Do people actually believe the Illuminati Conspiracies?
0 2015-11-10 by Her_Excellency
Obviously in this subreddit we have a lot of varying beliefs, so I'm not actually asking whether or not anyone believes the theory (as undoubtedly a few people do) but I was more curious of how legitimate this conspiracy is seen among people who are more open minded about these topics.
At this point is seems that the Illuminati theories are some of the most prevalent, but at the same time they've basically reached joke status so I was curious as to how they were actually regarded by people supposedly more "in the know".
31 comments
10 Putin_loves_cats 2015-11-10
The Illuminati is real, they reorganzied after they were banished from Europe, the same way the Knights Templar did (in Switzerland). Are they shape shifting aliens? No. But do they control? Yes. People find it so hard to believe, but what does a corporation do with it's board? A small group of people getting together to decide direction. To think elites do not do this, is delusional and defies logic/reason. Are they in control of everything? No. Variables nigga and various cliques. Look into the Bavarian Illuminati and the coming to America and Yale. All funded by English drug trade. Happy rabbit hole falling....
1 Her_Excellency 2015-11-10
To what extent would you say the modern description of them as a Satanic Force in Pop Culture is accurate?
5 Putin_loves_cats 2015-11-10
Satan is for the masses. There is no Satan, however (getting esoteric), there are two bloodlines, Cain and Abel. One of "God" (Abel) and one of "the Serpent" (Cain). Both have the same mothers, Eve. The serpent wasn't a snake, and it didn't tempt Eve with an apple (or fig), they procreated. Cain killed Abel because "God" Favorited Abel over him. Abel was a servant of the "Father", while Cain (A bastard/monster) was more interested in the arts/science/math/etc. Look into Canaanites->Gentiles ;).
What the serpent or god truly was, idk. I'm not a Vatican bishop and do not have access to their vaults. But this is what the Free Masons and other secret societies know. Look into the Hiram legend, because this is what they look into.
Are they using music to manipulate people/social manipulation? Yes. To what end, I do not know. All I know, is that Satan isn't real. Like the firey place where a devil sits, lol.....
Happy rabbit hole falling.
Edit: a few words.
0 Dysnomi 2015-11-10
Totally false.
They were a bunch of anti-monarchic, anti-papist, meritocratic, idealist, Renaissance men. They formed a club to bring down the royal families and the pope in Europe. They helped found America. They didn't do a half bad job.
Are they still around?
There's dozens of groups claiming to be them but none of them are. So no. I don't think they still exist, though influential groups pretend to be them from time to time.
Of course their battle against the Pope is why they've been called Satanists.
9 delelles 2015-11-10
Here's George Washington talking about the Illuminati infiltrating Masonic lodges with an acquaintance in letters.
7 Sodaducky 2015-11-10
Do people acutally not believe the theory??? Btw the illuminati was and is a real secret society that wanted a one wolrd goverment. That is fact. The question now is whether or not they still exist to this day
-3 Her_Excellency 2015-11-10
A conspiracy theory is more than a belief that some order exists (or existed), it requires that multiple people are involved in both the planning and execution of some plot or scheme.
So telling me a group existed doesn't really establish a conspiracy.
5 Icaria25 2015-11-10
did you perhaps miss "that wanted a one world government" part ? That already implies schemes.
-2 Her_Excellency 2015-11-10
Wanting is not the same as scheming. Unless you can actually show me where they were conspiring to establish one world government (as opposed to simply stating it as an objective/desire) this statement really doesn't really help.
You're stating their prior existence as a fact, so I would take that to mean evidence of your belief is easy to come by. Perhaps this conversation would be more fruitful if you could provide some proof of this? That way we can move away from vague generalities, they don't usually do well in conversations over the internet, especially not with so much disinformation around.
4 Icaria25 2015-11-10
Yes, it's not the same, but if their desire wasn't relevant to our politics you can trust nobody would be talking about it. I'm off to work now and i don't have time to find all the links i remember, but if you want something to read about this you could start from the rothschild timeline, http://www.rense.com/general88/hist.htm ( it's hosted on many websites ). I didn't crosscheck all the information admittedly, but you can easily find documentation on many core instances ( to say one, the power grab at waterloo ). Obviously rothschilds, altough a major one, are just a piece of the puzzle.
1 Her_Excellency 2015-11-10
I appreciate the source and your honesty, I'll check it out.
5 1Kv47JcMMMWcaLgUciF4 2015-11-10
There is an elite group running things, but the structure of the organization remains unclear.
For example, many people believe in a Judeo-Masonic configuration, but at the same time, not every Jew and not every Mason is in on it (perhaps the majority of Jews/Masons don't even believe in the conspiracy)
So what is the actual structure and how is the top of the pyramid configured? Various ideas are proposed, but it is very speculative.
Julian Assange wrote an interesting paper about disrupting the conspiracy
5 Geralt23 2015-11-10
The fact that it has basically reached a joke status should tell you a lot. Ever considered that the 'joke status' of this illuminati thing is intentional? So that people may ridicule it and not dig deeper?
The "illuminati" conspiracy is very real. To dismiss it would be ignorant.
