I think many people would agree that there is something to what you have listed here. Unfortunately it is an extremely difficult topic to have a open discussion about - as most people have already been fully indoctrinated.

When Hitler removed the Jews from power in Germany and restored the German economy to robust health, the Jews collectively declared war on Germany. They actually published a written declaration of war. Now, as we all know, Jews never do anything directly -- they manipulate the goyim into doing it for them. That's how they operate. So why did WW2 really begin? The goyim in Britain were manipulated into believing that there was no other option but to go to war with Germany. This was a lie, of course. Hitler had no intention of ever invading Britain or interfering with the British Empire. His concern was the Jewish-led communists in Russia, who he rightly perceived as the greatest threat to world peace and freedom. So war began, just as the Jews wanted it to begin. Englishmen and Americans fought and died for their warmongering purposes, as they had done in WW1.

I stay open-minded because actions like these are totally inline with the bullshit wars we see today

Yeah to think what we see today is new would be naive. This is why history is so important.

Every claim you've made has plenty of holes in it. Plenty of evidence of gas chambers exists, that one was a blatant lie if anything. I don't think anybody believes Hitler was an overall good person, maybe that he had good intentions, he was a good person only to the people he liked. Any sort of Polish atrocity, which I'm actually completely unaware of so feel free to fill me in, definitely pales in comparison to any actions Germany may have taken in retribution, and it's expected that they be ignored when such greater misdeeds occurred, especially since they were done by the losing side. Mass extermination definitely took place, it's clear simply looking at the numbers of people shipped into the camps and comparing them with the people that were liberated, these people didn't just disappear off the face of the Earth.

I don't quite care about Jews, or Hitler, or the Holocaust as a whole, but it's ridiculous to make these claims which aren't backed by any solid evidence whatsoever.

but it's ridiculous to make these claims which aren't backed by any solid evidence whatsoever.

That's quite ironic to what you said....

No, that's not how I meant it, I don't mean here in the confines of the thread, he's making claims that have no evidence anywhere.

he's making claims that have no evidence anywhere.

So did you, hence why it's ironic. Just because it's in the history books, doesn't make it "evidence". Couple that with any disagreeing with the official "evidence" can land you in jail in Europe and other countries, leads many (including myself) to doubt the validity of said "evidence".

But that's not the reason that law was enacted, the Holocaust was one of the biggest atrocities in human history and people outright saying it didn't happen contrary to evidence is one of the most offensive things a person on Earth can do, if anything warrants being called offensive it's that. Eventually those laws will be lifted but even I don't think they should now.

I just really hate how you listed those things out as though they were certain facts. If they were theories you should have said so.

As far as proof of gas chambers here you go. http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/skeptic-magazine/skeptic-12.html

You can't use math to disprove it considering nobody knows the exact number that died from those specific means, but a Nazi gas chamber or crematorium didn't have to follow any regulations limiting how many people could go in and other stuff like that, they just threw people in there and popped the switch, you can't do math with so many unknown variables. 4.3 million victims names are listed in the Yad Vashem, family members of living individuals that many still go to mourne, and these are all documented individuals, they didn't just disappear off the face of the Earth.

As far as the Red Cross stuff you're trying to cite, you're completely misrepresenting the information that exists. The Red Cross has stated that it would have been impossible for them to even gather such data considering their extremely limited access to CC's and that they never even attempted to get such data. http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0031322X.1978.9969431#/doi/abs/10.1080/0031322X.1978.9969431

As far as the pact and all I don't even know what you're attempting to argue so I'll leave that be, it isn't an obviously false claim like these.

"Hitler was made out to be the Villain when evidence suggests otherwise / pro country / people / economy / animals. There's evidence that supports he wanted the Jews relocated. They had infiltrated all aspects of government, and, as a way to avoid any further detrimental actions against the state-- he motioned to have them removed (not killed)"

The above is where many conspiracy theory people fail in understanding WW2. Every aspect of the rise and the movement of the Hitler was psyop on the World.

The German movement just prior to the Rise of Hitler was a genuine movement to better a starving nation- one man did not build this overnight as history pushes, a nation was rising out of the ashes of oppression and out of the grips of the starvation and the sanctions. Like every fucking real movement by real people, the Shadow men came and infiltrated the German peoples successful moment to free themselves from injustice and poverty. And just like every modern day nation that dares to free itself from this kind of oppression, Germany was infiltrated from the top ranks, a stooge puppet named Hitler was installed, and they would use him to crush the hope of millions while finding a way to bring a war to the World. They would build Israel, and they would kill germans and Jews a like while turning them against each other. The entire top command of the German nazi army was Zionist Jew families of the Thule secret order who cared not who they slaughtered Jew or German, but rather who obeyed them and their sickness they unleashed on Germany.

