To send a message

In my experience , every single time they claim to be 'sending a message' they're doing something they shouldn't be doing and have nothing real to blame it on.

As someone living in the area

1) They've been having military exercises all week up and down the coast from the San Diego to LA area. Normally all I see is rotary aircraft, but there's been all kinds of fixed wing and rotary, which means they're coming up from SD and out of Miramar. In that geographic area, you have an ENORMOUS concentration of military-mainly Marines and Navy. It's not uncommon where I live to watch the boats land Marines over at Pendleton.

2) It was a test launch of the next gen for our ICBM submarines. New tech does have to be tested, and the ICBM subs are part of our nuclear deterrent forces. It was unarmed.

There's no doubt that they've sent a message with the launch. The question is "what is the real message?"

Is it: "we have big missiles and even bigger dicks"

or "people who know this isn't a missile, look at what we've got..."

...?

I know none of you will believe this but they do this regularly to ensure the reliability of aging systems that they have deployed.

If it's so regular, why is everyone freaking out at something they've never seen before?

Maybe this is just an unusual instance in that it was A) a large missile, B) a night launch and C) relatively near a major city. Also, maybe people forget these things relatively quickly as they are pretty much entirely unimportant.

But why the blue light? https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3s47k0/why_did_the_la_missile_leave_behind_a_blue_trail/

This does not look like any missile launch I've ever seen

Here's a picture from a Russian SLBM test. There, now you have and from the same grade of missile.

From a NASA discussion board on the color of missile exhaust:

That's the engineer's response. Here's the astrophysicist's:

Basically, in a LH2/LOX engine, you're creating a H+/O2- plasma in the combustion chamber, meaning the electrons are stripped from their atoms leaving an electron-ion soup. The hotter the plasma, the higher the transition energy as the electrons fall back back down to the ions, and that energy is released as light. The higher the energy, the bluer the light emitted.

SLBM

This looks similar to the Norway spiral: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Dq7j6aNpLc0/hqdefault.jpg

Which seems to be a rocket that malfuntioned, which caused a helical path that created the spiral shape shown in both our images.

Spiral aside, your explanation about the blue hue does make a lot of sense.

That's not my explanation it's that of someone who claims to be an astrophysicist. That is a picture of the failed Russian missile test seen from Norway. Presumably the failure and resulting spiral would have no bearing on the blue contrail that was released before the failure.

We've seen it before, both in Norway and China. However, they were more secretive about it back then IIRC, than this recent launch.

Normally they would launch toward the Pacific, instead they launched it over a populated area. Either there was an equipment malfunction, or they intended to create a huge scene and scare everyone.

Considering that the Russians tested their ICBM's on Oct. 28th, this is could be interpreted as a direct response, which with all it's implications are pretty unnerving.

Not really. The old version of this was to perform nuclear test detonations in reply to the same action from the other, so this is actually much less disruptive!

It was a Trident II missile, which uses solid propellant. All of the launch vehicles using solid propellant are periodically test launched. Since you can't see the status of the propellant without causing destructive damage to the launch vehicle, and because non-destructive testing isn't very developed, the vehicles have to be launched to make sure the propellant is still acceptable.

If you're wondering, solid rocket propellant is sort of a rubbery consistency. It will break down over time. This could occasionally cause imperfections in the propellant allowing the burn to not go as planned (causing imbalances that may not be fixable with control systems, or other events causing launch failure). Basically, the propellants were created in batches, so we test another vehicle from the same batch to make sure things are looking acceptable.

It's more like "use it to make sure if we have to use one for real, it goes where it's intended to."

Yes, but... location, location, location. It was meant to send a message, IMHO.

Not really. That just happens to be where our test range is.

With the shit going on with Russia/Syria, I wonder if now people will understand why so many people were concerned (still are) with Jade Helm 15. The cold war is heating up...

Oh god, I don't think I will be able to function knowing that so much death and destruction is about to come upon us. I think the evil dictators we have won't go down without a fight, so I'm not surprised.

As long as you make sure you're not surprised by it, that's all you have to do. Just let it happen.

It's the politics of fear as usual.

They like to play with fire.

A lot of things get fired from the area around Edwards AFB (as an example) and then fly over the populated coastal areas on their way downrange to target areas out in the ocean.

Also there is this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Missile_Range_Facility

whats really odd is every time a link is posted to this story, the thread and all the comments get downvoted. thats why i just reposted the story a few mins ago. something is going on here.

Quibble: SLBM is not intercontinental.

