Draft of Saudi Involvement with 9/11
133 2016-02-18 by ShellOilNigeria
I have been asked to post this here, it is not concrete evidence but rather a solid argument for Saudi Arabian involvement with September 11th 2001.
All of the links below are taken from mainstream sources with the exception of history commons, which itself, uses mainstream media sources to create the available timelines.
(If you decide to look at history commons further, some of the links may be dead. In this case, use the information provided (link headline, author, publication, body of quote) to search https://archive.org/web/ and find the article.)
Here is some background on History Commons to save time - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_Commons#Commentary_on_the_website
This post is not every exact detail and I will tell you upfront, that I have forgotten to include a lot information, simply because there is so much information. With that said and without further ado, may I present to you a selection of my research for Saudi Arabian involvement with September 11th. I hope you learn something new by reading my post.
“I am convinced that there was a direct line between at least some of the terrorists who carried out the September 11th attacks and the government of Saudi Arabia,” Graham told the court.
-- Senator Bob Graham of Florida
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/01/us/graham-and-kerrey-see-possible-saudi-9-11-link.html?_r=0
The Saudis deny any role in 9/11, but the CIA in one memo reportedly found “incontrovertible evidence” that Saudi government officials — not just wealthy Saudi hardliners, but high-level diplomats and intelligence officers employed by the kingdom — helped the hijackers both financially and logistically.
http://nypost.com/2013/12/15/inside-the-saudi-911-coverup/
“The attorneys and investigators were able to obtain, through French intelligence, the translation of a secretly recorded meeting between representatives of bin Laden and three Saudi princes in which they sought to pay him hush money to keep him from attacking their enterprises in Saudi Arabia.”
http://edition.cnn.com/2002/LAW/08/15/attacks.suit/
Cantor Fitzgerald Securities, a bond-trading firm that lost 658 employees in the World Trade Center attacks, files a $7 billion lawsuit against the government of Saudi Arabia for allegedly supporting al-Qaeda prior to 9/11. The lawsuit names dozens of other defendants, including many Saudi banks and Islamic charities. Many of the defendants had also been named in the still-pending $300 billion Ron Motley lawsuit (see August 15, 2002). The Cantor Fitzgerald lawsuit claims the Saudi Arabian government “knew and intended that these Saudi-based charity and relief organization defendants would provide financial and material support and substantial assistance to al-Qaeda.… This uninterrupted financial and material support and substantial assistance enabled the al-Qaeda defendants to plan, orchestrate and carry out the Sept. 11 attacks.” [ASSOCIATED PRESS, 9/3/2004]
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a090204cantorsues#a090204cantorsues
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a040994citizenship#a040994citizenship
The Saudi government revokes bin Laden’s citizenship and moves to freeze his assets in Saudi Arabia because of his support for Muslim fundamentalist movements. [NEW YORK TIMES, 4/10/1994; PBS FRONTLINE, 2001] However, allegedly, this is only a public front and they privately continue to support him as part of a secret deal allegedly made in 1991 (see Summer 1991). In fact, bin Laden will travel to Albania as part of an official Saudi delegation later in the month (see Shortly After April 9, 1994). The Saudis were said to have been pressured into this move after US officials privately met with Saudi officials and confronted them with satellite images of al-Qaeda training camps in northern Sudan. [DER SPIEGEL (HAMBURG), 6/6/2005] But Alain Chouet, head of the French intelligence subdivision tracking terrorist movements, will later claim that bin Laden’s “loss of Saudi nationality is nothing but a farce.” [LE MONDE (PARIS), 4/15/2007]
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a061404secretdeals#a061404secretdeals
In June 2004, the Los Angeles Times will report that, according to some 9/11 Commission members and US counterterrorism officials, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia cut secret deals with the Taliban and bin Laden before 9/11. These deals date to this year, if not earlier, and will successfully shield both countries from al-Qaeda attacks until long after 9/11. “Saudi Arabia provid[es] funds and equipment to the Taliban and probably directly to bin Laden, and [doesn’t] interfere with al-Qaeda’s efforts to raise money, recruit and train operatives, and establish cells throughout the kingdom, commission and US officials [say]. Pakistan provide[s] even more direct assistance, its military and intelligence agencies often coordinating efforts with the Taliban and al-Qaeda, they [say].” The two countries will become targets of al-Qaeda attacks only after they launch comprehensive efforts to eliminate the organization’s domestic cells. In Saudi Arabia, such efforts won’t begin until late 2003. [LOS ANGELES TIMES, 7/16/2004] However, such allegations go completely unmentioned in the 9/11 Commission’s final report, which only includes material unanimously agreed upon by the ten commissioners. [9/11 COMMISSION, 7/24/2004]
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/oct/19/alqaida.september11
Saudi Arabia has nominated its former intelligence chief, who had several meetings with Osama bin Laden, to be its next ambassador in London. Oxford-educated Prince Turki al-Faisal is likely to take up his post within a few weeks, though he is dogged by controversy.
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a101802turkiambassador#a101802turkiambassador
Saudi Arabia announces that Turki al-Faisal will be its next ambassador to Britain. Turki is a controversial figure because of his long-standing relationship to bin Laden. He has also been named in a lawsuit (see August 15, 2002) by 9/11 victims’ relatives against Saudi Arabians for their support of al-Qaeda before 9/11. It is later noted that his ambassador position could give him diplomatic immunity from the lawsuit. [NEW YORK TIMES, 12/30/2002] Turki’s predecessor as ambassador was recalled after it was revealed he had written poems praising suicide bombers. [OBSERVER, 3/2/2003] Articles reporting on his new posting suggest that Turki last met bin Laden in the early 1990s, before bin Laden became wanted by the US for his anti-American militancy. [LONDON TIMES, 10/18/2002; GUARDIAN, 10/19/2002] However, these reports fail to mention other reported contacts with bin Laden, including a possible secret meeting in 199
He is one of several prominent Saudis facing a compensation claim of more than $600bn (£400bn) brought in the United States by families of the September 11 victims.
Prince Naif bin Abdulaziz al Saud, the Saudi interior minister and a member of the royal family, gave al Qaeda money in support of international terrorism. In addition, as interior minister, he controls the activities of numerous Islamic charities that have helped finance al Qaeda, the suit alleges.
Prince Abudullah al Faisal bin Abdulaziz al Saud, the former Saudi health minister and a royal family member, aided al Qaeda through his role as majority owner of Alfaisliah Group, which employed an al Qaeda financier, Muhammed Galeb Kalaje Zouaydi, who is now jailed in Spain awaiting trial.
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/9-11-victims-suit-expanded-New-defendants-in-2750966.php
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a082002saudimoney#a082002saudimoney
The Financial Times reports that “disgruntled Saudis have pulled tens of billions of dollars out of the US, signaling a deep alienation from America.” Estimates range from $100 billion to over $200 billion. Part of the anger is in response to reports that the US might attack Saudi Arabia and freeze Saudi assets unless Saudi Arabia makes a serious effort al-Qaeda and other Islamic militant groups. It is also in response to a lawsuit against many Saudi Arabians that also may lead to a freeze of Saudi assets (see August 15, 2002). Estimates of total Saudi investments in the US range from $400 billion to $600 billion. [FINANCIAL TIMES, 8/20/2002]
Ptech
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasin_al-Qadi#1999_-_2001:_Ptech.2C_the_FAA_and_9.2F11
According to their own business plan for Ptech’s 1999 contract with the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), the Ptech software team began working two years prior to 9/11 to identify potential problems or weaknesses in the FAA’s emergency response plans.[79]
Specifically, Ptech was paid by the Federal Aviation Administration to find weaknesses in the FAA’s response plans for events like the terrorist hijacking of a plane over U.S. airspace.
The September 11 attacks in 2001 killed up to 3,000 people. Suheil Laher was Ptech’s chief software architect.[37][80] “When he wasn’t writing the software that would provide Ptech with detailed operational blueprints of some of the most sensitive agencies in the U.S. government, he was writing articles in praise of Islamic holy war.”[81] He was “fond of quoting Abdullah Azzam, Osama bin Laden’s mentor and the head of Maktab al-Khidamat, which was the precursor of Al Qaeda.”,[82][83]
http://www.fbi.gov/boston/press-releases/2009/bs071509.htm
The indictment charges Peterson and Ziade with falsely representing the identities of Ptech’s major shareholders in this loan application to conceal the ownership interest in Ptech held by a Specially Designated Global Terrorist, Yassin Kadi aka Yassin Al-Kadi aka Yassin Al-Qadi aka Yassin Qadi (Kadi) through Sarmany Limited, a company Qadi owned and controlled. Ziade served as Ptech’s President, Chief Executive Officer and Chairman of its Board of Directors from February 1994 to 2003 while Peterson served as Ptech’s Chief Financial Officer and Chief Operating Officer from February 2001 to August 2002.
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a94ptechbmi#a94ptechbmi
Yaqub Mirza. He is a Ptech investor and on a Ptech advisory board. He directs SAAR, a multi-million dollar network of companies and charities in Herndon, Virginia (see July 29, 1983). In March 2002, US investigators will raid the SAAR network for suspected terrorism ties (see March 20, 2002). In late 2002, the Wall Street Journal will report, “US officials privately say Mr. Mirza and his associates also have connections to al-Qaeda and to other entities officially listed by the US as sponsors of terrorism.” [WALL STREET JOURNAL, 12/6/2002; WBZ 4 (BOSTON), 12/9/2002; ASSOCIATED PRESS, 1/3/2003]
Joe Bergantino, a CBS journalist who will be the first to report on Ptech, will say of Ptech in 2002, “The worst-case scenario is that this is a situation where this was planned for a very long time to establish a company in this country and in the computer software business that would target federal agencies and gain access to key government data to essentially help terrorists launch another attack.” [NATIONAL PUBLIC RADIO, 12/8/2002]
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a1098alqadi#a1098alqadi
Two months after the US embassy bombings in Africa (see 10:35-10:39 a.m., August 7, 1998), FBI agent Robert Wright and his Vulgar Betrayal investigation discover evidence they think ties Saudi multimillionaire Yassin al-Qadi to the bombings.
