Connection between Mandela Effect & flu shot?
4 2016-11-28 by itisadilemna
I posed 2 questions in a Mandela Effect related sub. Are you experiencing the Mandela Effect and do you get the flu vaccine?
Of the 28 people who said they are experiencing the Mandela Effect, 27 do not regularly get the flu vaccine. Most hadn't received any vaccines since reaching adulthood.
It could be that the kind of person who would refuse the vaccine is the same kind of person who would trust their own memories in the face of so much contradictory evidence.
Or it could be that vaccinations have something to do with the Mandela Effect. Could what is in the vaccines affect memory? Make people more susceptible to a type of hypnosis? Make people less likely to question authority?
Are you experiencing the Mandela Effect? Do you get adult vaccinations?
Note: The linked post was heavily downvoted, which makes me even more curious. https://m.reddit.com/r/Retconned/comments/5a6yd3/flu_shots/
49 comments
3 FonzieThePonzi 2016-11-28
Have an updoot. I myself haven't gotten vaccinations since I've been an adult and my mom wasn't big on flu shots when I was growing up either. This makes me think it may not be directly related to experiencing ME, but I'm also curious why this would get downvoted on retconned.
1 itisadilemna 2016-11-28
Your not experiencing the ME, right?
2 FonzieThePonzi 2016-11-28
No I do experience ME. I misread the statistic about 27 people NOT getting vaccines and answered accordingly. I feel dumb now after rereading. Face-palm.
2 itisadilemna 2016-11-28
Lol, had me confused too :) I just figured maybe I'd shifted into a reality where you weren't experiencing it anymore. Wasn't going to red pill you again :)
2 FonzieThePonzi 2016-11-28
I give you permission to publicly lop off my head if we ever shift into a reality where I haven't been red pilled yet.
3 allyourmemes 2016-11-28
I experienced the Mandela Effect and do not get flu vaccine.
2 gaums 2016-11-28
Hopefully you don't get downvoted. The ME is still pretty fringe like FE.
3 itisadilemna 2016-11-28
And chemtrails.
3 Zigora 2016-11-28
Chem trails aren't fringe. They have been admitted.
2 itisadilemna 2016-11-28
I agree. But the subject doesn't get much love on this sub. In my experience.
2 Zigora 2016-11-28
People are afraid, even us, of the truth
2 lily_levasseur 2016-11-28
I am experiencing ME And have never had a flu shot.
2 whyd_you_kill_doakes 2016-11-28
Really? I haven't had a flu shot in idk how long, if ever. I find the Mandela effect to be dumb. Actually just talked to my mom about this over Thanksgiving. She remembers it always being Berenstain
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2 whyd_you_kill_doakes 2016-11-28
Hell if I know.
Here's why it's dumb.
Imagine you could go back to the creation of crows and change them from black to white. Would humans today say "Wait, don't you guys remember crows being black?"
No. Since you've affected an event in time, everything that relates to it is changed. We would know crows are white and always have been, black would never cross our mind as a possibility.
Also, going backwards in time is impossible as far as we know, unless someone here is holding out on us on reversing gravity. And has solved the grandfather paradox. And many other things.
The south Park episodes Go! God, Go! exemplify what I'm saying pretty well.
1 itisadilemna 2016-11-28
That's exactly why many people don't think time travel, at least as described by you, is the source of the ME. I'm more inclined to think dimensions or timelines are merging.
2 whyd_you_kill_doakes 2016-11-28
Explain the physics behind that
1 itisadilemna 2016-11-28
Wish I could. But I'm not experiencing this because I am an expert in physics. I don't know why I'm experiencing this but that's definitely not it. I didn't choose this. I have no idea why it's happening. All I know is, it is happening.
2 whyd_you_kill_doakes 2016-11-28
If you can't explain how it happens then why think it happens in the first place?
1 itisadilemna 2016-11-28
There are a lot of things that happen that we can't explain. Experiencing something and knowing the cause of that thing don't go hand in hand.
1 whyd_you_kill_doakes 2016-11-28
But if you can't explain the mechanism that causes it, how do you know you're experiencing it?
How do you know when you have sun burn? Because you, or people before you, understand the human skin and the sun and how they interact. Otherwise, you'd have no idea why your face and shoulders are red and peeling.
