The "Mandela Effect" Is A Psyop
11 2016-08-26 by austincherney
The topic is only trending in the United States and Australia.
I think this might have something to do with trying to fuck with people's heads ahead of the election.
Any thoughts?
11 2016-08-26 by austincherney
The topic is only trending in the United States and Australia.
I think this might have something to do with trying to fuck with people's heads ahead of the election.
Any thoughts?
42 comments
3 [deleted] 2016-08-26
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3 polkadotgirl 2016-08-26
Dude I'm not a shill. Check my post history. I'm a teacher in the Southwest fascinated by the effect. I don't believe it's faulty memory. I have never even said I for sure know what it is. Jesus.
0 [deleted] 2016-08-26
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3 Axana 2016-08-26
"You're angry that I called you a shill. Therefore, you must be a shill."
That's some sound logic right there.
3 polkadotgirl 2016-08-26
Somebody messaged me and said that I was being called a shill.
So, I was just responding to that.
1 Sabremesh 2016-08-26
Removed. Rule 10.
-4 Axana 2016-08-26
"Two people that I don't like believe in the Mandela Effect so therefore it must be a psy-op."
And here I thought /r/conspiracy valued critical thinking skills.
6 [deleted] 2016-08-26
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4 Axana 2016-08-26
Since you've only been a Redditor for 18 days (and, curiously, only post in /r/conspiracy), then I'll assume that you've never seen quotes used as obvious parody and sarcasm.
2 flyyyyyyyyy 2016-08-26
haha i just made this comment in a thread on /r/gifs:
https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/4zm14u/mirror_mirror_on_the_wall_who_the_hell_is_that/d6x5g9a
4 platinum_peter 2016-08-26
Gaslighting.
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1 Axana 2016-08-26
I experienced my first Mandela Effect in the mid-00s, which was years before the term "Mandela Effect" even existed. I experienced several more between that time period and the summer of 2015 (a period of nearly ten years), which is when I first encountered the term.
Additionally, I've experienced reality glitches, synchronicities, and other strange phenomenon throughout my entire life. And it's for this reason that I don't believe the Mandela Effect is a psy-op. "Psy-op" simply doesn't explain all of the other weird things I've experienced in my life. "Psy-op" doesn't explain why I was experiencing Mandela Effects years before there was even a term for it.
P.S. Might as well plug /r/Retconned and /r/MandelaEffect here for anyone who has further interest in the subject.
2 austincherney 2016-08-26
Please enlighten us then; what specifically are your Mandela Effects?
Why aren't you mentioning specifics?
If one of these things happened to me, I would tell the entire world about it, and make them believe it was happening.
It isn't something I'd keep to myself.
0 Axana 2016-08-26
Because nobody asked for specifics until now. Your original question was "Any thoughts?" not "Can you give specific examples?"
Looking at your comment history, you seem interested in the one regarding Nelson's Mandela death. Well, I can't comment on that one because I remember his death in 2013. The only high-profile death Mandela Effect that I've experienced is Billy Graham's funeral.
Remember the recent deaths of Prince and David Bowie? Well, Billy Graham's death was like that. It was unavoidable--non-stop media tributes, the election candidates weighed in, Bill Clinton attended the funeral, the funeral was on every single TV network, etc. It was impossible to avoid the Billy Graham death coverage, and believe me, I tried at the time because I hated the guy.
There are a lot of people who remember Billy Graham's funeral. I'm not the only one.
1 austincherney 2016-08-26
Do you remember noticing Billy Graham alive and well a short time after you supposedly remember his funeral happening?
Also, what year do you remember Graham dying in? Surely an event on par with Prince and David Bowie would be something one would vividly remember.
2 Axana 2016-08-26
I remember Billy Graham dying in 2000. I genuinely thought he was dead until I read in 2015 that he was still alive. I hadn't heard a peep about him either in the media or in real life in the 15 years that he was supposed to be dead.
And no, I'm not thinking of Ruth Graham's 2007 death. Why the hell would Bill Clinton show up to her funeral as the current President? Why would every single TV network televise her funeral?
I do vividly remember his funeral. And so do many other people right down to details like Bill Clinton showing up to the funeral and it being televised on all of the TV networks. Why do a bunch of internet strangers from across the world have the same exact memory?
0 austincherney 2016-08-26
I'm not sure.
Maybe what you're experiencing is a 21st Century version of "I saw Betty Osbourne with the devil" kind of a phenomenon.
Maybe you're willfully believing that the emperor has clothes so you don't feel left out?
0 Axana 2016-08-26
You asked for a specific example and I provided one (you're welcome, by the way). You're free to interpret it however you please.
Meanwhile, my confidence in my experience is not contingent upon whether you or other internet strangers believe me. Maybe you'll understand one day when something in your life no longer matches the current narrative.
0 austincherney 2016-08-26
Put up, or shut up.
You have yet to prove a god damn thing. All you're doing so far is redundantly mouthing off on a Reddit thread.
