The majority of these comments are derailing the topic that OP put forth. You "science" worshipers are no better than religion worshipers.

You're all missing important substantial points and don't realize it. Science followers that have little more than surface knowledge about any science use it as a catch all argument. Just. Like. The. Early. Church.

Science followers believe their authorities and take their word on conclusions the followers themselves have not independently verified. Just. Like. The. Early. Church.

Science followers don't seem to understand that science is a descriptive term of a method of understanding their environment. Religion followers don't seem to understand the texts they venerate are up to interpretation on an individual level.

Science followers and religion followers alike don't seem to grasp the significance of multiple texts from multiple cultures being so similar.

The great Gatsby won't be discussed thousands of years from now, Tolkien, Voltaire, George R.R. Martin or Dan Brown won't have fervent zealots interpreting their words and persecuting others who's views differ from theirs thousands of years from now.

Ffs. Neither side realizes they could work together to figure out what exactly these religions have hidden in plane sight.

Apply scientific method to research religious claims without starting with a conclusion. Quit being so easily manipulated by parasitic humans who negatively affect the entire world.

Seriously, you guys look like fools.

You religious people try to disprove the things that disprove God, and they fail. The end.

Not religious at all so what's your argument?

This is because at the time of his first coming, the Hebrews were already disobeying the commandments of the lord until finally they would go into slavery.

You have to remember, Satan is not real, it means adversary. If someone is stopping you from doing what you are supposed to do, they are Satan. Also used for someone who thinks only of the flesh and not of the spirit, one nation that did this a lot was Edom.

In this sense it becomes clear that Satan meant that Jesus was speaking of whom ever offering him the world (wants of the flesh) was not of his own kind nor followed God in spirit.

This definition of Satan is clear when we see that Jesus refers to Peter as Satan because he doesn't want Jesus to go and be killed, which was the main reason his coming was foretold.

Cyrus on the other hand was blessed by GOD to rule because the Israelite's did not need to rule in this manner as God would protect them anyways. Therefore the shared humbleness between Cyrus and the Hebrews were a strong synergy.

IF you got "False comparisons by Illuminati: Second coming of Jesus is NOW: Matthew 4:8-9 vs Chronicles 36:23" THEN that's all you need to get these headlines: "Iranians arrested after celebrating ancient Persian king Cyrus the Great". In other words: you don't even need to know that the illuminati already had to resort to the agents playing ayatollahs for a supply of more than 100,000 iranian shock troops in Syria and Iraq, for years now.

Notes October 31, 2016 Iranians arrested after celebrating ancient Persian king Cyrus the Great https://www.yahoo.com/news/iranians-arrested-celebrating-ancient-persian-king-cyrus-great-115038049.html

Last Prophet's words from Jun 2012: article's body unchanged. CONTEXT and BASICS last updated Aug 2016. Why Matt IS the very LAST Prophet: he could _ _e the _AST at the END http://end-times-prophet.blogspot.com/2012/06/paradox-why-matt-is-very-last-prophet.html

Can you prove to me God is real and that the bible is truth? Do you have evidence of any kind? Try not to use the bible to prove either since that would be circular reasoning and all. Damn logical fallacies

No, my own thought process led me to that belief. I used to be Christian, Baptist actually. If you were to take the time to actually read the whole bible and try to apply it to find answers to the natural world, you would fail. The only reason you're typing a reply is because of science, which tends to contradict the bible. The reason you can go to school or work in your vehicle is because of science, not God. The reason you have clothes is because of science. Your entire world is possible because of the scientific method. Why? It works. It gives results. Prayer does not, just ask the next amputee victim you see.

I ask again, can you prove God exists?

Edit: it's mind blowing that you think evolution is an organization

In what ways does science contradict the Bible?

The scientific method has led to discoveries that prove the earth is much more than 6000 years old, both geologic and astronomical. It proves it's impossible to walk on water with surface tension and buoyancy forces. It's proven that the Ark was impossible as no wooden ship can withstand it's own weight the length and size, even while empty, in the water. Much more of an impossibility when you take 20,000 creatures and put them on that ship. Geologic evidence also disproves the flood as fossils aren't found in stratigraphic layers they aren't supposed to be in.

That's just a few.

The scientific method works because literally anyone can use it. It's all about how honest you are with it and how much effort you put into it. You don't need institutions/schools to use the scientific method. Just be willing to learn more as you go, because to understand astronomy you will need some physics and calculus. Each topic requires you to have some sort of prior knowledge. The interesting thing is that all of that knowledge that was built prior was built using the scientific method. If you don't believe me, if you're willing to put enough time and energy, you could invent calculus right now using reasoning and deduction and some mathematical skills.

If I'm being honest, I don't believe that there is a 0% chance there is no God. But if there is, it's not the Christian God. And there is and never has been actual evidence that proves God is a possibility. All I ask for is proof.

Been having trouble finding it, but there's a verse that even says that if doubters ask for evidence, give it to them. I've never gotten that evidence.

What color were the Egyptians?

Ok, just ignore every way that I just answered your question.

I'll answer this one, though. Then I would appreciate it if you could address the issues I brought up.

