| Any coincidence 300,000 people will be at the 100th Indianapolis 500 race this weekend?

yes. You got it: Coincidence.

They were also conducting a training exercise the day before the Boston Marathon. And they were doing a training exercise the same morning of the San Bernadino shooting, in a building next door. So many coincidences!

On 9/11, the Air Force, the FAA, NORAD, the Pentagon, and other entities were involved with numerous terror simulations that morning, at least one simulation directly dealt with NORAD tracking hijacked commercial airliners that were crashed into the WTC towers, the Pentagon and White House. And then every member of the Bush Administration and high-ranking military and intelligence brass all had the balls to say and repeat that "nobody could have ever imagined this kind of attack, terrorists using airplanes as missiles." Well, you guys did. And so did the chief architect of the World Trade Center and so did Larry Silverstein, the guy who bought WTC buildings 1, 2 and 7 and insured them against terrorist attacks just several months before 9/11.

They never could have imagined terrorists bombing the train station in Madrid... except that there were emergency anti-terror drills in Madrid that day specifying bombs in the station. London? Also had anti-terror drills of terrorists attacking public transport systems on the day of the London Bombing. The LAX shooting? DHS and FEMA anti-terror drills. Sandy Hook? Anti-terror drills. They even had the perfect number of Christmas trees. Aurora, Colorado? Anti-terror drills. Oklahoma City? Oslo? Virginia Tech? Taft Union? Terror drills gone live.

It's not a series of unfortunate coincidences. It is a planned, coordinated assault on humanity, perpetrated by the governments tasked with keeping us safe. Like it or not.

I think these are tests to gauge how a population will react. The use of fear as a test strip is nothing new. They figure if 20% of the people violently refuse, then they'll need more troops in that area, or, a different type of suppression method. This is their way of dipping a toe in the water to see how hot or deep it goes. These are calculated "drills", to see how hard a population pushes back. When the shit hits the fan, they have an idea of the percentage of resistance. That way, when they do fuck you up the ass, they know how much lube to use.

How much? That's thinking positively. Maybe it's more like how many bullets.

That way, when they fuck you up the ass, they know how much lead to use.

Either way, I agree. False flags are a means of both coercing opinion through violence and fear, and gauging the population's response.

I'd be curious to read more into this, could you provide some links? Mostly about the connection between the violent/terror attacks you mentioned and military/government training drills that were allegedly conducted on the same day.

Asking for proof in a conspiracy sub. Good luck.

People should do their own research. Being spoon-fed is part of the mentality that keeps people retarded.

People should do their own research. Being spoon-fed is part of the mentality that keeps people retarded.

Why bother with the drills though? If the attacks are orchestrated then drills would only draw attention to that fact and the government obviously wouldn't want to prepare authorities to respond to the attack and minimise damage otherwise they wouldn't orchestrate the attack in the first place.

I fear that for every 1 rare (And by rare I truly mean just that) coincidence that truly is just that coincidence , there is at least 10 that aren't that will be labeled as that anyway.

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This is my favorite response.

It's all an extension of the CIA's Operation CHAOS or similar projects.

Do you believe it is still focused on foreign influence as much as it was in the 60' and 70's, or that what ops are being carried out are much more focused on the domestic anti-war movement. I feel the latter is more probable considering the U.S. pretty much knows who its foreign enemies are and with the globalization and interconnectedness of the world, any foreign support is already known.

Well the purpose of CHAOS was mostly to sow discord and confusion in the US and specifically to infiltrate and neutralize the young anti-war movement. The official line is that the CIA was worried about "foreign influence" but what they were really worried about was the civilian population saying enough is enough and telling them to fuck off and get our people out of Vietnam.

To answer your question though, I think it's both and more. You can't underestimate the power and reach of the CIA and the rest of the western intelligence agencies. They have their dirty tentacles everywhere, in all fields, and they're probably running dozens of ops on us all as we speak right here and now. But I like to link it to Operation CHAOS because it's easier to put into context so that people understand because that's basically what the CIA is doing with all of its ops: spreading chaos and confusion and trying to prevent the people from realizing their/our own power.

I have only quickly read about it on my break, but it strikes a few bells. So, it wasn't just about monitoring and intel, it was a program to incite rebellion of sorts. That makes much more sense. "Foreign influence" was the face, that figures.

I've read it doesn't have a source, but are you aware of the validity of the William Casey quote regarding the CIA's mission?

Yes I am. "We will know our disinformation program is complete when everything the US public believes if false."

I know the quote is uncorroborated/unproven, but I would say that I've read enough about the CIA and William Casey to not doubt he said it. That is the agenda, at least one of the main ones. Edward Bernays realized a century ago that scared, confused people buy things. Happy, content people have no need for all the materialistic bullshit. And then add to this the fact that scared, confused people find it difficult to take meaningful action. They're given so many different perspectives, theories, ideas, conflicts, influences, agendas, ideologies, mindsets, etc. that they don't know down from up. And how can you take action in the real world when you aren't even sure what's happening in the real world? This is the main reason why the CIA has infiltrated the mainstream media and Hollywood/TV. Control what a person is exposed to and you can control what that person thinks about and, in turn, control what they're able (and unable) to actually do.

If you want to read about the CIA in detail, there are three books which I couldn't recommend high enough that I think all people should read: Legacy of Ashes, a big fat tome that looks like a Bible about the history of the CIA. Killing Hope, which is about the US being a "beacon of democracy" around the world (AKA it shows CIA covert involvement all over the planet over the decades). And the last one is called Inside the Company, which is a memoir written by a former high-ranking CIA agent whose conscience got the better of him and who exposes the inner workings and how everything in the intel agencies is linked.

EMT in Boston had new equipment to deal with mass trama from terrorist attacks, Newtown had donation websites up before shooting happened, etc.

Wtf? Source??

There is no reliable source because the Newtown thing is a false rumor that was spread on this sub and a few other places on the internet.

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I think that there are plenty of posts on this sub to be concerned about (example: surveillance). And there are also things on this sub to completely ignore (see: lizard people). It's up to the reader to filter out the junk

It was pointed out that the page was an edited page that wasn't really used for anything at the time. Unfortunately it's like when a news company publishes a retraction, a portion of those who read the pages don't get the follow up, lots will push what they originally saw.

What about r/actualconspiracy?

That's the problem when you don't buy the official stories, you get labelled as fringe no matter what.

Exactly. I'm pretty interested in some conspiracies but its hard to find anything with any logical backing on here. Only reason I'm still subbed is because of that 1 in a 1000 post on here that I'm both interested in and has any reasonable chance of being true.

Rule 10, only warning.

Don't forget about the racism!

The pages themselves are gone, all there was were screenshots. The Newtown donation was screencap that showed domain bought like 2 days before shooting. EMT was some kind of medical news site talking about use of new equipment less than 1 week of having it.

Hospitals buy new equipment all the time, and staff are trained all the time... This could easily be coincidence.

Buying a domain name is very specific however

Just energy radio just did an interview on YouTube by an author of a book staying this exact thing. His book published pictures.

well, domains being bought is easy to look up, does anyone know what the url of it was?

Obviously the government changed the buy date by now! /s

Or Mr. Godaddy is in on it!

I think it was the United Way that was up a day before the drill at Newton.

Whether you believe it or not, there at books written on this with pictures. Amazon took one down but people just went on the alternative circuit. I can't remember names but just energy radio just aired a podcast on youtube.

Why would they do that? Seems very illogical to me if they were the perpetrators

Let's not forget about the "Training Exercises" during 9/11...

And a trying before Sandy hook

Sources pls

Boston Marathon exercise: http://www.storyleak.com/dhs-boston-training-drill-backpack-explosives/

San Bernardino: http://www.vvng.com/vvc-alerts-public-to-upcoming-active-shooter-training/

Ty

Looks like the event went off without a hitch. Still think it's more than coincidence?

I was being sarcastic in my post - I don't believe the events I mentioned previously were coincidentally preceded by training exercises. I do, however, believe the the Boston Bombing was a botched job by the FBI. The bombs were never supposed to go off - the FBI was supposed to find them, find the brothers, and parade them around like "oooh, look what we managed to prevent!" in order to justify additional funding for the FBI.

</S> = Sarcasm

;)

I think its rather implied from the the fact that we're in /r/conspiracy

the sarcasm or the conspiracy? <\S>

And they were doing exercises with jets during 9/11. What was the exercise scenario? Terrorists hijacking airliners and running them into buildings.

Also the classic bush in the classroom where the kids are literally chanting "Planes hit steel." Nothing but a satanic ritual.

Satan is real folks.

Bless you all.

where the kids are literally chanting "Planes hit steel."

I'll take "Things that didn't happen" for $500 Alex.

http://youtu.be/rhWqfPeerbo this is what hes talking about. Theyre not really saying "plane hit steel" but it still is spooky nontheless

Holy shit that's fucked up!

Creepy as fuck.

OK that's amazing.

ok this deserves its own thread wow

Feel free to post it

I don't believe the government about 9/11, but this is just a coincident. Why would they get the kids to say something to do with the attacks. It makes no sense.

Yeah exactly. Theyre claiming its some satanic ritual, but i honestly think theyre not actually saying "planes" could be saying something similar and the person just added the subtitles

5 words

5 points on a star

What happens when you flip that star upside down? Pentagram.

What word has 5 letters? Yep, Satan.

Satan has 2 As and 3 distinct other letters.

23.

