It's all over the newspapers, the Wednesday star had it as a headliner, his father is also a lawyer...I believe the ride itself is still closed, but I could be wrong.
I see, now we have a motive posited. What would this government agency be that would require a huge media hoax involving a faked child's death on a water slide? Water slide regulation?
Every piece of news I've looked for advances the story but doesn't present the information it claims to.
For instance,
The eyewitness articles didn't have any eye witness testimony.
There is not one video or picture of anything relevant to it.. anything.
I just watched a new video that claims to have info from the fellow riders but it's just a statement the news team shows on a screen promising an investigation.
I mean, are the kid's dad and local police lying too? Are the witnesses lying? I'm unclear as to what you want to have right now during an ongoing investigation.
Well, given that between a police investigation, a funeral, news reports, eyewitnesses, his own father... I would suggest that the extraordinary claim is that it didn't happen.
What is any evidence that there's a coverup? What would be gained?
I mean, the Daily Mail has video of the pooled blood at the bottom of the ride and the first responders. I'm going to go ahead and believe this happened.
You believe what you want. But take a moment and notice how the news man clearly lies about what that witness saw. Which is more accurately depicted here.
When the newsman tells the story for castenada, it differs from the quotes castaneda gave of the account.
A big difference to note, Castaneda says he did not see what happened, the newsman claims he did.
Also, the newsman says Castaneda said "theres nothing we can do" as if he was with the child, but Castaneda says he was told "there is nothing we can do" while not with the child.
Castenada says he saw Schwab exit the raft and saw blood. I'm confused as to what you're claiming to be discrepancies.
The child was decapitated, there was nothing anyone could do. You can find video of the responders and fire trucks. You can see a pool of blood. They had a funeral. The ride is closed.
You're not making any sense, dude. What exactly are the lies, again? Castenada claims to have seen at least part of the series of events. That's what an eyewitness is.
So, are you now actively claiming the event didn't happen, and that all the media reports, police and first responder reports, his own father, witnesses... are lies? That it's a coverup to... Uh, do what again?
Which video was clearly wrong? They both have Castenada explaining what he saw. Again, you seem to posit the claim that this event did not take place, but you offer literally no evidence.
Everything I said is still up, and it's enough to make you look stupid. So if you want to have a conversation go back and try to understand what I said.
Well, there is the mountain of news coverage, police involvement, a funeral, his father's statements, eyewitness accounts, video of the scene... That's evidence it did happen.
At which point positing that it did not happen is the more extraordinary claim, and would require evidence. Between the two claims the burden of proof is on you to show me a single thing. It's clear that I have shown somethig.
What would a motive even be to make it up?
I mean show me a single thing other than blanket-claiming all the evidence is a lie.
you might say that i'm being crazy saying these are crisis actors.
But this video was actually listed on the CrisisActors.org website BEFORE they made it account only. You could probably find in On the wayback machine, but Archive.org didnt take a picture of the whole site, so youll have to dig thru dates to find it.
don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see
I thought it was lazy when you admitted that you were sending me the first video on youtube you could find, then the first article i read proved your video to be a lie.
Just use your ears. Everything the news man says goes against the quotes of the man who he is claiming said them. Its not rocket science. It's a man posing as a newsman making up facts while they cut in picture of a man who said different things than what the news man said.
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8 Jellybeanhk 2016-08-20
It's all over the newspapers, the Wednesday star had it as a headliner, his father is also a lawyer...I believe the ride itself is still closed, but I could be wrong.
-2 MichaelAirJordan23 2016-08-20
That's not proof that something actually happened.
3 hikikomori_forest 2016-08-20
It's evidence. Do you have any evidence it did not happen?
-3 MichaelAirJordan23 2016-08-20
My unfulfilled challenge to bring one eye witness account, or non fatal victim picture to light.
3 hikikomori_forest 2016-08-20
So, you have no evidence it didn't happen. Gotcha, just checking.
1 damnit-imtoast 2016-08-20
Here and here. Thanks for playing.
3 jackaljones 2016-08-20
what reason would anyone have for fabricating this event?
1 hikikomori_forest 2016-08-20
I for one blame Soros.
-1 MichaelAirJordan23 2016-08-20
To create a new government agency.
