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Or the majority of people on Reddit, and in America think Socialism is a terrible idea, and therfore are anti-Sanders.

clearly it's terrible, Canada is obviously a dystopian nightmare...

And what about El Salvador, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Honduras, Panama, Cuba, Zimbabwe, China, and North Korea? These are all shining examples of what socialism and communism can do?

Why are the people of these countries desperate to leave, and come to America if socialism is so great?

well those are Communist countries first of all.

second nearly every one of those countries had problems due to US backed sanctions destroying their economies.

socialism and communism are not the same thing, and equating them show how ignorant you are.

No actually only China, Cuba, and North Korea are communist country's. The rest are socialist country's, and the majority of which, besides Zimbabwe, have zero US sanctions placed on them.

oh you mean the south american countries in which the US over threw their governments and helped set up death squads.

There are countries with capitalism with people in worse conditions.

Yet they like Medicare and Social Security for grandma, unemployment and disability for their relatives and themselves, roads that are well paved to drive their safety regulation compliant cars on, clean air to breathe, clean water to drink, fire department on call, police to keep them safe, a strong military to keep them safe, etc. They are morons that don't know what socialism is.

It is the opposite of capitalism, fine. OOOHHH Spooky! Capitalism is privately owned delivery of goods and/or services. It needs to be profitable, or else it fails, incentivizing efficient operation. Then the owners of these organizations can use their profits to invest in creating more and new goods and/or services. It's a great system, but imperfect. By its nature it leads toward economic inequality. We don't use it for everything, because some things we want don't work very well or at all if we rely on profit seeking individuals to do them.

Socialism is when we have government deliver goods and/or services. They don't have the profit motive to keep them in balance. They take in tax revenue and/or fees and spend it on the goods and/or services. This can result in inefficient systems. So we avoid using this means for most things we want and need. Yet, we don't want our police and military to be privately owned mercenaries, because then they become the henchmen of local rich people. We don't want our fire protection services to be privately owned, or many people won't be offered the service, due to an inability to pay for the service or insurance, and then other people's houses would burn down. We don't want to be stopped on every stretch of road and asked to pay tolls for using them. We don't want elderly people to go without health care and housing. We don't want factory owners to decide which chemicals they can dispose of in the air or water, because it's profitable to poison the environment.

We have been sold that socialism is our enemy, with authoritarian undertones, because what we really fear is authoritarianism. Rampant socialism is unacceptable to people, so they resist it, and then governments crack down on them, authoritarianism. Of course, we don't want that, authoritarian behavior. Democracy is the opposite of authoritarianism, and tolerance of dissent and discussion of opposing viewpoints keeps this ridiculous scenario in check. There is a good reason to worry about out of control government that does not have the consent of the governed, but this fear of socialism is used as a tool.

The group that benefits the most from capitalist arrangements and the least from socialist ones is the rich, the class that owns organizations of production of goods and/or services. They fear socialism eating into their profits, increasing their taxes, or at worst, confiscating their organizations. They don't value protecting the comparatively economically weak with regulations and public services, because they can easily move away from pollution and buy all of the comparatively better services they want with their money. Some of them even imagine that everyone could do this if they just worked harder.

So, they have used examples of out of control authoritarian socialist countries to create a fear of all things socialist. This helps them keep us from uniting to demand universal health care and affordable higher education. This keeps taxes on the rich low and education of the proletariat working class low. Educated people can articulate the details and demands of their class' economic self-interests, the working class. The rich want a working class people to support low taxes on the rich, low regulations, and minimal government activity, for maximum profits for themselves. This is, was and perhaps always will be the case. It's just a conflict of economic self-interests between owners and workers. We see this conflict of economic self-interests play out between the left and the right in pretty much every country. Due to being fewer in number, the rich rely on deception to achieve policies that favor them in democracies. In authoritarian capitalist countries, they just attack political activists using the government, just like the authoritarian socialists did in the countries we were sold are prime examples of socialism.

European countries are the best examples of democratic socialism to date. They are not authoritarian hell holes. They have higher taxes and higher government services. Getting medical care doesn't bankrupt them, but they also have less stuff than people in the USA do. There are trade offs. Being able to buy a bunch of LCD TV screens does not replace the need for surgery or the benefits of education.

You seem to be forgetting the situation we've found ourselves in today, and that is the corporations have all but taken over government themselves.

They are using government to enact regulations against their competition that drives them out of business, while they can absorb the regulations.

If government was actually run by the people, for the people, then socialism may work.

What Bernie is advocating though, is to give an already completely corrupted federal government that has been hijacked by special interests, more money, and more power like this will somehow magically fix things.

This is why socialism is dream and doesn't work, because you always have the mega corporations suckling on the government's tit, like we have today.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely, every time. The answer is certainly NOT to give the centralized federal government more power or more money.

On a local level, I can see how that may work.

While there is truth in your post, you oversimplify things.
Not all regulations are intended to or function to form monopolies. Some do and they should be changed. Regulations against municipal broadband come to mind, but there are others.

Limited democratic socialism works, right now, in Europe. It's not pie in the sky.

Bernie Sanders is giving the government more money to benefit corrupt special interests by cutting insurance companies out of the market through Medicare for All? He's benefiting special interests by offering affordable college? Which corrupt special interest groups pouring money into DC campaigns gain from these things? The teacher's unions? Please. This stuff isn't magical, it's stuff that European countries and others have been doing for decades. We're richer than them, why can't we do it? Here's why..

The answer is to stop thinking in absolutes and start thinking about self-interests. Everyone has self-interests. Owners and workers have competing self-interests. Workers want higher wages, better benefits, social safety nets, good environmental and safety regulations for consumers customers, workers and residents. Owners want higher profits which are increased by lower wages, poorer benefits, lower taxes through reduced social safety net programs, and more lax environmental and safety regulations for customers, workers and residents. Some would say that rich people want a clean environment too, and they do, but they can just pollute the environment around their businesses and live in environments that are still clean.