ABC News will report in 2002, “According to US officials, al-Qadi [has] close personal and business connections with the Saudi royal family.” [ABC NEWS, 11/26/2002] Wright later will allege that FBI headquarters even attempted to shut down the Vulgar Betrayal investigation altogether at this time. He says, “They wanted to kill it.” [ABC NEWS, 12/19/2002] However, he will claim, “Fortunately an assistant special agent in Chicago interceded to prevent FBI headquarters from closing Operation Vulgar Betrayal.” [FEDERAL NEWS SERVICE, 6/2/2003] He claims that a new supervisor will write in late 1998, “Agent Wright has spearheaded this effort despite embarrassing lack of investigative resources available to the case, such as computers, financial analysis software, and a team of financial analysts. Although far from being concluded, the success of this investigation so far has been entirely due to the foresight and perseverance of Agent Wright.” [FEDERAL NEWS SERVICE, 5/30/2002] When the story of this interference in the alleged al-Qadi-embassy bombings connection will be reported in late 2002, Wright will conclude, “September the 11th is a direct result of the incompetence of the FBI’s International Terrorism Unit. No doubt about that. Absolutely no doubt about that. You can’t know the things I know and not go public.” He will remain prohibited from telling all he knows, merely hinting, “There’s so much more. God, there’s so much more. A lot more.” [ABC NEWS, 12/19/2002]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Wright,_Jr.
After his revelations circa 2002–2003 he was demoted.[1][4]
See also - (New King of Saudi Arabia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_High_Commission_for_Aid_to_Bosnia
was a charity organization founded in 1993 by Prince Salman bin Abdulaziz
Among the items found at Sarajevo premises the Saudi High Commission when it was raided by NATO forces in September 2001[1] were before-and-after photographs of the World Trade Center, US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, and the USS Cole; maps of government buildings in Washington; materials for forging US State Department badges; files on the use of crop duster aircraft; and anti-Semitic and anti-American material geared toward children. Among six Algerians who would later be incarcerated at the Camp X-Ray detention center at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba for plotting an attack on the US embassy in Sarajevo were two employees of the Commission, including a cell member who was in telephone contact with Osama bin Laden aid and al Qaeda operational commander Abu Zubayda.
More sauce - http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/feb/23/davidpallister
More sauce - http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=khalil_ziyad_1
By 1996, NSA wiretaps reveal that Prince Salman is funding Islamic militants using charity fronts
A 1996 CIA report mentions, “We continue to have evidence that even high ranking members of the collecting or monitoring agencies in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Pakistan - such as the Saudi High Commission - are involved in illicit activities, including support for terrorists”
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a94salmanfunding#a94salmanfunding
By 1994, if not earlier, the NSA is collecting electronic intercepts of conversations between Saudi Arabian royal family members. Journalist Seymour Hersh will later write, “according to an official with knowledge of their contents, the intercepts show that the Saudi government, working through Prince Salman [bin Abdul Aziz], contributed millions to charities that, in turn, relayed the money to fundamentalists. ‘We knew that Salman was supporting all of the causes,’ the official told me.” By July 1996 or soon after, US intelligence “had more than enough raw intelligence to conclude… bin Laden [was] receiving money from prominent Saudis.” [HERSH, 2004, PP. 324, 329-330] One such alleged charity front linked to Salman is the Saudi High Commission in Bosnia (see 1996 and After). Prince Salman has long been the governor of Riyadh province. At the time, he is considered to be about fourth in line to be king of Saudi Arabia. His son Prince Ahmed bin Salman will later be accused of having connections with al-Qaeda leader Abu Zubaida (see Early April 2002). [PBS, 10/4/2004]
See Prince Bandar as well -
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/feb/15/bae.armstrade
Saudi Arabia's rulers threatened to make it easier for terrorists to attack London unless corruption investigations into their arms deals were halted, according to court documents revealed yesterday.
Previously secret files describe how investigators were told they faced "another 7/7" and the loss of "British lives on British streets" if they pressed on with their inquiries and the Saudis carried out their threat to cut off intelligence.
California
Most of the allegations of links between the Saudi government and the 9/11 hijackers revolve around two enigmatic Saudi men who lived in San Diego: Omar al-Bayoumi and Osama Basnan, both of whom have long since left the United States.
In early 2000, al-Bayoumi, who had previously worked for the Saudi government in civil aviation (a part of the Saudi defense department), invited two of the hijackers, Khalid Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi, to San Diego from Los Angeles. He told authorities he met the two men by chance when he sat next to them at a restaurant.
Newsweek reported in 2002 that al-Bayoumi’s invitation was extended on the same day that he visited the Saudi Consulate in Los Angeles for a private meeting.
Al-Bayoumi arranged for the two future hijackers to live in an apartment and paid $1,500 to cover their first two months of rent. Al-Bayoumi was briefly interviewed in Britain but was never brought back to the United States for questioning.
As for Basnan, Newsweek reported that he received monthly checks for several years totaling as much as $73,000 from the Saudi ambassador to the United States, Prince Bandar, and his wife, Princess Haifa Faisal. Although the checks were sent to pay for thyroid surgery for Basnan’s wife, Majeda Dweikat, Dweikat signed many of the checks over to al-Bayoumi’s wife, Manal Bajadr. This money allegedly made its way into the hands of hijackers, according to the 9/11 report.
Despite all this, Basnan was ultimately allowed to return to Saudi Arabia, and Dweikat was deported to Jordan.
Sources and numerous press reports also suggest that the 28 pages include more information about Abdussattar Shaikh, an FBI asset in San Diego who Newsweek reported was friends with al-Bayoumi and invited two of the San Diego-based hijackers to live in his house.
Shaikh was not allowed by the FBI or the Bush administration to testify before the 9/11 Commission or the JICI.
Graham notes that there was a significant 9/11 investigation in Sarasota, Fla., which also suggests a connection between the hijackers and the Saudi government that most Americans don’t know about.
The investigation, which occurred in 2002, focused on Saudi millionaire Abdulaziz al-Hijji and his wife, Anoud, whose upscale home was owned by Anoud al-Hijji’s father, Esam Ghazzawi, an adviser to Prince Fahd bin Salman bin Abdulaziz al-Saud, the nephew of Saudi King Fahd.
The al-Hijji family reportedly moved out of their Sarasota house and left the country abruptly in the weeks before 9/11, leaving behind three luxury cars and personal belongings including clothing, furniture and fresh food. They also left the swimming-pool water circulating.
Numerous news reports in Florida have said that the gated community’s visitor logs and photos of license tags showed that vehicles driven by several of the future 9/11 hijackers had visited the al-Hijji home.
Florida
Just two weeks before the 9/11 hijackers slammed into the Pentagon and World Trade Center, members of a Saudi family abruptly left their luxury home near Sarasota, leaving a brand new car in the driveway, a refrigerator full of food, fruit on the counter — and an open safe in the master bedroom.
In the weeks to follow, law enforcement agents not only discovered the home was visited by vehicles used by the hijackers, but phone calls were linked between the home and those who carried out the death flights — including leader Mohamed Atta — in discoveries never before revealed to the public.
Ten years after the deadliest attack of terrorism on U.S. soil, new information has emerged that shows the FBI found troubling ties between the hijackers and residents in the upscale community in southwest Florida, but the investigation wasn’t reported to Congress or mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/encounters-with-911-hijackers-still-haunt-palm-bea/nLxgP/
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a091101beforepinkpony
Bonus reading here -
Bob Grahams Book about the 28 redacted pages
Information about the 28 Redacted Pages
9/11 Lawsuits
http://www.floridabulldog.org/foia-lawsuit/
The Kingdom and the Towers
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2011/08/9-11-2011-201108
How the FBI is whitewashing the Saudi connection to 9/11
http://nypost.com/2015/04/12/saudi-role-in-911-being-whitewashed-by-fbi/
WikiLeaks: Saudis Largest Source of Terror Funds
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/wikileaks-saudis-largest-source-of-terror-funds/
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/dec/05/wikileaks-cables-saudi-terrorist-funding
I hope you have enjoyed this read and I would encourage everyone to research and look up information you are interested in and passionate about.
All in all, while this may seem comprehensive and groundbreaking, all of this information has been in the public domain for years. I have spent hours which amount to days, researching things that interest myself such as this. The only way to gain knowledge is to further educate yourself. It's the same as with life, if you want to get better at something, practice it.
278 comments
42 sudo-tleilaxu 2016-02-18
I know a lot of people seem to love this post, and I can't deny that there is a good degree of work that went into it. That being said, I just can't get on board anything that supports, expands upon and promotes the Boxcutter Wielding Hijkackers fable.
To me, anything that is crafted that mentions Hijackers is backing up and supporting the official government conspiracy theory and propagating a myth. I see it as a deflection away from the truth and disinformation in the first degree.
9 gaslightlinux 2016-02-18
Couldn't they have been there, but as patsies. Like they take over a plane and wonder why it's flying itself? Or they are simply on the plane going to a meet to plan what they think they are doing.
13 thing_on_a_string 2016-02-18
the passenger manifests, the 'hijackers' names are not on them.
3 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/04/05/911-hijackers-not-on-flight-manifests/
(Archive.org Link)
http://web.archive.org/web/20100114200401/http://www.boston.com/news/packages/underattack/news/aa_flight_11_mainifest_popup.htm
Edit - I updated to the correct archive.org link, apologies.
3 liverpoolwin 2016-02-18
Most were found alive though
2 TouchMeHerePls 2016-02-18
Yes, the Saudis were patsies.
https://youtu.be/zB9_EgiylOk
5 AssuredlyAThrowAway 2016-02-18
It seems to me you miss the point of the entire post if you believe the issue centers around the presence of hijackers; where in the official narrative does the US government lay out a Saudi backed plan to collude with members of the Bush Administration to facilitate the successes of those hijackers?
4 LukeMeDuke 2016-02-18
What is the truth? Government's final say or something else?
11 sudo-tleilaxu 2016-02-18
I believe the truth about 9/11 begins with these guys
Link to reddit TIL post I made a while back.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3f7jry/til_zionist_neocons_richard_perle_douglas_feith/
3 TheRealGing24 2016-02-18
I couldn't have said it better myself.
2 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
The government says that a single man in a cave planned, funded, and carried out 9/11.
That said, the hijackers were real and they had connections to Saudi Arabia.
Involvememt, not responsibility.
Obviously, the Saudi's were very well connected to the Bush Administration and there are so many connections, that my post focuses solely on the Saudis.The Saudi/US government argument is a complex and complete different post all on its own. There is simply to much information and material to cover in that regard.
I wanted to focus on just Saudi Arabia simply because there is so much evidence which points to their complicity and involvement and this is my attempt to help those unaware, to become more informed.