Jim Carrey did it.

Youve cracked the case!

The truth is a conspiracy of coincedences, it seems.

You should read "Secret Societies And Psychological Warfare" by Michael Hoffman II.

Then you will see why the children's invocation was important. In Masonic lore, you can kill anyone you want, as long as the right conditions are met and the killing is done in a certain way.

One thing is that the Mason must warn the person, by telling them they will be killed. Then the person is "fair game".

The chant may have been the official, formal announcement of the planes hitting the buildings.

When you read that book you will them understand that the occultist are always seeking to take man and transform him. They are usurping god and his plans and imposing thier own.

The impetus for the 9+11 attacks probably wasn't economical, military, political, but sorcerous

The impetus for the 9+11 attacks probably wasn't economical, military, political, but sorcerous

It was likely all of those and more. There is always more than one agenda, more than one goal, in play.

Until you consider it AS spirutual warfare, you're right, it makes no sense...

Get ready~

What I find weird about all that is the way she was teaching them. Never had an instructor talk to us like that.

Well have you ever had the president of the united states sitting next to your teacher while they teach?

I don't believe I have.

Remote control planes are referred to as "kite planes" b because they are flown like a kite. Thats why the kids chant/invocation includes "kite"! plane! Must! Hit! Steel!

Creepiest thing in the whole 9-11 saga, and leads credence to those that propose an occult, twylight language, witchraft, Masonic, mass mind control angle to the crime.

Denying a conspiratorial claim? You must be a shill!

Seriously though never heard this.

Edit: Everyone needs to watch that video below.

so many stoners

Just because they're out to get me doesn't mean I didn't smoke a joint.

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We don't need military to keep that place safe. You don't know a damn thing about rednecks do you?

I don't wanna be labeled a shill or some shit, but it's the biggest event in that state every year, especially this year. I'd expect some of this.

Most of Nascars fans are a bunch of rednecks whom has half a military family.

It's not Nascar.

Semantics. I guarantee you that every person there is a Nascar fan. Now quit arguing for the sake of it, you fucking shill.

What is that race?

Edit: I genuinely don't know, fellas. Not everyone lives in the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave.

I always wonder what these training exercises are training people to prevent.

I am more worried about , if people should be concerned about something happening there, in next few weeks/months.

Previous major incidents showed that any time something happens we usually find out that few week/months prior to that there were some exercises in that place.

Maybe this is just my impression though - not a fact or anything like that - I hope I am wrong.

I was thinking the same thing actually, keep a mental note of this and see if there is anything that happens there in the near future

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How long have you been following the undertow? There is very little chance correlating any of this unless it happens at the same time as something else or you know someone directly on the inside.

I'm not a naysayer, just being realistic.

Itll be as serious as Jade Helm.

As in, not at all.

Oh just lovely, i'm an Indianapolis resident

Stock up on food and water.

Really this is the most sensible reaction. Not much else you can do.

Take an extended vacation in another state could prove safer.

Yeah cause redditors don't have jobs lol

actually reddit is the place where most people go to escape their jobs or to distract themselves from whatever is keeping them at home (like illness, or whatever) through the day.

Well, when the alternate is certain death...

Who's death is certain in this scenario?

Everyone's death is certain eventually.

And bullets

i live one block from the hospital w.here the exercise took place. shit was scarey.

Would you mind giving a little of your first-hand experience? I'm genuinely curious.

well, there was a sudden rush of helicopters, black with red blinking lights...they were louder than the news helicopters i'm use too and way faster...they were swirling around, flying really low and close to the houses, circling the old hospital...my windows were rattling from the vibrations. i ran to look outside, the police had set up a road blockage at 13th and albany, in front of the hospital.... men started climbing down ropes on top of hospital., there were explosions that sounded kinda like 4th of july mortar shell but with a lower boom. strobe lights were going off inside the abandoned hospital so it looked extra creepy. some neighbors came outside, started looking up at the sky....the old guy across the street had his rifle. i ran inside in a panic, didn't know what the heck was going on...hopped on facebook, saw all the comments and then someone posted a screenshot from the mayor's personal facebook stating it was a "secret military training mission". a lot of people are pissed we weren't notified beforehand, and that it wasn't offically posted on the city's page, only those friends with the mayor on FB were privy to the info. later the local news sites posted that it was a train ing exercise that had been planned for months in advance.

The fact that they didn't effectively warn residents about being invaded like that is what really bugs me. They clearly had plenty of time to do so, but must have made the conscious decision not to, maybe for "super secret military reasons", or maybe just to prevent troublemakers from showing up to make trouble. Either way, I really question the methods used to come to the conclusion that the consequences of informing the residents outweighed those of not informing them. Your account of these events is exactly what I expected to hear. Your neighbors felt the need to bring out their guns after hearing what certainly sounded like a real invasion. That kind of experience can only be called terrorizing, and isn't the kind of thing a country that is so apparently concerned with mental health (especially combined with gun ownership) should be doing. I first thought of all the elderly combat veterans with aging, weakened hearts and other vitals who are a mere blood pressure spike away from death. That fact alone would be the first and only consequence I would need to make the decision to inform residents. I would be curious to see what the daily death records looked like for that day along with times and possibly even location to see if there was any correlation.

From watching TV, I figure the strobe lights were "flash bangs" - a kind of grenade thing where you disable the "enemy" with light and sound before you go in with guns.

I'd be pissed not to be notified too. What would they have done if your neighbor shot somebody? It would be really unfair to put a regular human into such a situation unprepared, and then hold them accountable criminally speaking.

I honestly doubt any hostile force on US soil would target Indianapolis, of all major cities...

sorry

They're targeting hearts and minds, not the city.

Do recall though that the 500 is the defining Event of the Year and the cameras are always rolling during the 500, right?

Plus Eli Lilly drugs as a spoil of war...

Rip in peace . Jk , I hope everything's okay in the next few days .

CA resident and Theyve been preparing us for a gaint earthquake here , I guess we just have to wait till they're ready to cash out on that sweet insurance money

You have to prep for a big quake in CA because the state is sitting on a massive, ACTIVE fault line. That is called science and sense, not a conspiracy.

Oh I agree . I'm just sure it will happen, I just don't think it'll be due to natural causes.

What tool or tactic will be used to set off the San Andreas Fault?

If I knew that , I'd probably be on a list. It's just a personal belief :)

okay, i don't think this will put you on a list because it's not uncommon knowledge.

https://www2.usgs.gov/faq/node/3339 <-- a paper titled: Can nuclear explosions cause earthquakes?

On January 19, 1968, a thermonuclear test, codenamed Faultless, took place in the Central Nevada Supplemental Test Area. The codename turned out to be a poor choice of words because a fresh fault rupture some 1200 meters long was produced. Seismographic records showed that the seismic waves produced by the fault movement were much less energetic than those produced directly by the nuclear explosion.

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The possibility of large Nevada Test Site nuclear explosions triggering damaging earthquakes in California was publicly raised in 1969. As a test of this possibility, rate of earthquake occurrence in northern California (magnitude 3.5 and larger) and the known times of the six largest thermonuclear tests (1965-1969) were plotted and it was obvious that no peaks in the seismicity occur at the times of the explosions. This is in agreement with theoretical calculations that transient strain from underground thermonuclear explosions is not sufficiently large to trigger fault rupture at distances beyond a few tens of kilometers from the shot point.

I personally believe there's life on other planets, but I'm not counting on Randy Quaid to save me from bad ones. :P

Hugo Chavez went around accusing the US of having an Earthquake weapon ~2010... we don't, it was just a bad time to be in Haiti.

Lol, I don't disagree with you on life on other planets :) I wouldn't believe Chavez anyways , but if weather modification is a thing , "natural" disasters don't seem so far fetched to me. But I have no proof not have I done much research to be honest so it's just an idea I have :)

I'm a California resident too and, to be honest, it is very unlikely that the government is going to purposely set off the San Andreas Fault to collect... insurance money? Bush and his administration did it with the WTC but that's a building, not a geographical landmark half the size of a state.

On the other hand I do think weather modification is within the power of the US government. HAARP is the name of such government entity.

Well what would you think of a catastrophe to validate our future president whomever that may be . Do you think it'd be plausible to use an internal issue as the earthquake would be and have a "knight in shining armor" come in with aid to boost ratings since none of the candidates are popular (I know this strays from my "insurance collection" comment lol)

Yeah I get your reasoning, that all seems like something that a powerful entity would do, I just think its a bit of a stretch to assume our government has the power to jumpstart an Earthquake. But honestly, who knows... Nikola Tesla once created an "earthquake machine" that shook the building he was in. When he went to shut it off, it wouldn't stop, so he smashed it with a hammer. When he died on US soil and the FBI seized all of his files, I'm sure they found blueprints for it. 70 years later, I wouldn't be very surprised if they had developed a more powerful version of it.

So, on second though, I guess it may not seem so far fetched...

That sounds like an interesting story . I'll have to look it up after work :D

Railguns are a thing. Earthquake weapons are not. Cloud seeding is not. Breaking a dam is the closest thing to a 'natural disaster causing weapon' there is.

Unless you mean underground nukes, which are nukes, not magic tectonic displacement units...

Last time I checked nukes are man made , so what difference does the method for causing an earthquake make if the end result is an earthquake . Arguing for the sake of arguing is pointless .

There's a huge difference between "mysterious earthquake technology" and a nuke.