2 Axana 2016-08-26
I did "put up". I gave you a detailed example. I linked to multiple reports of people who share the same memory. You are the one who refuses to accept it, and frankly, that's not my problem. I did my part.
I'm sure that you and the multiple month-old accounts posting negative comments in this thread would love for me to "shut up," though. I know that continuing to talk about these experiences makes certain people feel uncomfortable or else they wouldn't put so much effort into attacking anyone who supports the Mandela Effect.
2 Fupalordrising 2016-08-26
Amen brother. Whoever said you were redundantly mouthing off is a troll and is clearly a moron. He sounds like he feels entitled to an explanation from you. Like you came here to convince him or something. I believe you. I had a boss who said the same thing about that guy dying. I also exp these effects. I remember berenstein and 4 people in jfks motorcade and I sure as hell remember them saying "of the world" at the end of "we are the champions" by queen. Its not there anymore. I also remember a book called the hungry hungry caterpillar. Now its the very hungry caterpillar. This is just to name a few but I dont think this can be blamed on "faulty memory" like all these bozos seem to think
1 Axana 2016-08-26
Thank you for the kind response. Sadly, these angry trolls are common in Mandela Effect discussions. A lot of people feel threatened by the idea that reality, or at least your perception of reality, can change in unexpected ways, so they respond with attacks. It's like a bizarre "Flight or Fight" response that I'm not even sure they have conscious control over.
I also remember Berenstein, "Of the world," and The Hungry, Hungry Caterpillar.
If you're interested in friendly discussion about the Mandela Effect, then check out /r/Retconned. /r/MandelaEffect also exists, but has shitty moderators.
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0 austincherney 2016-08-26
In order for these "memories" to be the least bit genuine, you would have to run into people who also remember a much more violent collapse of the apartheid South African regime, a more violent end to the Cold War, and a more turbulent pre-9/11 1990s.
Many of these people would likely be coming from a reality where 9/11 never even happened.
Consider this much as well; why are Mandela and the Reverend Billy Graham the only world figures who these ME people claim to remember dying?
Why aren't there people who remember alternate events that would be equally significant; like the outcome of a presidential election or the breakup of the Soviet bloc?
2 FonzieThePonzi 2016-08-26
How arrogant are you? Look at what you asked.
"Do you remember noticing Billy Graham alive and well a short time after you supposedly remember his funeral happening?"
u/Axana isn't gonna shut up. Neither are any of us. In fact, you're going to have to try a lot harder than that. Your endeavors are futile OP. Surrender all hope.
1 austincherney 2016-08-26
Lol. Ok.
Who are you, the anti-christ?
1 krillwave 2016-08-26
Not true, I don't remember where I was when I heard bowie and prince died.
1 gwsb 2016-08-26
I do, guess we can call it plausible then?
-1 austincherney 2016-08-26
Ruth Graham died in 2007.
Maybe that's what you remember?
0 neurofluxation 2016-08-26
Are you aware that nearly ALL your comments and posts relating to conspiracies, alternate topics and pretty much everything you comment on are borderline "attacking questions" and put downs? Also, the cut of your jib is horrid.
-1 austincherney 2016-08-26
Lol.
You can feel free to criticize my "jib" all you want once you call out all the anti-Semitic sociopaths who comment on these threads.
I think my commentary is quite reasonable in comparison.
1 thrownuptown 2016-08-26
It's disinfo and a product of the deteriorating state of education in America, made even more clear by the people that are posting in this thread defending it.
0 gwsb 2016-08-26
I thought debating emotions was hard enough... now we seemingly need to debate memories? When are we going to get back to conspiracies?
1 Fupalordrising 2016-08-26
Hey flyyyyyyyyy. Yeah that could have worked but dont you think the uproar would have happened in 94 if that were the case? I was actually born in 93 and growing up i always heard people say mirror mirror on the wall. It just doesn't make sense at all. That is not the case.
0 911bodysnatchers322 2016-08-26
Saturn's Capricorn is a goat right?
Wrong.
Its a seagoat, a mergoat, a goatfish now. Gaslighting? Probably. But now the connection to baphomet doesn't make sense since water and fire don't mix. It also tells you who is doing this and why
-2 Putin_loves_cats 2016-08-26
No it's not. Either you are straight up afraid of what it entails and what the Quantum physics world (along with CERN) are doing or your working to push people into not looking into it.... The government allowed 9/11 to happen, how does that make your feels, feel?
0 austincherney 2016-08-26
What does 9/11 have to do with Mandela effect?
I don't doubt that there's more to what happened on September 11th. But what we're talking about is Mandela effect; some of the nuttiest stuff on Reddit.
All of it can be debunked.
-2 Putin_loves_cats 2016-08-26
They don't 1 fuck about you.. That is the point. You mean nothing, nor does your life.
Both are "conspiracy theories" and you are on /r/conspiracy.
Reddit is a fuckin' joke. Where cat pics rule the front page as does SJW social marxism. No wonder. Feel good!!!!
Debunk it then, or shut the fuck up. I'll wait...