On any level, these self-interests compete, local, state and federal. We have to be aware of our self-interests as well as those of our employers and balance them to have the most efficient economy at raising everyone's quality of life. As of now there is plenty of effective propaganda protecting the self-interests of owners affecting the American perspective. We support policies that benefit them as a result while others around the world shake their heads in disbelief. How could they be so stupid, they think. This is why. The best example of this is the advertising blitz that occurs whenever we consider universal health care. It scares people that there will be long waiting periods, poorer care and fewer choices and it works every time on enough people to derail such efforts.

Bernie Sanders is giving the government more money to benefit corrupt special interests by cutting insurance companies out of the market through Medicare for All?

The idea of a government run single payer system is a TERRIBLE idea, which will drastically cut the quality of health care. Perfect example of this is Canada. There continues to be record numbers of Canadians who travel abroad to be treated. In 2014, there were 53,000 Canadians who traveled abroad to receive treatment. If socialized medicine was really such a great thing and worked, there'd be no reason for these people to travel abroad to receive treatment.

A survey conducted by The Health Council of Canada in 2011 found that only 40% of of the 3,000 patients surveyed were either satisfied, or very satisfied with the care they received.

The quality of care (or lack thereof) in socialized medicine isn't limited to Canada either. A report released in October by Britain’s health regulator found that a stunning 20 percent of hospitals were failing to provide the minimum standard of care legally required for elderly patients.

As part of the study, inspectors dropped by dozens of hospitals unannounced. They found patients shouting or banging on bedrails desperately trying to get the attention of a nurse. At one hospital, inspectors identified bed-ridden patients that hadn’t been given water for over 10 hours.

Think about how the Obama administration has weaponized the IRS and gone after his political enemies, I don't think it's such a stretch to think that government run Healthcare could be used in the same manner at some point.

If the government takes over Healthcare completely, and doctors essentially become government workers who are a paid exactly the same, which will be significantly lower then their current salaries, the quality (and likely the quantity) of doctors will drastically decrease.

If you want to know how socialized medicine will ultimately end, you don't need to look any further then Medicare, which is currently expected to be insolvent by the year 2030.

He's benefiting special interests by offering affordable college? Which corrupt special interest groups pouring money into DC campaigns gain from these things? The teacher's unions?

Yes. The teacher's unions are a significant lobby actually. If you give college free to everyone, you're going to have a massive increase in the number of teachers, and the teachers union, and their lobbyists will also increase significantly as well. There's no doubt that college currently as become so expensive, that many who want to go to college simply can't, and those who can, end up with crippling amounts of college debt. But WHY has college become so expensive though? This is what really angers me about Bernie Sanders's plan to make college "free" for everyone. Instead of actually addressing the reason why college has become so unaffordable, he simply wants to continue with the broken system and expand it further.

First off, there's no such thing as free college. It's still going to be just as expensive as it is today, and most likely even increase in cost. So instead of making college more affordable, he's simply going to make the working middle class pay for it instead.

But I digress. Do you know the what the main reason for college tuition skyrocketing even is? According to both the liberal New York Times as well as the conservative outlet Forbes the reason is the increase in federal government subsidies that have caused the problem to begin with! So again, Bernie's only solution is to exasperate the situation even more, by massively increasing federal subsidies!

Did you know that US colleges that don’t accept Federal loans have tuition roughly half of their similarly-ranked peers? In fact some schools have stated they will refuse Federal aid in order to keep costs low.

Just another example of Bernie feeding the beast more, expanding and growing an already broken system which you and I will now have to pay for and expecting different results, instead of addressing the root of the problem. The answer to healthcare, and college is to limit the role of government, not expand it. Look at Obamacare, as soon as the government got involved, the problems only intensified with many people (including me) having their premiums double. Look at the Obamacare website which cost tax payers over $2,000,000,000 and only recently began to fully work. Do you realize the type of website the private sector could build for 0.001% that? Almost everything the government puts their hands on ends up being worse then before. The only form of government which actually works is local and state governments, which Bernie wants to marginalize and hand their powers over to the feds.

The best example of this is the advertising blitz that occurs whenever we consider universal health care. It scares people that there will be long waiting periods, poorer care and fewer choices

That's not propaganda, that's absolute fact. Aside from the study by The Health Council of Canada which I mentioned above that shows a stunning 60% of respondents surveyed being either unsatisfied or very unsatisfied with the level of care they received, Britain's NHS is a disaster.

The United Kingdom is the latest to tighten its belt. The National Health Service (NHS) — the centralized public agency that runs Britain’s government healthcare system — is being forced to shave $31 billion from its budget by 2015

These cuts are leading to a precipitous drop in the quality of care patients receive. The NHS has been living well beyond its means for quite awhile. And now brutal government-enforced cost controls are exacting a heavy human toll.

In order to realize some savings, the NHS is raising the threshold at which patients qualify for treatment and lengthening wait times for surgeries determined “non-lifesaving.” The Service is also cutting more than 20,000 NHS jobs over the next two years and shuttering a number of hospitals.

Does that statistic actually discount those that happened to be abroad when they needed care or not? Assuming all care received abroad was sought to avoid relying on Canadian care would be misleading.

According to the CDC about 750,000 US residents travel abroad for care.

US population is 318.9 million

Life expectancy is 78.74 years ‎(2012)

Canada population is 35.16 million

Life expectancy is 81.24 years ‎(2012)

So, not only does Canada have a smaller percentage of the population going abroad for medical care, it has a higher life expectancy too.

From your article:

Canada had the second-worst overall ranking among the health care systems of 11 industrialized nations and ranked last in the wait-time category. Only the American health care system ranked worse overall.

With medical costs rising and the Medicare tax rate remaining static, of course it cannot fund the care for which it is mandated unless taxes are increased or medical costs decrease. Also as more people stay alive longer, there will be more elderly as a percentage of the population in the future. This is not an indictment against the Medicare system, but an expression of basic mathematics. Insurance rates are climbing too for the same reason.

As state funding (this is not the same channel of money as subsidies of tuition of individual students) of colleges and universities is reduced, tuition must be increased to cover costs. Where do you think the money goes? Increased salaries or quantities of administrators over time? Increased salaries or amounts of teachers over time? Unnecessary facilities? Profits? Even in not for profit ones? If we're not going to account for reductions in state funding of colleges and universities (again, not tuition subsidies for individual students) in our analysis of tuition increases, we're not being honest with ourselves. We would deceive ourselves.

