Boy you make deniers looks bad. Holocaust denial isn't about denying that it happened because it was very real, simply the amount of jews that were actually killed. That's pretty much it.

I knew survivors who were in those camps man.

not deliberate torture or execution

Torture and execution was very real too tho. At least in the KZ Buchenwald I'm certain of it. There are a lot of documents on the "Nazi doctors" and their experiments. There are also plenty kilns to see. And since germans were very bureaucratic, there is plenty information on how many got killed and how they died, but probably you will tell me those numbers been faked.

I'm curious, who do you want to defend in this crime and why?

And since germans were very bureaucratic, there is plenty information on how many got killed and how they died, but probably you will tell me those numbers been faked.

I've always heard/seen quite the opposite, that even though the Germans were meticulous, there is a certain lack of information. Do you have any links or anything?

Yea I have to agree. I'm into the entier ufo/conspiracy/thigns arent what they seem.

But Obviously there was a Holocuast. Obviously it happened. Now the extent of it who knows.

But Obviously there was a Holocuast.

Except it wasn't a "holocaust" until a bunch of Jews decided to call it a "holocaust." It was just some shit that happened to some Jews during WW2.

"Some jews"

"Some shit that happened"

40 keks, sir.

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If you can't debate without name calling then don't bother.

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The real reality of the holocaust was that it was an exaggerated event. The whole history behind it, is a fabrication. Many Jews died. But, so did gays, gypsies, Slavs, the mentally ill, and others. Now, the reason and how they died is a whole different story. Under the current "history", there is no business like the shoah business for Jews. Also, more Slavs were killed by the Jewish Bolsheviks in Russia than the Nazi's let die in the camps. 20 million Slavs to most likely 800,000 Jews.

Oh and we all know that the winners write history, except WW2 where the facts are the facts and there is no denying it /s

10,000 hollywood films about the jewish holocaust and ZERO on the holomodour, the bolsheviks red terror, pol pots killing fields, Maos genicide etc should let you know who is running the show.

ZERO on the holomodour,

http://www.holodomorthemovie.com/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1275655/

pol pots killing fields,

The Killing Fields (1984)

a 12 minute documentary and one other movie 30 years ago. Is that supposed to be a "gotcha"? There are dozens if not hundreds of films on the jewish holocaust.

There are dozens if not hundreds of films on the jewish holocaust.

Big drop off from 10,000 hollywood movies. So what is it 10,000 or hundreds?

I think it's safe to say that torture and murder did take place in the concentration camps in Germany and Poland, but it was mostly carried on by the prisoners themselves. The German guards were held to a high standard. They were prohibited by their superiors from mistreating the prisoners.

Concentration camps became work camps to forward the Nazi war effort in the 1940s, and the fun and games the camp inmates had enjoyed up to that time -- a swimming pool, soccar games, symphony orchestra, live theater, movies, a library, a brothel, and so on -- gradually began to be overshadowed by the reality of Allied bombing, which began to deny the camps the supplies and food they needed.

The horrors of the Nazi concentration camps were twofold. One, the horror of disease, which the Nazis did everything possible to combat. Two, the horror of starvation, which the Nazis could not prevent toward the end of the war, due to relentless Allied bombing of supply lines.

The rest was mostly mythological, and grew up as the inmates exchanged stories between themselves. It was fed by Allied anti-German war propaganda. As in the first World War, the Germans once again were accused of monstrous crimes, all without the slightest foundation in reality. The truth was, the Germans were much more civil and decent in their behavior toward the enemy than the Americans, British or Russians.

The Holocaust myth we have today has very little truth in it. Yes, people were rounded up and put into camps. Some of them were Jews. This was a bad thing, but it was considered necessary during times of war. The Germans did it to the Jews, the Americans did it to the Japanese.