With a nuke and a drill, the threat is quantifiable. The technology is limited to certain groups. There are a million certain considerations, from location to expense, and all can be evaluated. And logically we can extrapolate motive. And such forth.

If we can't find evidence or even make an educated guess as to why anyone would pay the billions it would cost for an attack like that, then it's the height of absurdity to play Chicken Little about earthquake weapons and stir simpler folk into a frenzy.

I love that you are going to get a pass on this batshit insanity because you end with :)

Because I won't get riled up when someone questions a belief/idea that I don't really have proof for ? Nah that'd be silly . Discussing things is good . It's just a hunch really .

We need more like you and less like /u/sometimesineedhelp honestly. Good, healthy conversation is something this sub is missing. Basically every thread turns into an argument where no one ends up getting their point across.

Everyone's got there own conspiracy theories and who are we to tell them they're wrong.

Good, healthy conversation is something this sub is missing

I think every sub is missing that , but people here tend to witch hunt automatically or berate you for an opposing view which is really a shame. We all open our minds up a little more when we hear what others have to say , it's how it works , the world if a large place learn as much as you can.

underground nuclear detonations feel like earthquakes, right?

edit: and they can actually create faultlines. https://www2.usgs.gov/faq/node/3339

What is gained, and by what entity, by intentionally setting off the fault and with that particular tool?

May I pet his kitty?

My dong hitting the floor

Does the terrible thing not normally happen during the "training exercise"?

Like the London 7 July bombings. And 9/11.

EDIT: Forgot the quote marks.

Great point all forgot. People, these gubmint folk recruit some of the smartest people around. Of course some are idiots (listening TSA?) but I assure you that I speak the truth. CIA alone gets a big percentage of these folk by simple on-campus recruiting. Ug.

Most are hyper-intelligent and they go out of their way to doggedly pursue a case for years or decades!

Invariably there are many alcoholic retired guys (and gals) at the end of the line to show for it.

I an alcoholic, we don't all work for the CIA

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I try to edit my shit. And, I do. But, how do you make it appear lower with the explanation? I'm on a Kindle Fire if that make a difference. 3 years and still a noob...

Haha, I click the 'edit' button (I'm on Reddit Is Fun android app, might be called something different on the main site!) and then change the content of the message. Then I type 'EDIT' and the reason for it. So that bit is added manually, but is considered good comment etiquette in most places.

The mark showing that the comment has been edited only shows after about 3-5 mins or so, so if you edit it within that window, you could do so without leaving a reason, but unless you're doing it maliciously, you could just as easily put a reason!

Thanks for eli5!

Maybe this is just my impression though - not a fact or anything like that

The mantra of this entire sub

well we are discussing topics that have little evidence. putting the pieces together is part of the puzzle. thus, a just mantra.

we are discussing topics that have little evidence

There's a reason for that

How vague and ominous, the depth of your knowledge is astounding. Dare I ask, what reason?

Discussion BAD memes GOOD

All of Indy will be packed with people this weekend for the 500. The airport will probably be a nightmare of congestion too.

Fucking great I'll be working the NHRA Drag Races there in a few months.

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Previous major incidents showed that any time something happens we usually find out that few week/months prior to that there were some exercises in that place.

Isn't that possibly just because some sort of training exercise is pretty much always happening in various places? There could be an attack in hundreds of places in the next month that also happened to have some sort of military or police training in the weeks prior.

I always wonder what these training exercises are training people to prevent.

"Conditioning" FTFY.

"Look, peasants, we just blew 2 million dollars in chopper fuel and man hours on a frivolous and intimidating exercise in your own backyard. Your tax money well spent on our ego trip regardless ... and there's fuck all you can do about it. It's a big club, but you ain't in it. We're here for your fucking freedumbs and shit, so back off right now!"

What aspect of running drills do you need explained to you? I can help.

Drills like these are more about a show of force to the citizenry than they are about training. The personnel involved have already been well trained. Sure, it helps to do a real life exercise. But more importantly the general public is shown the power of their military - should they ever consider rising against it. It's much like the military parades in Russia or North Korea. It is also similar to governments' torturing people. That is NEVER about garnering actionable intelligence. It is ALWAYS about showing the people what their government is capable of, so do not even think about a possible uprising. It has been this way throughout the ages. It is no coincidence torture was brought back into the mainstream by W et al at a time when dissidence is at an all time high. And then there's the high tech surveillance systems. Again, not to thwart terrorism, but to identify pockets of dissent. They want to know from where the pitchforks are coming.

I offered to explain, I definitely do not need it explained to me.

And definitely not from InfoWars.

Yes, sir. Sorry, sir. Infowars. lol

The whole running and drills part. Running with drills is hazardous you know.

You'll take your eye out!

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I've read these exact words before.

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You know, that's kinda assault bro.

no? huh

It was [removed] and actually threatening someone with the capability to do what you are saying is assault.

"those poor people and millions of homeless in america? yeah well we could help them, or could send the tax dollars to violent islamic headchoppers known as Saudis instead, wouldn't that be better?"

Need that oil for our choppers! Need their cooperation to keep the petrodollar afloat, need them to buy arms from the military industrial complex we've heavily invested in! Need them funding our political elite, who pay me muh royal salary package and give me muh shiny uniform ... Bitches love money, bitches love uniforms! Daddy's a hero and shit!

Or those 100 warheads hiding allies of them across the Sinai, who've fomented wars with every single nation in the region and are the proud operators of the biggest concentration camp in the world everyone loves to forget about. We will defend the interests of the ZOG-machine too, peasants! Iran doesn't have any nukes, but we'll cripple and nuke 'em anyway. Because those poor Holocaust victims said so and I say so too, you anti-semite neonazi murderer!

Fuck your morals, fuck your cognitive dissonance, fuck the long term consequences for future generations ... Daddy's a war hero regardless: get to say what'll go into history anyway, what'll be perverted, what'll be omitted and what'll be illegal to even mention!

This couldn't be more true.

You think the military running around to everyone's house in Boston, breaking in, taking people's guns all for the sake of "finding a terrorist" was accidental?

You think the military doing the same thing after Hurricane Katrina was just an accident? Instead of helping people they bust into people's houses, even houses which were perfectly fine, kicked the owners out and took their guns.

All conditioning. Conditioning for what though?

For when massive civil unrest comes to this nation.

Did you know that in a state of emergency that our government allows the use of Russian and Chinese troops to pass through our land and disarm citizens? Yup.

People think it could never happen, but movies, music videos, these false flags, it's all conditioning you.

God bless you all.

Did you know that in a state of emergency that our government allows the use of Russian and Chinese troops to pass through our land and disarm citizens? Yup.

Of all the nonsense I've seen in this sub & thread, this more than any other: [CITATION NEEDED]

Please bring a few, it'll be easy to tear down the first one from Google.

There are possibly more crazy gun owners in America than in their armies, combined. Tell them to start in North Carolina and move through Tennessee and Kentucky. Between crazy rednecks, bootleggers, militias, and civil war reenactors, there would be like 4 of them left. I'm not even talking about Pittsburgh or Chicago, they would be limping out broke and confused, if at all. The South WILL rise again. Good luck with Texas, too.

I believe it. The U.S. military taken down by Kentucky. That's when they'll need to let the Chinese in for back up. Just wait till they get to Texas though. Not even having extra Russians can stop Texas.

Whoa I guess I should have added an /s

I believe it. The U.S. military taken down by Kentucky. That's when they'll need to let the Chinese in for back up. Just wait till they get to Texas though. Not even having extra Russians can stop Texas.

it's more a matter of "how many of them will fight americans"

it's honestly hard enough to keep the military willing to fight and prevent them from becoming totally demoralized while fighting foreign brown people who don't speak english, imagine the suicide rate increase when they're being sicked on people in their own country.

american servicemen are already literally lighting themselves on fire in front of their local VA in protest, and they aren't even being used like that yet. more of them commit suicide every year than anything else.

There are possibly more crazy gun owners in America than in their armies, combined

Over 2 million in Chinese army alone not including reserves. Even 50,000 Troops would be enough to disarm and disorganised and unready population. Media blackout + nighttime raids on the most populous centres would be done fairly quickly imo. It's the lack of organisation and communications networks (That aren't completely monitored) that would be the problem.

if you think pittsburgh you're crazy... do you even know the pa gun laws or are you just naming a city you don't like? Pennsylvania has a strong Castle Doctrine law, it doesn’t restrict tactical firearms, and all NFA items are available

I was saying good luck to a foreign army thinking they would skate through. Hey, I'm Florida and everyone I know has guns here too.

I don't know if his claim is true or not but I do know we have an extremely similar agreement with Canada. I obviously don't believe it states the purpose is to disarm citizens - it's much more broad than that. But it certainly gets to the idea of outsourcing something us troops might not be relied upon to enact on fellow citizens, and vice versa.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/north-american-military-agreement-signed-by-the-u-s-and-canada/8551

Edit: Archived link from .mil source that was later taken down https://web.archive.org/web/20080314195247/http://www.northcom.mil/News/2008/021408.html

Canada is an ally; Russia and China are not only not allies, but antagonists.

You can't extrapolate those oranges from that apple.

Do you have a source on Russians or Chinese having legal authority from the US Gov't to disarm Americans?

You know I don't because I already said I don't even know if that's true... I'm not trying to prove that nor extrapolate that. Just saying the concept of using foreign troops for civil purposes domestic troops may not be relied upon exists, and is law. And I think that was the more prudent part of his claim, not what troops are used.

