"Worth remembering: Democrats nominated Hillary because their game is rigged. Republicans nominated Trump because ours isn't." - How do people believe this nonsense?
8 2016-07-24 by magnora7
I saw this on facebook, one of my "friends" posted it. Seriously, I'm asking for someone to attempt to explain to me how a 30 year old person can think a thing like the quote above. Were they asleep during the last 5 primaries? Do they think a billionaire buying out the position of president is freedom? How delusional are some people?
How many hours of Fox News do you think that guy watches a day?
It just blows my mind that anyone thinks either side is working in the interest of the people of the USA, especially the Republican side. It's like they have amnesia about the last 30 years. It's just astounding. I really can't wrap my brain around people like this, how are these types of people so common? Is it just because Americans had it so good for so long that some of us got soft and lost our ability to think for ourselves? I just don't get it... I would seriously love to entertain some explanations as to how we got here as a culture.
53 comments
7 eschaton777 2016-07-24
It's the constant 24/7 brainwashing from the media outlets always trying to keep the right/left paradigm alive. Once you come to realize that the whole "political system" is a complete charade it just gets more and more outlandish as time goes on. When I see people like the one that you quoted it becomes apparent that we are quickly closing in on the age of idiocracy.
6 magnora7 2016-07-24
Yeah I kind of see this polarization in people like you and I who obviously see the charade for what it is, versus people like the quoted who believe in the good of their side and the evil of the other side more fervently than ever. It's like people are clinging super tight to the existing ideological framework in response to the others, like you and I, who are rejecting it.
2 eschaton777 2016-07-24
Yes I completely agree. That is the positive side of it. Part of the population continues to fall for the increasingly retarded (for lack of a better word) political charade, but on the same note the numbers of people like us are increasing too (dramaticy though they try to marginalize that fact). The two sides will continue to become more and more polarized until something gives.
2 magnora7 2016-07-24
I think you are right. And then it will become evident to everyone that the battle is not left vs right, but authoritarians vs anti-authoritarians, and that's when things might get ugly
0 RevenGideon 2016-07-24
It is more incredible that this "phenomena" is attracting the Dems, independents, and people who never voted, while pushing out REAL conservatives, what used to be Republicans, and Amazingly turned the GOP into an actual "racist" party. Almost like a DEMOCRAT has infiltrated the party. But who was supporting Democrats a few years ago?
Who was considering running as a Republican 4 yrs ago but Romney was chosen to fuck it up?
Who has donated to Clinton regularly and other New York Liberals to participate in the very Crooked Crony Capitalism Practice (see what I did there?) we all hate?
Donald Drumph, friend of pedophile Epstein, Clintons, and other shady characters are now the friggan hope for our country?
But fuck Cruz right? He looks like a drawing of the zodiac killer. Unbelievably stupid people.
4 Vitalogy0107 2016-07-24
Really? Cruz is your answer to this problem?
-1 RevenGideon 2016-07-24
He was the best step I saw. Now I'm waiting for my ballot to generate candidates but I'm probably "voting for Hillary" by voting for Darrel Castle. Never Trump because unlike Drumph, I actually don't give a fuck. I will continue to set the example, y'all can follow or bitch in a FEMA camp.
4 callmebaiken 2016-07-24
I dunno, I agree with that statement. The elite shit their pants this primary when Trump won. He's not a puppet of the elite. Perhaps he may be co-opted in the future. And I don't think it had anything to do with the righteousness of Republicans over Dems. But certainly the Dem primary was rigged and clearly the Republican wasn't
5 brxn 2016-07-24
I also don't think trump winning was the establishment plan. Originally, the establishment was more concerned with making sure rand Paul's campaign never got a foothold and topics of discussion were limited to the typical Republican wedge issues.
If the establishment plan was for trump to win, there would be much more party unity right now. Old guard gop assholes like Mitch McConnell would be supporting him in a believable manner.