There was no actual "holocaust" of Jews. They weren't burned alive in ovens. Their dead bodies were cremated after they died of disease, starvation, or other causes. There was no 6 million Jews killed by the Nazis -- this number is and always has been totally absurd and an affront to reason and common sense.

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no god dammit, he is full of shit.

Working overtime I see.

Lol the old swimming pool bs. Haven't heard that in a while. Thanks for the laugh

but it was mostly carried on by the prisoners themselves. The German guards were held to a high standard. They were prohibited by their superiors from mistreating the prisoners.

That is literally the dumbest thing I have ever heard.. its been ducking well documented by the holocaust survivors that the ducking SS were responsible for the most heinous of crimes against humanity and that ducking Dr. Mengele was even worse then the worst of the SS. fuck man

Why do you keep saying ducking? You're allowed to swear on the internet.... Anyways, gonna need some sources for this. Also, the SS was nothing compared to Japanese unit 731, but no one ever talks about them..... Fun fact, we let the top Japanese brass off of crimes against humanity for their experimentation documents.

My surface pro keeps changed it to ducking, also I'm not giving you a source when its literally the most widely documented event

also I'm not giving you a source

Sums it up. Thanks for the honest discussion. Looking for an unbiased source. Remember the six bazillion!!!! Believe it!! and don't forget to pay the Jew it's war reparations! No business like the shoah business!!!

psst your anti-Semitism is showing! What's it like to live in a world of hate?

6 bazillion, 6 million were murdered by your Nazi overlords.. fuck the Nazis

6 million were murdered

Source? Because that is a mathematical improbability.

by your Nazi overlords

Errr, I'm Polish and the Nazi's killed my relatives also, so did the Soviets. The Soviets actually tried to genocide Eastern Poles. No one really talks about that though... Damn, it sucks not being a part of God's chosen tribe....

fuck the Nazis

I agree, but they wanted a Pure German state, how is that any different than Jews wanting a Jewish state?

Japanese unit 731, but no one ever talks about them.

they're literally brought up anytime anyone discusses the following on reddit:

Japan

war

war crimes

ethics in science

germany

america

ww2

the cia

they're literally brought up anytime anyone discusses the following on reddit:

Proof? I've never seen it.

Hahaha. Thanks for the chuckle

So, no sources/proof/evidence/nothing? I should just take your word for it? That doesn't seem very scientific, now does it? 4 month old account, about time for a coffee break?

Try searching the terms. Even reddit's POS search engine turns up many results. It's not hard. Especially if you actually read threads ;)

Still waiting....

https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/3tfq9n/unit_731_japanese_human_experimentation/

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/3ujdap/relatives_of_unit_731_victims_among_chinese/

https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryPorn/comments/3qqfb9/japanese_unit_731_a_group_notorious_for/

reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/3pbxpy/japan_furious_at_unesco_listing_nanjing_massacre/cw52cxr

https://www.reddit.com/r/history/comments/3s7de6/what_important_knowledge_have_we_gained_from/

https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/3mqvba/til_that_during_wwii_a_japanese_research_lab/

https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/3gj80f/til_that_researchers_on_the_infamous_unit_731_a/

https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/3qguep/til_of_operation_cherry_blossoms_at_midnight_a/

https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/3oromk/til_that_the_usa_gave_immunity_to_researchers_of/

http://reddit.com/r/HistoryPorn/comments/3qqfb9/japanese_unit_731_a_group_notorious_for/

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3tj2py/unit_731_japanese_mass_human_experimentation_some/

And that was just using reddit's shit search. Boy that was hard! I guess this wasn't one of your stormfront approved copypastas you can just spam so you're pretty much unable to actually put two words together.

The point is you (didn't) try and failed (miserably). Keep up the good work.

The point was, you make a claim, you source it. Thanks for the links/sources. Was that so hard?

I guess this wasn't one of your stormfront approved copypastas

Followed by an ad-hominem.

Coffee break?

The point is you (didn't) try and failed (miserably). Keep up the good work.

