I assume you want to hear the anti-vax side of things, rather than the pro-vax side which you are likely to be more familiar with?

Some people believe that vaccines can cause harm. Indeed, a huge amount of money is awarded to patients who have been harmed by vaccines every year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_court

A doctor who worked for the CDC (Dr. William Thompson) became a whistleblower recently, stating that the CDC obfuscated data which showed a link between a particular vaccine and the incidence of Autism among certain subgroups of those vaccinated.

There are many documented cases of big pharma companies covering up data which shows their products cause harm (e.g. prozac and teenagers https://www.drugwatch.com/ssri/suicide/), so it is not inconceivable that the same happens with some vaccines.

Some people argue that vaccinations are under-studied - particularly the interaction between various vaccines which are given in a short amount of time.

In my opinion, overall vaccines probably do more harm than good, but the way the system is set up means that companies have an incentive to hide data which shows products cause harm. Drug companies should be forced to publish all their data from every study they conduct. In addition, interactions between vaccines should be rigorously studied.

No, that's not what I'm saying. I just presented some information.

"The exact cause of autism spectrum disorder (ASD) is currently unknown. It's a complex condition and may occur as a result of genetic predisposition (a natural tendency), environmental or unknown factors." - http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Autistic-spectrum-disorder/Pages/Causes.aspx

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What's your view on the CDC whistleblower Dr. William Thompson and the former Chief Scientific Officer at the Department of Health, Dr Peter Fletcher, who has recently come forward?

What on earth makes you think that a former Chief Scientific Officer at the Department of Health would lie about this subject? He has a 25+ year career in promoting health (including use of vaccines). He has not spoken out against any vaccines other than the combined MMR. To suggest he is a liar is, quite frankly, outrageous.

This user is clearly trolling and has been banned.

the vaccine court has handed down more than 70 decisions that it did.

The vaccine court.

http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/vaccine-programoffice-special-masters

Strawman argument.

Cite?

Cite or stfu. Or show us how vaccines with their various ingredients can't "change the structure of the brain".

What about the following ingredients in vaccines:

formaldehyde, aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate, thimerosal, and polysorbate 80 (Tween-80)

ammonium sulfate, formalin, and sucrose

benzethonium chloride

glycerin, and phenol -a compound obtained by distillation of coal tar

aluminum hydroxide, and thimerosal

beta-propiolactone

monosodium L-glutamate (MSG), potassium chloride, potassium phosphate monobasic, potassium phosphate dibasic, sodium bicarbonate, sodium phosphate dibasic, sorbitol, and sucrose

All injected directly into a child's body.

http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html

Can you assure us with 100% certainty that these substances in the amounts injected into small children's bodies can't "change the structure of the brain"?

Ok, so let me respond because Thattransgirl isn't doing a great job at presenting his/her point of view.

Let me first address your list of ingredients found in vaccines. It's important to ask yourself if you really know what these ingredients are. Are they harmful because studies have found them to be? Or do they just sound scientific and scary.

Chemicals, especially the ones you've listed, often sound dangerous because they are used in manufacturing of products not associated with health. Things not made for consumption, or dangerous in large quantities. What we tend to forget is that our body ingests and processes a lot of toxic chemicals that are deadly in large quantities. We are constantly eating, breathing and exposing ourselves to things that are very toxic. Luckily, our bodies filter out these toxins, and as long as we aren't exposed to large quantities of them, we continue to survive. In the context of vaccines, the amount is incredibly negligible given the amount.

Let me reference a few of your examples specifically.

Formaldehyde is actually produced by our bodies naturally and plays an essential role in our metabolism. Whether from an external source or produced by our bodies, it's converted into formate. Which we urinate or further break down into CO2 and exhaled.

Many of your references include aluminum this, or that... You would be surprised as to how much aluminum you consume in ordinary foods. Ever drink beer? Every eat fruit? Breathe air? Breastmilk contains 0.04 milligrams of aluminum per liter. There are considerable amounts of all the iterations of aluminum that you've mentioned that we are exposed to it on a daily basis.