4 Zerashi 2015-11-10
The modern idea of illuminati is absolute rubbish. The illuminati were an upstanding society of philosophers hundreds of years ago. TPTB have taken over their symbolism and spread it everywhere to tarnish the image of the true illuminati.
However many of the illuminati conspiracy's are oribably quite accurate if you replace illuminati with TPTB. Things like the new world order certainly. The illuminati also wanted a NWO but more as an alternative to the old world order. TPTB just want to gradually push the old world order into public view as the NWO.
If your interested in history of the illuminati then I would reccomend looking into Pythagorean Illuminism. Yes that's the same Pythagoras as in the Pythagorean theorem. There is also Faust, but he may have been a mason, in not to sure.
Edit: I meant Goethe not faust, faust was a character in one of his stories (good read) and he was a mason not illuminati.
6 Putin_loves_cats 2015-11-10
Fucking, thank you. And people wonder why I question the Newtonian religion based on Pythagoras and the Egyptian mystery schools. Conspiracy theorists really need to dig deep here. I'd give you some bitcoins, but I do not have any :(
-2 Her_Excellency 2015-11-10
TPTB?
2 Zerashi 2015-11-10
The powers that be
Basically the shadowy people who hold more power then the figure head of any one country
4 metabolix 2015-11-10
Well I don't know about the group per se, be it illuminati or free masons or whatever you want to call it. But I know there are people who control many world events behind the scenes. Is that too much of a stretch to believe?
Being away from the limelight has a huge advantage to them, basically it allows them to implement their agenda without being impeded by the public. They just let their puppets deal with the fallout.
1 Her_Excellency 2015-11-10
Generally speaking Illuminati conspiracies go much further than stating that an overarching group controls world events. In fact such a general statement could be applied to many different conspiracies.
I am more specifically referring to the vein of Illuminati conspiracies that claim Pop Culture is littered with satanic messages and subliminal mental programming. However, I am interested in views on the Illuminati in general even if they differ from that interpretation.
3 metabolix 2015-11-10
You have a point. But no, I don't go into such symbolism. People will start using illuminati symbolism just because it is popular, so its hard to say whether the actual illuminati planted these things or its just "art". This is the curious case of art imitating life or life imitating art. The chicken or egg problem. Anyway, good question, and thanks for being clear and balanced in your question.
PS: The pyramid and eye on the dollar sign however is kind of a hard clue to overlook though.
3 Knotdothead 2015-11-10
Don't forget the spider.
It's all to easy to get caught in it's web.
2 Crypt0An0n23 2015-11-10
Smoke screen. Some knew all along who is really pushing the globalist agenda....
2 digdog303 2015-11-10
Well, how do you define the illuminati? I don't think there are reptilian masons running everything, but there are families who literally control money, and below them there are insanely corrupt world govts and international corporations.
2 BurtMaclin11 2015-11-10
The more you research families like the Rothschild's the more some type of "Illuminati" seems to become a reality. That being said, I have a hard time signing on to the idea that a group of global elite want nothing more than to oppress the population of the world for the purpose of achieving a global government/society which will then further oppress "the people" (NWO).
I could see their hunger for money and power as being a means to get to the one world government because with so much global opposition to the idea they might see it as their only way to get us there, or the path of least resistance sadly. However, what would the global elite stand to gain by suppressing the people of the world once they have already established the NWO?
Money would, in theory, be of no purpose to them if they already control everything and there will be no more power for them to gain either. So what would they stand to gain by stripping the people of their wealth and power once we reach a NWO or global society? There has to be something I'm not considering maybe?
1 Geralt23 2015-11-10
Research theories on the preparations for the coming of the Anti-Christ (Dajjal in Islam), I hope that this will give you another perspective on things.
1 throwawaynameday 2015-11-10
Research the ancient mystery schools and modern theosophy and tell me there's no conspiracy.
1 HarvardGrad007 2015-11-10
"The real power to control the world lies with four companies: McGraw-Hill, which owns Standard & Poor’s, Northwestern Mutual, which owns Russell Investments, the index arm of which runs the benchmark Russell 1,000 and Russell 3,000, CME Group which owns 90% of Dow Jones Indexes, and Barclay’s, which took over Lehman Brothers and its Lehman Aggregate Bond Index, the dominant world bond fund index. Together, these four firms dominate the world of indexing. And in turn, that means they hold real sway over the world’s money."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/brendancoffey/2011/10/26/the-four-companies-that-control-the-147-companies-that-own-everything/
1 Cobra-Serpentress 2015-11-10
Yes, all of it.
2 Her_Excellency 2015-11-10
So do you believe that major pop culture figures have implanted subliminal messages to try and sway the masses?
If so to what end? I'm honestly trying to understand why a secret organization would want to leave signs of it's existence everywhere.
2 Geralt23 2015-11-10
As I have written to another person above, research and look into theories on the preparations for the coming of the Anti-Christ (Dajjal in Islam). This will give you another perspective on things.
1 Cobra-Serpentress 2015-11-10
I Do not Believe all of the Conspiracies. I was Answering the Question if people do Believe them.
And yes, people believe this one too.