Given that the location of Egypt was still in the same lattitude as the time the bible makes its claims, I will assume that Egyptians were a mix of dark to light brown people, depending on the origins of its peoples. A quick wiki search shows that the topic is still highly debated to this day. Was there a point to that question?

From your own Wiki Search

The question of the race of ancient Egyptians was raised historically as a product of the scientific racism.

Moving on,

Zondervan’s Compact Bible Dictionary:

Ham – The youngest son of Noah, born probably about 96 years before the Flood; and one of eight persons to live through the Flood. He became the progenitor of the dark races; not the Negroes, but the Egyptians, Ethiopians, Libyans and Canaanites.

What becomes apparent is that you have put all of your trust in science while none in God. Yet science itself has shown it's own flaws and yet you still blindly follow it. Ask yourself why is that.

Before I answer your question, can you answer mine and address my points? I've answered twice and have not received answers back from you. I'm getting the feeling you're ignoring what I've said.

I will respond to your comment accordingly, but it would be really nice if you could address what I've said. It'd be a little dishonest if you didn't

I have not answered your questions because they are concerned only with the flesh. You believe everything that someone tells you when it has doctor attached behind it but cannot see that the Lord makes it possible. A man with no spiritual knowledge is not a man at all.

Ecclesiasticus 13:23

“When a rich man speaketh, every man holdeth his tongue, and, look, what he saith, they extol it to the clouds: but if the poor man speak, they say, What fellow is this? and if he stumble, they will help to overthrow him.”

Can you prove to me that God exists? There exists a verse in your bible that says to give proof when asked for it, why do you not do so?

Until I'm shown evidence that God exists, I must use deductive reasoning to discover the truth about the world. That reasoning leads me to believe God likely does not exist.

You'd be saving my soul from eternal damnation if you could prove to me God exists. No one would want to be tortured for eternity. I'm saying right now that I don't want that to happen to me. But before I can believe that any of it, I need evidence. Why is evidence so much to ask for? Why do you keep it from me, especially when you could saver my soul.

Jeremiah 7:16

Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to me: for I will not hear thee.

Ok I'm not asking you to pray for me. I'm asking for proof

if I am not doing the works of My Father, then do not believe Me. But if I am doing thek, even though you do not believe Me, believe the works themselves, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father. (John 10:37-38)

Where are the works? Where is the proof? Jesus just said to look at the evidence but I don't see it. So can you give it to me?

Haha, you understand that this is Jesus talking to in John? I assure you I am not the man himself.

What I do like is the fact that you went all the way to John 10 without getting a huge kick from John 8:42

42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

He's talking to the Jews. Start at John 10:22. Do you know your bible? He have them and non believers a free pass to look for evidence if unconvinced of God's word. So I ask for the umpteenth time, where is the evidence?

Yes, I know I posted that he is speaking in John. My post was edited several minutes ago before your own. Thanks though.

You're asking for the evidence I cannot give you. Instead, maybe you should look at the origins of Esau, he was not a spiritual man either, in fact he gave the blessing away that God had given to him which is why Jacob ended up receiving them. He was a cunning hunter and loved red meat, a very scientific dude from what the Bible speaks about him.

Maybe that's more your speed, live in the flesh if that is what your mind tells you to do, so be it. A bee will buzz, a bird will chirp and the wicked shall be wicked for it is in their nature.

No I ask for tangible proof which is what God gives me permission to do. Why do you keep it from me? Do you not want to save my soul? Do you not care about one of God's creations? Why does he keep hood proof from me? Has he already predestined me for eternal punishment?

And how do you know what lifestyle I live? You know nothing about me other than that I ask for proof before believing in something. I know that by claiming I live a life devoted to the flesh, you're judging me, which is something Jesus wasn't too fond of.

Jesus judged all the time, are you insane? The passage you provided could only be presented by Jesus himself since he is the son of the Lord correct? Although I doubt he would perform them for you yourself since you have already denied the words.

A man who doesn't believe in the Bible or better yet, denounces the Bible and then goes on to scream about how he is being judged for not having faith in the Lord. Prideful, yet another characteristic of Esau.

Jesus judged, but he doesn't want you to. For he is THE judge.

I have not judged you yet, I've simply shown you your path. You deny the Bible in the end times that we are moving towards because you are wicked.

If you deny the father, you have denied salvation. Point, Blank, Period.

Good day sir.

Lol I only ask for evidence which your God says he will give me in your own Bible.

If you wanna run from this discussion then by all means I'm not stopping you. You've disregarded most of what I've said so it's not like it's been much of a discussion anyway. Just you trying to shove your beliefs down my throat and dodging all questions and criticisms. So if you wanna answer my questions then by all means. Otherwise a good day to you as well

Lol I only ask for evidence which your God says he will give me in your own Bible.

You are not reading correctly then.

I am not Jesus, the evidence you are looking for will be provided to the world at the same time hence Revelation.

If I were to go into the full details, you would not believe me nor even take it into consideration because your own intentions at first was to disprove the word of God. Which many in the past have made the mistake to do.

What point would their be in explaining or trying to help someone who cannot at least acknowledge God? It would be like teaching calculus to a fetus.