4 unruly_mattress 2016-02-18
No one is saying that Bin Laden was a goat herder in a cave. It's well known that the man was a millionaire.
7 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
Who had connections to high-level Saudi government officials.
3 unruly_mattress 2016-02-18
True, but that's no evidence that he was operated by them. The man had considerable resources of his own.
3 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
So what you are saying is that he was not a goat herder who pulled off 9/11 but a multimillionaire who pulled off 9/11?
To have an operation on the scale of September 11th, there has to have been state intelligence involved.
It doesn't matter how much money he had, he had to have high level assistance.
4 unruly_mattress 2016-02-18
I'm not arguing this point, just the "bearded guy in a cave" part.
As to what kind of intelligence you'd need to pull this off, I honestly have no idea. I don't know anyone who was in the business of terrorism and infiltration and I don't think any amount of googling will yield any credible information as to what it takes to pull off an operation of this magnitude.
5 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
Visas, front companies, communications, logistics, training, expenses, cover, surveillance, etc.
All of this is simply not possible without assets on the ground assisting and providing help inside the target country.
2 unruly_mattress 2016-02-18
Do you have any information that shows that all these are impossible to get if you have a couple hundred million dollars?
1 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
I do not. I admit.
Could you help clear up your stance? Do you think 9/11 was only carried out by Bin Laden?
4 unruly_mattress 2016-02-18
Me, I'm conspiracy-agnostic. Unless there's good reason to think otherwise, there is no conspiracy. I don't automatically assume everything I'm told by the government is a lie.
I'm told that an Islamic terrorist organization that originates in Saudi Arabia is responsible for this operation. Everyone seems to agree on this. This in itself is not evidence that it's a lie. I have no way of knowing if it's true or false - just the knowledge that telling lies is an incredibly dangerous thing to do if you get caught. Thousands of people are in the business of US national security, are they all lying to me? It's not out of the question, but it's also not likely. Certainly not enough to automatically label everything they say as a lie.
To the matter at hand - I wouldn't be surprised at all to find out that Islamic terrorism, in particular Bin Laden's organization, used to be funded by Muslim oil barons, some of whom live in Saudi Arabia. It's not exactly a well-kept secret. There are probably behind-the-scenes moves made by the US, that you won't read about in the news, because they're a state secret. This is all probably true. I don't believe that the Saudi government is directly involved, although that is of course a possibility. If they were involved, I must say I think the US dealt with them expertly.
-1 Metacancer_Hunter 2016-02-18
There is no evidence for this claim only evidence that is contradictory
1 Metacancer_Hunter 2016-02-18
Source?
3 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
-1 liverpoolwin 2016-02-18
Most the alleged hijackers were eventually found alive, even the BBC reported that
7 100_percent_diesel 2016-02-18
That has been debunked. Not to be lazy but if you Google it you'll see what I mean. I pursued that line of thought for a while as well. I'm open to sources which aren't hearsay and say otherwise for sure.
1 MarioKart-Ultra 2016-02-18
What evidence supports the hijackers being real? Real meaning on the planes that allegedly flew into the Pentagon, Johnstown, and the Two Towers, not simply real people. There really are only three things supporting the idea that there were hijackers.
2 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
Here is a photo (with timestamp) of Atta passing through the airport
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Atta_in_airport.jpg#mw-jump-to-license
I don't know if I fully buy into the passport being found on the ground myself. No explanation for that.
1 Apoplecticmiscreant 2016-02-18
"at Portland International Jetport on the morning of September 11, 2001."
Isn't it interesting that it wasn't Boston International, the place where they supposedly boarded? And why aren't there photos like this of ALL of the hijackers available?
1 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
They took a plane from Portland to Boston.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/sep/16/news.september11
I don't know about the other photo's, I have not looked into it.
0 Apoplecticmiscreant 2016-02-18
I'll save you the time. There aren't any. There are NO photos of ANY of the hijackers going through security at any of the points where they supposedly got on board. In all your research, you failed to say anything about this, and you seem to have attempted to let that fact slide here. Interesting coinkidink, I'm sure. I'm sure you don't have an agenda or anything here, either.
1 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
Ahem.
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a718alarms#a718alarms
Edit - Included video.
Here is a video in case you want that as well - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLEqjpHVPhM
1 Apoplecticmiscreant 2016-02-18
Thanks for the photos and video of absolutely unrecognizable brown-skinned blobs. Just like the "plane" that hit the pentagon, this fails to convince. For some odd reason, the government didn't release any better evidence than this.
1 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
Mmkay, well you went from claiming the wrong airport and that there were no photos, I provided evidence that there are, you choose to disbelieve.
I guess we are done with your inquiry now.
Cheers.
1 Apoplecticmiscreant 2016-02-18
Yes, we are. Because why would those about to commit suicide hide their faces for the only grainy, shitty footage the government releases? We all know full well that much security footage supposedly exists, clear facial photos, but wasn't released. I'm going to go on believing it was due to them being patsies at most, or entirely fictitious from the outset. It's a convenient method, very easily done by those in power to send us to never-ending war(s) on "terror".
1 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
What do you want? This was 2001 which was pre-HD video footage.
People asked for the images and they got them, they were listed on the flights, they were training in the flight schools, they were making calls that were intercepted, they were living in the US, they were getting money from Saudi Arabia, etc.
Sure, they could be patsies, they also could have been terrorists.
1 Apoplecticmiscreant 2016-02-18
You seem to be okay with the footage shown, even though it looks to have been taken with a banana. Yeah, it wasn't HD, but it still isn't acceptable proof of anything. It's quite telling that there isn't more, after all this was "security" for more than one airport. There were something like 85 known cameras on the pentagon, yet they only released a few frames from one camera of the "plane" that hit it.
So, you're convinced by the official version? What's your opinion in a nutshell?
1 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
They actually released a second video from the CITGO gas station across from the Pentagon after a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LJvFjsl6zk
Hell no I'm not convinced by the official version!
There are so many instances that don't make sense it's not even possible to go into.
My opinion in a nutshell is that Saudi Arabian and Pakistani intelligence pulled off the largest terrorist attack in history. The United States either let it happen, or they were "taken by surprise," or a combination of both.
Once the investigations started, they began to cover up and suppress information to hide their incompetence.
1 Apoplecticmiscreant 2016-02-18
What, in the end, would they have to benefit from though?
Wow, that gas station footage is about as enlightening as the rest. I sure saw a plane, didn't you? So glad that clears everything up at last.
1 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
Saudi Arabia and Pakistan got Iraq knocked out of their sphere of influence for one.
0 RPmatrix 2016-02-18
and a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link/s
your 'chain of thought' is missing links -- are you taking the "bombard with enough 'bullshit' and they'll believe you" approach?
2 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
Right, please disregard all the other evidence and base your entire assumptions on a folk saying.
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0 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
A fact? Where? Fantasy land?
Your name calling is unnecessary.
0 RPmatrix 2016-02-18
FACT: "a chain is as strong as it's weakest link" FACT
1 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
FACT: "The blue whale has a larger penis than any other living animal." FACT
1 RPmatrix 2016-02-18
FACT: A chain can be NO stronger than it's weakest link" - FACT
0 democracystrikesback 2016-02-18
saudi passports, saudi assumed identities and a saudi patsy != saudi
2 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
-1 democracystrikesback 2016-02-18
http://www.conspiracyschool.com/blog/2002-iraqi-intel-reported-wahhabis-are-jewish-origin
1 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
What is this? Why not link a relevant point next time? Here is one from your provided source.
-2 democracystrikesback 2016-02-18
not relevant? right
https://youtu.be/zB9_EgiylOk
1 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
Again, which point of that video would you like me to relate, especially to Saudi Arabia and 9/11?
-1 democracystrikesback 2016-02-18
and how does that relate to my comment? you do know agencies operate using fake passports and borrowed identities all the time?
3 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_al-Bayoumi
http://www.newsweek.com/saudi-money-trail-140813
Call me crazy but I don't think some super-secret agent using a borrowed identity is getting checks from Prince Bandar and hanging out with Prince Abdullah and George Bush.
-1 democracystrikesback 2016-02-18
somehow you neglected to include "alleged" in there, you are becoming quite obvious
2 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
It does not say "alleged" in the link I provided, does it?
No.
-1 democracystrikesback 2016-02-18
trying too hard
yes.
1 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
Personal attacks.
Yes.
1 your-nuts-sir 2016-02-18
Study Islamic Eschatology and you will understand that the fall of the Arabs (of Saudi Arabia) is planned by the Zionists cabal of Jews and Christians (not by the Torah Jews and Orthodox Byzantine Christians).
So the timing of this, Donald Trump ready to publicly announce that 911 was done by the Saudis.
Who the fuck is ShellOilNigeria?
I was asked to post this. By who?
Why is this stickied?
Goyim need to wake the fuck up already.
1 777dot 2016-02-18
spot on.
0 unruly_mattress 2016-02-18
Yeah where does the Thermite fit in? And the Israeli art students? And that moving company? And underground nukes, the energy weapons that turned the towers to dust mid-air, the vacancies in WTC and the insurance that went to some Jewish person? I'm having trouble assembling all the pieces together.
0 ragecry 2016-02-18
When someone hits on a convincing theory that may not be true, the state department can simply step in and promote it to distract everyone.
Thermite is an OK theory, but it doesn't captivate me. Which is why I'm leaning towards UPS batteries since sulfur was found. And if too many people jump on this UPS theory instead of attack it, I will know I'm wrong and the state department is doing a fine job using the theory to distract, which is when I call them out too. Just kidding. Or am I?
0 RPmatrix 2016-02-18
I couldn't have put it better myself
The OP reeks of Cointel to me
1 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
Come on. I am a researcher who has spent a lot of time with this and I shared it with the community.
If you go through my posts, specifically the ones that have been guilded, you will see that "disinfo" as everyone in this thread likes to shout, is not my forte. If you were familiar with me, instead of familiar with making false assumptions about me, you would realize that I frequently post around reddit raising awareness about corporate corruption (hince my username), government propaganda, the NSA, Wikileaks, and other topics I enjoy.
1 RPmatrix 2016-02-18
ok, idk you or your posting BUT I must ask 'why you want to blame the Saudi's for 911?' when IMO the obvious US complicity is sufficient to explain 'how' it happened ... ?
why bother? If there were ANY Saudi involvement it would be under US 'guidance', so it's a moot point
why don't you discuss how the Bin Laden family and friends were flown out of the US in the next day when ALL flights had been grounded? i find that far more damning
2 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
Why I blame the Saudi's?