According to the CDC about 750,000 US residents travel abroad for care.

But the difference is that Americans have to pay for Healthcare regardless, so this is likely people trying to save money and go elsewhere. Canadians receive FREE Healthcare in Canada and are actually going elsewhere and paying for it, rather then getting it for free.

Why would people need to bash him? Dude is a joke, delusional, and should probably retire while he reaps in government benefits. Comrade Bernie is a joke....

C'mon Putin give real reasons not adhoms

Mate, it's not ad homs, it's facts. Look into the man's history... He hasn't had a paycheck which wasn't funded by the taxpayers in 30+ years. Dude is a shmuck, and will live off the dime of the tax payers after he is out of office. C'mon....

Classic leftist tactic here, when you've lost the debate and everyone knows it, resort to personal attacks (or in this case downvotes) you're really making all Bernie Sanders supporters look bad FYI.

What debate? Nothing he said had any merit to a response. Are you really criticizing his income but your OK with hillaries? How insane is that, you literally prefer corruption

So you are encouraging a brigade? That breaks reddit's rules ;)

Don't be telling people how to vote please.

I want free stuff!!

ah yes the trump supporters...

I don't support Trump. I'm an anarchist. I don't support any politician, but you can assume shit... Hope I didn't trigger you ;)

so you just like to shit on all of them for no reason. go back to your commune then and stop constantly commenting on things you have no interest in

No one running is capable of getting the US through what's coming.

We are in uncharted global financial waters, and electing one of the people that got us there (and expecting them to be capable of moving us forward) is utterly ridiculous.

Dafuq you talking about? I have an interest in this country, because I'm a US citizen. Explain, snowflake.

You should vote for a linux computer as president if you are really for anarchy

just sayin'

I'm voting for my cock, or my dog. She would make a good president, not too sure about my cock, kind of random. lol.

well if your an anarchist who doesnt believe in government why are you bothering to comment on the politics of said government.

all you do is trash talk. why would any one want to listen

I find it fun, and hope my commentary resonates with others and sparks an interest in actually thinking, rather than believing..... Am I not allowed to??

I don't support Trump.

For someone who is trying to pass themselves off as "neutral", I do wonder why you would contribute over 20 comments on a single post all of which denigrate the same candidate. That's not exactly balanced.

I think you should be honest (with yourself) and admit you support Trump, or at the very least admit you are biased against Sanders.

Pathetic little troll ... unfriended, unloved, unrespected, but feeling like Sombody if he can get a reaction. Sad.

Self projecting? I feel sorry for you :(. I have land (~35+ acres) , a dog, friends, and a happy life. Sorry you do not.....

Your point? I don't and it's true. Women cannot be controlled as much as men can be....

I said, men can be controlled easier than women (which is true). Hillary (a woman) is a wild card. Add that she is a woman, and harder to control, I see nothing wrong with what I said. Do explain, how I'm wrong? She is a loose cannon and a woman to boot. Dude, you're just running on and on... You're pretty boring and this seems to be going no where. You an SJW?

You are literally chatting out of your arse. Women are less easily controlled than men? Link me any reputable evidence which proves this bullshit.

Dude, you obviously haven't paid attention to this sub, and this user long enough if you're trying to put /u/Putin_loves_cats in some little box as a Hillary supporter lol. The guy is one of the most apolitical people here when it comes to specific candidates. It seems you're intent on labeling him as something he's not based off one single comment. Go back and look through his comment history, and then apologize to him lol.

If you knew the guy, you wouldn't be making the assumptions you are. lol too funny.

So semantics out of context. Cool....

That's not damning, dude. I stick by my words. You can check my history. lol. Do you have a point? It's like the inquisition or some shit. Dude, you're not on a main sub. People know my views here, I don't hide anything....

Nope. Just a nobody hoping for a cheap reaction.

He is not a Zionist ass kisser.

Sorry, you seem to have put a ‘not’ in your post accidentally.

But he's not. Every indication is that Israel prefers Hillary or trump

There’s zero indication of that whatsoever. No one with an IQ greater than the legal retardation limit would come to that conclusion. No one paying any measure of attention whatsoever would come to that conclusion.

you are a fucking moron.

No one paying any measure of attention whatsoever would come to that conclusion.

You have to be paying absolutely no attention to anything to come to your conclusion, and just basing everything on his blood. There is absolutely no material (interviews, reports, votes, etc, ANYTHING) out there of any kind that makes sanders more of a zionist than any other human being in consideration for the presidency. Thats the fact. What the flying fuck are you basing your opinion on? Since im guessing you are just a racists, there has been jewish anti-zionist from the start.

basing everything on his blood.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Actions, not blood.

Thats the fact.

Okeedoke. Whatever you want to believe.

say something, dont imply.

Did. You’re ignoring it. That’s your problem, not mine.

No, like actually give me some examples. Please. I know exactly why I believe what I believe, its not just presumption. Give me some evidence.

I know exactly why I believe what I believe

So do I: because you’re suffering from a mental illness induced either by parasite or indoctrination.

What?? Your either a shill or a really depressing person

Liberalism is a mental illness and self-defeating ideology. It can only be indoctrinated or chemically forced upon someone.

but if he has Jewish blood in him, it autmagically means he's in on the fix and is inherently corrupt. /s

The reality is that this "you're more special than other humans, so join our club of co-conspirators to render the stupid humans our slaves" way of life is not universally appealing. The life and message of Bernie Sanders is an expression of the antithesis of this way of life.

Despite the vocal minority, the majority do not want a communist in the US?

wouldn't Hil-bots make more sense?

We also don't want a murderer.

We don't want Socialism or Communism. How is that so hard to believe? It's a flawed mentality that college kids and teenagers buy into. It doesn't work, in the reality! May seem fucking brilliant on paper, but it doesn't work...Fucking hell....

I don't see why we should be triggering anticommunists like you Putin when we say that we want socialized medicine. Do you dislike social security? I don't. I like the idea of taking care of old people when they can no longer work and those who lose their hands in machinery, even though since they made minimum wage it was impossible for them to store up a rainy day fund on their own. I know that people will not save up properly for retirement and I like the idea of paying some taxes to take care of their stupidity.