Get a new username. When you start actually thinking for yourself then it would fit, but not while you're afraid of debate

What good does it do to debate the spirit with one who clearly has no soul.

Those who hear it, hold the spirit, those who don't, don't. Just like Jesus said, nothing more to say honestly.

Like I said, run away from debate. Come up with any excuse you can to keep your worldview limited and make yourself feel justified about your beliefs. At the end of the day, you're still running.

Hey man, you got all the answers using your fancy science!

Never claimed I had all the answers and neither does science. But science keeps an open mind and continually asks questions in the pursuit of more knowledge of the world around us, the exact opposite of what you and your religion do.

Yet you have not approached me in a way where such a debate could happen.

Your initial question was for me to perform miracles like Jesus did, this is not science. Honestly, for someone who is so down with science, you sure don't know how to pose a good question.

Seriously go back through this comment and chain and tell me that again. That's extremely dishonest.

Asked you for proof of the existence of God a million times now. Even gave you a bible verse that says God gives me a free pass to do so.

You want more questions that I know you won't answer?

Why does the bible say earth is 6000 years old when it's not? We see galaxies from distances further than 6000 light years, meaning the universe had to exist before 600 years.

Why does the bible say the earth was created before the sun and moon, which is impossible?

Why does the bible say a man that lived to be hundreds of years old built a ship that is a physical impossibility and filled it with 20,000 creatures when we know more than 10,000 existed at that time?

Why do the fossil records not corroborate what the bible says happened during the flood?

Why does the bible condone forcing a woman to marry her rapist?

Why does the bible condone stoning your misbehaving child to death?

Why does the bible condone stoning a woman to death if she is not a virgin on her wedding night?

Why does the bible condone stoning a man to death if he works on sabbath?

Why does the bible condone slavery and abuse of slaves as long as they are able to walk after a few days after the act of abuse?

Btw, I'm sure you know all those bad things are old testament. Matthew 5:17-18 says Jesus did not come to abolish the old testament. So if you don't do those things, does that mean you're going to hell? Why not? Jesus said you must follow all of his laws, new and old.

There's a small sample of 10 questions for you. Are you going to answer them or are you going to find another excuse to dodge them?

1. Asked you for proof of the existence of God a million times now. Even gave you a bible verse that says God gives me a free pass to do so.

Again, if you think I am the messiah that can perform miracles, you are incorrect. You are literally not reading correctly. So let's break some stuff down for you, since your science cannot help you understand what you are reading. How one can be such a fan of science and not apply it to two simple precepts in the Bible is beyond me but whatever.

John 10:37-38King James Version (KJV)

37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

Okay so the above is spoken by Jesus, he was the Messiah and could perform miracles. This is because God gave him the powers to heal and do other cool stuff like walk on water, and make lots of food out of only a little bit of food. Now see, I am not the messiah, therefore this passage cannot be applied to me since I am not the messiah. Now I don't know how your scientific mind could not break down that I am not the messiah nor that this is Jesus talking but I don't think you are making scientists look good whatsoever when you cannot even break down who is talking within a precept of the Bible. For future references the Bible is not just a book you can grab quotes from when you feel like it, it tells us how it's supposed to be read.

Isaiah 28:10King James Version (KJV)

10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

2. Why does the bible say earth is 6000 years old when it's not? We see galaxies from distances further than 6000 light years, meaning the universe had to exist before 600 years.

In fact it was science that dated the earth 6000 years old

In 1701 the date 4004 B.C. for the year of creation was inserted as a marginal commentary in the English edition of the Great Bible by Bishop Lloyd and, by association, thus being incorporated into the dogma of the Christian church. By the time the theory of evolution came into open conflict with church dogma, almost every Bible published in the nineteenth century had Usshers date appended to the first page, followed by the sequential dates throughout to the time of the birth of Christ. As the church succumbed to the reasonings of science, these dates were quietly dropped from the Bibles beginning around the turn of this century (Ian Taylor, In the Minds of Men, Revised Edition, Toronto: TFE Publishing, 1987, p. 284

Source

As we know, the King James Bible was translated in 1611, almost 100 years before this newer, scientific Bible even surfaced which started this theory.

3. Why does the bible say the earth was created before the sun and moon, which is impossible?

If a tree falls in a forest and nobody is around to hear or see it fall, did it still fall?

4. Why does the bible say a man that lived to be hundreds of years old built a ship that is a physical impossibility and filled it with 20,000 creatures when we know more than 10,000 existed at that time?

Yes, but who said that there were more than 10,000 creatures at the time? SCIENCE, you see, science again is a doctrine, a belief system. For someone in our own time to claim that they somehow had the knowings of what happened thousands of years ago and place it out in the public means that people have to use faith to believe it!

Did you do the fossil tests yourself? No? Well that's odd, because you weren't there for when God walked the earth either but you don't believe that...

5. Why do the fossil records not corroborate what the bible says happened during the flood?

Based by who? Again, science! You did not get up and go and do these test yourself, you read them somewhere and decided you would have faith and believe them.