0 austincherney 2016-08-26
Anyone who remembered Mandela dying in the 1980s would be living a completely different life today from the rest of society.
The collapse of the apartheid regime in South Africa, for example, would have been much more violent than it was with Mandela's survival.
A more violent South African revolution would have then created numerous butterflies that would make reality in an alternate 2016 completely unrecognizable to the rest of us.
Maybe 9/11 wouldn't have happened?
Maybe the Soviet Union would have survived?
0 Putin_loves_cats 2016-08-26
How so?
Dude, have you even looked into the theory? Methinks you haven't. You should also look into Quantum entanglement. People like you make me laugh. They talk shit about certain things, yet they've never actually look into them, themselves. Only get info from what others tell them. Look into it.. Not snopes, but actually look into it. If you want to post here, you need to do a little more work than what you tell your friends in the local starbucks....lmao.
1 austincherney 2016-08-26
Why not put these theories to the test, and not simply take anonymous Reddit poster's every word for them?
You sound like you don't know history. If you did, then you would realize that such an earth shattering event as Mandela's death in the 1980s would have resulted in a completely different world from the one that we live in today.
2 Putin_loves_cats 2016-08-26
People have, and the consensus is that it was BerenStein bears, not BerenStain bears. It just gets downvoted to hell. Curious..... I speak German, BTW. Stein is different than Stain. Shteen !== Stain. That would be Shtine and Stain doesn't even make sense, in German....
Haahahhaah, try me. I probably know more about actual history than 95% of people here. I speak/read ~6+ languages. I've read texts that some "historians" would cream their pants to get a hold of.
As I said. You don't know shit, and haven't researched shit. Back to the books and drawing board...
0 austincherney 2016-08-26
You must be living in an alternate reality where common sense was never discovered.......
Any of these people who claim that Mandela died in the 1980s would also be claiming that they remember things a lot more wild than that happening in their lifetime!
As I mentioned in another thread; would the Soviet Union still exist to these people?
Did 9/11 happen in their universe? Is Saddam Hussein still in power whenever they follow world news?
Were the Star Wars prequels never made? Was Lord Of The Rings ever turned into a feature length movie trilogy?
The historical butterflies that an early Mandela death would have created would have been way too found for "Mandela Effect" believers to ignore.
5 Putin_loves_cats 2016-08-26
Your comment shows you have never looked into what it is. Look into it. You have many questions, that can be answered if you weren't such a lazy ass.
2 austincherney 2016-08-26
FYI, I've been looking over the thread on and off for the better part of the last week and a half.
There's no denying that there are a lot of weird and unexplainable phenomena happening in the world around us.
I just find it impossible to believe that these people who claim they remember Mandela dying in the 80s also aren't going on to say "..... and then South Africa burned to the ground after news of Mandela's death at Robben Island spread around."
There would be a lot more historical butterflies to account for if they really did come from an alternate timeline from our own.
0 Putin_loves_cats 2016-08-26
How many times do I have to say this: YOU HAVE NOT LOOKED INTO THE DAMN THEORY? It's not about what you are talking about. It's parallel dimensions. It doesn't mean if x didn't happen y would exist. That is not the point. Jesus Christ. At least look into what the fuck you are talking about..... Don't be daft.. You clearly are, for one reason or another....
6 austincherney 2016-08-26
The theory doesn't hold up if the people who claim to remember Mandela dying in the 1980s don't also remember a completely parallel history from the one we remember from the last thirty years.
1 swansong19 2016-08-26
Isn't that kinda the point? If the effect is real then things have changed…there would be no way to "prove" anything. Kinda makes it the perfect psyop…you are, after all, just testing people's memories and we all know how incredibly fallible memories are.
Frankly I would write off the entire theory were it not for the fact that I have a distinct memory of Jaws love interest, Dolly, in Moonraker wearing braces. But again, my memory could be faulty.
0 austincherney 2016-08-26
What does 9/11 have to do with Mandela effect?
I don't doubt that there's more to what happened on September 11th. But what we're talking about is Mandela effect; some of the nuttiest stuff on Reddit.
All of it can be debunked.
1 krillwave 2016-08-26
Not true, I don't remember where I was when I heard bowie and prince died.
2 Axana 2016-08-26
I remember Billy Graham dying in 2000. I genuinely thought he was dead until I read in 2015 that he was still alive. I hadn't heard a peep about him either in the media or in real life in the 15 years that he was supposed to be dead.
And no, I'm not thinking of Ruth Graham's 2007 death. Why the hell would Bill Clinton show up to her funeral as the current President? Why would every single TV network televise her funeral?
I do vividly remember his funeral. And so do many other people right down to details like Bill Clinton showing up to the funeral and it being televised on all of the TV networks. Why do a bunch of internet strangers from across the world have the same exact memory?
3 Axana 2016-08-26
"You're angry that I called you a shill. Therefore, you must be a shill."
That's some sound logic right there.
3 polkadotgirl 2016-08-26
Somebody messaged me and said that I was being called a shill.
So, I was just responding to that.