I do NOT like paying for war in any way. I also don't like paying for lies or police or colonialism, or for mass weaponry or mass surveillance. I'd love to opt out of that, because if I could, I could give so much more to old people and disabled people.

I think the only two social programs we really need are social security and social healthcare. I dont' see why it's so dirty to imagine a world with a safetynet to assuage the universality of human suffering. I'd gladly pay some taxes to make sure that you, Putin, are taken care of when you get cancer or arthitis or crohns...(you're going to get something let me assure you....statistics are not in your favor or mine...).

But as far as incentivizing laziness, I agree, that has to stop.

You see we already have a communist system in america--it's called the prison industrial complex. We have for profit prisons, and we have a drug war we run both sides of in order to incarcerate hippies and blacks so they can make money off them.

But when you take it apart it is: 1) a place to house them without them doing anything, 2) a place to feed them without them doing anything, 3) a place to take care of them medically, 4) some of them do a minimal amount of effort for no real gain.... Sound familiar? We already have communism. Its microcommunism-- that is the prison industrial complex and surprisingly--it does in fact work very well, Putin, so I don't know what you're talking about

I'm for freedom and voluntarism. Fuck force, and fuck the government. Self rule. I reject what you say, and reject the ideology. Come live where I live. We rely on each other and the relationships we sustain. Fuck the government, we can rule our selves and provide for ourselves... If I get cancer? Well, I'm gonna be taking CBD. If that don't cure me, I'm gonna die. Fine with that.. I don't need the government.

Let's just get real on what really matters here in america

People should be responsible for themselves. Once you start working, you should start saving for your future and retirement. No one is entitled to my money. People can donate voluntarily to aid people, but the government shouldn't force people to take care of the sick. There are plenty of generous people out there. GoFundMe is a prime example of people coming together voluntarily to help others. Social Security will fail and then what? I'm responsible enough to save my money for the future for that very reason. The idea of SS is good, but it will fail. The government has also taken money from SS, so there's that.

If you get injured how? By making a stupid decision which results in you getting injured? Absolutely not, that's your bad.

If you get injured because of someone else's stupidity, that's what the justice system is for, and there are MANY personal injury lawyers who will represent you for no upfront costs, who will fight to get you restitution if you deserve it.

It is not my responsibility to pay for someone else's stupidity, or bad luck.

It's better than forcing people to something against their will. Forcing people to do anything is batshit insane.

So why are you supporting Bernie, since that’s exactly what he fucking wants.

Yes, you mentioned that:

So if you get injured or wronged beyond your monetary means to deal with you should have to depend on the support of generous strangers to help you?

You also said what it was:

IMO that’s absolutely batshit insane.

So why are you supporting him?

Do you really think you're convincing anyone?

Universal health care, single payer government run health insurances, is old. European countries do it. Australia does it. Heck even Canada does it. You know what? People in those places DO NOT want our system.

They don't want the fear of destitution for getting sick. They don't want to pay hundreds per month on insane premiums on high deductible health insurance plans that only pay 60% when they kick in, after thousands of dollars out of pocket. Poor people can't even save enough for the deductibles and many just take the tax penalties instead, because they are so much cheaper based on their paltry incomes.

Universal health care levels the burden of collective access to health care across all incomes. People that make more money will pay more taxes. So everyone can use it without fear. People tend to like it. The nightmares of long waiting periods, poor care and poor choices spun by the rich that want to keep taxes lower and their health insurance stocks fall on deaf ears in places that already have universal health care. They work on us, because we're stupid and not very well exposed to what other countries are doing. Why? We think we're the best in all ways.

Do you really think you’re convincing anyone?

Marxist have deluded themselves into thinking they are; why can’t I ACTUALLY convince people with truth?

Universal health care, single payer government run health insurances, is old. European countries do it. Australia does it. Heck even Canada does it. You know what? People in those places DO NOT want our system.

What the fuck does this have to do with anything? It’s paid for by the US. End of story.

They don’t want the fear of destitution for getting sick.

K. And? That’s meaningless.

[nothing but complete nonsense that is irrelevant to the discussion]

When the US stops paying for your defense, all those retarded social programs will evaporate instantly. Get fucking used to it.

No one is entitled to my money. People can donate voluntarily to aid people, but the government shouldn't force people to take care of the sick.

EXACTLY! Well said, well said.

well yea to those of us that think.

but what brainwashed pleb wouldn't auto shill for bernie ya know?

especially with the free weed and legalized college..

Weed and goodies! I feel like a kid at an Easter egg party! Fuckin' children. Seriously, this nation is too far gone.

I’m 15 years old and marxism is cool

This is basically your argument.

Not really. The majority of us do not want what Bernie is spouting. Yeah, the small minority may.. But, for the most part, we don't. Do we really want to regress into the Soviet Union, as they are coming out of that hell hole? Seriously, people, think.... Plenty of examples.... What Bernie is saying could (possibly) work in the Nordics (debatable). But we are different, in so many ways. Population size and demographics. Also, we have had something they haven't...

You really ought to better know the definitions of terms like "communism" before using them.

You should learn the definition. Socialism is the step to Communism. Learn/read Marx.. Probably wont, because you probably watch cartoons and are enrolled in pop sci.

Some nations have been socialist in world history, while none have ever been communist (absence of "the state", money, etc), meaning Marx's theory that socialism naturally becomes communism has not one single example in world history to prove his point.

Like I said, please better understand your terms.

Communism is the ideal. Socialism is the vehicle to get there. Read Marx and please don't preach to me. Sanders wants communism, because his flawed mentality preaches it. It can never be achieved, yet he preaches socialism ( the step to it ). It's childish..... Read up, and get back to me...

The world has proven over, and over again that socialism is not a vehicle to communism. You are welcome to keep quoting Marx all you want, but it doesn't change reality or history.

And far more importantly, Marxian socialism involves nationalization of all private industry. This is nowhere in Sanders' platform. He's not even a socialist, let alone a communist.