This unfortunately is the real story that we too often see today happening to nations all around us. You don't get to make the cover of Time magazine unless you are the shit they are selling as part of the psyop on the World.

The Rise of Hitler was a zionist psyop, he was their man from day one. He curtailed a great powerful recovery that Germany was embarking on, But the shadow Zionists who puppet the world leaders installed their false leader and collapsed Germany so they could set up a New Order of the region.

There are no real heroes who get to be at top positions in ANY nation on this planet. If you are in a leadership position, you are a stooge of few powerful political handlers controlling the world.

Three key things that stand out as evidence for Hitler being a willful Zionist puppet.

1.He comes to power by minority government coalition, then through a false flag, later a corrupt industry political push, he was appointed Chancellor. Not by the will of the people. There was no democratic process. This is very telling as by any means necessary, Hitler was given power. The same shit we witnessed in Ukraine in 2014. They mounted some industry asshole who couldn't even form a majority government who came to power in coup etat false flag. It doesn't matter what people want when Zionists want to fuck up a country.

2.Who financed Hitler? That should tell you who he worked for.Funny how Germany was under heavy sanctions until puppet Hitler comes to power and the Zionist bank of England is ready to finance his mission. Of course, just like the EU and The IMF were suddenly ready to give billions to Ukraine of the coup etat to finance that bloody civil war.

3.Haavara Agreement signed by Hitler, to send German assets to Palestine, in anticipation of th would be Israel state long planned out by the zionists.

I worked with a woman who's father was in the german airforce during the war. I talked to her about how she felt about the Jews being imprisoned. Her response was pretty much "they made a choice by protesting against the government, they marked themselves by wearing the stars, it was their choice."

She didn't say anything else more about it other than that. I got a sense that her family didn't agree with how the western world saw the war. I firmly believe there's always two side to any story. I'm certain what we know about WW2 isn't completely correct and I have suspicions that we've been lied to.

Here is a list of countries Nazi Germany invaded and occupied in alphabetical order for your convienience: (keep in mind that this all happened in a span of 5 years)

Albania

Austria

Belgium

Belarus

Czechoslovakia

Denmark

Estonia

France

Greece

Great Britain(Guernsey)

Hungary

Italy

Jersey

Latvia

Lithuania

Luxembourg

Moldavia

Monaco

Netherlands

Norway

Poland

Russia

San Marino

Slovakia

Ukraine

Yugoslavia

Hitler and his crew were fucking bloodthirsty murderous maniacs. Anyone who tries to tell you different are fucking fascists trying to recruit you. End of story.

When I think "No, it can't happen again. No one will ever fall for it and do the bidding of their governments by being drafted" I imagine that people thought the same thing during the war. The population was probably a lot smaller and still had its very minute percentage of free-thinkers. Now that the internet is around today we think there is a much larger amount of free-thinking individuals who've seen through the brainwashing, but it is probably still the same minute percentage as there was during WW2 given the larger population now.

Hitler and Germany were revered by royalty, bankers and industrialists, and was backed by them. The main objective was war with the USSR as they were terrified by the implications of socialism and communism. Note the false flag fire at the Reichstag blamed on the Communists. Other objectives were to capture gold and oil reserves of South Eastern and Eastern Europe. In addition, to gather war prisoners to work in the labour camps owned by Germany's backers which it too had a stake in it.

It seems that the Jews that were captured were common people and their belongings were seized. If so, then the Jews in Germany who were part and in league with the royalists, bankers and industrialists sold their own people down the river and got a slice of that seizure. Its likely that they too brainwashed their own people to shift the blame to someone and thus hiding their involvement in the sell out. While on the topic of Jews, there were Jews that also served in German army even during WW2.

The allies invaded Germany to protect their "investments" at the closing stages of the war as the USSR was advancing in it after facing 80% of the forces with the allies 20%. After the war the royalists, bankers and industrialists continued their campaign against the USSR with NATO and Operation Paperclip which many Germans both in military and science were transported to the USA and some even made it into the ranks of NATO.