You're right that there's nothing wrong with saying "I don't know" but you must either commit to that or not. You cannot say "I don't know but it sounds cool and I can't remember things the way they actually are so I must be right".
1 itisadilemna 2016-11-28
We don't know why some people are autistic, but autism is real. We don't know why the bees are dying, but they are. We don't know how the pyramids were built but they still exist. We don't know who killed JFK but he's still dead.
Having an experience and understanding that experience are separate things.
I know the Mandela Effect is real because there are too many people experiencing too many of the same differences and too much residual evidence of our old memories for it not to be. And, personally, the differences are a kick in the gut.
1 whyd_you_kill_doakes 2016-11-28
Your comparisons aren't applicable
1 itisadilemna 2016-11-28
Why not?
1 whyd_you_kill_doakes 2016-11-28
We know the processes by which all of those things occur. We cannot pinpoint to a specific event or cause.
In your version of the Mandela Effect, you don't know anything about how it would have come to be. Nothing.
1 itisadilemna 2016-11-28
First of all, this just happened. We're trying to figure out the cause but we also have to deal with those who aren't experiencing it and, therefore, can't understand it. Very similar to how our society dealt with post partum depression or PTSD before they were studied and better understood.
Second, we do not know the process of any of the examples I gave. But, really, it's a moot point.
I can show you proof (watch the Secret Service reenactment of the JFK assassination or check out the replica at the museum) of a different reality, I can show you hundreds of reality differences, I can show you thousands of people experiencing it, I can show you physicists talking about the possibility of parallel universes, but none of that is good enough if you aren't experiencing it yourself.
Maybe you should ask why you aren't seeing any of the changes. That sure does seem odd to me.
1 whyd_you_kill_doakes 2016-11-28
If I'm not seeing the changes and you are, and we live in the same universe, I think it's safe to rule out that there's no issue with the universe.
0 itisadilemna 2016-11-28
Or that Draino has always been spelled Drano. And Liquid Plumber has always been Liquid Plumr. And it's always been Mrs. Bragg Vinegar, LA-Z-Boy, Rod Serling, Reba McEntire, 6 people in JFK's limo, the wolf and the lamb, and we have always been on the Orion spur of the galaxy.
2 rideif 2016-11-28
Liquid Plumber... woah.
I actually thought Liquid Plumr was a knock-off brand.
1 itisadilemna 2016-11-28
That one is so weird looking.
2 sundayatnoon 2016-11-28
I regularly get flue shots and haven't experienced the Mandela Effect.
The closest I get is a clear memory of the Branch Davidian massacre happening in 91. I remember asking one of the teachers at the christian private school I was attending "what if he really was Jesus and we just messed up?". By 93 I was in public school, so the memory doesn't work correctly given the historical consensus.
But I didn't start getting flue shots till '01, so probably not relevant.
1 itisadilemna 2016-11-28
I've not heard anyone else mention a discrepancy with the Davidian raid, but what you describe is exactly what it's like. There is such a strong personal memory attached to the event. Then multiply that by 100s of different things. It's a trip.
2 Loose-ends 2016-11-28
I am aware of numerous Mandela effects that directly conflict with what I consider to be reliable memories from very direct experience. Memories of a past that there is apparently no longer any record of, as if they never existed in that way.
In response to your query, no, no flu shots ever, and no vaccinations since public school with no more than a half dozen all together from the time I was born. I actually had chicken pox, measles and mumps, none of which were anything more than briefly uncomfortable with the added bonus of getting to stay home from school for ten days to two weeks with each of them.
I'm now in my late 60's and wouldn't advise anyone, particularly elderly people, to take a flu shot that's laced with aluminum, mercury and formaldehyde, unless they want to join the living dead with Alzheimer's or dementia well ahead of schedule. There are better ways to live and better ways to die as far as I'm concerned.
I can also add that I stopped watching television or going to movies about a decade ago. Initially, I stopped watching as three month experiment after which I discovered I could no longer suspend my sense of disbelief nor bear the artificiality, contrivances, card-board-cut-out characters and stilted dialog that passes for entertainment then or now.