Sucrose is sugar. Potassium chloride is in bananas.

I could go on, but all of the chemicals you've mentioned have been proven to be benign in small amounts... and the amount used in vaccines are so much smaller, that you would be better off worrying about the things you eat that have much higher doses of all of the ingredients you've mentioned.

Now I'm not saying that science has 100% certainty of anything, but wouldn't you prefer being informed? From my perspective, the dangers of vaccines seem to be from misinformation and distrust.

http://vaccineliberationarmy.com/2013/04/05/poster-comparing-1940-1980-and-2012-childrens-vaccine-schedule-2/

I took the time to read the link you sent. I'm assuming the counter argument you're providing is that we are using vaccines more, and the cumulative effect of all those shots is more dangerous today because of the increased exposure to the chemicals (like mercury) in them.

To respond to the infant death increase in the article I would sugest reading this article Correlation, does not mean causation. The article you referenced didn't really provide information on why the deaths occurred. The rise was due to mothers contracting influenza during the 09 epidemic . I realise that this argument is more about how people interpret information, and a general distrust of the medical field, so even if I quote studies by universities and medical colleges it becomes a "they're lobbied by big pharma... etc".

I think it's important to note that Thimerosal (Mercury) is no longer used in general vaccines for children (except sometimes for the flu shot, however parents can request a mercury free version). The NRDC pressed for it's removal in the late 1990's. ...and just to respond to the claim that the total amount of mercury (150 mcgs) that someone would have been exposed to cumulatively, is still incredibly small, given that it isn't all at one time... and that eating fish exposes you to much much more. Even if you don't buy that arguement, the fact that vaccines don't contain it anymore makes it mute.

Waiting for your response.

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Ill tell you how, its chemicals injected straight into the bloodstream. Blood travels through everywhere in the body.

Researching is better than being a shill :)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-110348/The-ways-chemicals-harm-body.html

Nice i like it

I agree, everything is made from chemicals, thats not to say there aren't good chemicals and bad chemicals. An example of a good chemical present in your body right now is dopamine, which is the chemical form of happiness. An example of a bad one is flouride, which is in drinking water, which was recently labeled as a neurotoxin in the world's most renown medical journal.

I'd love to hear what you think about the intellect levels of the authors of the lancet

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/laneur/article/PIIS1474-4422%2813%2970278-3/fulltext#article_upsell

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He has 115 references with a footnote citing his source for every claim he makes in that article. You need to try harder

If you're just going to troll and dick around here you're going to be banned. So what's it gonna be?

Dr Peter Fletcher, is the former Chief Scientific Officer at the Department of Health. I personally would need to see evidence to suggest that his opinion is in any way biased against vaccines before accepting that assertion.

Vaccine makers are not held legally accountable for damage caused by their vaccines at least not in the US or UK. The US 'vaccination court' payed out 2.5 billion dollars in 2013 to people injured by vaccination. I doubt all injured people receive a pay out.

If a collection of corporations are able to lobby for legal protection on a federal level, I think it would be considerably easier to acquire media protection.

Aluminum and mercury are used to keep different strands of virus separated, as that is much cheaper then making individual syringes for each individual virus. The end result is recieving 14 times the usda safe amount of mercury.

I get a tetanus shot because that disease is relevant to my life. I have not experienced a flu since adolescence, when I was getting flu shots, but that is purely anecdotal.

What was unreasonable about my responses?

There's a lot about it online. There are a lot of medical academics in a great number of disciplines who are "anti-vaxxers" too. It's not as cut and dried as the authorities (the CDC, WHO, etc) would have you believe. There are a lot of compelling reasons for grave skepticism of vaccines. You need to educate yourself. The authorities are too often wrong. Medicine as a field is highly political and very money-oriented.

Do a good bit of reading on what you take for granted as 'good info' on cholesterol, fat vs sugar, etc., and you'll start to see a pattern emerge. Then keep reading.

How is it passive-aggressive? Have you done a single search for this info? At all? I can link you some if you're not sure how search engines work. << That right there was passive-aggressive. Now you know how that actually looks. Nothing I said above was in any way meant in any other way than as written.