If you will read my post, I have not blamed the Saudis. I have simply stated that they are heavily involved and I have provided an ample amount of evidence to support this.
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flights.asp
1 RPmatrix 2016-02-18
snopes as a sauce!!!/?
Everyone involved with the US is complicit ... why single out the Saudi's?
2 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
Either way, they were not flown out while all flights were grounded.
1 RPmatrix 2016-02-18
that's not how i remember it ... in fact there was quite some media discussion about it IIRC
why don't you cover how Bin Laden Constructions was (is?) a sizeable shareholder in the Bush company Halliburton?
That's a much more direct and (IMO) far more 'damning' connection
2 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
My post is about the Saudi Arabian relationship and involvement. I am well aware of the other inconsistencies with the US government.
I have read Kevin Ryan's book Another Nineteen, I've watched Another Pearl Harbor, Loose Change, all the Zeitgeist movies, etc.
I get it. There are tons of sketchy shit.
If you are knowledgeable about the subject, I would encourage you to write up a good post like I have done with the Saudis and share it with everyone.
2 RPmatrix 2016-02-18
But why now? it's a loong time past and there are more relevant issues to address ... although TBH I think 'the point of no return' has already been passed and it's going to take some unprecedented shit to change the current course of world events, like "Disclosure"
IF people don't believe the truth, Why not try and help teach these people about how competently and successfully TPTB have been in keeping secrets for decades now, through using the 'need to know' concept of compartmentalization of information. Starting with 140,000 people during the Manhattan Project?
First teach them "how the govt does it" and then "apply it to 911" ... the sau'di's are a red herring, as are the 'dancing Israelis etc. Surley you can see that?
idk but maybe you'd have more success changing people's mistaken beliefs by utilizing an already accepted event, i.e. the manhattan project or maybe discussing the things said by some very highly placed people just before they died (of old age) i.e. the head of Skunkworks and what he 'alluded' to ... after all he stated in 1991 "ladies and gentlemen, we HAVE the technology to TAKE ET HOME!
that didn't get much press .... 25 YEARS ago, The Head of "Black Projects" at Raytheon says "we NOW CAN take ET home!" and nobody says shit?
Or, "whatever happened to those trillions mentioned in congress that were 'missing' from the military, on 10/9/01 and were to be investigated ... BUT then 9/11 happened and it was never mentioned again?
The American (and most) people live with a mindset of "if it's not MY problem, I don't care, so long as it's NIMBY" .... BUT IT IS "in their/your/my backyards" so how about we learn to "call it as it is" instead of alluding to blame other countries for their part in a Global scheme solely orchestrated by the US MIC as was forewarned by Eisenhower in his (unprecedented) retirement speech?
Teach the people this shit's been going on for FAR longer than 20-30yrs, and maybe they will make the connections as we have.
I for one have been familiar with the history of these events since the 80's, unlike most, for TPTB have successfully used the MSM as their propaganda machine -- until the Internet stuffed up that scam.
I thought 911 was a false flag event as soon as i heard about it on the radio. i had NO doubts at all
What I didn't hear about was WTC7 until years later (watching Loose Change in fact) which was THE "smoking gun" ... alas, "you can lead a dumbass to information BUT you can't make them understand it!"
sigh ....
i just don't see the value in trying to bring the Saudi's into the picture, it just 'muddys the waters' IMO
nonetheless, I appreciate your efforts .... but i think you've put in too much info and it becomes confusing to the casual reader, (hopefully wanting to learn) and you sure don't need to convince the likes of me.
2 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
Because the Saudi's obviously played a gigantic role in it.
0 RPmatrix 2016-02-18
can you tell me in 100 words or so, tell me how and why they "obviously" did??
1 burningempires 2016-02-18
Because that didn't actually happen. Flights were resumed at 11am on September 13. None of the Bin Laden family flew anywhere before then.
2 RPmatrix 2016-02-18
sauce?
1 burningempires 2016-02-18
Flights were resumed at 11am on September 13
The 9/11 commission looked into the claims and concluded: "we found no evidence that any flights of Saudi nationals, domestic or international, took place before the reopening of national airspace on the morning of September 13, 2001. To the contrary, every flight we have identified occurred after national airspace reopened."
So, unless you have evidence to demonstrate otherwise, this is a groundless claim.
2 RPmatrix 2016-02-18
you're seriously quoting the "911 comission's" findings here!? The same guys that said a jet hit the Pentagon/crashed in a field?
lmao!
1 burningempires 2016-02-18
I ask again: what sources have you got that prove otherwise?
2 RPmatrix 2016-02-18
dude, you're the one making the claims, I'm asking the questions, it's not for me to 'prove' anything in anyway
what's really your problem?
1 burningempires 2016-02-18
You are the one who made the claims, specifically ;
Please provide evidence, or admit this is a groundless claim.
2 RPmatrix 2016-02-18
ummm, last time i checked, the word "why" denotes a question
do you even english??
1 burningempires 2016-02-18
Do you? Because anyone above a retarded third grader would have understood the answer I gave:
I've since also provided specific sources for that statement. And to continue your English lesson, the word "how", as used by you, denotes a claim - one for which you have repeatedly failed to provide the slightest evidence, despite multiple requests.
Is there anything else you need explained in simpler terms?
2 RPmatrix 2016-02-18
no it does not
you're an idiot. Debating with Idiots is like banging your head against a wall
The BEST thing about doing it, is stopping
bye
1 burningempires 2016-02-18
Well, we agree on that. Especially when the other person makes false statements, won't provide sources and suddenly develops a poor grasp of English grammar, after his falsehoods get called out.
Still glad you now agree, there is no grounds to claim the Bin Laden family received special treatment after 9/11. As I've said all along, that just never happened.
Bye!
1 RPmatrix 2016-02-18
Firstly I remember it being discussed on the news
Members of bin Laden's family and other important Saudis were "driven or flown under FBI supervision to a secret assembly point in Texas and then to Washington from where they left the country on a private charter plane when airports reopened three days after the attacks." The flights to Texas and Washington occurred before the national air ban was lifted. On September 13th a Lear Jet flew a Saudi Arabian prince, the son of the Saudi defense minister Prince Sultan and a Saudi army commander from Tampa, FL to Lexington, KY. Then the two flew on a private 747 out of the country
http://911research.wtc7.net/post911/aviation/binladin.html
AND it was Sau'di's as well. You missed that bit!
fuck, it was even on CNN!
http://news.sky.com/story/209876/bin-laden-family-evacuated-from-us
Here you go, here's a Senator explaining why they were!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMXY2we_8Oc
Of course most of this shit has been removed/redeacted!
How's that for PROOF huh!?
0 burningempires 2016-02-18
Got dates and times? Flight numbers? Y'know, real evidence these flights were before the ban was lifted? Because that would be actual "proof". As opposes to unsourced statements on a truther website, or vague statements about "shortly after".
Get back to me with real information, please, then we can talk. Because right now, you've still offered nothing.
-1 hazehk 2016-02-18
but but but ... muh Arabs did it! muh guns! muh liberty!
-3 Triplechins 2016-02-18
I'd say the underground nuke is most likely
22 flyyyyyyyyy 2016-02-18
this would be good alongside one for israel and one for usa
18 sheasie 2016-02-18
agreed. in fact, the evidence for Israeli / US involvement is far weightier than Saudi.
/I am surprised that there is a stickied post for the Saudis' role, first.
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2 whipnil 2016-02-18
it's the khazarian mafia. they infiltrated judaism way back when russia forced them to adopt an abrahamic religion. the wahhabis from saudi are essentially jewish, and the infiltration of the vatican occurred some time in the dark ages as well and led way to these families taking over european royalty as well.
2 outbackdude 2016-02-18
any sources?
1 Topskola 2016-02-18
Here is a good one.
https://youtu.be/XGEtE5G5Yhs
1 Topskola 2016-02-18
8th Century AD it I'm not mistaken?
0 TouchMeHerePls 2016-02-18
I'm not surprised. Clearly, someone trying to push the status quo/disinformation agenda has penetrated this subreddit. This may be a slippery slope...
6 AssuredlyAThrowAway 2016-02-18
We'd certainly welcome either of those posts for consideration, perhaps you'd like to draft one?
2 TouchMeHerePls 2016-02-18
Totally agree.
5 Flytape 2016-02-18
That's not a horrible idea.
14 TouchMeHerePls 2016-02-18
Why no mention of the dancing Israelis?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UMkX5uemLyk
Or the Israeli 'artists students'?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C4aHtWfeBI4
Or why no mention of the ones that would benefit the most politically from the event in the form of a parasitic host country that wanted the US to continue fighting its wars:
https://ehpg.wordpress.com/israel-did-911/
Or the ones that benefited the most financially:
http://www.storyleak.com/world-trade-center-owner-larry-silverstein-sues-airlines-billions-911/
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2008/03/27/nyregion/27rebuild.html?_r=0&referer=http://crimesofzion.blogspot.ca/2007/06/silverstein-and-911.html?m=1
Probably just coincidence, huh?
1 Flytape 2016-02-18
Probably because the post is exclusively about Saudi links to the events.
6 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
Yes, this is exactly why it does not mention anything about Israel, Urban Moving Systems, art students, Amdocs, Pakistan, $100,000, ISI, etc.
Saudi Arabia has the most information available for researching. I have attempted to make a post for people who are interested in this. Other posts should be made for the previously mentioned scenarios that go into detail about each.
10 TouchMeHerePls 2016-02-18
Correct. Ever wonder why there is so little information on the Israelis' involvement? Or ever wonder who made the Saudi information so readily available?
You need to look deeper passed what TPTB (ie AIPAC/Israel/US political cuckolds) decide to show you. You can't just lap it up like the stupid goyim they hope you are.
0 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
Because it simply isn't there. I've read Christopher Bollyn's book. There are a handful of people and circumstances that yes, they are strange (I mentioned a few above), but other than those few examples, it really doesn't go any further.
If you want to get into dual citizens in US government and the Israeli lobby, that's another post for another topic.
Which, if you are interested in it, I would encourage you to research and present for us as I have done with Saudi Arabia.
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3 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
A lot of that is reaching, and it get's into the dual citizenship scenarios that I was talking about above, along with some of the other examples I posted about before that.
Did Israel set this up?
Did Israel set that up?