2 hikikomori_forest 2016-08-20
I see, now we have a motive posited. What would this government agency be that would require a huge media hoax involving a faked child's death on a water slide? Water slide regulation?
1 hikikomori_forest 2016-08-20
ok, why not?
0 MichaelAirJordan23 2016-08-20
Every piece of news I've looked for advances the story but doesn't present the information it claims to.
For instance, The eyewitness articles didn't have any eye witness testimony. There is not one video or picture of anything relevant to it.. anything.
I just watched a new video that claims to have info from the fellow riders but it's just a statement the news team shows on a screen promising an investigation.
I can't find any proof it did happen.
5 hikikomori_forest 2016-08-20
http://www.kansascity.com/news/article96777077.html
http://www.kctv5.com/story/32728072/source-boy-who-died-at-schlitterbahn-was-decapitated
http://www.people.com/article/scott-schwab-speaks-about-death-caleb-schwab
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/07/us/kansas-schlitterbahn-water-park-child-death/
I mean, are the kid's dad and local police lying too? Are the witnesses lying? I'm unclear as to what you want to have right now during an ongoing investigation.
-1 MichaelAirJordan23 2016-08-20
one piece of proof it happened. Just one solid piece of proof. Which you didn't supply.
One picture of one victim or one witness on camera besides the state official father.
One piece of solid evidence like you can find in any other tragedy you hear about in the news.
2 hikikomori_forest 2016-08-20
Well, given that between a police investigation, a funeral, news reports, eyewitnesses, his own father... I would suggest that the extraordinary claim is that it didn't happen.
What is any evidence that there's a coverup? What would be gained?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/women-same-raft-caleb-schwab-8659032
Is this like when conspiracy theorists wanted pictures of the dead kids from Newtown, Mass?
-1 MichaelAirJordan23 2016-08-20
All I ask for is one picture of one of the victims, or a living breathing eye witness.
1 hikikomori_forest 2016-08-20
So, you want a picture of Caleb Schwab's dead body.
0 MichaelAirJordan23 2016-08-20
No, there were two other victims, and there should be tons of witnesses.
I'm having a hard time finding before or after pics of the other two victims.
3 hikikomori_forest 2016-08-20
Here's the first result for "caleb schwab eyewitness" on YouTube: https://youtu.be/OODCPywn7Cw
I mean, the Daily Mail has video of the pooled blood at the bottom of the ride and the first responders. I'm going to go ahead and believe this happened.
0 MichaelAirJordan23 2016-08-20
You believe what you want. But take a moment and notice how the news man clearly lies about what that witness saw. Which is more accurately depicted here.
http://www.kake.com/story/32724023/schlitterbahn-tragedy-puts-ride-inspection-process-under-scrutiny
When the newsman tells the story for castenada, it differs from the quotes castaneda gave of the account.
A big difference to note, Castaneda says he did not see what happened, the newsman claims he did.
Also, the newsman says Castaneda said "theres nothing we can do" as if he was with the child, but Castaneda says he was told "there is nothing we can do" while not with the child.
1 hikikomori_forest 2016-08-20
Castenada says he saw Schwab exit the raft and saw blood. I'm confused as to what you're claiming to be discrepancies.
The child was decapitated, there was nothing anyone could do. You can find video of the responders and fire trucks. You can see a pool of blood. They had a funeral. The ride is closed.
You're grasping at straws.
-1 MichaelAirJordan23 2016-08-20
Was the proof you provided a news video full of lies?
Yes or no?
1 hikikomori_forest 2016-08-20
You're not making any sense, dude. What exactly are the lies, again? Castenada claims to have seen at least part of the series of events. That's what an eyewitness is.
-1 MichaelAirJordan23 2016-08-20
Now who looks stupid?
1 hikikomori_forest 2016-08-20
So, are you now actively claiming the event didn't happen, and that all the media reports, police and first responder reports, his own father, witnesses... are lies? That it's a coverup to... Uh, do what again?
Because that would look pretty stupid.
0 MichaelAirJordan23 2016-08-20
Not as stupid as you.
2 hikikomori_forest 2016-08-20
Just gonna copy that one before the inevitable delete.
1 MichaelAirJordan23 2016-08-20
You're the one who posted a video that was clearly wrong and then turned this into a name calling contest.
I won both the factual argument and the name calling contest.
2 hikikomori_forest 2016-08-20
I never called you a name.