6. Why does the bible condone forcing a woman to marry her rapist?

7. Why does the bible condone stoning your misbehaving child to death?

8. Why does the bible condone stoning a woman to death if she is not a virgin on her wedding night?

9. Why does the bible condone stoning a man to death if he works on sabbath?

10. Why does the bible condone slavery and abuse of slaves as long as they are able to walk after a few days after the act of abuse?

Do you not understand the Bible? Have you even attempted to read it? It tells a story. The world was given to the wicked because the Hebrews fell. This was due to the stumbling block placed before them by the other nations who took council against them and then enslaved them.

A easy way to look at it is the world elite at the time were good therefore, everything below the elite of the pyramid was also good. If the head is correct, so is the tail. When these words were given, the world was much different. A woman and her virginity mattered, since the wicked inherited the world as mentioned in Deuteronomy 28 how the Hebrews would fall and the wicked people would take over until Revelation is completed (World War 3). In which the wicked would be destroyed as mentioned in Revelation, Ezekiel, Obadiah, and Habakkuk when God comes back with his chariots (UFOs).

You must understand that much of the world lives in sin, openly and without a care in the world. Just look at what you are doing, you are literally going around being a know it all the point that you think you somehow figured it all out and can somehow debunk the Bible. That's a pretty large assumption.

Btw, I'm sure you know all those bad things are old testament. Matthew 5:17-18 says Jesus did not come to abolish the old testament. So if you don't do those things, does that mean you're going to hell? Why not? Jesus said you must follow all of his laws, new and old.

Matthew 5:17-20King James Version (KJV)

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

So here we can clearly tell that Jesus was pretty much clear on people that would go around teaching men it's okay to sin and denouncing the Bible. As you yourself have mentioned that only God may judge our spirit but man can judge the flesh. The commandments of the Bible should be followed to the best of our ability, for only God himself is perfect. Aiming high to make sure you are not breaking them will help one lead a righteous lifestyle. I cannot tell you what we go to hell for, I am not the most high. A man who has the wisdom inside him though is a man that will question every action when it needs to be. A man who doesn't will walk the earth concerning himself only with the flesh, ultimately drowning in sin.

Good day sir.

Fuck that was a mess. Go take a science class. "Science is a doctrine, a belief" no jackass, science is a method to learn. That's it. It's objective. To tell me science claims the earth is less than 6000, science claims the ark had 10,000 animals, fuck off. If you really believe that, you're a moron that needs to open a damn book that isn't the bible for once. There's a whole world of enjoyment out there and you limit yourself to one book. You sir are dishonest as hell, dancing around questions and twisting them to once again try to absolve yourself from the responsibility of a burden of proof which you cannot do. You make a claim, you must support it and prove it is true. Which you do not and cannot do. You don't understand basic science or philosophy and yet talk about them like you do. The only thing you know is the bible and not even that well.

Science is a doctrine, there is no way around it. This is true from the fact that white washing occurred.

You see, there are people out there don't don't even understand human history because scientist changed it on purpose. Therefore, science is nothing more than a belief system.

If you really believe that, you're a moron that needs to open a damn book that isn't the bible for once. There's a whole world of enjoyment out there and you limit yourself to one book. You sir are dishonest as hell, dancing around questions and twisting them to once again try to absolve yourself from the responsibility of a burden of proof which you cannot do.

Who said that I only read the Bible? I've read many books and understand many things.

You sir are dishonest as hell, dancing around questions and twisting them to once again try to absolve yourself from the responsibility of a burden of proof which you cannot do. You make a claim, you must support it and prove it is true. Which you do not and cannot do. You don't understand basic science or philosophy and yet talk about them like you do. The only thing you know is the bible and not even that well.

Again, I go back to John 8:42

42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

You cannot hear his words because God has blocked you from doing so. Instead, go and live in the flesh as you praise it so much. You don't deserve to know the knowledge of the Bible just like Jesus said.

....you literally just said God has blocked me from hearing his words. Which means he is sending me to hell by his own accord by withholding evidence from me....but he loves me...

What a swell guy. Loves me but is going to keep information from me that would save my soul and thus he's going to punish me for his actions. Great guy.

....you literally just said God has blocked me from hearing his words. Which means he is sending me to hell by his own accord by withholding evidence from me....but he loves me...

On the contrary, you are sending yourself down this path. Law of attraction.

What a swell guy. Loves me but is going to keep information from me that would save my soul and thus he's going to punish me for his actions. Great guy.

I do not love the wicked, only tolerate.

I have collected fossils myself. From stratigraphic layers dated to be millions of years old. I like how you continually state what I believe and are so fucking wrong it's dumb.

And you didn't answer that question either.

Ah yes, now you are some how a scientist. Credentials or fuck off.

Do you need credentials to perform science? No. You don't. As I said it's as method.

Such language from such a holy person! I wonder what Jesus would say to your use of curse words?

Ah but you can't come to in online forum, get into a debate and then claim you are a scientist. While me providing proof of God is impossible because the belief is based on faith...

Surely your credentials to your connection with science (archeology at that) is sufficient evidence and not just a ploy to further make you seem like you can't be wrong in a debate.

Where did I claim "I'm a scientist"?

I didn't. Wanna keep putting words in my mouth?