1) if that was the case, why the pact-- then? (Russo / German)

The pact, if there was one, was a pack to be broken. Its very likely that the NKVD knew of Germany's plan for war against the USSR. Poland was right in between the USSR and Germany so perhaps even if the Soviets knew of the German plan to wage war on them they wanted to slow the German advance into Poland. Poland was later the zone whereby at least German Army Group North invaded the USSR. The others were Army Group Centre and Army Group South. It could well be that all three Army Groups began from Poland.

2) [...] So then a majority of the conspiracy following his acts in order to quell the notion of war wasn't accurate, or didn't happen? And if so, what about the above question? It does seem like there would be some holes in that as well. (I know that Jews also fought in ww2, especially on that of Hitler's army, more so, it was more than just that too. Hit sought Alliances elsewhere...but and that brings up my next question...)

Germany was producing military equipment en mass which by itself does not say such. The nature of the military equipment was mostly for invasion and not for defensive purposes eg. defensive lines. Someone implemented the plan in Germany for mass production of military equipment and Hitler was creating boogeymen like the fire at the Reichstag, blamed on the Communists. Later the war in France, which interestingly had been Germany's archenemy historically, and the arrest of the Jews which was palatable to the German people. In a way he was playing domestic politics with the populace - political approval.

3) If that was the case (above) - how come there's video of Hitler meeting with Arab nations for backing? His army wasn't as white washed as we believe it to be. For the hatred that the Zionists seemed to have for that region, why would that take place, other than a massive ropeadope? (Which again I find funny that he quoted Germany and Saudi Arabia as working together to fight the jews)

There were Jews in North Africa and in the Middle East the Arabs seem to have been delegated to do like the Germans did in Eastern and South Eastern Europe. That is to say capture the common Jewish populace whilst leaving "key" Jewish figures at peace and cease their belongings. One point to introduce is that some common Jews also held gold British Pound coins at least that was the case for some of them living in South Eastern Europe so along with belongings and cash - there was gold. In Poland the Germans burned corpses which could have been of both Polish and Jewish civilians and harvested their gold fillings. So along with gold captured from governments they also captured gold from civilians along with other belongings. It was the Germans that supported (maybe even created) the predecessors of Islamists during WW2.

4) Its clear to see that an agenda was played out, but I don't know that I believe that Hitler was apart of it (I may just need more education). Obviously the PTB continued their advancement towards the USSR and absorbed much of Germany's resources in the process...my grandfather used to comment that, while guarding POW's, the Germans (who were very friendly, apparently) wanted to know when the allies were going to take out Russia)

Hitler's speeches roused the German populace to believe sentiments like themselves being the Aryan race, which is quite suspect since the Aryans were known to be masters of horse riding and as such directs to the peoples living from the Far Eastern Steppes to the Crimean Steppe not the Germans who were living in the forests for the better part of human history. Similarly with the Atlantean theory with engineering and technology did not develop until the Middle Ages there, while other civilisations had it for most of human history. Hitler's sentiment to fight 'the Jew' was not aimed at any of the centres of Jewry.

Very interesting that the German POW's that your grandfather guarded were waiting for support from England, US and the other allies. News as such does not go around military circles for the sake of it they received some kind of message.

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I don't think it was anyone within his own immediate power structure. If anything, I believe that Hitler was more of a pawn for Goebbels and Himmler. It really is fascinating to look through WW2 history once the red, white, and blue filters are removed. I really recommend Those Conspiracy Guys' episode on Hitler and the occult.

What I always think about is the famous picture of the skinny holocaust victem dtanding to the right and guys in bunks on the left. It was doctored, a merging of 2 photos. A image made for propoganda that is still in textbooks, usually right after that image of stalin photoshopping out one of his early comrades and how propogandised that regime was

Also after ww2 in 1968 poland basically exiled the remaining hews in poland

The directors of the hated secret police that came in with the soviets were almost all jewish, that was one of the main reasons. Polish goverment and people were strongly anti zionist

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Good point! Really constructive.

"researched", lol. Yet in many countries it's illegal to say publicly that something is wrong with the official "history".. Yeah, that doesn't raise any red flags, nooooope...

WW2 is one of the most researched historical events there is.

And what's your point? History is written by the victors. WW2 looks pretty fucking pro-"Allies" and anti-"Axis powers," otherwise known as "countries that disagree with the USA."

Why don't you think Germany has proven their innocence in that situation? I'm sure they'd love to get rid of the negative public image it resulted in and they would be the people who would have the most ability to do it. The reality is they can't because the history is mostly accurate, although admittedly biased in nature, it's not lies.