Unless you're arguing that martial law in itself is the problem, in which case you'd have to be more specific.

In the wake of mass hysteria, a disciplined force maintaining order for a short time is a completely valid and time-proven necessity to maintain civilization.

And yes, there is a however: that disciplined force must disperse when the hysterics have calmed down.

But, again, this is a completely separate discussion from there being a legal document behind this absurd claim about Russia/China. Because there simply is not one.

I'm not arguing anything, I'm not looking for an argument here at all though you seem to be hell bent on one. I'm not even the one making the claims you're disputing. My comment was only to point out the shred of reality behind the spirit of what the guy posted - never even claimed to agree with the guy. But in the broader context of what he said - foreign agreements and planning for civil unrest - there's an element of truth to it. Never even said whether I agreed with it or not. Stop trying so hard to get into disputes with people, your pseudointellectual superiority complex is showing

Except there is no shred of reality, no credibilty to that claim, and that's the reason I'm making a point of it.

There are actual, legitimate things accurately labeled "conspiracy" but there's these chemtrail Jade Helm nonsense peddlers like that guy and their defenders like you who spread this utter nonsense.

If you don't wanna catch flak for that, don't do it and jaded assholes like me won't have to tell you each reason why you're wrong. Kinda simple.

Though you're still completely missing my point and apparently being intentionally obtuse to double down, I don't mind "catching flak." I feel sorry for you. Your entire post history is being confrontational on reddit. What a hobby. You seem like a miserable person seeking some sort of validation. This isn't the way to find it. People disagreeing with you isn't that serious.

That's called a slippery slope fallacy. Just because there has been martial law used at some point and will likely be necessary again does not mean that the US has a binding resolution to turn over civilians to Chinese/Russian military on US soil. Think about how absurd that sounds for a moment.

No nation is truly an ally to the citizens of another. They are allied with the American government and military.

Sure, and the economy is just a mutual social delusion we all participate in - except, twist, only the billionaire bourgeoisie's actually participate and the rest of us serve the corporate oligarchs... And there's maybe 10 other one-liners like that I remember from high school.

But, if for no other reason other than for simplicity in conversation, they're functionally as allied as any one nation is to another. So let's not split hairs on all that edge.

I suppose... Wouldn't say that the economy is a social delusion, but it's definitely much further out of reach from non-billionaires than from billionaires. They have the power and bank accounts to actually make things happen on a macroeconomic level. That's basically what the stock market is. So, yeah you're right if I'm understanding you correctly, but so am I. There's not much room for absolutes in the inner workings of politics and economics.

Also, splitting hairs is the essence of a person who questions authority and the status quo. Plus, it's entertaining to discuss possibilities and whatnot.

the economy is just a mutual social delusion we all participate in - except, twist, only the billionaire bourgeoisie's actually participate and the rest of us serve the corporate oligarchs

This whole sentence is a string of buzzwords put together in roughly the right way to form a semicoherent thought. I didn't bother including proletariat and such because I thought it'd be too on the nose for tongue-in-cheek. There's something kinda Zen about finding meaning in jargonbabble though.

To 'correct' someone by qualifying "not the US, it's the US Government" is not splitting hairs, it's pedantic. Let's be honest here.

Also, a skeptic isn't a skeptic simply because they split hairs or question authority. Except on reddit, of course. A parrot can ask questions, skepticism implies a certain level of learning.

And for the opinion portion, possibilities are fun to discuss around the proper framework. if we're just popping off any crazy thing, then my spitball is Trump bailing out to secure a Clinton nomination.

If we're talking about things within the context of realism, then a Russian/Chinese directive to secure US civilians on US soil is absolutely not such a thing and should be derided for the absurdity it is. It belongs in the category of Trump seceding / conceding to Clinton. Which is why I commented in the first place.

I agree.

But I think that Trump conceding to Clinton is something that might actually happen. They met several times before the election and they've long been known as very close friends. Trump was a registered democrat until two years ago. I'm sure you know this.

again, this belongs in the "absolutely absurd" pile.

Since Trump has the election pretty much locked up, there is no reason for him to sign it over. He gains far more as POTUS himself than as Friend of POTUS. Not only is it obviously and objectively against his own interest, but it would go against every bit of character he has ever shown for him to step down now.

Without evidence that this might be the case, we may as well wipe our asses and post the letters inscribed on the TP for all the validity the suggestion has. Same as the Russia/China thing, total toilet paper.

You have to consider that there may be something much better than POTUS on the table for him if he steps down... we never know. but whatever I'm done talking about this, really just speculating for shits and giggles.

For fucks sake dude, come on...

What could possibly benefit him more than the highest legal office in the most powerful country in history?

Can you name one thing Clinton could offer him that he doesn't have or won't get by being POTUS himself?

lizard genes? haha

edit: I don't know maybe they have nuclear codes or something

She'd give him nukes? He would get his own, the President infamously has the Football.

M Night Shyamalan would write Trump playing the long con, The ol' Professit Snaperoo. Trump agrees to the Clinzard plan, but actually garners enough of the leaded-gasoline victim vote to steal the election legitimately and defeat the Scientologists forever.

Bullshitting is really easy.

There is zero chance our government would use an army of fucking chinamen to disarm us. This is the stupidest shit I've ever read.

They already have in two scenarios, maybe not as big of a scale, buts happened in the past.

The Chinese army has disarmed American citizens at the behest of the US Government? Please go on, I'd love a good laugh today.

Um, well, this isn't exactly unheard of.

Read if you like before that good laugh

So the Chinese army did a joint military exercise with our army, like we do with pretty much every other advanced military in the world regularly. I must have missed the part in the article where it says they confiscated civilian weapons at the behest of the US government.

You're missing the overarching implications of practices like this, but that's cool. No one from another country is confiscating weapons from US citizens, but if it ever happens I can guarantee you that the confiscators will be people who are not from this country.

Thanks for conceding the point.

Did you know that in a state of emergency that our government allows the use of Russian and Chinese troops to pass through our land and disarm citizens? Yup.

Seems like reasonable protocol if it's used with reasonable justification.

The problem is that you seem to be implying that this protocol is inherently dysfunctional/counterproductive/malicious. I'm not saying it can be, I'm just saying that if I were a country that had my populations interest at hand, then if they all go berserk then I'd want help disarming them however I can get it.

You're high as a kite.

Why the fuck would we let our "leaders", who allegedly work for us, bring in foreign troops to calm us down when our "leaders" go off the reservation?

Get your mind examined you dumb ass.

That's the thing though. You said it yourself. Who allegedly work for us. All this time it's been alleged.

I guess what I'd be asking myself is, have these people ever really worked for us? Deep down I don't know if I could answer that, at least not right now these days and at least not positively. The matter of whether or not we would 'let' our leaders get away with this or that, today is a moot point. They've already gotten away with all they need to. We are not an obstacle to them, not anymore. I would love to hear your perspective on this though.

I agree with your fear that they might be/are running the show. We need to take the whole thing back. And hopefully that starts with Trump, but if it doesn't, we need to fire him and fire up something else. We're either getting more or less free every day. We need to make it the former, always.

Jenny's father was a very loving man.

Jerry was a race car driver 22 years old Had one too many cold beers one night And wrapped himself around a telephone pole.

Wynona's got a big brown beaver.

My name is Mud!

What does Primus have to do with anything that has been mentioned here?

Absolutely nothing, but Primus makes things better.

Primus sucks.

Your name is mud

I love when "Primus Sucks" gets downvoted. Can't downvote us in the pit when Les is on stage chanting it with us B-)

Gave you back your upvote.

People think it don't be like it is...but it do.

I second that. Never got into any of those shit bands that were so popular like Tool , or Pearl Jam , or primus. They all sound too mainstream and clean.

If you knew, then you would know about Primus sucking. Les Claypool is one of the most talented bass players ever. To see them play live is something to be seen. How/what he actually does to make those sounds...it's pretty cool.

One too many Camparis

http://www.campari.com/

Jerry was a race car driver, he drove so god damn fast

Should we mention Sargent Baker next?

Jerry must really like telephone poles.

Yup. These guys have GOT to prepare for the worst to keep 300,000 people safe.

They're preparing for civil unrest.

Be careful, many people talk about "civil unrest" in fundamentally similar ways that people talk about a divine apocalypse. They always think it's about to happen for some insufficient reasoning, and it never does.

I'm not saying it can't happen, and I'm not saying that it's impossible that the present isn't the likeliest time for it to happen. I'm just saying be careful justifying your reasoning. I find that this subreddit often blows paranoia out of proportion to reality.

there's already plenty of civil unrest, it's just mainly contained to the poor in the inner cities, currently (as well as the occasional redneck squad), sometimes some student protesters who get beaten by cops or killed by the army(eg Kent State protests), etc.

I find that most people don't have a realistic or reasonable understanding of the state of society. there's always social unrest, right now there's little enough that it's controllable using cops and prisons.

You better hope it happens sooner rather than later.

Just like the aftermath of the Boston bombing. It is a drill to get people used to military and/or police lockdowns of a full city. They want to test what the people will do when they take over and lockdown all the city streets, and get the people used to it happening at some point in the future. I think.

I've personally been part of training exercises with medivacs n shit to train up marines for mass casualty chemical attacks from a sports stadium.

