https://archive.is/PoUMo

This is a really good thread. Thanks for posting

No problem.

He is a sociopath with no absolute morality. He sees his actions relative to others. The concept that giving an addict what they want is moral is particularly offensive.

Man that guy is super shitty. I knew people did this, but you know the expression "you don't want to see how it's made"? I feel like I just saw a haggis being made.

The crazy thing is that there are millions of people doing worse.

This explains all the user comments that are almost correct, but one word will be grammatically wrong. I always thought they might be foreign English speakers, nope, bots...

It's a limited hangout. Corporations do not see the world clearly; the analysis is sophistry predicated on many loose assumptions and the results are often confusing and endlessly interpretable.

Just say something about jewish stuff and the shills will come out.

It has to be above a certain intelligent-sounding minimum threshold for them to play.

Yup, shills

"Paid hitmen" are probably damaging. Others that are not paid hitmen but are anyway labeled as "shills" just because they disagree with certain conspiracies are probably beneficial for the conversation on this sub

Gentleman's guide to forum spies: https://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm

Well when you see the budgets different governments put into suberting public opinion on the internet you get the idea, it's a very important issue for them since they are unable to censor in detail everything they apply these tactics in stead. Very important to control public opinion when the media is loosing it's hold on peoples minds.

It's all about negative and positive energy we are seeing a surge of negative this is bad . The badness of it is up for interpretation but I think it's the worst thing to ever happen in written history. The scope is mind boggling. There are ways to over load their workers destroy their convictions maybe even show some the light. This will take a huge effort on the part of those who are level headed and have good intentions to speak up and have their voice heard. If you lurk hear and like what your seeing participation is key to keeping this sub Reddit alive. We can drown out their bullshit!

Everybody has a different back ground and there fore a different set of experiences. Experiences form worldviews. I believe we have allowed the language we use to become twisted ina way that doesn't allow clear communication about our conclusions. Usually when I see name calling on the interweb I internally shut down and withdraw from the conversation. With love. If ya get called a shill you have raised someone's hackles, that has an agenda. Read carefully what it is they say and don't say.

it makes me wonder what sort of affect this infiltration of shills has on the general public's (of this sub) opinion. How damaging are they, if at all? I realize I might be asking for immeasurable data.....

Oh, hundreds of millions have been spent on either bots or humans to shill for various topics. Samsung pays people to lie about Apple and promote their products. Israel pays children to lie about jews, etc.

Are you talking about this site/sub specifically, or in general?

Oh, all over the Internet, not just here.

the presence of shills is pretty damaging and effective(?), what kind of role does this small scale trolling play in the larger picture?

Control the narrative and you control everything. If you’re the one who dictates what is right and wrong to talk about, you’ve already won, even if your ideology isn’t the winner in any given debate.

Hegelian dialectic.

I am still not very savvy on this site, and don’t know exactly how upvotes and downvotes work

The subreddits (styled as /r/conspiracy, /r/space, etc.) are run by moderators who have say over what is and isn’t posted or commented there. Meaning they’ll delete comments and submissions at their own will. Above that are the Reddit owners, who do their own dictation and can ban or shadowban accounts (meaning you can see your posts, but no one else can; when you log out, they’re invisible).

There is no free speech here. Anything that goes against the owners’ narrative is deleted. In some cases stronger than this, anything that goes against the subreddit moderators’ views is deleted, as they have control over individual subreddits.

I think scoring itself can even affect your ability to post. Too many negatives and you’re forced to go 9 minutes between posting. But “too many negatives” can even mean “you posted the truth and either a bunch of idiots or a bunch of bots/paid shills didn’t like it, so you were voted into SILENCE by proxy”.

Sooooo you're just going to take any information you get in this thread without questioning it, right?

I'll have you know that most of the people who support Sandy Hook are being paid by Mozambique.

I knew they were here, but hadn't been addressed by one until yesterday or the day before.

I thought there'd would have been more sublety to their ruses. The guy was obviously trying to bait me into a rant using a script in one of the steal beam threads.

Unfortunately people with hot tempers will be drawn in and write something they might not have said otherwise.

• I find it absolutely astonishing that there are disinformation agents at all. I don't think I have a price to be paid that would allow me to do it. How do those fuckers sleep?
  

How damaging? Someone here wrote a thread about how those that post first to popular threads can direct the narrative. This is true about everything. If someone is the first voice about something, it almost has to be addressed in context of what they said. I hadn't realized that until then. That's pretty big.

Astroturfing and the like are huge problems but we should be careful about taking it too far. Someone dissenting or questioning conclusions should not automatically be considered a shill.

We got a live one!

source? j/k dude

people that purposely derail conversations and/or submit false information

I've seen quite a few of these myself around here.

I'd say the worst part about it is that per reddit policy- what they do is acceptable. We just can't call them "shills".

Seems simple enough- anyone care to suggest a new code name we can use?

Bastards! Lol. I usually just drop hints that they may be on the clock or I make up fun words on the spot to describe their actions like" brigadier general" for an account that seems to be a figure head or at the for front of a brigade. Just be clever with it I'm sure we will find multiple suitable terms :)

they're no more damaging than any news station out there. any news channel or media outlet. In fact, it's far less damaging than say, CNN who has millions of viewers world wide. here? just a few thousand people who mostly share the same view at the world so a few shills here and there won't change much.

now brainwashing people and children? through news, media, video games, movies, etc etc? that should be treason alone and they should hang for it.

Nobody watches cnn. Their ratings are fudged.

plenty of people watch cnn.

Prove it. Prove that the ratings aren't just because there's tons of places that just have the news on in the back ground that's probably how they skew the numbers.

I see members here talk about the glory days of this site, before it was taken over by paid hitmen

I've been reading reddit since it was two years old.

It's always been shit.

This is soooo stupid and sad. What kind of stuff are you on that makes you think people would waste their time to argue with random people on the internet. You should sober up before you post stuff

You realize you just made yourself sound like a shill, right?

I think he was sarcastic.

Dude you missed an o it clearly states in the memo you received that all sarcastic so's should contain no less than 5 o's as demonstrated perfectly by the comment above.

I'm sooooo sorry.

Bastards! Lol. I usually just drop hints that they may be on the clock or I make up fun words on the spot to describe their actions like" brigadier general" for an account that seems to be a figure head or at the for front of a brigade. Just be clever with it I'm sure we will find multiple suitable terms :)

Nobody watches cnn. Their ratings are fudged.

The crazy thing is that there are millions of people doing worse.