Tried what? Dafuq you talking about?

The point was, you make a claim, you source it. Thanks for the links/sources. Was that so hard?

Your own ignorance isn't my problem. Maybe actually try reading?

Followed by an ad-hominem.

Nope.

Tried what? Dafuq you talking about?

You failed

Your own ignorance isn't my problem. Maybe actually try reading?

1. You make claim
2. I (someone) questions your claim, asking for source/evidence
3. You provide source evidence.

That is how it works.

I guess this wasn't one of your stormfront approved copypastas

Followed by an ad-hominem.

Nope.

You basically called me a Nazi, lol. Which is funny because I'm polish and hate both Nazis and Soviets.

You failed

At what?

Source?

Well said, and spot on.

I've visited this museum quite often, it's very interesting. http://www.ushmm.org/

I read that the Germans executed concentration camp guards if they killed an inmate, there's at least a few on record.

Seems odd if the point was to "kill all the Jews."

Yes, all the facts that we have available to us contradict the standard Holocaust narrative.

It hardly matters though, if one single Jew was killed in World War II, that's enough of a "Holocaust" for Jewish purposes. "One Jewish fingernail is worth more than a million Arab lives" etc.

So, if one Jew was killed in World War II, we're all guilty, our children are guilty, and our children's children are guilty, forever, of "anti-semtiism" and "fascism" and everything else.

It doesn't work in reverse, however. No individual Jew is ever responsible for anything other Jews have done.

It's only White people that have collective guilt. So for instance, all White people have "White privilege" and are responsible for the "legacy of slavery and colonialism" etc.

Never go full retard

Can you source this?

Jews were claiming the 6 million number in the early 1900s way before WW2 started. Hitler interned Jews who were a threat to and had declared war on germany (google that) in the same way that the USA interned Japanese. You think those Japanese wouldnt have starved or died of disease if the USA was bombed and invaded?

This is a forum for free thinking

seaching ProQuest Historical Newspapers database for N million Jews and (danger OR famine OR dying OR massacre OR starving) in the range of this oft-repeated piece of copypasta (1915-1938).

http://imgur.com/a/wKIqw

2,000,000 39 mentions

3,000,000 144 mentions

4,000,000 25 mentions

5,000,000 33 mentions

6,000,000 44 mentions

7,000,000 22 mentions

or

credit to /u/twsmith

but go on, keep cherry picking.

Bingo!

Think about it this way:

If far fewer Jews were killed in World War II than commonly believed, wouldn't that be a GOOD thing? Wouldn't that be a cause for celebration?

But the reverse is true, the idea is to get the number of Jews killed in World War II as high as possible, and by whatever fantastic means you can think of: gas chambers, ovens, soap makers, leather made out of human skin, machines that masturbate Jews to death (no, I'm not kidding, look it up) Nazis changing brown eyed Jewish ladies to blue eyed with the use of magical chemicals and needles, roller coasters that fly into flaming pits, etc., etc.

No story is too grisly or too fantastic - if you doubt a single one, you're a "denier" and a "neo-nazi" and "love Hitler" etc.

It's all rather ridiculous, I don't understand why people put up with the bullying by hate groups like the ADL.

Lol you "knew survivors". If the whole story was true why are there so many survivors tattoos and all. They were probably paid to spout lies and stretch the truth. Its hilarious to me that people can't comprehend the concept of lying.

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The rothschilds or other influentially rich powers who funded WW2 to begin with.

The Jews are natural myth makers. Throughout their history they have created myths about themselves that have comforted them and supported them as a people. The Holocaust myth is a part of that age-old tradition.

lawlzz and r/conspiracy isn't considered a hate sub... yet blatant anti-Semitism runs ram pit here

You can't call something anti-Semitic just because you disagree with it. Facts are facts and cannot be racist or anti-Semitic. By the way, the AshkeNAZI (European) Jews (Majority in Israel) are the most anti-Semitic people in the world. Look what they are doing to Semitic people in Palestine.