2 LupinePeregrinans 2016-07-24
I think that Trump is preferable for TPTB but I think that they may have been caught off guard by how well he's actually doing and didn't intend for him to actually seem (as) competitive with Hillary.
-2 magnora7 2016-07-24
He's not a puppet of the RNC elite, but he's a puppet of clinton, to ensure she wins by making the republicans look crazy. They're old friends, the clintons went to trumps last wedding and trump was a democrat until this election.
4 callmebaiken 2016-07-24
Well, I don't think that's correct, but who knows. It's a decent conspiracy theory. Have any evidence beyond their previous ties?
1 oscillating_reality 2016-07-24
There's this too:
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop-presidential-primary/250356-report-bill-clinton-called-trump-ahead-of-campaign
1 callmebaiken 2016-07-24
That's suspicious
0 magnora7 2016-07-24
The media coverage, it's been near-constant for trump while other candidates have been ignored. If you want a candidate to fail, you don't give them constant negative coverage, you give them NO coverage. The media is complicit in making trump popular, and setting him up as a foil for clinton to look sane by comparison against. The clinton-media control ties are extensively documented.
1 Noxton 2016-07-24
Whomever is running things placed two powerful pieces on the board. One on the red side, the other on the blue side. Ideally, the blue piece would be victorious, but in case past transgressions come to light and the blue side falters, the red side is still in the game.
The President of the United States of America is little more than a game piece there for show and comfort.
The real power hides behind the scenes, far from scrutiny, far from discovery, far from punishment.
Corporations rule all, and those who rule the corporations rule you. It's so painfully simple it hurts.
This election is literally like watching some shitty reality tv not unlike honey boo boo or whatever other trash is on tv these days.
The best part about it all?
We sit here on the Internet and argue about whether or not ancient aliens created our civilization as we know it. We fight about whether or not the world is round. We fight about whether or not Trump is a Hillary player. We fight about whether or not vaccines are helpful or harmful. We fight about all of these details and much much much much more online.
No one has the balls to do anything about it (including me - what is there to even do?), and so we continue to live in this stupid farce of a world while we literally send children (if you think an 18 year old boy is not a child, you're a fool) to kill other people's children just so we can have bigger better TV's and more channels with nothing to actually watch. We buy cheap shitty things from countries that literally use child slave labor to put our garbage together.
We've been convinced that life is a certain way, and we refuse to realize that we are all part of a system that is bigger and more amazing than anything we can ever imagine. We are a part of a universe that is a part of a system that is literally incomprehensible.
The game is rigged, but worse? The game is over. You can't do a damn thing about it. We're fucked.
1 magnora7 2016-07-24
Your comment made me think of my favorite political cartoon of all time: https://i.redditmedia.com/iAHofwAbVE4MmqpIx8sIQA_RTntosyljnYme_7Gez3g.jpg?w=1000&s=36f18a5a52a063d2c293d73abfce6252
The reality is, the status quo will be maintained and things will get worse until they piss off enough people to do something about it. That's how wars start, then there's a revolution and the government briefly works in the interest of the people while the masses are paying attention, then slowing things begin deteriorating again but everyone has comfortable lives now so they stop paying attention to politics and the cycle repeats. Over and over and over.
There are incremental positive steps being made, but I think we're in one of those situations where we have to take a few steps back before we can start moving forward again.
Their games always fall apart. Their greed betrays them, and they push things too far. That's why there are revolutions all throughout history.
2 Noxton 2016-07-24
Here's the most important part about what you said:
This is all a cycle. The human cycle. Much like all the cells in my body make up the specific individual, "me," the humans on this planet make up the specific individual "Earth" (sort of).
We're so sure that we're all special snowflakes that we don't realize that our social conformity or rejection is all a part of what it is to be a human being. Society is itself an organism of sorts. We always act this way. We think things are different, but little ever actually changes.
2 magnora7 2016-07-24
Yup it's true what you have said. But it's also true that this organism goes through cycles of peace and war. Cycles of revolution and status quo. And these cycles are sometimes slower than our lifetimes
1 luckinator 2016-07-24
The Republican Party and its leading lights did everything humanly possible to sabotage Trump's campaign, including countless dirty tricks. They failed, because the people want Trump.