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Science is a method by which you can learn about the world around you. Again....ANYONE CAN DO IT! YOU CAN TOO! You don't believe the science books? That's fine. The great thing about scientific papers is that they describe their entire method to you that way YOU CAN DO IT YOURSELF. You don't need a book to do science.

You wrote:

I have collected fossils myself. From stratigraphic layers dated to be millions of years old. I like how you continually state what I believe and are so fucking wrong it's dumb.

And you didn't answer that question either.

If it was not your intent to proclaim you were scientist, then why was this point even made? Yet another ploy by you.

To show you, again, that you can do it yourself. Fucking read dude. How many times do I have to repeat what I've said.

Go out to Kentucky, near Maysville. You'll collect a bunch of fossils from the Ordovician age. Don't believe me? Fine. Take those fossils to a location that possesses radiometric dating. Use something other than carbon dating since that is only accurate up to about 45,000 years. Tell me what the machine tells you.

That's information that you can get yourself. No books needed. No other scientists needed.

Again, the Bible does not state the time frame you have presented. Science did this then science retracted it, you are again arguing with the science you cling on to so much.

If you do not believe what I have put above, simply post the passage that says what you are claiming. I know you can't so I won't hold my breathe on the reply.

http://creation.mobi/6000-years

Your religion uses genealogies, which blows my mind, since that runs off the assumption that man was here when the Earth was created. The evidence of my claim? Genesis.

Thing is there is 0 evidence that we were here when Earth formed and a plethora of evidence that we arrived billions of years after. The Bible cannot be evidence to support the bible. I can do the same thing with Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings. It doesn't prove or disprove anything.

Ex: orcs exist. Why? Lord of the rings said so.

Again, another source of science interpreting the words of the Bible.

Can you provide me with the evidence of where it says in the Bible the earth is 6000 years old? No evidence, didn't happen? Isn't that your motto?

Lol only like the interpretations when they fit your worldview, huh? Heretic. You would be burned at the stake 500 years ago for saying that. You're lucky you live in a world where reason and logic rules over superstitious beliefs. Separation of church and state really helped you out there

https://answersingenesis.org/age-of-the-earth/how-old-is-the-earth/

In case you need more evidence that the Bible says the earth is 6000 years old.

From your source.

Where Did a Young-earth Worldview Come From?

Simply put, it came from the Bible. Of course, the Bible doesn’t say explicitly anywhere, “The earth is 6,000 years old.” Good thing it doesn’t; otherwise it would be out of date the following year. But we wouldn’t expect an all-knowing God to make that kind of a mistake.

Again, give me where it says in the Bible.

Wow. Now you're brushing aside what the rest of it says. Ok I'll lay it out for you

God makes earth

God makes man a few days after

Long line of unbroken genealogies given by the bible, explicitly stating how old each person lived to be

The genealogies begin 6000 years ago

Your bible does say it. Whether you understand it or not doesn't matter. The Bible gives you a very detailed time line of these people's lives all the way back to the first man whom was supposedly created days after the earth. 6000 years

Be more dishonest please

Ah but you can't post that from the Bible.

What you can do is regurgitate is a scientific theory that started in the 1700's.

I mean you are a man of science so have fun with that.

You realize how long it would take to post all of the "_____ begot _____. And he lived to be 800 and whatever" right?

I've proven that your bible makes that claim. It's wrong. Sorry dude

I see Jesus talking about breaking a commandment, not saying it's ok to sin. You even twist your Lords words to fit your precious narrative. Wow

Yes, teaching men to sin is what you are doing. You are telling people there is no God.

I'm asking for evidence. That's not saying there is no God. Dishoneat

No, you instinctively came to this post to declare how much you don't believe in God. It was like your wicked spirit felt the need to come out and proclaim how much you want to denounce god.

I came to this post to ask for evidence of God. I want to show people their flawed way of thinking. This world is a sad place because people don't think for themselves and don't have discourse about important topics like these. Just ask the middle east.

I came to this post to ask for evidence of God. I want to show people their flawed way of thinking. This world is a sad place because people don't think for themselves and don't have discourse about important topics like these. Just ask the middle east.

In other words, you came to this post to disprove the most high. Which is beyond silly and more than wicked.

What shall I ask the middle east?

And yet you still have 0 proof.

Ask the middle east how following a religion is working for them. They used to be the bastion of society, the epitome of civilization with technological and intellectual breakthroughs. Then Islam came along and put them into a hole they haven't been able to get out of since. They are a civilization devoid of the scientific method, instead choosing to believe what some people wrote in a book. It reflects very well.

Btw, Einstein, Hawking, Tyson, Kaku, just 4 examples of intelligent guys that reject the idea of a Christian God. "Einstein believe in God" he believed in something that caused existence, caused the big bang, that's it.

I never said man can judge flesh either. I said your God says that he is THE judge. Fuck I'm done. You're so dishonest. There's no talking to you.

I never said man can judge flesh either. I said your God says that he is THE judge. Fuck I'm done. You're so dishonest. There's no talking to you.

You said that I cannot judge you earlier for speaking AGAINST the Bible, I said that I could judge you by your current actions but not your spirit for only God can do this.