By all means, disagree with him on policy all you want. I do on several issues. But calling him a communist shows ignorance of both the term and his platform.

God damn, you are ignorant...

If you have some quotes from Sanders calling for nationalization of all US industries (that's what socialism is), or calling for the dilution of the State (that's what communism is), by all means post them. I would actually be very interested in seeing those. Rebutting instead with, "god damn you're ignorant" and then rage-downvoting all my comments is kind of sad.

Sigh.. Pick up a book about the topic, review what he spouts, and come to your own conclusion. I don't give a fuck how you vote (if you are from the US). I don't live in the lower states, and it really it doesn't affect me. Why the fuck would you believe anything I say? Best research it on yourself. If you don't, well, you're being intellectually lazy... Cheers from Alaska!

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lol, your fearless leader said that honor killing is okay.

lol, Trudeau Sr. sold you out. Your country is nothing but a bitch to the Crown. Don't talk to me about socialism and imperialism. Your fuckers inspired the FED. Fuck the Crown, and fuck your Queen :). I live next to you :)

jesus fuck you are an ignorant ass. inspired the FED you say, with what exactly? our publicly owned bank (aka the exact opposite of the privately owned FED)

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Oh, it appears you're a common idiot.

The irony......

Have you read the document for the communist take over of America?

This is a plan that's very long in the making. Moves have to be made in certain time frames though. September this year is going to be an exciting time and the next few months as well being the season of sacrifice. The east and west factions of the nwo need puppets to bring in the one world government.

Are you suggesting Sanders is part of some vast conspiracy to turn the US communist?

Well I think Chomsky has been a plant since his early twenties so I don't really find it that hard to believe that they have a few career politicians up their sleeves to wheel out when the time is right.

There was a lot of infiltration of civil liberties groups by intelligence agents in the 60's and 70's. Those pics of Bernie in amid the black protests don't mean shit if he was there as a rat.

The world has proven over, and over again that socialism is not a vehicle to communism.

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

Pretend that’s 10,000 characters of laughter. Then pick up a fucking history book.

When you're ready to join the adults' table, let us know.

Have an argument. You don’t have one. Sanders is a traitor. You know absolutely nothing about economics.

I've just looked through your underlying theme in discussions with others on Reddit. You're either an angsty teenager or a troll. No point arguing with either.

Okay, reported. You have no argument and can only use ad-homs and harassment to reply.

haha good lord.. good luck with that "report", kid.

Marx's theory that socialism naturally becomes communism has not one single example in world history to prove his point.

There's no example of a successful communist nation because it absolutely can't work. The ideal of some utopia where everyone is "equal" is a dream.

Capitalism has empowered more people across the globe then communism can ever think of. There's been no other system in the history of mankind that has empowered and freed more people then capitalism.

Why do you think that so many people in Cuba, Venezuela, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Honduras, and China are rushing America's borders right now? If socialism and communism worked, wouldn't these people want to stay put in the utopia?

They're coming here because they realize, that the capitalist system is far superior for those who want to work hard and make something out of their lives.

The American dream is real, ask the millions of immigrants who have come here and made a great life for themselves by working hard, after fleeing the socialist / communist society's they lived in.

I agree with everything you said. Were you under the assumption I was defending Marx or something? Quite the opposite.

Yep, I sure did. My bad.

You got a point, Che? Stalk my history, I stand by my words and will discuss anything. You seem like a HS student...

people still don't know the definitions huh?

just mentioning words cause they're popular?

sanders is as communist as obama is a peace keeper worthy of nobel prize

what a choice for Americans...Ted Cruz an Evangelistic Israel firster, a Socialist Jew or Hillary. No wonder Trump is on a roll

Why do people even have faith in the government at ALL? Especially here? you people seriously think anything will change even if he wins? lol.

Because it's gradually becoming more common knowledge that Hilary is a lying piece of shit and reddit is just another propaganda outlet. /r/politics then becomes considered gamed and the masses will then be redirected to their long con candidate.

The scene is getting set for bernie trump showdown.

I would be very surprised if Hillary didn't use paid shills

Didn't she have the State Department pay half a mil for 250k Facebook likes?

Although they're probably not being paid much...I don't think she pays interns. Kind of funny how that works, takes in so much money into the Foundation and campaign contributors, doesn't pay staff.

I'm not entirely disagreeing with you, but what if Reddit, along with the majority of Americans actually think Socialism is a terrible idea, and that's why their so anti-Bernie?

I think this is just as likely.

I think they don't, but they're gonna be lead to want it in the false peace under a one world government.

Trump is probably priming the people for conscription to fight daesh after they cause havoc through the summer.

1) Stop calling the Islamic State the name they want you to use

2) Don’t you dare reply with “HURR I WAS TOLD THEY DON’T LIKE THE NAME LOL”

3) Trump is isolationist. Literally every other candidate is interventionist.

I'm not going to call them Isis as it defiles the Egyptian goddess whose loving energy needs to be spread across the planet.

Islamic State. Drop the “Iraq and Syria”; it’s too limiting. That’s why–though we should keep our demonym–I also like the idea of dropping “of America” from the United States. Too limiting.

That's so ridiculously childish, call them by what they want to be called. They don't have a monopoly on terror at all, and their complaints are perfectly justified

That's so ridiculously childish, call them by what they want to be called.

That’s what I’m saying. So stop calling them “daesh”.

They don’t have a monopoly on terror at all

Said no one.

their complaints are perfectly justified

Whose, exactly?

The complaints of Isis.

What are they complaining about, exactly?

Western treatment of the area.

Oh, so no justifiable claims, then. Okay.

The West is the reason they have any measure of civilization at all. Decolonization was the worst thing to happen to the Middle East and Africa in their entire histories. Well, Africa’s. The genocide of pre-mussulman Arabs and native Christians by Islam was the worst for the Middle East.

What you are experiencing with this post is sadly just a microcosm of why Sanders has no chance to win the Democratic nomination. I have some reservations about Bernie, but he is by far the best of the candidates running for the White House.

He is the only candidate who has demonstrated any humanity during his life, but that isn't an asset in this race. Mouth-foaming Trumptards and Clinton shills (she has no real supporters) have left their droppings on your post, just like they are shitting on Bernie's campaign, and shitting on hope for future of the United States.