They aren't training to "prevent" anything. They are training for their action plan in an emergency situation.

a similar one happend in kingsville texas some years back also in an abandoned hospital, there are videos of blackhawk helicopters and people repelling.

Forest fires...

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about how effective we all are.

the military bosses are pretty effective at wasting money, time, and american lives in pointless wars that they lose anyway due to absurdly poor leadership, for sure

I always wonder if it has to do with revolutions and training troops to subdue them.

They are training to prevent civil uprising.

I think that's kinda the point right? Preparing for what you don't know? Not exactly like you can prepare for every single exact situation.

"PREVENT"

""""Training Exercise""""

I air-quoted so hard my fingers broke

In all seriousness what else do you think it would have been?

An old hospital would be perfect context for training irregular urban warfare, but of course this is r/conspiracy so any usual explanation is rejected. Bracing for downvotez from all the "truth seekers".

Edit: to those who think the army would do "live fire" here - they don't even do that on base besides in one or two set aside and regulated buildings that are consistently tested for wall durability. They would be using blanks or rubber bullets. I would put a hefty sum that they were practicing multi-level room clearning, hostage extraction, etc.

Seriously what else could people possibly think was happening? Government uses buildings like this for training all the time...

Even prior to major events, it's called emergency preparedness. People are really out of the loop if they don't know the government plans for things going wrong during events so they have some what of an idea of what to do.

Also publicly practicing an attack on citizens immediately before you do the attack would be the dumbest possible thing you could do. That's like a bank robber going to a bank the day before he robs it with a wooden gun, no mask and practice robbing it for the cameras.

(((training exercise)))

Nothing to see here, silly goyim! Just your friendly-neighbourhood trillion dollar zionist death squads doing their job!

Yep, it was totally the Zionists. What perfect insight.

Too anti Semitic?

There is a link between the driving hand, and the trigger finger.

0p

The fuck are you on about? *That's some nice downvoting fellas, keep it coming. Pour it on with some of your paranoid racism.

tame your spray douche nozzle.

Username checks out...

The military has these type of drills all the time and they often perform them in residential neighborhoods because that more closely resembles the realities of modern combat.

I recall the marines doing exercises in some abandoned housing projects, back in 2006-2007. This went on for two to three weeks to prep new pilots for urban combat. Cobra attack helos doing strafing runs (no live fire), Blackhawks dropping armed squads and F-15s flying orbits. This was every damn night for about three hours in a very busy residential neighborhood. Of course, we were given warning of what was going on, due to the length of time.

In fact, they just had more helo exercises last month, in another part of town. This was only a couple of evenings, though, and no warning was given.

Of course, something strange could be afoot but given my experience with several of these events, and the lack of any significant event following them, I'd be inclined to believe the official story this time. I will keep this in mind, though, shoudl anything happen.

Was gonna post something similar about how training like this is a pretty common occurrence. I used to be in the air force as a fire fighter and we did numerous off base exercises with various agencies, not only because we might not have the vehicleas, equipment, or anything like that but we might not even have the necessary building setup to accommodate such training. The other big thing to remember is training like this can be required to maintain certain certs as well.

I remember one time we were conducting an off base exercise with the county haz mat team that myself and two others were also on. We rolled out with pretty much all our haz mat gear and arrived at the location to find a massive staging area with an even larger area cordoned off as the cold, warm, and hot zones. Thing is the off base agencies are in charge of telling the communities about this and this time they didn't really alert anyone. So part of the way through suddenly news teams are showing up, crowds are gathering, and no one really knows what we're doing and why. Some started thinking there had been an attack or they were in danger when that couldn't have been further the truth.

Heck some of my vehicle licensing had to be done off base because we didn't have what we needed to properly test someone.

They do this every year or so in Broward County Florida

Why else would they do this every year or so? That's because every year we are on verge of societal revolt and collapse! Just like every year it is supposed to be the Biblical Apocalypse.

Or maybe these really are just normal drills that warrant no paranoia or suspicion, and OP just doesn't understand why these things happen?

Yes, maybe all that and more. Or maybe none of that.

Do you think I was implying something? Because I wasn't. I was stating that they do this same shit near me on a regular basis.

Lol how ignorant... just look at how many times the exact same thing happens they were 'training' for: https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2015/11/21/training-exercises-dovetail-with-mass-shootings/

Curious -- would there be any grounds here for violations of the 3rd amendment (e.g., peaceful enjoyment of your private home disrupted due to military exercises)?

You raise an interesting point that I hadn't considered before. u/Meyerd is likely correct and I suspect any noise complaints would fall on deaf ears, since any agency that could act on a complaint would be the same one that authorized the training, in the first place. Though I will say that, at least in my case, the aircraft observed municipal quite times and cleared out before 10PM.

Also, in my case and the one in Indy, with the use of abandoned properties that were likely built with federal funds, the military might not even need municipal approval. The whole operation could fall under something relative to eminent domain.

This is all speculation pulled directly out of my ass, mind you. I'm no constitutional scholar.

No, they're not quartering anyone.

because that more closely resembles the realities of modern combat.

Yes, Indianapolis is JUST like the Middle East.

You'd be surprised how many areas resemble the Middle East. They do have modern cities over there. The buildings may look different but the basics are the same. That, and a lot of training isn't just for Middle East fighting. The military still has to be good at modern urban fighting at any moment in case of a more conventional war.

right, cause that's exactly what he said. i'm sure you have a much better solution too!

Yeah, I do: not having a fucking active military.

Yes, because that is JUST what he said.

You're fucking useless, see?

You're fucking useless, see?

Remarks like these are just comment litter.

In qualitatively modded subreddits, your comment would be deleted because it includes a useless assertion that's shamefully immature and counterproductive. Let's just see how qualitatively substantial this subreddit is, depending on whether or not your comment stays.

A real mark of intelligence would be to express the sentiment that BlackStarPrince's comment was naive, without resorting to expressing it in the form of "you're fucking useless! see!" There are plenty of ways to express that in a mature and consequently productive manner--however, such ways require the intelligence to be able to do so.

I mean, let's just compare and contrast your comment with BlackHawksHockey's response.

You'd be surprised how many areas resemble the Middle East. They do have modern cities over there. The buildings may look different but the basics are the same. That, and a lot of training isn't just for Middle East fighting. The military still has to be good at modern urban fighting at any moment in case of a more conventional war.

or,

Yes, because that is JUST what he said. You're fucking useless, see?

Out of these two comments, which one is useless? Ironically, it's the one that asserts someone else is useless.

I'm aware of what I'm doing

Even though I disagree with you, I agree about this. Fuck /u/Seakawn. We can do and say whatever we want. Expression is an intrinsic part of the human experience. Right or wrong doesn't fucking matter, it's getting across how we, the individual not collectively we, think and feel. Being corrected about our beliefs, or learning a different viewpoint comes after.

It's been a long running local conspiracy theory that the nearby Beech Grove Amtrak service terminal is actually a concentration camp. This should give the yokels some new conversation fodder.

Yep. That's been the rumor for years. There used to be some grainy YouTube footage of mass plastic coffins housed there if I remember right.

Ah yes, I remember that. And the reflective stickers on the back of road signs.

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I first heard the theory about 20 years ago. Supposedly, The different reflective stickers were used as markers to guide FEMA soldiers to specific areas. Color coded for "kill zones" and the like. They were on the backs of the signs so that troops could see them on the opposite side of the road, but they weren't obvious to motorists.

Tl;dr I grew up in a Podunk town in Indiana.

Heard a different theory also about 20-25 years ago, from our local "militia", that those reflective stickers were a code for the new state/region layouts for when the New World Order took over.

the funny thing is that those militia nuts don't understand the terms they use, here's a fun and informative video about it from our friends at rapnews/thejuicemedia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4nSjPdT788

they are the people they're afraid of, gets good halfway through.

This is the video I have talked about on here before where in the 2000's the videos said it was a camp Bush was building, but after 2008 it was a camp Obama was building.

And nobody had a link to that video.

I grew up in Indy. A friend of mine from elementary through high school, whose dad is a psychiatrist in Indy, said his dad used to hear many stories about the BG Amtrak from his patients, and some of the crazy stuff that goes on there. Unfortunately, I don't remember anything specific.

settle down fellas - probably training for a mass casualty event in case something happens this weekend. Sometimes a pencil is just a pencil.

Maybe it identifies as a pen

That pen/pencil has the right to identify as a stick.

It prefers the pronouns "bic" and "inkjoy" shitlord.

Triggering so hard right now.

If it quacks like a pencil we're in trouble.

settle down, statist apologist

They did this shit in Miami a few years ago. Now it's time for the heartland to get their training. [(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri9ioCbqJCU)]

that video disappeared quickly!

[(http://www.theindychannel.com/news/call-6-investigators/beech-grove-residents-awoken-by-booms-gunshots)]

Luckily they found some rube to interview that now feels "safer" after learning it was a "training" exercise.

phew! Thanks harry, I feel safer now too, ^{and I'm in Australia lol}

That's crazy! I've read on the internet that everything in Australia wants to kill you even Skippy the kangaroo.

skippy's dead, TF, he was a murderous little fuck!

What does "TF" stand for?

Thank fuck

What does that mean?

TF

Beautifully specific.

Thank Fuck

k thx

Flipper was probably the murderer.

That link is 404

Edit: http://www.theindychannel.com/news/call-6-investigators/beech-grove-residents-awoken-by-booms-gunshots

Thanks.

I didn't get to see it! Any one have a mirror?

you really suck at markup

Better that than dicks.