Again, there are interesting aspects to Israeli involvement, they had prior knowledge, their front company, Urban Moving Systems, was there watching as the planes hit. That does not mean that they orchestrated the entire thing. Just that they knew about an attack.
0 TouchMeHerePls 2016-02-18
The Saudis were patsies.
https://youtu.be/zB9_EgiylOk
Credit: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3f7jry/til_zionist_neocons_richard_perle_douglas_feith/
1 Flytape 2016-02-18
They may be so but it doesn't change the topic of this OP.
4 TouchMeHerePls 2016-02-18
Just adding to the conversation.
1 democracystrikesback 2016-02-18
who allowed it to happen? who covered it up? who refused to investigate it? cui bono?
-3 burningempires 2016-02-18
Maybe because no one has ever shown any connection between the "dancing" Israelis and the execution of 9/11. [They were far more likely an intelligence cell]
And the Israeli art students? You mean the AUSTRIAN art students?
Let's face it, the evidence linking Israel to 9/11 is feeble compared to the mountain linking Saudi Arabia.
5 TouchMeHerePls 2016-02-18
Incorrect. The ISRAELI art students, which called themselves Gelatin:
https://youtu.be/TrNCdGUtcTU
https://youtu.be/JPBthTszLJU
https://youtu.be/jihcri3UU9o
https://youtu.be/ZkVg3bd02Yk
-1 burningempires 2016-02-18
Give me one credible - non YouTube - source for this claim.
0 TouchMeHerePls 2016-02-18
Let me Google that for you:
http://bfy.tw/4Lmn
0 burningempires 2016-02-18
And no such source.
Glad we cleared that up.
2 TouchMeHerePls 2016-02-18
Read more racist, read. You should be able to figure it out. If not, ask someone intelligent that is nearby.
2 burningempires 2016-02-18
Oh, I have figured out exactly the kind of person I'm dealing with here. You'd have to be an idiot to Nazi that coming...
-4 burningempires 2016-02-18
Sorry, I don't do Youtube. FAR too easy to make false claims, without sources or attribution.
Put something together like this post, for Israel, then we'll talk.
2 [deleted] 2016-02-18
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0 burningempires 2016-02-18
Yep, a great example of the lies, lies and more lies used by the "JOOZ DID 9/11" brigade. Let's just take one example:
This appears to be pure, unadulterated, unsourced and unverified bullshit. They had some duties at Logan, true, but didn't even work with American Airlines, who contracted its security operations at Logan to Globe Aviation Services. And I have seen absolutely no credible source i.e. not a blog to show they "ran security" at Dulles and Newark, as claimed. Have one showing it appears to be a totally different company, Argenbright Security Inc. of whom it was said in 2001:
Similarly, claims that Kroll Associates "ran WTC security" are equally unsourced - besides, I've been repeatedly assured, in this very forum, it was Marvin Bush's Stratesec.
So, any other made-up claims and false evidence you want to discuss?
1 TouchMeHerePls 2016-02-18
Try Google, champ.
-4 burningempires 2016-02-18
Have done. It's what showed me the total lack of meaningful evidence for Israeli involvement. Like utterly false claims of vans packed with explosives. That's the kind of lies promoted by your YouTube videos.
3 TouchMeHerePls 2016-02-18
You need to try harder. Or get someone you respect as intelligent to help you.
3 [deleted] 2016-02-18
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-1 burningempires 2016-02-18
Yep, a great example of the lies, lies and more lies used by the "JOOZ DID 9/11" brigade. Let's just take one example:
This appears to be pure, unadulterated, unsourced and unverified bullshit. They had some duties at Logan, true, but didn't even work with American Airlines, who contracted its security operations at Logan to Globe Aviation Services. And I have seen absolutely no credible source i.e. not a blog to show they "ran security" at Dulles and Newark, as claimed. Have one showing it appears to be a totally different company, Argenbright Security Inc. of whom it was said in 2001:
Similarly, claims that Kroll Associates "ran WTC security" are equally unsourced - besides, I've been repeatedly assured, in this very forum, it was Marvin Bush's Stratesec.
So, any other made-up claims and false evidence you want to discuss?
0 TouchMeHerePls 2016-02-18
You smell of pickled herring.
2 burningempires 2016-02-18
You smell of.. sauerkraut?
Nice to see, as usual, the JOOZ DID 9/11 crew are utterly unable to argue with the facts.
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-3 burningempires 2016-02-18
Yep, a great example of the lies, lies and more lies used by the "JOOZ DID 9/11" brigade. Let's just take one example:
This appears to be pure, unadulterated, unsourced and unverified bullshit. They had some duties at Logan, true, but didn't even work with American Airlines, who contracted its security operations at Logan to Globe Aviation Services. And I have seen absolutely no credible source i.e. not a blog to show they "ran security" at Dulles and Newark, as claimed. Have one showing it appears to be a totally different company, Argenbright Security Inc. of whom it was said in 2001:
Similarly, claims that Kroll Associates "ran WTC security" are equally unsourced - besides, I've been repeatedly assured, in this very forum, it was Marvin Bush's Stratesec.
So, any other made-up claims and false evidence you want to discuss?
8 Apoplecticmiscreant 2016-02-18
"I have been asked to post this here..." Who asked you?
edit: what, no wall of copypasta?
6 TouchMeHerePls 2016-02-18
My zionist masters.
0 whipnil 2016-02-18
I was in the discussion where we were chatting about 9/11 and Shell dumped that info. A number of others in the thread were impressed with the trove and asked him to post to here. He said he couldn't really be bothered because a shit show always ensues but was encouraged to do so anyways.
7 flyyyyyyyyy 2016-02-18
okay, to me this post (and the fact that it is sticky) is clear evidence that there is a media press to frame saudi arabia as the prime actor. very likely as a prelude to invasion and military coup
dancing muslims, amirite?
3 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
If that were the case, an invasion would have already happened. Instead they invaded Iraq which they did use the media to frame.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/46glp9/draft_of_saudi_involvement_with_911/d060jsi
1 flyyyyyyyyy 2016-02-18
no, the west-friendly saudi king died a year ago. and there's been a power struggle among the many sons ever since.
i'm hearing rumors of them getting friendly with russia. if that's true, then they're due for a healthy dose of democracy. and this would be the perfect setup.
2 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
We are still extremely friendly to each other.
http://www.economist.com/news/middle-east-and-africa/21663549-iran-deal-now-secure-old-allies-are-trying-repair-strained-relationship-king-salman
I also wouldn't think it would be wise to sell arms ($1.2 Billion worth) to them either if we were planning on invading.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi-usa-arms-idUSKCN0T51NC20151116
0 flyyyyyyyyy 2016-02-18
'extremely friendly' is a stretch:
the 'saudi 9/11' narrative is necessary for the us/israel to even have the option of invading saudi arabia -- whether they go ahead with that option.. i dunno
2 DoctorXX 2016-02-18
Yeah.. a media press that took 15 years to develop? Come on. Trump had the balls to talk about it on national TV and also blamed Bush. It's a hot topic right now. OP then decided to make a post on here with further details they've collected through their own research.
1 flyyyyyyyyy 2016-02-18
trump is still totally within the official narrative: 9/11 happened due to bush incompetence. there's no disclosure here. trump has no balls - he's playing a role: controlled opposition.
2 DoctorXX 2016-02-18
Please link me to all the other political puppets that have blamed Bush for 9/11 and the Saudi's.
You might find a few, but not many.
He isn't disclosing anything, but is shining light. Watching some youtube videos and reading about it on a few blogs doesn't come close to the same magnitude that someone on the national stage as the front runner of a major political party saying it on national TV.
0 TouchMeHerePls 2016-02-18
You is right.
6 Putin_loves_cats 2016-02-18
Excellent post, thanks. I now have a tonne more reading to do. Mods should sticky this.
10 whipnil 2016-02-18
Yes, especially since an hour after the post such a trove of information is only sitting at 2 points with 14 votes.
There's no valid reason why a post like this should have been downvoted other than fuckwits are gaming the new queue.
Why doesn't it get 15 upvotes in the hr like the posts yesterday that get brigaded by the AE911 mob?
2 Flytape 2016-02-18
Because of the ae911 mob.
3 AssuredlyAThrowAway 2016-02-18
That's the breaks when organized interests infiltrate the conspiracy community for their own ends.
The habitual pattern on behalf of that group of trying to undermine AMA guests that don't drive their narrative, along with a project panda attempt, have more than soured their reputation in my eyes; and that's putting it lightly.
Mind you, this is coming from someone who believes whole-heatedly that 9/11 was the work of PNAC and the Saudis.
2 Flytape 2016-02-18
I've asked for a vote on your sticky request.
5 Putin_loves_cats 2016-02-18
Awesome. More people need to see this. This is literally hours worth of reading. Top notch post.
2 Greg_Roberts_0985 2016-02-18
What was the percentage of votes, considering you gave all mods, what appears, 1 hour?
6 Sabremesh 2016-02-18
A stickied post should simply be interpreted as the mods suggesting "this is interesting". It is not an official subreddit endorsement of the message.
For the record, I missed the mod vote, but I personally think the whole Saudi "missing chapter" is a limited hangout and a decoy to draw attention away from more important 9/11 protagonists. Nevertheless, this post contains interesting information and I have no problem with it being stickied.
1 liverpoolwin 2016-02-18
"but I personally think the whole Saudi "missing chapter" is a limited hangout and a decoy to draw attention away from more important 9/11 protagonists."
This!
3 Flytape 2016-02-18
Is something wrong?
3 Greg_Roberts_0985 2016-02-18
Did all active mods respond within the hour?
4 Flytape 2016-02-18
Well over the required number to sticky a post.
This post represents an excellent effort from a long time member to compile a treasure trove of topic specific information that exclusively deals with the possibility of Saudi Arabian involvement in the attacks of 9-11.
This is something that has been discussed a lot recently in this subreddit because of the 28 pages of the intelligence report that haven't been released yet and presidential candidate Donald Trump's referencing those 28 pages as well as the Saudis, specifically, on national TV.
This subject has rightly captured the attention of a lot of people and I think you're over stepping your boundaries by acting like it's some sort of personal affront against you.
This is exactly the kind of behavior people are talking about when they say Ae911 mobs are overly aggressive and often derail any conversation that falls outside of ae911s territory on 9-11.
Other theories exist man, get over it!
-1 Greg_Roberts_0985 2016-02-18
It does not.