1 magnora7 2016-07-24
lol, like 99% of them endorsing him? Please.
0 oscillating_reality 2016-07-24
Show him this article about Trump's connections:
http://philosophyofmetrics.com/how-rothschild-inc-saved-donald-trump-freepom/
The whole thing is controlled, both sides, but a lot of Trump supporters have fallen for the narrative pushed by some of the "alt-media" like Jones and Infowars that he is actually fighting the establishment.
5 magnora7 2016-07-24
My favorite is when people say "You can't buy him out, he's a billionaire, so he's un-bribeable!"
As if billionaires weren't greedy people. If offered enough money, he will do anything. And the same military-industrial establishment that supports clinton will buy Trump out in a hot second and you better believe he'll go along with it if it makes him wealthy.
I just do not understand how this is not obvious fact to most people by now. It's so blatant.
0 anarchopotato 2016-07-24
ron paul?
1 magnora7 2016-07-24
what about him?
1 anarchopotato 2016-07-24
twas obviously rigged against him. so yeah its a dumb thought
-1 thesarl 2016-07-24
I felt that way too. I think they underestimated Trump and failed to take enough vote rigging measures. They were planning to eliminate him early via media character assassination and slander. Bush was gonna float on his massive war chest while they played Carson as the Cain and Cruz as the Maverick. Rubio was to be a dark horse if needed. They got complacent.
The republican field was made as big as possible to ensure the chosen ones could sit aloof while the others battled it out. The democrat field was made as small as possible because everyone knew Hillary would have a difficult time. They knew election fraud was crucial for Hillary but thought they had the Republicans in the bag.
I watch the polls pretty closely for fraud, and there was a lot on the Dem side, I can tell you Hillary did not win legitimately. Republican side was within the margin of error but never in favor of Trump.
What this told me (and I was very surprised) was that voting still did matter. If you can overwhelm them with sheer turnout, they can't influence the results without being obvious.
It makes sense, they control the candidate selection and have been extremely good at rigging in the past. They don't really care who gets to the general, because they know they could work with them. Once they get the two, they have a little talk and decide who's gonna get the extra votes. The last two elections were almost flawless in execution.
They couldn't deny Trump from running because he has been such a big donor, but they sure were going to eliminate him from the field.
1 magnora7 2016-07-24
You have a measured opinion, but I think they control Trump. It's all a show to give you the illusion of choice. Not everyone in the RNC is happy about it, and Trump probably has gotten more traction than many people expected, but I still think that this is designed for Hillary to win. The media is fluffing up the Trump support to make it look like a real 50/50 horserace, to keep everyone distracted from talking about how screwed we all are. It really doesn't matter who wins, the president doesn't control the destiny of the country anyway. The big banks and military companies run the government now, and increasingly have been for several decades. If Trump didn't sell out immediately to their billions they'd offer him, then they'll get rid of him like JFK. Genuine rebellion against the military system is not allowed, and Trump looks to be easy to bring in to the fold. But he won't get elected, he is merely a foil for clinton. It'll be 51/49 clinton, and the tv will say "ah, nice try guys, better luck next time". It's all rigged. Even if Trump wins, it's rigged. Pardon my cynicism, but I've been around the block enough times to see what's coming.
2 thesarl 2016-07-24
As have I. I have the same concerns, but I think it's more likely that TPTB would threaten his family rather than try to buy him out. I don't think Trump can be bought very easily.
My thought is we needed an independently wealthy, stubborn, and pit bull of a man to beat the system using the system. Everyone else was virtually gaurunteed to sell out or give in.
All I have is hope at this point. Trump says everything I want him to say, and he doesn't need any money. I'm thinking he's more concerned about his children living in a good country than anything else. If he's a faker, well we've been fucked this entire time. Whatever the powers are/where planning for the next presidency is going to be bad, the culmination of decades. Every day I hope Trump means what he says and he isn't assassinated.