What's wrong with sucking dicks?

Nothing if you're receiving.

So if you ever find a woman who will suck your dick then there's something wrong with her -- for doing something to make you feel good? You must have very little respect for women.

I have very little respect for some men too. Your move.

So you have little respect for women and some men. Still makes you a misogynist.

I don't identify as a misogynist, I'm a moonbeam.

You said the dispatchers didn't know what was going on. This all seems a little shady to me. This article says that the police were going door to door. But apparently most people said they never received any type of warning.

The ABC 6 news reporter in the video linked above, Eric Cox, said 911 dispatch was unaware when they (local News 6) called...

• "feel a little safer"
• "Beech Fork Police told me they did put forth an effort to inform the public about the training session before; saying they sent their officers door to door, knocking on residents homes letting them know what would be happening this overnight."
• "They also said they contacted the local dispatcher, to inform them, that if any callers called in about this, to let them know everything was going to be okay."
• "But when our own New 6 Investigates Team dialed the dispatch line and spoke with someone on the other end, they said they had no idea what was going on in Beech Grove."

It makes zero sense to me for them to be doing a training exercise at night there without seriously properly giving notice to all the residents. It makes even less sense to use an old hospital that's in a populated areas. I've never seem anything like this in my life. I would think that they had an actual target that they hit. To pit that many civilians at risk with the half dozen helicopters and the explosions. It's just to much risk for way to little reward.

It's almost as if we aren't being told the full story.......

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your intent behind that remark. But if not, let me express that it's also almost as if there's potentially a reasonable explanation to this story that would make those of us here who don't form opinions without sufficient reasoning to realize, "oh, this is why this happened, for these reasons, that makes sense. This wasn't a suspicious story after all, it was just an event that had productive value."

Be careful to make sure that you're considering that. Most front page posts I see from this sub are full of people who don't even take that potential into consideration--the potential that their paranoia isn't based in reality.

You're right, I do tend to err on the side of cynicism. I think it's best to adopt an agnostic approach to conspiracy topics: there's really no way to "prove" whether they are true or not, because even if evidence exists your average schmo like you and me wouldn't have access to it, and if we did we'd probably end up dead anyway. So really the whole thing is just for entertainment purposes.

for them to be doing a training exercise at night there without seriously properly giving notice to all the residents.

So you are surprised someone fucked up and didn't communicate properly? This is the military. Not surprised at all. Shit happens dude.

It makes even less sense to use an old hospital that's in a populated areas.

As opposed to all the empty hospitals in the country? Where do you expect them to do training?

The military doesn't train to fight against countries. They train to fight terrorists, which utilize buildings like hospitals, as strongholds.

Don't be surprised when you see people practicing insertions.

I've never seem anything like this in my life.

That doesn't mean shit. I bet you've never seen a city destroyed by war, yet I have. Does that mean my experience doesn't exist because you haven't seen it? That is nonsense.

I would think that they had an actual target that they hit.

It's called training. Do you expect them to blow it up?

To pit that many civilians at risk with the half dozen helicopters and the explosions. It's just to much risk for way to little reward.

On every single military base, around the US, you will see planes/helo's constantly flying around the population, or some sort of training going on. Sometimes I can even hear military personnel firing their weapons at the range. Does this mean I should be scared?

Near an Army base? You'll hear arty fire ALL THE FUCKING TIME.

Near an Air Force base? You're gonna hear jets/planes non fucking stop.

Near a Naval base? No clue. I don't know shit about the Navy.

Near a Marine base? No fucking clue. Probably a lot of grunting and yelling.

More importantly, I think it is important for people to remember that the military has too train. You train how you fight.

Get over it and put your big boy pants on, because we live in a new world.

I'm assuming you are or were in the military (obviously not the Marines or Navy) and you bring up some very good and realistic points. I still have trouble believing this was a legitimate training exercise, but I your blunt response should be more appreciated and I hope you don't get down voted by the circlejerk horde.

I'm inclined to presume that a subreddit of this nature will naturally attract people who are often unjustifiably paranoid, even to the point of mental disorders.

But I feel better when I hope that, rather, it's just full of young people who have yet to mature their critical thinking skills.

It doesn't make sense to hold a training exercise in an environment like that. The risk well out weigh the rewards. Military units that have the mission capacity to do training raids on a hospitals are also units that get quite a bit of funding. From my experiences if the military wanted to raid a bigger building they would build a mock building somewhere private and secure.

Why doesn't it? Abandoned buildings are perfect for practicing room clearing, building sweeps, and urban training plus you usually don't have to pay for it. An abandoned hospital would be no different, police, fire, and military use abandoned or condemned places all the time, especially right before they get knocked down.

Hi there, guy from an US Air Force base :)

Usually before an exercise of this type, the news media/citizens are INFORMED BEFORE HAND.

This is highly unusual.

Maybe not in YOUR version of America, though.

Keep fighting the good fight, and God bless our keyboard commandoes.

I spent a good chunk of time in 10th group at Ft. Carson. I have deployed quite a few times to with OIF/OEF. So yes I've seen my fair share and of fucked up shit. I grew up in military towns, I spent a big chunk of my life in the military, and I currently live in a big military town. I have never seen anything like this. I know for a fact that if the military wants to conduct training they will build what they need. They are not going to take any risks in an area where civilians are present especially with a low flying helicopter. A crash in a area like that would be catastrophic. Yes I see Black Hawks and other helicopters flying around multiple times a day but not low flying where they would be in support of a operation. Nor would they do it in the middle of the night with our property warning people. Also 911 dispatchers do contact the police when they get a call. If the police knew then it would have quickly gotten to the dispatchers who in turn would have started telling people what was going on.

I've met a lot of supply folks boast about working with the 10th. What was your MOS?

Are you one of those who thinks they are high speed because they worked with certain people, or were you actually high speed?

I'm willing to bet the former, rather than the latter.

Source: Prior FAC.

So you're still trying to make your point by trying to discredit me. I'm just making a observation and I've given as much info as a going to publicly. But if you're in town also I'm open to a meet up with you and we can grab a beer and have a chat.

My only point is that I doubt you truly have the breadth of experience you lay claim too.

It doesn't matter how much proof I provide you're going to have doubts. The offer for a beer stands though.

You're believable, this guy below is doing damage control. Thanks for your insight.

Hi there, guy from an US Air Force base :)

Usually before an exercise of this type, the news media/citizens are INFORMED BEFORE HAND.

This is highly unusual.

Maybe not in YOUR version of America, though.

Keep fighting the good fight, and God bless our keyboard commandoes.

Usually before an exercise of this type, the news media/citizens are INFORMED BEFORE HAND.

You're absolutely right. But you know what? People fuck up. I'll give you a personal example.

I worked with altitude chambers, and I was required to perform a yearly test. This test involved calling 911, and having the fire department and flight medicine respond to my building, which also happened to be located off base.

I coordinated with everyone, and had talked to everyone that morning. Everything was set. When I called 911, I even used the term "This is a training event, blah blah blah, this is a training event."

Lo and behold, the fire marshal forgot to tell his underlings and the fire department responded to what they thought was a real emergency. Do you realize how huge of a fuck up that was? Yet it still happened.

When you have the human element involved, there will be mistakes. It's not a matter of if, but when. That's why I'm not surprised there was a communication failure. It happens ALL the fucking time.

Edit--IIRC, the overall purpose of the training event was to test Flight Medicine response time, but the fire department wanted to use it for part of their training as well. They would drag hoses in, and put giant fans at doorways blowing air out. It was a really neat scene to watch.

You're absolutely right. But you know what? People fuck up.

Then I expect a personal apology on TV/radio/newspaper media very soon, within few days.

Get back to me when that happens :-)

Then I expect a personal apology on TV/radio/newspaper media very soon, within few days.

Oh please. When was the last time the military apologized for shit?

You don't even see apologies when police gun down unarmed Americans, yet you think this will garner one?

You need to wake up to how the world really works.

i live across the street, no one came to my door..spoke to 4 of my neighbors, they did not receive any notice either.

You said the dispatchers didn't know what was going on.

Dispatcher here. They tell us nothing.

911 dispatchers make $10 an hour and don't know shit. Nothing shocking there. They knew they were getting calls and that's about it.

sounds fishy for sure, i'd stay away from the race

Yes everyone, please stay away from the race. I've been trying to upgrade my GA tickets to actual bleachers but its too damn expensive right now.

this guy Conor Daly is the most luminerty of the drivers. First, he's going into the race ranked at 13. Spooky number 13. Second, he's racing under number 18. 6+6+6 = 18. Spooky. His Step-dad is also president of the Indy Speedway. Dude def has luminerty spies on his team. They'll walk right thru security with daddy. J. Douglas Boles is probably worth a look too.

edit: Boles connection to Bushes through Indianapolis Mayor Steve Goldsmith

http://www.ibj.com/articles/49688-the-interview-issue-doug-boles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Goldsmith

edit: probably not just an arrest for domestic violence

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markbergen/2011/09/01/a-sad-end-for-stephen-goldsmith/#113ef68e40ba

edit: aaaaand connection to israel

http://www.jcpa.org/jcprg7.htm

luminerty

?

Illuminati:Luminerty::LOL:lulz

is your name from the C-141 Starlifter?

What the fuck?