You mean the 9/11 commission report, a work of pure fiction
Not against me, against rational and basic logic
I am nothing to do with AE911Truth and the ONLY theory's i follow are the ones based on factual evidence.
Something this OP fails to do.
ELSE
Prove me wrong.
3 Flytape 2016-02-18
OP has very well sourced information in this post and I get that it seems to draw different conclusions that the ae911 theories that you talk about here on a daily basis, but once again... There is plenty of room for multiple theories here.
We like to explore all of them. It strikes me odd that you are so emotionally against this information being posted all in one place. It's the exact same thing that you do with your ae911 posts and I've even complemented you on your excellent formating before.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/438n1j/richard_ae911truth_gages_video_response_to_the/czgxb4t
It's okay to let other people talk about things man.
-3 Greg_Roberts_0985 2016-02-18
So, you didn't and can not prove me wrong, OK.
This is a false claim.
OP has dubious and war mongering bias that try and frame a whole nation for the false flag that was 9?11
Take your own advice, it is as equal for me to criticize complete nonsensical idiotically.
As i said, prove me wrong, take on this basic challenge
4 Flytape 2016-02-18
You're combative because people are talking about 9-11 theories that aren't ae911.
Let's just be honest about that.
My advice would be, if you don't want to talk about theories that aren't ae911 theories then just stay over in /r/ae911truth
2 AssuredlyAThrowAway 2016-02-18
We're you expecting someone to have voiced a disagreement about the sticky?
-2 Greg_Roberts_0985 2016-02-18
All rational thinking people, yes.
Blaming a foreign nation for 9/11 is absurd
7 AssuredlyAThrowAway 2016-02-18
Well, implicating a foreign nation as a conspirator in a larger plot involving elements of the Project For a New American Century (PNAC) seems to be a more than worthy component of the investigation....
9 IntellisaurDinoAlien 2016-02-18
Surely Globalism doesn't exist and all conspiracies are entirely compartmentalized and can only exist within one nation at a time? Surely?
2 JamesColesPardon 2016-02-18
I voted yes.
What say you, Greg?
6 IntellisaurDinoAlien 2016-02-18
The Saudis deny any role in 9/11, but the CIA in one memo reportedly found “incontrovertible evidence” that Saudi government officials — not just wealthy Saudi hardliners, but high-level diplomats and intelligence officers employed by the kingdom — helped the hijackers both financially and logistically
Maybe they should have told us a little more detail about that like this Consulate Chief of the visa section at the U.S. Embassy in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia did.
Excellent post OP.
6 DronePuppet 2016-02-18
Here is Michael Springmann in a later video discussing how the CIA was directly involved in letting known terrorists into the United States.
U.S. Consulate Whistleblower on 9/11 Visa's
2 IntellisaurDinoAlien 2016-02-18
That's a much better quality video, good find.
0 thing_on_a_string 2016-02-18
the Saudis finance AlQ, Taliban, ISIS,ISIL, Bosnians in the 90s, muslim terrorists in Africa.
this is what they did and do, 9/11 was likely not their operation. its too murderous and the fallout is horrendous.
6 LukeMeDuke 2016-02-18
5 -SPIRITUAL-GANGSTER- 2016-02-18
Okay, that's all well and good, but Osama Bin Laden had no part in 9/11. If he wasn't already dead from kidney failure on 9/11, he was certainly dead by the end of 2001. He was used as a pawn precisely because he was terminally ill. Any version of 9/11 involving OBL is a complete fabrication, a fairy tale. It's a testament to the power of propaganda that even this community, the conspiracy community, a group of people who are dedicated to exposing the 9/11 fraud, continue to perpetuate and disseminate the most basic of disinformation. Again, I say, Osama Bin Laden had no involvement in 9/11. Any attempt to 'expose' 9/11 perpetrators by connecting them to OBL, even if well-intentioned (as in, not deliberate disinformation), is automatically wrong as it's based on a false premise.
4 ragecry 2016-02-18
I'm giving you an upvote, but I hope you can explain further.
1 unruly_mattress 2016-02-18
How do you know
4 -SPIRITUAL-GANGSTER- 2016-02-18
Do you believe in Santa Claus?
1 wwxxyyzz 2016-02-18
Can you explain further?
6 democracystrikesback 2016-02-18
https://youtu.be/zB9_EgiylOk
6 clarebear6 2016-02-18
Very obvious disinformation
0 liverpoolwin 2016-02-18
Phew, was worried for a minute seeing it stickied there that everyone was going to fall for it
6 Amanda_xX 2016-02-18
Disinformation, why is this a sticky??
3 liverpoolwin 2016-02-18
I call for an investigation into who wanted it stickied
6 rockytimber 2016-02-18
Osama, guys like Atta, and their backers were all used, part of the psy ops.
Most of the people in CIA etc. don't even realize how they were used. That's how psy ops work. Compartmentalized. For the big picture, read Kevin Ryan, Another Nineteen: Investigating Legitimate 9/11 Suspects. http://www.amazon.com/Another-Nineteen-Investigating-Legitimate-Suspects/dp/1489507833
6 DoctorXX 2016-02-18
Thanks for this post.
Some of you are going off the rails around here.
/u/ShellOilNigeria isn't telling you what to think. He is supplying information and letting you decide to either add it to your own research, analyse it, or form your own decisions.
Saudi Arabia has no motives for this
Why wouldn't they? They could have simply worked with the US to carry out the attack to further intervention in the Middle East. Isn't it strange that the US decided to swallow the sword and classify a lot of the ties they had to event? Isn't it interesting that they let them just get up and leave and didn't pursue anything further.
I'm not claiming anything that I said above to be fact. Neither should any of you with theories here about Israel. So can we please stop bashing OP for actually contributing to the community rather than declaring this is a shit post?
I appreciate the sticky /u/Flytape. If that Hitler doc can get one, this post sure as hell deserves one.
5 Quantumhead 2016-02-18
Great post. Many thanks OP.
4 Greg_Roberts_0985 2016-02-18
It is propaganda, as far as i can work out.
14 Putin_loves_cats 2016-02-18
Do explain how it's propaganda...
7 Greg_Roberts_0985 2016-02-18
Implicating another foreign nation for acts that could ONLY be carried out by the hosts (attacked) nation
14 IanPhlegming 2016-02-18
If the 9/11 crime is going to be broken open for the American people, Saudi Arabia's involvement is where it should start. People are ready to believe that.
Once we start genuinely peeling the onion, all the rest will probably come out, or at least more. The Saudis ain't going down alone.
4 MarioKart-Ultra 2016-02-18
I want to agree with you, but I just can't. People are dumb. They'll believe whatever the hell "the tube" tells them to believe. Donald Trump brings up "Dancing Muslims" on 9/11 and not one person stretches the debate to "Dancing Israelis", rather they argue over the validity of the "Dancing Muslims" comment.
I just fear that we'll reach that tipping point - the point where 9/11 Truth is about to break into the mainstream - and Congress will declassify the "28 Redacted Pages" showing it to be a Saudi operation. People will eat that up and look no further. As Bob Kerrey famously said, "9/11 was a 30-year conspiracy". "The 28 Pages" are a part of this, the gatekeeper for when that tipping point is reached.
This word doc puts it perfectly:
ADD: Again I think this is an excellent post, but comes off as misleading to someone who may be visiting the page for the first time. If we're going to sticky this, why don't we, together as a sub, construct a "Draft of Israeli Involvement with 911", etc.
2 IanPhlegming 2016-02-18
Not sure the Saudis are going to take the fall solo. They must have info they can also release to keep the onion peeling. THAT'S what's keeping the 28 pages sealed, IMHO...not so much the Red Herriing.
Though Bob Graham does sometimes seem to me to be a big disinfo guy for the MIC. But why would he even start the conversation? Without Graham, the 28 pages would be pretty much off the mainstream radar -- he's a guy they can't ignore.
2 MarioKart-Ultra 2016-02-18
As I stated, my theory is that we the people are reaching the tipping point where "9/11 Truth" is seeping into the mainstream. To counter this, the 28 Pages limited hangout is being pushed in the mainstream.
You make a good point though, why would the Saudi's just accept this? It's hard to say, I just know that it's all one massive mindfuck!
10 Putin_loves_cats 2016-02-18
CIA/Mossad/Saudi Arabia. This post is laying out the Saudi Connection. From reading your other comments, you seem oddly combative. May I ask why?
7 911bodysnatchers322 2016-02-18
They are confused. They are thinking this is a distraction from the inside job theory, but it's not. It's both Israel and Saudi intelligence as outsourced contractors on order of CIA cryptofascist gnostic globalist subverts Bush/Cheney/Rummy, working through freemasonic network and related secret societites in the ruling class.
This network has so much power they can continue the lie of 9/11 even though 50% or more of people in the world know it was an unpunished crime by these people. They have so much power that a loser like Hillary Clinton is not in jail and is still yapping around her tired hawkish statusquotarianism no one wants.
2 thing_on_a_string 2016-02-18
what happens when the US public finds out that Saudi planned and/or financed 9/11, mass attacks on their citizens in the US, not to mention anybody who vaguely look Saudi.
it beggars belief that any small/middling country would do 9/11, Israel prob would even balk at it for fear of future consequences.
the USS Liberty was done during one of their wars, a small window of error and deniability, no matter how stupid they could claim error at the time.
Silverstein and the domestic US zionists are a different kettle of fish, they have protection by the system, they own the system ie govt and MSM.
9/11 was done in cold daylight with no excuses or get out clauses. the perps knew 100% they would get away with it.
1 TouchMeHerePls 2016-02-18
Correct.
9 911bodysnatchers322 2016-02-18
There's this thing called secret societies that doesn't recognize countries.
2 ENYAY7 2016-02-18
agreed, but the supposed agents/people that took over the plane were in fact Saudis. The FBI even hosted a few of them in a CA hotel. The people that trained to fly were Saudis. They may have just been patsies
2 Greg_Roberts_0985 2016-02-18
OR
The story was made up?
9 765vb78v8 2016-02-18
no shit, remote control way easier, the risk involved in getting half trained talibans from the remote moutains of afghanistan to crash two planes in the heart of NY is just absurdly high, whereas remote control planes, a backstory and a couple invincible passports bring that risk close to zero
2 ENYAY7 2016-02-18
I guess, I do believe the planes were remote controlled to fly into the buildings, like a drone, but I also believe people were on board the planes.