You came here to start a fight and you didn't get one. That's called "butt hurt". lolol

I never sent a link. How would the opinions of conspiracy theorists be of any value to you at all? You were looking for a fight and nothing less. Your comments to me have demonstrated this beyond a shadow of a doubt.

You know, you aren't the first one through here like this. It's not like no one knows what these sorts of requests are actually about.

Why can you not read about it yourself? Why do you feel it's someone else's job to convince you? Utilize your own mind.

Yes you are. You say you want an explanation of antvaxxing but then you attack with "you need to educate yourself" and "it certainly isnt caused by vaccines".

You came here to fish up some antivaxxers and call them out because your mind was made up before you typed a single letter.

Check user names.

I now see you were quoting the educate yourself remark. However your negativity towards the subject is VERY obvious. You came itchin for a fight.

ad hominem

His reply was that you should educate yourself. He even gave you some starting points.

No you don't. I've just read the comments. It's clear that you came in and asked a question and then trolled everyone. Since your username is that trans girl 161, we are to assume that once we've outed you as a troll, we're also supposed to hate trans people. I mean you could be trans, it's possible...you certainly are angry which fits most transpeople I've ever met outside the context of a trans specific meeting like at lgbt centers (volunteer).

But I think you're doing a double taint. I think it's more likely you're a homophobic 20 somethings hetero male veteran behind a laptop at hbgary or any other various military intelligence contractors (or working from home) astroturfing and taunting people here. Am I right? If so, you should just skip to the end of our story where we get justice for 9/11 and you kill yourself for being part of the death star, betraying america so completely.

Or are you just an angry trans person trolling us at r conspiracy?

Did you just make an abstruse reference to a Japanese video game Sherlock trope?

If so, stellar job appearing to be an angry transperson expatriot in Japan. That was clever, I'll give you that. Shinjirarenaiyo

/tips tophat

Robertson et al. (1992) wrote that in 1985 and 1986. 152 measles outbreaks in US school-age children occurred among persons who had previously received measles vaccine. “Every 2-3 years, there is an upsurge of measles irrespective of vaccination compliance”.

To cap it all: the largely unvaccinated Amish (they claim religious exemption) had not reported a single case of measles between 1970 and December 1987, for 18 years (Sutter et al. 1991). It is quite likely that a similar situation would have applied to outside communities without any vaccination and that measles vaccination had actually kept measles alive and kicking. According to Hedrich (1933), there is a variety of dynamics of measles occurrence, from 2-3 years to up to 18 years, as later also witnessed by the unvaccinated Amish. - See more at: http://vaccinationcouncil.org/2013/01/18/the-ineffectiveness-of-measles-vaccines-and-other-unintended-consequences-by-dr-viera-scheibner-phd/#sthash.h3NjxhvT.dpuf

Why I'm anti-vax? Because after the Gardasil series, I've had bruising, infertility, some unidentified endocrine disorder, dietary allergies and chronic pain. Yay.

I took the time to read the link you sent. I'm assuming the counter argument you're providing is that we are using vaccines more, and the cumulative effect of all those shots is more dangerous today because of the increased exposure to the chemicals (like mercury) in them.

To respond to the infant death increase in the article I would sugest reading this article Correlation, does not mean causation. The article you referenced didn't really provide information on why the deaths occurred. The rise was due to mothers contracting influenza during the 09 epidemic . I realise that this argument is more about how people interpret information, and a general distrust of the medical field, so even if I quote studies by universities and medical colleges it becomes a "they're lobbied by big pharma... etc".

I think it's important to note that Thimerosal (Mercury) is no longer used in general vaccines for children (except sometimes for the flu shot, however parents can request a mercury free version). The NRDC pressed for it's removal in the late 1990's. ...and just to respond to the claim that the total amount of mercury (150 mcgs) that someone would have been exposed to cumulatively, is still incredibly small, given that it isn't all at one time... and that eating fish exposes you to much much more. Even if you don't buy that arguement, the fact that vaccines don't contain it anymore makes it mute.