How is it that this looks to be an ICBM test to you? Can you post a video of other ICBM tests that look anything like this? We've had ICBMs for decades now; there must be something similar out there.

You know "it isn't a UFO" and presume to know what it is. Are you basing this on something?

I still don't understand how you know it wasn't aliens. It could have been anything and even if the official story is true... Why are they so flashy about this missle test? Who are they trying provoke or send a message to? Its a worrying time.

If not aliens, then I'd love to see anything that even suggests this was created by our technology, intentionally or as a byproduct, and the whys/hows of ICBM or anti-ICBM launches producing this phenomenon. I appreciate your speculation and attempts at a reasonable explanation, but if there are "plenty of" missile launchers on the west coast, why is this the first time we've seen this kind of "test" there?

Edit: phrasing, because I need to go to bed

I thought it was irresponsible to be testing something above a populated area like that where debris could spread over a pretty big area. It would make more sense that they did want it to be seen.

Over an ocean you mean?

Fish are people too.

If that's what it actually was...

"Unidentified Flying Objects" Unidentified? Check. Flying? Check. Object? Well...Yea probably. Aliens? Probably not.

why is UFO synonymous with aliens?

I would assume its a test of an anti-missile missile. Like a Missile defense shield sort of thing. If you haven't noticed. Russia has threatened to nuke the USA about 10 times in the last year. It's not even because they are the bad guys, they are responding in the only way they can to our aggressive actions over the past decade. Nukes are the only card the russians can play which has any hope of making the warmongering fuckers in charge of our country, to maybe think twice about their activities.

When has Russia threatened to nuke us?

SSBN submarines launch a test missile when they come out of overhaul of the trident 2 missile system.

Maybe it was a testing of missile defense.

It reminded me of that footage from a few months ago of the rocket that went up and went out of control, then spiraled around. Except this one, maybe got hit by the defense mechanism, so it just flared up and stopped making smoke at that moment, and just left the big smoke cone there. That's what it kind of looks like.

This doesn't necessarily have to be an ICBM. If it's a multi-stage missile of any kind, it would cause this.

There's no real reason to test ICBMs, I would assume. No country has the capacity to accurately take care of them in any effective way. Could be new technology of some sort.

Edit: slight clarification - it could've been an ICBM, but I doubt the ICBM tech was what they were testing.

You know its not a ufo? How is that?

/u/austinanderson97

You know its not a ufo? How is that?

Um, maybe because the navy advised LAX in advance that they would be conducting tests and to clear the airspace? Or do you think that whoever (or whatever) launched the "UFO" gave the navy advance notice as well?

http://abc7.com/news/secret-military-operations-to-divert-lax-planes-for-a-week/1072890/

I'm still not convinced that it wasn't some kind of ship being tested by the Navy but I agree with you that the Navy was involved in it, missile or other wise.

I'm still not convinced that it wasn't some kind of ship being tested by the Navy but I agree with you that the Navy was involved in it, missile or other wise.

Certainly, if you think that every other country is also lying about their similar looking tests being missiles, then then it could be anything you want it to be.

I just looked up other missile tests and you're right they do look like that under certain circumstances, I wasn't aware of that. My bad, definitely agree that it was a missile now.

Okay then if they had all this airspace over the Atlantic how did this "missle" find its way over the city

Okay then if they had all this airspace over the Atlantic how did this "missle" find its way over the city

It was never "over" the city. You don't understand perspective. It was launched from north/northwest of the city (likely from the ocean):

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2015/nov/07/mystery-light-sky-military-navy-drill/

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2015/11/07/california_mystery_light_trident_missile_test_seen_by_thousands.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/07/us-california-airport-military-idUSKCN0SW0SN20151107

Maybe you could try doing some of your own research?

Okay fine, so this missle blows up northwest of the city. That means this missle had to have been a MASSIVE explosion. Name one explosion you have seen where the color is a light purple and blue that lingers in the sky

Okay fine, so this missle blows up northwest of the city. That means this missle had to have been a MASSIVE explosion. Name one explosion you have seen where the color is a light purple and blue that lingers in the sky

Probably any time there are noctilucent clouds caused by rocket launches leaving behind smoke/vapour?

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/498935052235857921

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/photo/cloud-caused-by-rocket-launch-high-res-stock-photography/112187333

There are countless other examples ...

Do your own research, I'm done spoonfeeding you information that is readily available everywhere.

Ventura is a deep water port.

If it's so regular, why is everyone freaking out at something they've never seen before?