Because Jew

It's not a white power thing, it's a 'he's jewish so obviously aligned with israel' thing. And they are anti israel and I am also. But I'm also for Sanders because I believe he has american people's interests in mind and has made statements that america shoudl respect both israel and palestine equally, which to an israeli political zionist is like kicking them in the anus

Bernies ONLY solution is to give the already corrupted to the core federal government more power, and more money. His only plan is to centralize more power to the federal government. How anyone can think that the answer to our problems is to feed the beast more, is beyond me.

He wants to federalize everything from pre-school to college, from total control of healthcare, to local police departments.

Ask yourself if giving the feds more power or less power is the step in the right direction.

How is socializing healthcare giving power to the government? To me socializing healthcare is giving power to the people.

Reddit is gamed as hell. Good reason to talk to people in real life once in awhile where you can exert some influence (and also a good reason to try not to let the bastards get you down on Reddit - bunch of real people on here, too, who appreciate authentic discussion when we can get it).

Ok.. I will give you my opinion on why I don't support Bernie. It took him 40 years to earn a real living, he was terrible at everything he did and relied on unemployment. He was poor, lived in a shack and couldn't keep his electricity on. People close to him said he was always complaining about how the rich are ripping people off and wrote stories about rape and masturbation for money. Until he met politics... Why would I want someone like that to run the greatest country in the world when he couldn't support himself without the government's help?

Now.. Onto his policies.. Kids love Bernie because of his free college plan. I understand that college is super expensive (I have student loans too) but you can't just put people through for free unless you raise taxes by an incredible amount which he wants to do. He's a self proclaimed socialist that believes the rich are screwing everyone.. It's just going to make the rich move their businesses out of the country which would kill our economy.

I could go on but that's some of the reasons why I don't support him-- our choice of presidents this time around is terrible.. But I won't be voting for Bernie.

Wow, I've never heard those things about early Bernie. Do you have any articles or interviews you could cite so I could educate myself on your stance?

Here are a bunch of links on his early life (they all pretty much say the same thing, but is a variety).

http://louderwithcrowder.com/socialist-bernie-sanders-wants-your-paycheck-because-it-took-him-40-years-to-earn-his-own/#.VvP-I-IrKM8

http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines-2016/bernie-sanders-a-bum-who-didnt-earn-his-first-paycheck-until-age-40-then-wormed-his-way-into-politics

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/02/bernie-sanders-a-bum-who-didnt-earn-his-first-paycheck-until-age-40/

http://spectator.org/blog/65498/bernie-sanders-didnt-make-paycheck-until-he-turned-40

There's a reddit thread about it too-- be warned though because it is the on the Donald subreddit hahaha

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/45zy3j/bernie_sanders_a_bum_who_didnt_earn_his_first/

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I like getting a different side of view from these stories, but they are dripping with bias. They say "we know our readers are smarties" and act like 90% tax is ridiculous when we're talking about billions of dollars from corporations not the average persons income, but the article makes it seem otherwise in order to agonize him. "He wants to take your money, he never did anything" when Bernie has been an active advocate for the people in a world tainted by corporate interests, that's something worth getting elected over IMO.

Excellent question OP, the reddit conspiracy sub is a true outlier in the conspiracy community, only glp is more clearly trump biased than here

He's sucked the energy and money out of the left's anti-establishment vote, and has been pretty soft on Clinton in return. He'll end up dropping out and endorsing her, maybe even get a cabinet position, and millions of democrat anti-establishment voters will never rally around such a figure again. He takes donations from people who are poor and struggling, and hands over money to friends and relatives

http://www.progressivestoday.com/bernie-sanders-used-campaign-donations-pay-family-members-2000-2004/

His long time campaign manager's company is also being paid to do advertising, being paid $800,000 in one month in some cases.

How do you know his intentions are actually good? Lots of people make a very good living being very good liars and actors.

After the Brussels attacks, he went on the "guise we shouldnt be islamophobic" rhetoric. Not a good candidate.

Because those of us who see through the game learned a long time ago that that the game is rigged. He's a liar. He's speaking to the child within you, "you deserve this little Timmy!" "Your a good boy, here's some free college, but wait! I'll need 50% of your income so we can make everyone happy." You don't deserve anything. It's the law of the jungle that matters and they know it. They just wanna milk you of your money and your independence. Hope Trunp wins so things get crazy and people reach a higher level of urgency. That's honesty what could help us, not this Obama v.2. (But worse)

I don't like Sanders because of his policies, but I know his heart is at the right place.

He's literally THE reddit candidate supports all the values redditors generally hold sacred going against basically the anti-christs of reddit and yet the top comments on /r/politics posts are very very often anti-sanders. What do you think is going on?

Not all of us are 12 years old and have zero knowledge of economics, society, and government.

Sanders is a traitor. He represents nothing about America.

Stop spewing shit and start stating some facts. Nobody cares about your baseless opinions.

Stop spewing shit and start stating some facts.

Marxists are statistically young and inexperienced.

Nobody cares about your baseless opinions.

Gave only facts.

So explain how sanders is a traitor?

Also, which 12 year olds are you referring to? The 52,000+ people that voted for him yesterday in the historically Republican leaning state of Utah?

So explain how sanders is a traitor?

Dual loyalty.

Also, which 12 year olds are you referring to?

The ones that know fuck all about economics who think that marxism works.

The 52,000+ people that voted for him yesterday

Yes, those.

in the historically Republican leaning state of Utah?

You say that as though it means fuck all. Pro tip: BOTH PARTIES HAVE VOTERS IN EVERY STATE. And guess what else? VIRTUALLY EVERY STATE GOES ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WITH LESS THAN FIVE POINTS OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM.

That’s what happens when you set up a false dichotomy and two parties with absolutely identical views. California went red, not only for Reagan, but for his successor. What’s your POINT? Of course there are marxists everywhere. The fucking Frankfurt School has been fomenting them for eighty years now. I’d be surprised if there WEREN’T at least 10,000 delusional people in every state voting for someone who is only “running” to give the appearance of choice.