2 765vb78v8 2016-02-18
he makes an interesting point because with relations improving with Iran, the other regional power aka the enemy from the Saudi perspective, you have to wonder if the plan for the financial empire is to get rid of failing Saudi monarchy, and if that is the case, would they go as far as to put 9/11 on their back to get rid of the problem haha
1 ENYAY7 2016-02-18
will Saudi go that easily they dirty bombed their whole network gas lines
1 democracystrikesback 2016-02-18
saudi passports, saudi assumed identities and a saudi patsy != saudi
1 thing_on_a_string 2016-02-18
the 'hijackers' re known to have been using false identities. 'Atta' did that infamous interview with a US federal agricultural loan officer (they wanted a loan to buy a crop-duster aircraft for presumably anthrax spraying) , wild and threat/joke about slitting her throat. nothing happened to 'Atta' for this wild interview, not even a police or FBI interview/caution.
'Atta' &co have connections to landladies and nieces and anthrax victims. connections to federal training facilities.
the only proof of 'Atta' &co being involved with 9/11 is obviously planted (by FBI/govt) evidence.
9 IntellisaurDinoAlien 2016-02-18
Propaganda? It's a theory about a conspiracy. Here's another theory: Why is the /r/ae911truth subreddit private? What exactly do you have to hide if truth and exposure of misdeeds is the only concern? It really brings into question the whole ethics and leadership behind ae911truth if they are using a private subreddit as a means to control the flow of information they appear to have personally claimed Lordship over, without anyone actually asking them to. Paging r/LimitedHangouts, paging /u/George_Tenet. We may have a situation.
4 George_Tenet 2016-02-18
Waaaaaaa its private now???? since when wow
6 AssuredlyAThrowAway 2016-02-18
FYI there is overlap between their board of directors and multiple alternative news sites.
If you watch threads regarding 9/11 on /r/conspiracy you'll notice a small group of users will all come out of the woodwork and act very aggressive towards anyone who does not advance their narrative.
In particular, they engage in tmor-style harassment of AMA guests who are not in their circles or chose to focus their research on other topics.
As of late, however, we have been most concerned with rampant vote manipulation in regards to submissions/comments regarding 9/11 (in particular this very post, which received 14 downvotes in 45 minutes); and if there is a group organizing via private subreddits in order to use 9/11 as a limited hangout to advance their monetary interests, we will find out.
0 George_Tenet 2016-02-18
Do u like orangutan?
2 ragecry 2016-02-18
No need, I'm on it:
https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/46gbb5/foreknowledge_of_the_collapse_of_world_trade/d059m2b
https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/46ank4/trump_who_blew_up_the_world_trade_center/d03pc9n
4 MarioKart-Ultra 2016-02-18
My thoughts exactly. It's a solid post, no doubt about it, but Israel/CIA/Bush Admin/other internal players are as much to blame, if not more, for 9/11 than Saudi Arabia.
5 JamesColesPardon 2016-02-18
Whynotboth.jpg
0 911bodysnatchers322 2016-02-18
No, it's research.
-1 liverpoolwin 2016-02-18
+1 for you!
5 Orangutan 2016-02-18
PNAC and The Carlyle Group are more likely behind the events.
The Iron Triangle - The Carlyle Group Exposed
Another Nineteen: Investigating Legitimate 9/11 Suspects
5 rockytimber 2016-02-18
Ask the dancing Israelis what they think really happened.
5 TouchMeHerePls 2016-02-18
Exactly.
This post is meant to shine the light away from the real culprit and on to an easily controlled/directed pasty neighbor.
1 Startoverdarling 2016-02-18
Yep, pretty bummed at Russ Baker's responses to you in the other stickied thread by the way.. It's blatantly obvious who profited and continues to profit from 9/11, these information "reveals" are crap to distract
4 jimmy5times 2016-02-18
Disinformation post
0 liverpoolwin 2016-02-18
And why on Earth is it stickied, can someone investigate who's done this?
4 northamerimassgrave 2016-02-18
Bob Graham is a very dirty source for any quotes or facts about 9/11 or the "28 pages." Kevin Ryan's essay (linked) is fairly damning.
The unreported facts around the "Missing 28 Pages" suggest much staging: Graham/Goss had conflicts of interest in leading the Joint Committee because they were from Florida where the alleged hijackers trained; Cheney made it clear that he would participate only if Graham/Goss were in charge of the committee; Graham/Goss obstructed witnesses, withheld information, and manipulated events surrounding the Inquiry & its relations with the FBI.
Graham's & Goss' involvement with 9/11 runs much deeper. At minimum, their conflict-of-interest is so huge that they cannot be counted as trusted sources for any information.
How much of the 28 pages is a designated failsafe; not merely a limited hangout (since it reportedly points fingers at Saudi Arabia, but not Pakistan or UAE or many other states) but a trap? Could the 28 pages be used as a honeypot to jump-start & control an HSCA-style "re-investigation" into 9/11 not only as a "centerpiece misdirect" but as a momentum-killer for other spectacular leads? Why wouldn't we anticipate that HSCA would be on the minds of "inside job" participants as an example to be learned from, as well as possibly an opportunity, in controlling a seemingly-inevitable "opposition party" re-investigation?
2 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
I actually have Kevin Ryan's book "Another Nineteen," it is fairly hard to read due to it jumping around so much but I would recommend it to everyone.
While I agree that not everything surrounding Graham is ideal, he did read the 28 redacted pages and has stated that a cover-up had been attempted by the White House.
Because he read the pages, I believe him to be a credible source. It's certainly much more information that either of us have access to reading.
I also agree with you that Pakistan was involved with the operation and I thought about including the general and the $100,000 wire transfer as well as Saeed Sheik who kidnapped Daniel Pearl who himself let Zacarias Moussaoui order tickets from him laptop in Oklahoma.
But I decided to keep to focus on the Saudi for this post. There are just too many angles, situations, and circumstances to have an entire overview.
That's where History Commons becomes a great source.
Thanks for your input, I appreciate the discussion.
4 northamerimassgrave 2016-02-18
Graham didn't "read" the pages, he oversaw & controlled their production. He was head of the Joint Committee.
We need to take Graham's background into account, since there are Red Flags everywhere:
http://digwithin.net/2015/05/12/bob-graham/
From the start, even the Saudis were calling for the 28 pages to be released.
The 28 pages is misdirection. Look at Bob Graham's background. Look at the Saudis call for the 28 pages to be released.
Could it be, just maybe, that Graham's effort isn't what it seems?
-3 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
Both Graham and Richard Shelby have said that there is no reason for the pages to be censored. How could they take that stance without reading them? He admits here that he has not only read the redacted pages but that he was part of the group who wrote the 28 pages - https://youtu.be/4Dr7d_s7LLE?t=54
The reasoning for the Saudi's calling for declassification is because they know full well that it is not going to happen. They are just saving face and calling for declassification because it looks great for them to do so on the international stage. Again, they know that it isn't going to happen.
4 Cats_Love_Me_ 2016-02-18
This is a shitpost, pure and simple,
It is pure disinformation garbage, with quotes copy pasted from dubious sources.
There is no motive for Saudi Arabia to attack the USA, the country is very wealth due to the us petrodollar arrangement and pumps billions into our economy.
Even if you accept the claim that Saudi Arabia was behind 9-11, then it means the US Government was lying when they claimed Afghanistan and then Iraq were behind it, you know, them wars that killed millions of innocent people and so should be an uprising regardless.
4 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
Welcome to the Pentagon Military Analyst Program
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_military_analyst_program
Here is Bush being interviewed about it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sITmVizv6X4&feature=youtu.be
Here is an article about it -
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Pentagon_military_analyst_program
Here is the Pulitzer Prize winning article about it -
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/us/20generals.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
You can view the files/transcripts here - https://wayback.archive-it.org/all/*/http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/milanalysts/
Here is a snippet speaking about detainee treatment at Gitmo :
Which we now know, was completely false.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/12/09/world/cia-torture-report-key-points.html?_r=0
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/dec/09/cia-torture-methods-waterboarding-sleep-deprivation
Another link, for fun -
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/09/AR2006040900890_pf.html
2 ragecry 2016-02-18
I don't even need to read the rest. That is some heavy handed propaganda and I had a feeling this was going on. What is an ex-DARPA/DOD scientist doing on reddit 17 days ago hosting an AMA about Zika virus? These ex military guys are shills and propaganda for the US government?
3 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
It definitely was heavy propaganda, they had to sell the invasion of Iraq to the U.S. public.
And then I get a few downvotes for providing sources of the U.S. government lying about Iraq.
Okay.
3 ragecry 2016-02-18
It seems the user you replied to spends a lot of time in /r/911Truth and calling everything disinfo and knowing for sure it was controlled demolition along with thermite.
Decent theories and good intentions aside, progress and discussion cannot continue when people's minds are set on one idea and closed off from the rest. I've blessed him with a downvote.
3 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
That seems like an on going theme in this thread.
Absolutely, that was the point of my entire post, let's a have a discussion about Saudi Arabia and all learn more about what happened. Unfortunately, I don't think 90% of the people here, care.
2 SkeptiConspiracist1 2016-02-18
To me, that's the REAL conspiracy here. I genuinely don't think the American government staged or even knew in advance (to any meaningful degree - you can certainly argue they should have known) about 9/11. But they exploited the heck out of it, for a whole slab of unrelated causes, resulting in the deaths of far more American citizens than 9/11, and costing us trillions of dollars.
Quite why that isn't the focus of the 9/11 Truth movement escapes me.
3 Orangutan 2016-02-18
"There are, of course, many more incredible facts about 9/11 that continue to be ignored by authorities and much of the media."
The Facts Speak For Themselves
Fourteen Incredible Facts About 9/11
7 Facts About Building 7
3 hazehk 2016-02-18
Also why does this sort of disinfo make it to the top?
1 liverpoolwin 2016-02-18
We need answers, who wanted it there?
0 welder621 2016-02-18
It will be Flytape and AATA, these two actively try to discredit this sub time and time again
2 AssuredlyAThrowAway 2016-02-18
7 mods voted in favor, none voted against.
We won't be bullied by ae911truth; regardless of how many alternative news sites they run via their board of directors.
3 TouchMeHerePls 2016-02-18
The Saudis were used as patsies by Israel who orchestrated 911:
https://ehpg.wordpress.com/israel-did-911/
3 orrery 2016-02-18
The buildings were brought down via controlled demolition by Larry Silverstein and his collaborators in the CIA / Mossad. The 28 pages are nothing more than a re-direction. The Saudi hijackers are a myth, the planes were very possibly switched out by military drone aircraft. Execute all traitors - destroy Israel.