Man you are a walking meme aren't you?

• No Correlation between National Socialism and Ashkenazis, the term "Ashkenazi Jew" was coined way before the rise of Nazism. You are pulling this out of your ass and you know it.

• Anti-Semitism is hatred against Jews, this is in the dictionary. While you are correct that the definition is pretty misatributed (Yes, Arabs are semitic too), the team "Anti-Semitism" is accepted throughout almost every dictionary as irrational hatred of the Jewish people.

• Even if the term "Anti-Semitism" is incorrect, you still hate the Jews, which is still a racist practice regardless on the definition of Anti-Semitism.

No Correlation between National Socialism and Ashkenazis, the term "Ashkenazi Jew" was coined way before the rise of Nazism. You are pulling this out of your ass and you know it.

Wasn't Hitler part Jewish? Was he Semitic Jewish or AshkeNAZI (European)? Is hating Hitler anti-Semitic, because he was part Jew, ya know?

Anti-Semitism is hatred against Jews, this is in the dictionary. While you are correct that the definition is pretty misatributed (Yes, Arabs are semitic too), the team "Anti-Semitism" is accepted throughout almost every dictionary as irrational hatred of the Jewish people.

But Jews are not the only Semitic people. Why does Anti-Semitism only refer to Jews? Palestinians are Semitic people. So, according to the dictionary (and language translation, heritage), hating Palestinians is anti-Semitic. But, that's not the case. Seems like a stacked deck of cards, or a revision of words/history....

Even if the term "Anti-Semitism" is incorrect, you still hate the Jews, which is still a racist practice regardless on the definition of Anti-Semitism.

Lol, by all definition the word is incorrect, yet thrown around.... I don't hate Jews.I'm simply calling out their bullshit. European (AshkeNAZI Jews) are not even Semitic people (They are converts in religion only). Yet, they are the majority in Israel who are persecuting Semitic people (Palestinians). So, who is the anti-Semite here? Seems like the majority of Israel are the biggest anti-Semites the world has seen.....

The term anti-semitism is widely known to be hostility against Jews. It doesn't matter if it's technically wrong (Because yes Jews aren't the only semites), people use the word "Anti-semitism" when referring to hatred against Jews.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism#Evolution_of_usage

This is such a pointless conversation, every time a ledditor talks about Jews he tries to be a smartass when bringing up that Jews aren't the only semites. Sure they aren't, but that doesn't change the definition of the term "Anti-Semite".

So the Jews are the only Semitic people? Got it. But, European Jews are not Semitic, so how do we define the term? Yiddish speaking Jews are not Semitic, so does anti-Semitism only refer to Semitic Jews or all Jews?. I need to know, so I do not become anti-Semitic. Ashkenazi are from Europe (Indo-European), than there are Hasidic Jews and then there are saphardic Jews. The latter two are more Semitic, but the former are converts in religion, not race. So, the definition seems like a blanket term/stacking the deck towards Jews. Palestinians are Semitic people, yet are not protected under anti-Semitism. You guys are great at being self proclaimed chosen people. I think Israelis' based on the information are anti-Semitic, seeing how Palestinians are more Semitic than they are. Russian Jew is not more Semitic than a Palestinian, sorry. People in Israel are a bunch of anti-Semites!

But Obviously there was a Holocuast.

Except it wasn't a "holocaust" until a bunch of Jews decided to call it a "holocaust." It was just some shit that happened to some Jews during WW2.

6 million were murdered

Source? Because that is a mathematical improbability.

by your Nazi overlords

Errr, I'm Polish and the Nazi's killed my relatives also, so did the Soviets. The Soviets actually tried to genocide Eastern Poles. No one really talks about that though... Damn, it sucks not being a part of God's chosen tribe....

fuck the Nazis

I agree, but they wanted a Pure German state, how is that any different than Jews wanting a Jewish state?