He's a democratic socialist. Which, despite the bullshit we've been spoon fed, is closer to what we have in this country than free market capitalism since the time of FDR.

Things he wants and has stated he wants, have proven to work in other countries around the world. State paid college and healthcare are a staple in most industrialized nations. While we get to hear a lot of nonsense saying they all want to come here, its all bullshit. Canada and Germany pretty much can't stand us and wouldn't trade their free education and health care for our crappy system.

He's a democratic socialist. Which, despite the bullshit we’ve been spoon fed, is closer to what we have in this country than free market capitalism since the time of FDR.

You’re obviously smoking the pot he wants to legalize.

Things he wants and has stated he wants, have proven to work in other countries around the world.

CITATION FUCKING NEEDED.

State paid college and healthcare are a staple in most industrialized nations.

Pro tip: socialism only works if someone else foots the bill. WE’RE FOOTING THE BILL FOR EUROPE.

Canada and Germany pretty much can’t stand us and wouldn't trade their free education and health care for our crappy system.

Stop listening to MSNBC.

1. Pot should be legal. But I don't smoke it. But a simple dictionary is sufficient to show I'm right.

2. Ask a fucking Canadian? Ask a fucking German? I don't seem to get citations for the claims that they are all flooding here for our health care!

3. Yeah, my tax money foots the bill for my government services. We aren't footing the bill for fucking Europe.

You know, Canada and Germany sure lend us a lot of fucking money for countries that we are supposedly footing the bill for their free education and free health care! In fact, that a shit ton of money we are being lent by apparently insolvent countries we are footing the bill for!

http://ticdata.treasury.gov/Publish/mfh.txt

Or maybe a crackerjack box isn't the wisest place for you to keep getting your knowledge from.

Pot should be legal.

Keep your degenerate bullshit to yourself.

Ask a fucking Canadian? Ask a fucking German?

So you’re confirming that you have absolutely no proof whatsoever. Thanks for that; in the future just don’t say lies in the first place.

We aren’t footing the bill for fucking Europe.

Stop being an idiot.

money we are being lent

No, seriously, stop being an idiot.

Or maybe a crackerjack box isn’t the wisest place for you to keep getting your knowledge from.

Irony.

Lol, so you provide nothing to back up your idiotic argument that we are footing the bill for Germany and the rest of Europes health care and college, except a wikipedia article on NATO.

And this is why I'm laughing at you thinking how smart you are. Crackerjack box. lol I gave you the .gov site for where our trillions are owed, and you give me, a crackerjack box. Classic.

Lol, so you provide nothing... ...except a wikipedia article on NATO.

When you’re older than seven, you can generally put the pieces together on your own. You’re fucking delusional.

You do realize you are doing the precise thing you are accusing me of doing right? lol I'm old enough to see that your insults are being used to cover for the fact that you have strong opinions with little to back it up. I think we can end this conversation now.

Gave you proof. You’ve given me nothing. Gave you an argument. You’ve given me nothing. Stop fucking around.

Lol, gave me a wiki on the Nato defense pact. Quality proof that we are footing the bill for Europes education and health care. You've given me nothing. period. You've given me shit, and insulted me. I don't know why I'm wasting my time with someone who believes they just gave me a quality discussion with that nonsense as its back bone.

Lol, gave me a wiki on the Nato defense pact. Quality proof that we are footing the bill for Europes education and health care.

Are you younger than 14? That’s the only explanation for your inability to comprehend what you just said.

nonsense

Says the person saying socialism works.

I'm appalled at your inability to understand the difference between what you did, and an argument. LMAO all you have is insults, you literally have nothing else!

Geezus, at least I was able to show you that we owe money out the wazoo to people you believe are having us foot the bill for them. With an official government link showing it by the actual numbers. But yeah, you gave quality proof, not me. Give me a break man. You can't be for real.

I’m appalled at your inability to understand the difference between what you did, and an argument.

That’s my line.

You literally have nothing else!

Proved everything I said. You’re the one with zero evidence for his claims.

Geeks, at least I was able to show you that we owe money out the wazoo to people you believe are having us foot the bill for them.

The fact that you think we owe them money is hilarious, seeng as they’ve received billions in aid for free.

With an official government link showing it by the actual numbers.

And you think this makes your statement correct, when other government links disprove it?

You can't be for real.

Thanks for playing. You lost.

You are a joke, go away. Even your false sense of self worth and complete lack of understanding of the term "evidence" has grown stale and no longer amuses me.

You are a joke, go away.

Oh, man, I didn’t plan for this! I never expected anyone to tell me to go away! What will I do now?!

Even your false sense of self worth

Fun fact: I have no self-worth.

complete lack of understanding of the term “evidence”

I gave you the links. It’s your fault you’re too stupid to comprehend them.

amuses me.

Fun fact: nothing was intended to be amusing, so your complete and utter lack of comprehension of the discussion is the source of that amusement.

links? Thats a plural word. It implies more than one.

comprehension

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

too stupid

Ah, the mark of a true genius, continually insulting who he's trying to convince that he is right without doing more than posting a general wikipedia article. Classic you.

It implies more than one.

Hey, how about that. You’re learning.

You keep using that word.

Almost as though you’re illiterate or something.

continually insulting

“LOL YOU’RE A JOKE LOL YOU’RE A TROLL LOL YOU’RE NOT REAL LOL”

“HOW DARE YOU INSULT ME”

It’s not an insult if it’s true, boyo.

Its so funny that you still have your panties in such a bunch! That I so easily got you pissy over your ridiculous attempt to be right, is hilarious!

I’ll project my emotions onto him

lol i win now

I’m only doing this because it’s enjoyable to watch you self-destruct.

The fact that you think there is something to win betrays your statement as false. I'm working, listening to "Hidden Meanings" playlist on youtube (comedy), and enjoying my day. If I was projecting my emotions, you'd be in a good mood instead of...well, what ever emotions you are pushing out now. Which I actually hope are good emotions. Getting upset over reddit shit is dumb. Because in the end, I don't know you and you don't know me, so my opinion shouldn't be bothering you that much.

The fact that you think there is something to win

Learn what quoting is.