-1 TouchMeHerePls 2016-02-18
Amen!
3 know_comment 2016-02-18
Don't forget that Khalid Bin Mahfouz was Director and 20% owner in the Bank of Credit and Commerce International.
3 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
Great point, BCCI is worthy of a completely separate post all together.
2 Greg_Roberts_0985 2016-02-18
This is nonsensical in the extreme.
Trying to frame Saudi Arabia, a desert country encompassing most of the Arabian Peninsula, Known as the birthplace of Islam makes about as much sense as the United States Government 9/11 conspiracy theory and the boogieman, Osama Bin Laden.
OPs sources allude to unknown facts and completly ignore the very and absolute fact that ONLY the US government had the means, motive and opportunity.
Why is this garbage stickied?
3 Flytape 2016-02-18
Is there a single 9-11 conspiracy theory out there that doesn't allude to "unknown facts" including the official govt version as well as AE911's version?
1 Greg_Roberts_0985 2016-02-18
What are the "unknown facts" in your opinion?
The "unknown facts" in the Commission Report and the US 9/11 government conspiracy theory, have caused the loss of millions of human lives across the planet and completely fucked over the average American, in every which way.
0 Flytape 2016-02-18
In which theory?
-2 Greg_Roberts_0985 2016-02-18
Choose one, it does not matter to me.
I subscribe to the theory that all three buildings on 9/11 were part of a controlled demolition, i can prove that.
Present any conspiracy theory you like (especially the US government conspiracy theory) i am happy to talk about all of them.
8 911bodysnatchers322 2016-02-18
Greg roberts I agree with you on the demolition theory. Why does it have to be one or the other? Why does Saudi involvement preclude demolition?
I think it was both Israel and Saudis working together in different parts of an orchestrated effort, carried out on behalf of the Bush administration. The saudis worked the planes and Israel took down the buildings. a 1-2 punch
3 Flytape 2016-02-18
I don't see anything in OPs post that makes a claim that controlled demolition didn't happen. It's simply showing the ties that the Saudis had to certain players in this event. Namely the accused hijackers, Osama as well as the bushes.
-3 LukeMeDuke 2016-02-18
Looks like a user is doing the "Hillary" by playing dumb.
Works for her!
4 911bodysnatchers322 2016-02-18
Wait? What? I don't understand. They aren't playing dumb. I was thinking the same thing.
It's obvious those buildings were brought down in a controlled demolition. Either by thermite or a tactical nuclear weapon. THere was a ton of energy put into those buildings to take it down. It had to come from somehwere and that somewhere was not a plane!
-5 Greg_Roberts_0985 2016-02-18
OK? What?
Why have you deviated from the question?
What are the "unknown facts" from any "theory's you choose?
2 Horus_Krishna_2 2016-02-18
why did you bold that very odd
2 democracystrikesback 2016-02-18
we have some mods that shouldn't be mods
1 whipnil 2016-02-18
Wahhabis are Jewish
Judaism was infiltrated by the Khazarian mafia many years ago and have co opted the other two Abrahamic religions since. This sect that controls them all is the Synagogue of Satan. Talmudic Jews who practice Babylonian black magic.
The deception goes many levels deep, and to claim you've figured it out when you got to thermite is either ignorant as fuck or intentionally misleading.
3 TouchMeHerePls 2016-02-18
This guy. He gets it.
1 Horus_Krishna_2 2016-02-18
they control all of them, jesus was a jew, duh
0 whipnil 2016-02-18
Jesus was a Yogi.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/46glu5/jesuss_original_teachings_was_that_of_the/
1 Horus_Krishna_2 2016-02-18
well I don't think he existed but based on the stories anyway in the bible he was jewish, that's all I meant there
-3 Greg_Roberts_0985 2016-02-18
I am a Jew
-2 whipnil 2016-02-18
No surprises there.
2 Orangutan 2016-02-18
9/11 Conspiracy Solved: Names, Connections, & Details Exposed!
Who Was Really Behind the 9/11 Attacks?
9/11: A Conspiracy Theory
9/11: Press For Truth
2 Metacancer_Hunter 2016-02-18
You can tell this post is disinformation, even the people who post to conspiratard and topmidsofreddit either agree with it or don't have a problem with it.
0 liverpoolwin 2016-02-18
I'm stunned to see it stickied to the top on /conspiracy
2 rockytimber 2016-02-18
Its pretty obvious that the accused hijackers and Osama were part of the psy op, and that the actual events of 9/11 were not performed by the hijackers or Osama, or any planning of Osama.
What is good about this post is that it exposes people who are confused, and it also brings together people who have started to work out what really happened.
Look at the comments of people here like u/Orangutan, u/sheasie, u/Greg_Roberts_0985 for links to the real clues.
On the other hand, if you added in the US Consulate (in Saudi) visa process (in support of the psy op) and ties to Israel, there is some good reference material here, which helps to fill out the psy op. There were Saudi players that were on board with the US invasion of Iraq, etc. In fact, in Syria this trajectory continues to unfold.
2 denmaradi 2016-02-18
Please show us the great footage where "hijackers" boarded the plane that hit the towers and also give scientific explanation for the take down of WTC 7. Until that happens I am gonna stick with "CIA-Mossad did 9/11".
2 TouchMeHerePls 2016-02-18
The Saudis were patsies.
Israel did it with US government help.
https://youtu.be/zB9_EgiylOk
Credit: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3f7jry/til_zionist_neocons_richard_perle_douglas_feith/
-2 sudo-tleilaxu 2016-02-18
I think the polite thing to do would be to attribute my original post and link to this video in my post below. Since it is clear you are posting the same video I did earlier in the thread and the same video I posted in this sub months ago.
When someone else has a 'find' I always credit them if they are the ones who originally presented the information into the sub, It's just good form.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3f7jry/til_zionist_neocons_richard_perle_douglas_feith/
2 TouchMeHerePls 2016-02-18
Agreed and happy to do so.
Thanks for the excellent link.
2 welder621 2016-02-18
Blaming a foreign country for crimes committed is a classic disinformation tactic.
2 gavypavl 2016-02-18
Misinformation/disinformation, take your pick, this post is garbage
1 F_U_C_K_Israel 2016-02-18
Disinfo
2 AssuredlyAThrowAway 2016-02-18
5-6 comments, all saying disinfo, all posted at the same time 2 hours ago?
Hmmm....
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/46glp9/draft_of_saudi_involvement_with_911/d05s7r2
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/46glp9/draft_of_saudi_involvement_with_911/d05s9gv
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/46glp9/draft_of_saudi_involvement_with_911/d05qz72
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/46glp9/draft_of_saudi_involvement_with_911/d05sca6
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/46glp9/draft_of_saudi_involvement_with_911/d05s6ls
3 democracystrikesback 2016-02-18
a 2hour span on a weekend is "the same time" ?
1 _TheDreamer_ 2016-02-18
Well done! The idea is not bad.
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1 your-nuts-sir 2016-02-18
Study Islamic Eschatology and you will understand that the fall of the Arabs (of Saudi Arabia) is planned by the Zionists cabal of Jews and Christians (not by the Torah Jews and Orthodox Byzantine Christians).
So the timing of this, Donald Trump ready to publicly announce that 911 was done by the Saudis.
Who the fuck is ShellOilNigeria?
I was asked to post this. By who?
Why is this stickied?
Goyim need to wake the fuck up already.
1 KnightBeforeTomorrow 2016-02-18
Who did 9/11? http://www.whodidit.org/cocon.html
1 hawksaber 2016-02-18
I hope everyone will also not forget to focus on the involvement of Mossad and the Zionist agenda.
1 toneii 2016-02-18
We all knew. We were just still playing "kiss their ass and buy their gas".
1 Startoverdarling 2016-02-18
this is STILL a stickied post??
1 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
Problem?
0 ridestraight 2016-02-18
Excellent work!
Sticky this!
0 Apoplecticmiscreant 2016-02-18
This is a disinformation post! The mods stickied this almost instantly. It's a disgrace. It also looked like a cordinated thing.
2 TouchMeHerePls 2016-02-18
Agreed. Quite sad.
It was Israel and everyone with a clue knows it.
-1 democracystrikesback 2016-02-18
disinfo/misdirection/patsy post
who allowed it to happen? who covered it up? who refused to investigate it? cui bono?
4 TouchMeHerePls 2016-02-18
Israel. It's obvious. No one else benefits more. The fuckers.
-2 SkeptiConspiracist1 2016-02-18
Well done. This seems very compelling.
-3 Flytape 2016-02-18
I have by no means had time to read all this, as of yet. But you are a scholar and a gentleman.
Excellent post.
0 TouchMeHerePls 2016-02-18
The Saudis were patsies.
https://youtu.be/zB9_EgiylOk
Credit: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3f7jry/til_zionist_neocons_richard_perle_douglas_feith/
5 JamesColesPardon 2016-02-18
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1 flyyyyyyyyy 2016-02-18
no, the west-friendly saudi king died a year ago. and there's been a power struggle among the many sons ever since.
i'm hearing rumors of them getting friendly with russia. if that's true, then they're due for a healthy dose of democracy. and this would be the perfect setup.
2 ShellOilNigeria 2016-02-18
We are still extremely friendly to each other.
http://www.economist.com/news/middle-east-and-africa/21663549-iran-deal-now-secure-old-allies-are-trying-repair-strained-relationship-king-salman
I also wouldn't think it would be wise to sell arms ($1.2 Billion worth) to them either if we were planning on invading.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi-usa-arms-idUSKCN0T51NC20151116
2 AssuredlyAThrowAway 2016-02-18
7 mods voted in favor, none voted against.
We won't be bullied by ae911truth; regardless of how many alternative news sites they run via their board of directors.
1 RPmatrix 2016-02-18
ok, idk you or your posting BUT I must ask 'why you want to blame the Saudi's for 911?' when IMO the obvious US complicity is sufficient to explain 'how' it happened ... ?
why bother? If there were ANY Saudi involvement it would be under US 'guidance', so it's a moot point
why don't you discuss how the Bin Laden family and friends were flown out of the US in the next day when ALL flights had been grounded? i find that far more damning
0 RPmatrix 2016-02-18
can you tell me in 100 words or so, tell me how and why they "obviously" did??