3 magnora7 2016-07-24
He doesn't need money? Then why has he spent his life amassing billions of it?
He is a faker. We have been fucked this whole time. That's what I'm telling you. This political system is a joke being had at our expense.
0 thesarl 2016-07-24
Yes, I know we have.
My point is he has the money. He's not some Rubio from Florida. He's also not a politician. He's been using politicians to get what he needs for years, he knows exactly how they operate.
I dispute him being a faker in general, I'm sure he manipulates people to get what he wants in deals, but he's certainly not a Rubio, Cruz, or Clinton faker. If you have a specific example I'd like to hear it, for my own enlightenment.
2 magnora7 2016-07-24
Oh yeah, but he would never lie to the public at large. Please. You're being naive. I know it sucks to lose hope, but realize you shouldn't be hoping in Trump or you will just be disappointed. Find hope in something else, something greater than this left vs right bullcrap the media has us convinced is important. Instead start to look for alternatives outside this paradigm that has been built for us to flounder around in. My 2 cents, we can agree to disagree.
4 thesarl 2016-07-24
I'm not being naive. I have evaluated all the angles.
All you're saying is the system is rigged, to which I agree with. All I'm saying is the system tried to and is still trying to eliminate Trump. If Trump doesn't have Americas interests first, well we've always been fucked. It appears that he does, however, so you know, fuck it, I'm hoping he will stop this bullshit once and for all.
1 magnora7 2016-07-24
All the angles! haha No one has evaluated all the angles. It's not possible, our human minds too simple to see ALL the angles.
But yes, we agree the system is rigged. You just, for some unfathomable reason, think Trump is a big exception to this rule. Start thinking outside the box. Trump is not outside the box. Trump IS the box.
2 thesarl 2016-07-24
Sigh. Fine, technically you're right, I'm sure I haven't evaluated all the angles. But the ones you are proposing I have evaluated. I've researched the man a great deal. Without any evidence to the contrary, I have to believe he means what he says when he talks about the U.S.
1 magnora7 2016-07-24
Alright, prepare to be disappointed! Actually you probably won't be, because he won't win because the system is rigged, so we'll have no idea what he would've actually done. Not that I would really want him or Hillary as president. People need to vote third party
1 thesarl 2016-07-24
Which will do nothing. I give you these options:
1) Abstain from voting
2) Vote for the establishment candidate
3) Vote third party
4) Vote for the guy who seems to be hated by the establishments.
The first three are garunteed to fail. There is absolutely no chance to change anything for the good if options 1, 2, or 3 are picked.
Option 4 however, has a chance of success. I consider it a last second Hail Mary.
Yes, I know there will be voter fraud. Massive voter fraud, the likes of which we've never seen. They already pushed the envelope to the edge with the Dem primaries. Not only noticeable, but extremely noticeable. With Trump running in the general, they will pull out all stops to destroy him.
1 magnora7 2016-07-24
3 has a chance of long-term success. The US has changed parties before, and almost did in the 1990s as well.
I don't think he is hated by the establishment. He won the RNC primary, and we both know how rigged that is. He is controlled opposition. He is designed to lose, from the start. If I am correct, Trump will get increasingly insane to drive people away from him and toward hillary.
Look at this comic and let me know what you think: https://i.redditmedia.com/iAHofwAbVE4MmqpIx8sIQA_RTntosyljnYme_7Gez3g.jpg?w=1000&s=36f18a5a52a063d2c293d73abfce6252
1 thesarl 2016-07-24
Okay, you say he won the primary because it was rigged in his favor? That is laughable on many levels. Give me just one example that you think illustrates it was rigged in his favor, other than "he won, must be rigged in his favor"
Have you seen anything he's said about Hillary? You think that anyone would let him do real damage to her if she was supposed to win? No, it would look like Bernie.
1 magnora7 2016-07-24
It's been rigged for 30 years, you think they're going to let some uncontrolled person in? Hell no.