If I was projecting my emotions, you’d be in a good mood

You’re not in a good mood, though.

Getting upset over reddit shit is dumb.

So stop being upset that you’re wrong and start just NOT being wrong.

my opinion

Your opinion is false. You don’t really get to hold false beliefs without being called out on them.

Good to see that you are able to convince yourself of being right AND that you know what my mood is. And I know you don't get to hold false beliefs without getting called out on them. But you don't seem to like someone doing that to you so I don't know why you hold to that statement but whatever makes you happy I suppose.

convince yourself of being right

Everything you’ve ever said simply exposes your ideological failings. Being right has nothing to do with people.

But you don’t seem to like someone doing that to you

It’d have to happen first.

lol

A traitor how?

Dual loyalties.

Like?

He likes burger king and mcdonalds.

Well, as long as its processed food, its all fine.

but if he has Jewish blood in him, it autmagically means he's in on the fix and is inherently corrupt. /s

The reality is that this "you're more special than other humans, so join our club of co-conspirators to render the stupid humans our slaves" way of life is not universally appealing. The life and message of Bernie Sanders is an expression of the antithesis of this way of life.

Sorry, you seem to have put a ‘not’ in your post accidentally.

That's so ridiculously childish, call them by what they want to be called.

That’s what I’m saying. So stop calling them “daesh”.

They don’t have a monopoly on terror at all

Said no one.

their complaints are perfectly justified

Whose, exactly?

basing everything on his blood.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Actions, not blood.

Thats the fact.

Okeedoke. Whatever you want to believe.

Lol, so you provide nothing... ...except a wikipedia article on NATO.

When you’re older than seven, you can generally put the pieces together on your own. You’re fucking delusional.

Bernie Sanders is giving the government more money to benefit corrupt special interests by cutting insurance companies out of the market through Medicare for All?

The idea of a government run single payer system is a TERRIBLE idea, which will drastically cut the quality of health care. Perfect example of this is Canada. There continues to be record numbers of Canadians who travel abroad to be treated. In 2014, there were 53,000 Canadians who traveled abroad to receive treatment. If socialized medicine was really such a great thing and worked, there'd be no reason for these people to travel abroad to receive treatment.

A survey conducted by The Health Council of Canada in 2011 found that only 40% of of the 3,000 patients surveyed were either satisfied, or very satisfied with the care they received.

The quality of care (or lack thereof) in socialized medicine isn't limited to Canada either. A report released in October by Britain’s health regulator found that a stunning 20 percent of hospitals were failing to provide the minimum standard of care legally required for elderly patients.

As part of the study, inspectors dropped by dozens of hospitals unannounced. They found patients shouting or banging on bedrails desperately trying to get the attention of a nurse. At one hospital, inspectors identified bed-ridden patients that hadn’t been given water for over 10 hours.

Think about how the Obama administration has weaponized the IRS and gone after his political enemies, I don't think it's such a stretch to think that government run Healthcare could be used in the same manner at some point.

If the government takes over Healthcare completely, and doctors essentially become government workers who are a paid exactly the same, which will be significantly lower then their current salaries, the quality (and likely the quantity) of doctors will drastically decrease.

If you want to know how socialized medicine will ultimately end, you don't need to look any further then Medicare, which is currently expected to be insolvent by the year 2030.

He's benefiting special interests by offering affordable college? Which corrupt special interest groups pouring money into DC campaigns gain from these things? The teacher's unions?

Yes. The teacher's unions are a significant lobby actually. If you give college free to everyone, you're going to have a massive increase in the number of teachers, and the teachers union, and their lobbyists will also increase significantly as well. There's no doubt that college currently as become so expensive, that many who want to go to college simply can't, and those who can, end up with crippling amounts of college debt. But WHY has college become so expensive though? This is what really angers me about Bernie Sanders's plan to make college "free" for everyone. Instead of actually addressing the reason why college has become so unaffordable, he simply wants to continue with the broken system and expand it further.

First off, there's no such thing as free college. It's still going to be just as expensive as it is today, and most likely even increase in cost. So instead of making college more affordable, he's simply going to make the working middle class pay for it instead.

But I digress. Do you know the what the main reason for college tuition skyrocketing even is? According to both the liberal New York Times as well as the conservative outlet Forbes the reason is the increase in federal government subsidies that have caused the problem to begin with! So again, Bernie's only solution is to exasperate the situation even more, by massively increasing federal subsidies!

Did you know that US colleges that don’t accept Federal loans have tuition roughly half of their similarly-ranked peers? In fact some schools have stated they will refuse Federal aid in order to keep costs low.

Just another example of Bernie feeding the beast more, expanding and growing an already broken system which you and I will now have to pay for and expecting different results, instead of addressing the root of the problem. The answer to healthcare, and college is to limit the role of government, not expand it. Look at Obamacare, as soon as the government got involved, the problems only intensified with many people (including me) having their premiums double. Look at the Obamacare website which cost tax payers over $2,000,000,000 and only recently began to fully work. Do you realize the type of website the private sector could build for 0.001% that? Almost everything the government puts their hands on ends up being worse then before. The only form of government which actually works is local and state governments, which Bernie wants to marginalize and hand their powers over to the feds.

The best example of this is the advertising blitz that occurs whenever we consider universal health care. It scares people that there will be long waiting periods, poorer care and fewer choices

That's not propaganda, that's absolute fact. Aside from the study by The Health Council of Canada which I mentioned above that shows a stunning 60% of respondents surveyed being either unsatisfied or very unsatisfied with the level of care they received, Britain's NHS is a disaster.

The United Kingdom is the latest to tighten its belt. The National Health Service (NHS) — the centralized public agency that runs Britain’s government healthcare system — is being forced to shave $31 billion from its budget by 2015

These cuts are leading to a precipitous drop in the quality of care patients receive. The NHS has been living well beyond its means for quite awhile. And now brutal government-enforced cost controls are exacting a heavy human toll.

In order to realize some savings, the NHS is raising the threshold at which patients qualify for treatment and lengthening wait times for surgeries determined “non-lifesaving.” The Service is also cutting more than 20,000 NHS jobs over the next two years and shuttering a number of hospitals.