Again, something YOU said. Not me. dishonest

Your own words:

No I ask for tangible proof which is what God gives me permission to do. Why do you keep it from me? Do you not want to save my soul? Do you not care about one of God's creations? Why does he keep hood proof from me? Has he already predestined me for eternal punishment?

And how do you know what lifestyle I live? You know nothing about me other than that I ask for proof before believing in something. I know that by claiming I live a life devoted to the flesh, you're judging me, which is something Jesus wasn't too fond of.

Yet, you call me dishonest.

John 7:24King James Version (KJV)

24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

Yeah. I said you did judge me. You said that humans are allowed to judge the flesh. I didn't make that claim you did.

You love dancing in circles

You are dancing in circles yourself. You just said that you didn't say anything about judging and now you are saying you did.

Perhaps, coffee and going back over you said first would help you get your argument together.

Funny that you highlighted but you don't know what it says. The church succumbed to scientific reasoning. Gee, that's crazy. Almost like science disproved the bible and they had to rescind their claims to not look dumb.

Yes but it was science that changed it in the first place. Which is why I highlighted both parts.

Basically, science argued with science.

A man that was a part of science nay have theorized it that doesn't make him right or invalidate the scientific METHOD. Newton believed in God, and his scientific work was groundbreaking.

He's also been proven wrong about some stuff. Science is continually seeking the truth. You do not.

A man that was a part of science nay have theorized it that doesn't make him right or invalidate the scientific METHOD. Newton believed in God, and his scientific work was groundbreaking.

He's also been proven wrong about some stuff. Science is continually seeking the truth. You do not.

Newton believed in God is where Newton surpassed you.

Really? Where are your scientific breakthroughs then?

There are no scientific breakthroughs. You claimed that Newton just like many other scientists believe in God.

You on the other hand have taken it upon yourself to publicly announce how much God doesn't exist while clinging on to science which is fascinating in my honest opinion.

This is what separates you from real scientist because no real scientist would say such a thing. Both interact with each other and for someone to think they don't just proves they put more faith in science than they do the words of God. Which is something only a wicked man would do.

Putting words in my mouth. You are the most dishonest person I've ever discussed with.

"There are no scientific breakthroughs" tell that to the fucking polio vaccine dumbass

You said:

Really? Where are your scientific breakthroughs then?

You are the most retarded person I've ever discussed with I don't think you even read what you post.

I don't have any scientific breakthroughs which is what you asked for you simple and wicked fool.

Then say it like that. "There are no scientific breakthroughs" != "I have none" fucking really? Do I have to teach you basic English too?

You are the one that asked the question, I assumed you yourself knew what you typed. My bad for forgetting you were a simpleton and couldn't decipher my answer from the question you asked.

And the passage was written by man. The Bible is proven to be a collection of stories and poems from many men. Often contradicting itself, constantly being disproven, and based on 0 evidence. There is 0 proof Jesus existed outside of the Bible.

Would you use Harry Potter to prove wizards exist? Of course not, it's a collection of books based know 0 evidence. Same can be said for the Bible.

Your God has supposedly said that he will give evidence if I need it to believe. Why won't he give it to me? Why would your God want me to burn in hell? He's willingly withholding evidence from me even though he's given me permission to ask for it.

I'm serious. One shred of solid evidence of something that is reproducible and testable would immediately convert me. On the spot my faith would dwarf yours. But until then, I keep looking and I have yet to get any.

Hey man, if you like going around disproving the Bible, by all means go ahead.

Your username is so ironic given that you base your belief on 0 evidence and follow a religion that tries to control a lot of what you do. Why does God hate genitals so much? Wouldn't get just make us without em to just solve that problem? Why does he care if you wear more than one type of fabric? Or what you eat? Or when you make money? Seems like he could eliminate a lot of those problems at any point, and yet is willing to punish his most loved creation for all of those things.

When was the last time you stoned your misbehaving child? Or you forced a woman to marry her rapist?

The general population were shades of brown. The rulers had red hair and fair skin...

Which Egyptian ruler are you referring to?

Tut and his line. Hyksos. Not the early Nubians.

I'm trying to find a picture or something that says he was not a Hamite, all I keep getting is he was black except for a few places like France/Egypt saying he might have been lighter.

I have to do some digging to find the source but I read an article that claimed proof of his descendants moving north. Scotland got its name from Egyptian influences. Something along the line of scota being an Egyptian princess or something. Then there's the rock that is used for the throning ceremony.

Oh and a higher concentration of British dudes carry ancient Egyptian genes more so than modern Egyptians. Plus the high concentration of red heads in Scotland and stuff.

I can't really say much more without the article I read to cite from because it's not something I study or know much about. I remember it was from like the early 1900's I want to say 1913 but I don't remember. If I do find it I'll update.

You are correct in this aspect. The gene you are talking about is the E1b1b. This is because of the Albinos that slowly took over and became the white race we see today.

Can you point me to some of your research source material? I've had a hunch that albinism gave rise to white people, not pure albinism but a different variety of it. There was a story of an African couple giving birth to white kids and I thought that was interesting.