I also found that most of the newscasts struck me in the very same way, artificial and contrived with insufficient facts to justify the way they were being presented. You stay away from it for a reasonable amount of time and when you return it's a deliberate "look-see"and you are suddenly aware of the faulty logic and inconsistencies that most the so-called facts come wrapped in. The more important the stories are and the more they affect and impose on your everyday life the worse those tend to get.
1 itisadilemna 2016-11-28
Thank you for sharing this. I agree with so much of what you've said. Especially about TV. I put mine in the closet almost 6 months ago and can't imagine ever pulling it out again. The real world is so much more interesting. Especially right now.
2 NameNotAvailableHere 2016-11-28
No flu shots, a resounding yes to The Mandela Effect.
Side note I also do not take any type of medications when I am ailing, sore or ill such as cough/cold medicine, aspirin, Advil etc.
1 itisadilemna 2016-11-28
Would you happen to know if you have an rh- blood type?
2 NameNotAvailableHere 2016-11-28
No such luck, O+
1 itisadilemna 2016-11-28
Had to ask :)
1 itisadilemna 2016-11-28
Meant to include this stat but can't update post so...According to the CDC, approximately 46% of Americans get the flu shot.
1 libertyant 2016-11-28
i get flu shots and experience possible ME (mostly geographic things & some branding stuff)
1 DiskoSpider 2016-11-28
I've always thought it was bearenstein bears and I got flu shots
1 ithasanh 2016-11-28
I haven't gotten a flu shot, but I have gotten other vaccinations since becoming an adult. I definitely experience the Mandela effect.
1 Ecator 2016-11-28
Got a flu shot once I think back in the 90's and it was pretty much the only time I ever got the flu thus I never got the flu shot again. I do experience a few of the ME but not all. Plus some that people do say are ME I know for sure they are not.
I am dead set that dolly had braces in the jaws moonraker scene I clearly, distinctly remember seeing it. However I clearly and distinctly remember the line in field of dreams being "If you build it he will come". Which that one is a common ME for folks.
1 itisadilemna 2016-11-28
If you subscribe to the idea that this is multiple realities converging, and I'm guessing you don't, then it would be possible to be from the "berenstein-drano-dilemna" reality. In other words, there are not just two distinct memory groups. In theory.
1 itisadilemna 2016-11-28
There are only 13 comments showing but says there should be 17. Is someone shadow banned?
Edit:
Hmm, nevermind.
n/a kalli889 2016-11-28
Haven't had a flu shot in about 10 years, had a Tdap booster in 2013. I always get super sick and laid out for weeks when I get vaccinated, so no more for me (unless it's tetanus).
n/a hawk4951 2016-11-28
I know this is an old thread, but I wanted to comment as well. I do not get flu shots, and I experience the Mandela Effect. The one that is blowing me away right now, and the reason I am researching this phenomena, is the Sinbad movie Shazaam where he plays a genie that apparently never existed. If I was an artist of any kind, I would draw what his character wore to see if it matched anybody else's memory of the movie.
n/a itisadilemna 2016-11-28
Thanks :)
n/a TRUEghostmobb 2016-11-28
im from the pre mandelic reality i have not been to the doctors in over 8 years no shots of any kind for over 10 years, while i have not boxed up my mind and started assuming my bias jumps to conclusion could even be in the same ballpark of what if anything is really causing what we call the mandela effect. if you ask someone about an alleged mandela effect event if they can actually remember that event taking place in there timeline and reality then its 100% they will remember it whats wrong now. But if they were alive but a baby and not really have a memory of that event happening they will then they wont remember which way it happened, especially compared to the degree that they will be 100% sure they remember pre mandelic events now seeming to be wrong. the power of true statistics shown to people in a way that they can make conclusions and decisions is too big of a thing to ignore when huge numbers of people are all agreeing things are not what they remember. exploring this mandela effect is probably the biggest statistical mystery we have right now either way the rabbit hole leads for real truth its already mind blowing statistically either way
n/a itisadilemna 2016-11-28
It's truly incredible, isn't it? Thanks for commenting.
n/a PrincessIceheart 2016-11-28
I was in the military for 9 years and had nearly every vaccine available regularly, including Smallpox before I went to Iraq and Anthrax annually once I completed the initial 6 vaccines of the series. I definitely experience ME though.