Any publicity is good publicity, you don't seem to get that. They ignored Bernie which made him irrelevant. Controversy attracts people. People hate trump, so when he hates on hillary, it makes people like hillary even though she's dogshit, just out of pity. It's a good plan, they're working it quite well
1 thesarl 2016-07-24
Anyone who takes the time to actually learn about the man ends up liking him. People get on the media and flat out lie and slander his name. The media has bullshit articles that don't hold up to scrutiny. The lie that people hate him is just a lie. IGNORANT people who haven't spent 30 minutes of research to justify their hate, hate him.
I thought he was a joke. Then I researched him. He has done amazing and generous things his entire life. He has never uttered a racist word. What we see in the media is flat out lies.
Edit: And by the way, I've never seen so many people in real life actually tell me they supported a candidate as much as Trump.
1 magnora7 2016-07-24
I've hated him since he was an idiot on conan back in 1999. The guy is a blowhard selfish gaudy loser, I don't see how anyone likes him other than the fact he has a lot of money, honestly.
Of course the media is lying. That's what it does...
1 thesarl 2016-07-24
Well see that's something I accept. I don't agree with the reasoning, but I get where you're coming from. I would say however not to let your first reaction to someone stop you from being objective.
2 magnora7 2016-07-24
Agreed. Cheers for finding common ground
1 oscillating_reality 2016-07-24
He's most certainly a politician, he's running for the highest elected office in the world. He sells people bullshit rhetoric that they lap up; same as it ever was.
Look at how people like Gingrich and Christie and now his VP pick Pence have coalesced around him. These people are part of the GOP establishment. Pence was a hard line supporter of everything about the Iraq war. He is a big supporter of TPP. The list goes on and on.
It's a scam and it's the biggest scam going in politics right now because the people supporting him are the new Obamabots of '08. "Make America Great Again" is the new "Hope and Change".
The people running the show knew they needed an "anti-establishment" candidate this year to funnel all the opposition into, hence Trump.
On top of all of that, he's laid out some incredibly authoritarian policy during the primaries. Internet censorship, "rebuilding" the military, media censorship, bombing the families of terrorists, etc.
I agree with the OP, they've set him up to make Hillary look palatable. An election against Trump is truly one of the only ways she could win.
0 thesarl 2016-07-24
Dude, look up the definition of politician. If you can't think critically, why do you expect anyone to listen to what you say? You come out the gate with something that is obviously not true.
0 SokarRostau 2016-07-24
You should take your own advice.
2 thesarl 2016-07-24
What public office has he held? In what capacity is he a politician?
You'll note, he does not hold an office yet. He is running to be President, but he is not currently a politician.
Why is it so hard for you to understand the definition?
0 SokarRostau 2016-07-24
Running for political office is not practising politics. Gotcha. It's some other thing. Like jogging.
-1 CantStopWhitey 2016-07-24
Typical whiny lefty and their pseudo-intellectual ramblings.
3 magnora7 2016-07-24
Typical brainwashed partisan response
0 CantStopWhitey 2016-07-24
Whatever you need to sleep at night.
-2 magnora7 2016-07-24
He's not a puppet of the RNC elite, but he's a puppet of clinton, to ensure she wins by making the republicans look crazy. They're old friends, the clintons went to trumps last wedding and trump was a democrat until this election.
2 LupinePeregrinans 2016-07-24
I think that Trump is preferable for TPTB but I think that they may have been caught off guard by how well he's actually doing and didn't intend for him to actually seem (as) competitive with Hillary.
5 brxn 2016-07-24
I also don't think trump winning was the establishment plan. Originally, the establishment was more concerned with making sure rand Paul's campaign never got a foothold and topics of discussion were limited to the typical Republican wedge issues.
If the establishment plan was for trump to win, there would be much more party unity right now. Old guard gop assholes like Mitch McConnell would be supporting him in a believable manner.
1 magnora7 2016-07-24
lol, like 99% of them endorsing him? Please.