You have some interesting suggestions, but man you're not going to get anyone looking at it or taking what you say seriously (as serious as a conspiracy can be taken anyways, with a grain of salt) with your atrocious delivery and "luminerty" language.

oh what a tangled web i've made. humble apologies.

Jokes don't go over well here

I live in Indianapolis, the Indy 500 is a perfect target for a false flag

we've seen some 'black helicopters' flying over here in vermont too. not your run of the mill greenies either. completely black, no markings, flying real low over the lake area we live on. there's a national guard base about 40 min south and an air force base and hour north of us, so it's not completely out of the ordinary but we've never seen those types before, though we have seen military style choppers before.

Government issue + unmarked = bad fucking news(*)

(*) generally speaking

yeah i hear that. it was a weird non-civilian model but def not a battle type, like an apache would look like. i'm pretty savvy when it comes to military choppers but it definitely wasn't a blackhawk, and definitely not an apache, but had that kind of sleek look of an apache, but without the 'wings' that the launchers are mounted on.

i can't put my finger on what it was, nor can i find a pic of what it looks like on the internet lol. i'll keep looking and update if i figure it out.

Oddly enough I saw exactly what you are describing flying extremely low over a residential area in central Virginia just yesterday.

I'm in VA and saw that too. There's a general increase in military aircraft around – lots of helicopters last night, and I've seen two planes in the last 3 days that had AWACS-type objects mounted on top.

My first instinct seeing that stuff is always "man that's bad ass!", after a couple minutes it changes to "...but wait what the hell was that for in the first place?"

I am in Chester and have been seeing AWACS routinely for a few months now. They just fly in a large orbit a few times and then disappear heading east. Have also seen pavelow type helos a lot along with the standard blackhawk and chinook. Close to Ft. Lee you expect those, but not the AWACS.

We lived in a real rural part of VA and used to have c130 fly overhead in the middle of the night with escort. It would always have one lead by 30 seconds, one on each wing, and one tail. It was regular enough we could go outside and see it every couple of nights. I have no idea why they were near us. I don't even know where they came from or where they were going. Isn't any base near us I know of. This was 2002-2004ish.

Airwolf...

RIP Ernest Borgnine.

I was about to say don't forget about Jan-Michael Vincent but to my surprise the dude is actually still alive! I swear I heard he died years ago.

/r/mandelaeffect

i guess if i could say it looked 'like' anything, it'd be pretty close to the black helis on the left in this pic: get to the choppa

Comanche?

That's the nearest I can think of but if I remember correctly they never really made it past the prototype phase.

Nah, I'd have definitely remembered that badass chopper lol

Sounds like they're practicing for another false flag precursor to nationwide martial law.

i hate donning my tin foil hat, but there's lots of people with this exact theory right now, in the midst of this disaster of an election cycle.

If true then our 44th Prez can keep his Oval Office indefinitely... fucking scary the shit they'll pull off in order to maintain power.

That's what they said about Bush back in '08.

They said that too in '63

You realize the only marked helos that anyone can see without being close are medevacs, right? In general the military is camouflaged. I mean, that's kind of the idea. Sure, the Kiowas in my last unit were marked, but you weren't going to see the fancy unit markings unless you're refueling them. We couldn't see the tail numbers until about 300 ft away.

that's about how low they seem to be from my estimating. a buddy of mine said they could be DEA looking for weed farms, or a 'little bird' doing training runs? i dunno. that's the thing though. this wasn't 800 ft up. these suckers are flying loooow, which lends credibility to a scan for farms or something.

Eh. Stuff is hard to see standing still, when they're moving (even the slow ones run about 50 mph) it's tough. I guess I'd have to see what kind of bird it was.

I heard from a coworker who had a buddy who did those runs that weed is very easy to see from the air. It's visually obvious. And if it weren't it wouldn't take that much tech to figure out what the spectrum signature is. Such a thing could also be automated as an image recognition task. The low flying thing, I'd guess, has nothing to do with looking for grow ops.

Ok, so for the past year or so, there have been two different helicopters coming into close proximity to where I live. A clearly marked, "Delaware State Police," helicpoter, and a black military-style helicopter.

I snapped a picture of the black helicopter last week. I just saw 'em again about an hour and a half ago. Everyone around here has noticed, no one has a clue why they come around or what they're doing.

Now THAT looks like a Blackhawk to me. Damn man. Maybe it's time to put my tin foil hat back on lol.

It's really unnerving. I've had them circle me while I'm out in my garden. With the size of the property I live on and how close they fly, there's no mistaking what they are circling.

A few instances, at night, they've come extremely close and actually hovered above the driveway between the neighbor's house and ours. Once, a spotlight went right over top of us.

We've yet to come up with any reasonable explanation. It's fucking weird and people act weird when we try to talk about it.

Green Mountain Boys always get some of the rarer shit because they're a first line of defense on the Eastern sea board.

I hope not, I love the indy 500

I live about an hour north of Indy and my mother in law said there is a huge wait at the emergency room because they are doing "disaster preparedness" drills. Not sure how common those are or if it's a weird coincidence.

There is usually several being run by FEMA in multiple cities on any given day.

Very interesting thanks so much for posting this.

Find the architect of the building and see if he/she happened to designs more than one hospital with relatively the same floor plans and where.

I know Black Ops programs build full life size compounds resembling their targets so the guys can muscle memory the whole building. Not including the life size towns.

The hospital as far as I know was abandoned and would make sense being used for training but this is the military we are talking about not the local SWAT team. If the military can afford a $2,000 toilet seat and a $500 hammer having the option to bring in contractors to build a mock hospital for more than a single use seems to me like the road they would really take.

My 2 cents..

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so the guys can muscle memory the whole building

That could be part of it. Maybe they want variety so they can train in an unfamiliar setting.

Oh shit, I'm supposed to be there this weekend... If you don't here back from me, I love you guys

This happened in Miami a couple years back.

I saw those choppers passing through Danville which is about an hour away.

Possibly Unrelated, but... I'm in Central Florida -Near Tampa- and about 8pm last night I heard a few choppers flying around. Not the typical medfleet or news choppers either. I was an Apache' mechanic during my time in the Army, so I know what military helicopters sound like, and it definitely sounded like bigger choppers.

Big ASW drill off Orlando today too. 4 P8s, 2 tankers, AWACS, Rivet Joint, and two surface contacts.

6 Blackhawks roared down the beach yesterday. 1 or 2 is cool, 6 made me nervous.

I was born there! Live in Florida the last 44_1/2 years of my life.

Congratulations on your escape!

Stay safe.

That's about a mile from me. drove by there yesterday. Saw no signs of anything. It kinda fits right in in the neighborhood though; we had one fatal shooting a mile east of here last night.

I have relatives there, I'll ask them what happened.

There was an FBI warning going out to tell kids in a certain area of Chicago not to go to school till after their exercise is over. Could be related to that I guess but that's pretty weird that they straight up dropped out of the sky to train in the middle of a city next to a hospital?

it was a sight to see, especially at 12 oclock at night...dudes were repelling down ropes, there were strobe lights flashing inside the hospital, loud booms, police blocked off the end of my street...black, loud ass helicopters circling over my house..i didn't know what to think.

Do you have any pictures or video? I would be recording instantly.

i was so caught up in the moment of trying to figure out what was going on i didn't get my camera...my daughter and sister were texting me like crazy at the same time plus i was reading all the Beech Grove community page comments trying to piece it all together , once i understood it was a drill i stayed inside because i didn't know how others were taking it and didn't wanna accidentally get shot or something. in hind sight i wish i had gone next door to tell my neighbor anne everything was okay, she is such a sweet, older lady...her husband has dementia and her health is not well. i am a disapointed in myself that i did not do that.

probably unrelated... but yesterday I was in charleston west virginia and a C130 flew low across the city. I drove to pittsburgh PA (4 hours later) and saw the same exact thing, another C130 flying over low over pittsburgh. not uncommon I guess, just interesting. I also passed a military convoy on the way down to charleston.

we live in a militarized society. could just be practice exercises. easier to do that here than somewhere else

That's interesting because last Friday I saw 3 c130's flying incredibly low over Ottawa on. Canada. Like supper low. I fought it was crashing. The next day they said it was because an emergency transponder or something was triggered and started transmitting. And that the launched 3 c130's to investigate.

I saw a C130 flying low over Omaha, Nebraska on Friday though it was flying on the approach vector for Offutt AFB.

Lots of activity from Offutt lately. RIVET JOINT, COBRA BALL, and an Open Skies bird today.

I was in Charleston WV yesterday too, I saw it as well!

Former hospital? Maybe something was going on in there that the military didn't want the public to know about. Experiment gone wrong?

There was an armored military vehicle driving through my city towards the high way with an undercover driving behind it. Thing is, this wasn't a normal undercover. I know what the undercovers look like in my city and this one looked really different. It looked like a brand new escalade but a newer model, really nice looking and then it started veering side to side behind the armoured vehicle to see if any cars were in front then they hit their lights and sped off to the highway ignoring all civilian traffic. It was very strange...strange because these types of vehicles were in a part of the hood where they don't belong. Government vehicles in the hood? Doesn't seem right.

Happened in beech grove too, which is the area of the city that's home to the old AMTRAK station that hasn't been operational in years but still receives federal funding. FEMA camp anyone?

All exercises are communicated before time to citizens/police/media/TV news beforehand.

Conclusion: Either this was not an exercise, or the rules are changing.

PS Was it really ARMY being used outside a military training facility/barracks? Is this legal in the USA?