Which video was clearly wrong? They both have Castenada explaining what he saw. Again, you seem to posit the claim that this event did not take place, but you offer literally no evidence.
I didn't make this thread, you did.
1 MichaelAirJordan23 2016-08-20
Everything I said is still up, and it's enough to make you look stupid. So if you want to have a conversation go back and try to understand what I said.
1 hikikomori_forest 2016-08-20
As I understand it you seem to be claiming Caleb Schwab was not killed on the water slide, but offer nothing by way of evidence.
1 MichaelAirJordan23 2016-08-20
Furthermore, what I do have proof of is that you present lies as evidence.
1 hikikomori_forest 2016-08-20
What were the lies again?
2 MichaelAirJordan23 2016-08-20
Everything the entertainer said in your video contradicted the quotes given in the News article.
1 hikikomori_forest 2016-08-20
What is the "contradiction" that makes you think that Schwab was not killed on the water slide?
2 MichaelAirJordan23 2016-08-20
There's no witnesses when they say there are.
The people the news claims witnessed the event claimed they did not witness the event.
0 hikikomori_forest 2016-08-20
Castenada is claiming that he witnessed the events, that he turned his head and saw the body out of the seat of the ride. That he saw blood.
0 MichaelAirJordan23 2016-08-20
You don't have to prove something didn't happen if there is no proof it did happen.
Fake news reports filled with easily proven lies are what you bring to the table while trying to prove me wrong.
1 hikikomori_forest 2016-08-20
Well, there is the mountain of news coverage, police involvement, a funeral, his father's statements, eyewitness accounts, video of the scene... That's evidence it did happen.
At which point positing that it did not happen is the more extraordinary claim, and would require evidence. Between the two claims the burden of proof is on you to show me a single thing. It's clear that I have shown somethig.
What would a motive even be to make it up?
I mean show me a single thing other than blanket-claiming all the evidence is a lie.
1 MichaelAirJordan23 2016-08-20
You're wrong.
1 MichaelAirJordan23 2016-08-20
(I don't talk myself out of winning positions)
-1 anarchopotato 2016-08-20
we live in a madhouse
Why does AP report these Crisis Actors as real news.
you might say that i'm being crazy saying these are crisis actors.
But this video was actually listed on the CrisisActors.org website BEFORE they made it account only. You could probably find in On the wayback machine, but Archive.org didnt take a picture of the whole site, so youll have to dig thru dates to find it.
don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see
1 hikikomori_forest 2016-08-20
I mean, we're talking about something else.
Do you have any evidence that a "crisis actor" was involved here?
Also, anyone who has fire department or EMT training probably finds the cognitive dissonance regarding what "crisis actor" actually means hilarious.
1 hikikomori_forest 2016-08-20
I see we've entered the intellectually lazy portion of the discussion.
1 MichaelAirJordan23 2016-08-20
I thought it was lazy when you admitted that you were sending me the first video on youtube you could find, then the first article i read proved your video to be a lie.
1 hikikomori_forest 2016-08-20
The videos I've shown you are news reports, not some bullshit basement 9/11 edit.
You have yet to explain what the big lie is.
1 MichaelAirJordan23 2016-08-20
Just use your ears. Everything the news man says goes against the quotes of the man who he is claiming said them. Its not rocket science. It's a man posing as a newsman making up facts while they cut in picture of a man who said different things than what the news man said.
1 hikikomori_forest 2016-08-20
So the reporter paraphrasing Castenada makes you believe that Schwab was not killed on the ride?
I'm not even clear on what the grand contradiction is? That he was part of a group of first responders that immediately realized the kid was headless?
1 MichaelAirJordan23 2016-08-20
He didn't paraphrase him, he changed every important detail.
1 hikikomori_forest 2016-08-20
What is the changed detail that has convinced you Schwab was not killed on the ride?
1 MichaelAirJordan23 2016-08-20
Which lie made me think the liar was lying?
I'll think about that.
1 hikikomori_forest 2016-08-20
Yes, please think and maybe actually say a single thing resembling evidence that it didn't happen. I can wait.
1 MichaelAirJordan23 2016-08-20
The lies and lack of evidence leave me unconvinced it did happen.
1 hikikomori_forest 2016-08-20
Do us all a favor and maybe pick a thing.