This is actually a very well put website on the subject, http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/White_people.htm

History will show us that the original people of all nations and genepools were in fact black, through the offset of becoming Albino, they would separate the albinos from the general population. This in turn would cause the Albinos to obviously breed among themselves and with other nations as well until you we got the Asian/White/Turkish races we see today. This is due to migration when Alexander the Great (first white conqueror) defeated Cyrus The Great and pretty much conquered the entire world. Before this, many parts of Asia and Europe were predominantly black.

This is why you will find that people like Hitler's blood contained African DNA. Because every white person alive today comes from a black ancestor if you go back far enough. The issue of race came into a global effect at the rise of white supremacy. This is why Alexander The Great would go around knocking the noses off of statues in Egypt. It was known as Hellinization. Let me be clear, I understand human history and both sides are wrong but I simply wanted to state where the racial change happened. Black over white and now white over black.

You will find that black gives birth to white but white does not give birth to blacks unless one of the parents is black, which of course means that the baby is mixed.

Now if you google "can white people give birth to black babies" you will find 2 stories, one is a lie and the man is a cuck.

The other involves a story all the way back from 1955 in Africa where a girl was born from two white people and she was black. It is not clear on if there was infidelity in this case but I suppose anything is possible. Although it should be noted that the clear gap in decades from an actual story of this happening is much further than it is for blacks which happens every few months (likes it's new or something for some reason).

Not to mention the literal camps that still exist in Africa for the albino genepool.

Great thank you for the links!

No problem bro, I hope that you find whatever it is you are looking for!

how about you prove that god isn't real?

I can't prove God isn't real just as you can't prove leprechauns and unicorns and dragons aren't. This is why the burden of proof lies with the person making the claim.

I'm not saying God doesn't exist. I'm asking for evidence that would lead to that conclusion.

cool. but as you said no one can prove either way so why look into humans to prove gods existence when they cant? just seems like a viscious circle

I didn't say no one could prove either way. I said I cannot prove God doesn't exist.

But to claim that he does you need evidence. If you have an idea that is backed by 0 evidence, it's not a valid idea. Correct me if I'm wrong, but your entire premise is built on unknowns that come from a book that was written by men that uses itself to support itself. That's not logical, that's not valid, that's not how you learn about the world around us. That's circular reasoning and you learn nothing.

We can observe and test the natural world around us. By doing so, we 0 evidence that God exists. So how can we come to the conclusion he does exist if the evidence doesn't support it?

If you're being charged with a murder, but there is 0 evidence that connects you to said murder, would you expect to be declared innocent or guilty? I would hope innocent and if the justice system worked as it should, you would be. The only people who know the truth are the people that committed the murder and the victim(s). Since we can't ask the victims, we use evidence to decide who is guilty. Eyewitness testimony is the weakest form of evidence as people have been known to lie and even misremember memories. Thus physical, tangible evidence is the most reliable as it cannot lie. It can be misinterpreted but it cannot lie. The best way to avoid misinterpretation is to examine every detail possible and try to come up with the simplest, least convoluted answer. It would take extremely complicated stories to conclude that you committed the murder if there is no evidence that concludes it.

Principle of parsimony

no one will be able to prove it to you. you either take a leap of faith and do more research than you already have or just believe in survival of the fittest. the only proof i have is what i have seen with my own eyes that isnt worth sharing with people that will only talk my experiences down with ignorant arguments. i dont need anybody to believe in what i believe in, but since i have been trying to walk it out i personally have become a more considerate person to others no matter what their religion, race, or past. thats good for me and i only need to be convinced, i dont need to convince others.

Done plenty of research and I'm not done. But the more actual non-biased research I do, applying reasoning, and testing the Bibles claims, the more it seems like an impossibility. I can't blindly believe in God just as you cannot blindly believe in Allah or the tooth fairy. Just as those seem illogical to you, God is illogical to me. We have evidence that contradicts many of the Bibles claims and the lists grows longer with time. Before long, it will more than likely follow the path mythologies such as shamanism and the Greek pantheon traveled- a series of myths and moral stories that are only believed by a select few due to the world gaining more accurate knowledge than those mythologies claim.

That's fine the you don't feel the need to prove your beliefs. Just don't be surprised when people call you out on it and call your beliefs out for what they most likely are, myth derived from religions that preceded it. Noah's ark = epic of gilgamesh. Virgin birth, resurrection, etc = Zoroastrianism. Don't be surprised when people tell you your thinking is flawed as you believe based on 0 proof. (Let's be honest, if you had proof, you'd share it with everyone. You'd be the most famous person in the history of the world. The person that proved God was real.)

My position is only that I require evidence of claims of the world around me. The evidence points towards our universe (and time) coming forth from a singularity. The evidence points towards life evolving over the course of billions of years through a series of changes to the gene pool as a result of environmental pressures. The evidence points towards the Bible being a series of books put together by a select group of men, deliberately leaving out many stories (such as Lilith) for the purpose of controlling people and other non divine reasons.

Now whether you choose to believe this evidence is irrelevant. It exists. Now what's great about it is if you don't believe it, then use their methods to show why they're wrong. Every scientific article that details an experiment or observation will detail out the entirety of the methods and instruments used. They will detail their process out step by step by step. They want you to do it yourself. They want you to try to disprove them. If you do disprove it, you have just learned about the world. If you cannot disprove it, you build upon that experiment to find out why you cannot. Then maybe you can disprove it, maybe not. But you keep looking for answers.

