that will trigger a US response which will be the beginning of WW3.

Why do you the US lets N. Korea exist as prison state and acquire nuclear weapons meanwhile it overthrows Libya, Iraq, Syria, Venezuela, etc?

Because NK is the trigger of WW3. But its not going to fight for a while, because China's navy is not ready yet (they are going to take all of SE Asia and Aus). Give it about 5 years.

And new Zealand?shit guess I'm not Moving there.

Id like to see them take Australia. They can try.

Yeah, we're pretty fucking tough down here.

y'all just throw your most poisonous snakes at them. that'd be enough to freak me the fuck out. lol

North Korea exist as a red herring to convince the rest of the world that that is how a dictatorship country operates. It's the grown up version of the cartons "bad guy" while in reality the badguy is the one sucking us the, 99.9% of the world, dry through taxes for war profits. You think North Korea isn't "illuminti" "masonry" or whatever the group of people that runs the world? Check out the hotel Ryugyong Hotel. Its the classic giant fucking pyramid. Seen everywhere across the planet

A shape is your proof. Nice.

Stfu. Is it your job to shut down people ideas?

It should be everyone's job. You'd rather have people running around believing anything just because they see a vague pattern somewhere? This one cloud I saw the other day looks like Hitler, there's a Nazi conspiracy controlling our weather system.

A pyramid is one of very few shapes that make sense if you want to build a tall building, actually the sturdiest form, which shouldn't be very hard to understand.

Only if they're really stupid, evidently

It's not going to be much of a war then.

when north korea is not total stupid than this 15 subs are on the way to usa allready and when this war starts than 1-2 nukes on california and usa will not help south korea anymore until this subs are found ... north korea has over 1,2 million in military and they can overrun south korea in no time

US people will say this will never happen , but atleast it sounds like a plan

cant tell if foreign or child.

You really think we won't be able to detect Kim's 1950's soviet subs?

does not matter what i think ... you will see when it happens

and i just made a plan out of thin air what would be an option for Nkorea and what could be the next steps ...

i dont know anyhting bout the army they have but when just one sub comes through than it is enough ... you sure USA can detect them all?

yes! yes i am!! especially the older model subs! this is a stupid plan. the only ones they wont be able to detect are the ones that sink on the way because sailing subs around the world is waaay harder than it sounds. i know the kim family is all magical and powered by rainbows and fake unicorns and all, but this is beyond their meager sphere of control.

i dont think this guys are this stupid and will just run against Skorea without any plan ...

they dont even need to bring this nukes to america ... whats bout american allies? i dont think they all can so easily detect subs

so what when they send them against japan, australia, philipines or whoever ...

Stfu

This isn't contributing anything.

If you have such a strong opinion against this notion, voice it. We would all love to hear your thoughts.

Yeah sure World War III, also pigs can fly

Bitcoin maybe?

"And people shall neither be able to buy or sell without his mark, and that mark is 666".

i dont think this guys are this stupid and will just run against Skorea without any plan ...

they dont even need to bring this nukes to america ... whats bout american allies? i dont think they all can so easily detect subs

so what when they send them against japan, australia, philipines or whoever ...

There's no lack of money being turned into real estate, almost every new building going up in nyc is financed by the same company, or a shell corporation of that company

I'm in construction, I know first hand.

How dont you get what Im saying? The fuck is the matter with you people, this isnt conjecture.

Sauce

yeah, QE was a way for the people in the known to get out while the market was still propped up. Now they can let it crash.

India is practically an SCO member now.

If proxy wars counted then the Cold War would have been World War: Cold. If so, you can call this one "World War: Cold 2, The Meltdown" or something.

This isn't contributing anything.

If you have such a strong opinion against this notion, voice it. We would all love to hear your thoughts.

Nope

Why are you defending families of war criminals

Because we don't choose our families; just being related to a war criminal does not make you a war criminal.

Besides that point, W. Bush is a war criminal in his own right; he doesn't need the Nazi association to make that case at all.

Regarding the CIA, while I understand and admit they've A) been around the coup-starting block and B) they have had ex-Nazis in their ranks in the past, you're making the mistake that many Conspiracy theorists make: Seeing them in every revolution since WWII, and seeing Nazis still in the CIA despite no evidence to that effect.

Why do you keep insisting that I am saying Bush was a Nazi

Because the links you offered as your arguments asserted that very fact. This is why I told you to use your own words: You didn't notice that in your own references.

BTW America is literally arming and training Nazis in Ukraine as we speak.

Hearsay. Every civil war in the world since WWII has had one side or the other claim the CIA was involved and America was involved and thats why they're losing. Just because everyone claims it doesn't make it so every time.

Show me evidence of these assertions: A) There are Nazis in Ukraine right now (swastikas, genetic-superiority-beliefs and all - I'm not just talking about fascism: you said Nazis) and B) that the US is arming them with the knowledge that they are said-Nazis.

Sure, why not? I'm totally okay with admitting the CIA has funded and supported awful, awful regimes in the past and likely will into the future. I'm a big fan of JFK's idea that it should be shattered into a thousand pieces and cast to the winds.

We don't actually have a lot to disagree on. I'm simply trying to promote a certain accuracy in words and argument. Godwin's Law and all that: Nazi comparisons are rife and mostly unnecessary and uncalled for.

There's another point to that too: Nazi comparisons only serve to keep the "Nazi" image as the end-all-be-all of "evil empires". They aren't. The Nazis were puppets of the bankers. The bankers were the evil behind the throne of the Nazis. That isn't to say that the Bankers are Nazis though or that all bankers are evil. I am talking about a certain group of central banks which operate internationally, not the manager of the bank down the street.

Would you disagree?