I like how 90% of the comments here are just people being salty with each other.

bot PR at work, comment control algorithmic style, that particular one is reddit's method, YT comments follow closely to this style as well.

YOU GUYS WOULD LOVE M.U.T.C. OUTSIDE OF NORTH VERNON!!! M.U.T.C.stands for Muscatatuck urban training center. I have been on this installation and it gives me the hibbie jibbies somethin' fierce. It's a guarded military and police training center replete with fake buildings to train in, lots of dead and rusting cars, overturned Train car, school building, hospital. Also comes with a small jail sized prison with inmates is on the base. Super secretive and buried behind woods.

Oh and whilst heading north today at 2-3 pm I noticed two formations of heliocopters, four each heading east from a western origin. Not that fishy really, Camp Atterbury was in that direction.

We had a "training exercise" in NYC on Friday night. Armed military tactical teams swarmed Penn Station and the surrounding subways.

Invasion!#!#

Inb4 a false flag blamed on ISIS aka the CIA trained "islamic state."

Any sources? I can't find any news articles about this.

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Would explain the explosive blasts - IE flash bangs

They have done some swat/military training at an old mental hospital in a residential area by me. Granted they gave a week or two notice to the residents.

There's a fairly large Army base next to Indianapolis, so perhaps the training was being done by soldiers from that base.

IndyStar reports:

A wave of 911 calls came into into Marion County police dispatch starting after midnight as the military training got underway, a dispatch supervisor said. Police confirmed that the military was conducting a training operation at the site.

Beech Grove Police Capt. Robert Mercuri said officials went door-to-door to warn neighbors about the training, but some residents did not get the message.

"We're sorry people were startled," Mercuri said. "We hope they understand that the city of Beech Grove was trying to help the people who protect us everyday."

It probably was a military exercise... you just can't be sure what they are training for. Watch Seven Days in May.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't they usually announce to the public that they're going to be doing a "training exercise", especially with it being in full public view, late at night, so that informed residents don't call 911 and clog up the lines? Were there announcements? I'm only going off what was originally written here and haven't browsed all 250+ comments. Just seems really fishy to not notify the public so that they stay out of the area as well as not call 911.

Since when are exercises done in the middle of a residential neighborhood?

Urban training exercises have been happening more and more over the years.

Any videos of this happening or is it like big foot?

Local news don't pay the bills. Post a link here.

The army did a training exercise like this at the old Brooke Army Medical Center on Fort Sam Houston in San Antonio, Texas a few years back. It was crazy because that building is only like maybe 1500 feet from a neighborhood. Only thing separating them is a chain link fence. Same thing happened....low flying blackhawks with guys rappelling into/onto the building, explosions, flash bangs, and gun fire.....people blew up 911 and the media....it was quite a circus.....statement came out afterwards it was a special operations training exercise....

Prepare the lube.

I was a part of training like this in North carolina. It's actually pretty normal to do mass cas evacuation or hostage situation. Training in major cities. If you have questions about about it I'll be happy to answer anything as best as I can.

Where I live it's SOP to announce these type of drills well ahead of time so people don't freak out. Is that normal over there too?

Most of the time they do announce these types of things at least a couple months ahead of time. There were some instances though where there was a sudden need for some type of training and it was only a couple of days notice. once there was no notice at all and we conducted amphibious landings on a beach.

with all the super hero movies. I'm surprised people don't say stuff like this was the Avengers fighting Loki or some shit.

They've done the same thing in Minneapolis the past couple of years.

We have the same drills happening in Tampa Bay

RemindMe! 2 months

"What is a military state experience!"

So how did the failed conspiracy go, boys? No gov't bullshit so far.

Aliens.

My friend is in the Naval academy, it was just a drill from what he said. So yes it's a coincidence. It happens all the time

This is what indoctrination and acceptance looks like. Not that there's anything inherently wrong with the exercise itself- but there's definitely a frog in this stew pot.

Yeah no not at all, my friend is in the military and there is nothing out of the ordinary about this. Just a boring exercise, thus is coming from my long time friend who again, is apart of the Naval academy in the city where it took place

These things happen all the time, maybe they make the local evening news, and then everyone forgets about them because they're a rather normal occurrence and the most common negative coming from them is people having to take a longer route to get from point A to B during said exercise.

They do this shit all the fucking time. They're training against US.

Anonymous warning for July 2016 https://youtu.be/Cd6uCXWm9mg

Bill Gates https://youtu.be/gROhNaJoGzI

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for something like that to truly happen they would have to basically disband the military, and completely reconstruct and retrain a whole other set of individuals who are unpatriotic before they could even begin to get this off the ground

In this case chinese, russian, or almost any other highly trained non-American military would seem to suffice here..

Hey, we've bombed hospitals this year in other countries, why not Indy? Practice makes perfect.

According to someone I know in Beech Grove this shit has happened before. So its not unprecedented. Just rude as shit.

Watch you call this out, id shit my pants

Whatever happened already happened, leave it at that.

If something happened at a NASCAR race that would piss alot if right winged white people off

Good thing there isn't a NASCAR race in Indy until the end of July then.

Police warned residents about the exercise earlier in the year. All you need to do is Google it go confirm that.

many residents claim they were not warned.

People also claim they weren't warned not to drive after drinking.

the dispatch workers are also claiming they didn't know anything about the drills so you were saying?

Where is this source then?

I watched the local news. I'm an hr away from Indy. Go to the r/Indianapolis sub for the news story

It's almost as if we aren't being told the full story.......

Absolutely nothing, but Primus makes things better.

That's interesting because last Friday I saw 3 c130's flying incredibly low over Ottawa on. Canada. Like supper low. I fought it was crashing. The next day they said it was because an emergency transponder or something was triggered and started transmitting. And that the launched 3 c130's to investigate.

I saw a C130 flying low over Omaha, Nebraska on Friday though it was flying on the approach vector for Offutt AFB.

for them to be doing a training exercise at night there without seriously properly giving notice to all the residents.

So you are surprised someone fucked up and didn't communicate properly? This is the military. Not surprised at all. Shit happens dude.

It makes even less sense to use an old hospital that's in a populated areas.

As opposed to all the empty hospitals in the country? Where do you expect them to do training?

The military doesn't train to fight against countries. They train to fight terrorists, which utilize buildings like hospitals, as strongholds.

Don't be surprised when you see people practicing insertions.

I've never seem anything like this in my life.

That doesn't mean shit. I bet you've never seen a city destroyed by war, yet I have. Does that mean my experience doesn't exist because you haven't seen it? That is nonsense.

I would think that they had an actual target that they hit.

It's called training. Do you expect them to blow it up?

To pit that many civilians at risk with the half dozen helicopters and the explosions. It's just to much risk for way to little reward.

On every single military base, around the US, you will see planes/helo's constantly flying around the population, or some sort of training going on. Sometimes I can even hear military personnel firing their weapons at the range. Does this mean I should be scared?

Near an Army base? You'll hear arty fire ALL THE FUCKING TIME.

Near an Air Force base? You're gonna hear jets/planes non fucking stop.

Near a Naval base? No clue. I don't know shit about the Navy.

Near a Marine base? No fucking clue. Probably a lot of grunting and yelling.

More importantly, I think it is important for people to remember that the military has too train. You train how you fight.

Get over it and put your big boy pants on, because we live in a new world.

Oh I agree . I'm just sure it will happen, I just don't think it'll be due to natural causes.

Lots of activity from Offutt lately. RIVET JOINT, COBRA BALL, and an Open Skies bird today.

Because I won't get riled up when someone questions a belief/idea that I don't really have proof for ? Nah that'd be silly . Discussing things is good . It's just a hunch really .

So you're still trying to make your point by trying to discredit me. I'm just making a observation and I've given as much info as a going to publicly. But if you're in town also I'm open to a meet up with you and we can grab a beer and have a chat.

It doesn't matter how much proof I provide you're going to have doubts. The offer for a beer stands though.

Until you consider it AS spirutual warfare, you're right, it makes no sense...

The truth is a conspiracy of coincedences, it seems.

tame your spray douche nozzle.

Yeah exactly. Theyre claiming its some satanic ritual, but i honestly think theyre not actually saying "planes" could be saying something similar and the person just added the subtitles

You should read "Secret Societies And Psychological Warfare" by Michael Hoffman II.

Then you will see why the children's invocation was important. In Masonic lore, you can kill anyone you want, as long as the right conditions are met and the killing is done in a certain way.

One thing is that the Mason must warn the person, by telling them they will be killed. Then the person is "fair game".

The chant may have been the official, formal announcement of the planes hitting the buildings.

When you read that book you will them understand that the occultist are always seeking to take man and transform him. They are usurping god and his plans and imposing thier own.

The impetus for the 9+11 attacks probably wasn't economical, military, political, but sorcerous

I was in Charleston WV yesterday too, I saw it as well!

Thanks!

The impetus for the 9+11 attacks probably wasn't economical, military, political, but sorcerous

It was likely all of those and more. There is always more than one agenda, more than one goal, in play.

lizard genes? haha

edit: I don't know maybe they have nuclear codes or something

I was being sarcastic in my post - I don't believe the events I mentioned previously were coincidentally preceded by training exercises. I do, however, believe the the Boston Bombing was a botched job by the FBI. The bombs were never supposed to go off - the FBI was supposed to find them, find the brothers, and parade them around like "oooh, look what we managed to prevent!" in order to justify additional funding for the FBI.