If you don't believe evolution, go find some fossils and have them radiometrically dated yourself. Do the experiment yourself.

If you don't believe in the big bang, build or buy your own telescope(s) to study the stars and planets. You'll probably need some mathematical knowledge, but that's ok. We can agree mathematics is a useful tool to learn about the world around us, yes? (Ex: How long would it take you to get to work? Using calculus that answer is quite simple given the necessary info).

By using these methods, you can learn yourself that the Bible is most likely incorrect about the universe. The difference between you and i, as I used to be Christian, is that I have an innate desire to know the truth, no matter what that truth may be. You are comfortable with being wrong as long as you feel good about it, and you will protect that feeling in the face of truth.

Done plenty of research and I'm not done. But the more actual non-biased research I do, applying reasoning, and testing the Bibles claims, the more it seems like an impossibility. I can't blindly believe in God just as you cannot blindly believe in Allah or the tooth fairy. Just as those seem illogical to you, God is illogical to me. We have evidence that contradicts many of the Bibles claims and the lists grows longer with time. Before long, it will more than likely follow the path mythologies such as shamanism and the Greek pantheon traveled- a series of myths and moral stories that are only believed by a select few due to the world gaining more accurate knowledge than those mythologies claim.

That's fine the you don't feel the need to prove your beliefs. Just don't be surprised when people call you out on it and call your beliefs out for what they most likely are, myth derived from religions that preceded it. Noah's ark = epic of gilgamesh. Virgin birth, resurrection, etc = Zoroastrianism. Don't be surprised when people tell you your thinking is flawed as you believe based on 0 proof. (Let's be honest, if you had proof, you'd share it with everyone. You'd be the most famous person in the history of the world. The person that proved God was real.)

My position is only that I require evidence of claims of the world around me. The evidence points towards our universe (and time) coming forth from a singularity. The evidence points towards life evolving over the course of billions of years through a series of changes to the gene pool as a result of environmental pressures. The evidence points towards the Bible being a series of books put together by a select group of men, deliberately leaving out many stories (such as Lilith) for the purpose of controlling people and other non divine reasons.

Now whether you choose to believe this evidence is irrelevant. It exists. Now what's great about it is if you don't believe it, then use their methods to show why they're wrong. Every scientific article that details an experiment or observation will detail out the entirety of the methods and instruments used. They will detail their process out step by step by step. They want you to do it yourself. They want you to try to disprove them. If you do disprove it, you have just learned about the world. If you cannot disprove it, you build upon that experiment to find out why you cannot. Then maybe you can disprove it, maybe not. But you keep looking for answers.

If you don't believe evolution, go find some fossils and have them radiometrically dated yourself. Do the experiment yourself.

If you don't believe in the big bang, build or buy your own telescope(s) to study the stars and planets. You'll probably need some mathematical knowledge, but that's ok. We can agree mathematics is a useful tool to learn about the world around us, yes? (Ex: How long would it take you to get to work? Using calculus that answer is quite simple given the necessary info).

By using these methods, you can learn yourself that the Bible is most likely incorrect about the universe. The difference between you and i, as I used to be Christian, is that I have an innate desire to know the truth, no matter what that truth may be. You are comfortable with being wrong as long as you feel good about it, and you will protect that feeling in the face of truth.

now you're calling it a myth when you said yourself that you cant prove that god isnt real. if thats your idea of an intelligent debate then you are an idiot. and in your reply, you did not provide any proof at all.you can reply to this all you want but im out. take care

I will reply just because I don't appreciate people putting words in my mouth or trying to twist them to ad hominem.

By making the claim "you can't prove God is or isn't real" I'm stating that we must use evidence to discover the truth. The evidence thus points towards the Christian God not being real, not a God in general. And I said it's likely a myth, likely is a big difference than is. Again, the evidence supports what I say.

I can give you evidence, lots. Will you honestly and objectively look at it? If so, I will gladly provide it to you.

If you're going to run away when you fail to defend your beliefs, by all means. I'm willing to admit I'm wrong and I hope I am wrong about a lot of things. I hope to learn more and more about the world we live in. I can't help you if you want to stay in a bubble.

Also, I'd hardly call this a debate as you have asked a lot of questions but addressed only on or two of my points. A debate is an exchange of ideas. You haven't challenged my ideas. Only stated "buy you said you can't prove God isn't real" (how this automatically means he is real is beyond me. That's why the burden of proof is on you, not me). If you want to debate, you can begin by addressing several of the issues I've brought up.

Or run

I just wanna smoke weed, play video games and go camping every once and a while. Fuck all this bullshit. Fairy tales have no place in my mind and that's exactly what all the religious nonsense is. Fairy tales. Population control. Keep people thinking they know all the answers that way they never question the truth. Religion is for weak minded folks. Science is for the strong minded.

Hey man, you got all the answers using your fancy science!

Ah yes, now you are some how a scientist. Credentials or fuck off.

how about you prove that god isn't real?