Possible False Flag - Assassination of Russian ambassador. (found something very strange)
67 2016-12-20 by bradfromearth
Ok as a person who carries daily, shoots well and knows what he is doing - I noticed something quite odd in all of this.
First off the shooter is a right handed shooter. But in the photo of his body, riddled with bullets, you can clearly see that he has a double magazine carrier on his right hip.
A Right handed shooter will keep their spare magazines on the opposite side of their shooting hand because when reloading you use your 'weak' hand or non dominant hand. Your 'strong' hand/ Shooting hand stays on the weapon in the same place it was put from the draw. The weak hand, when it can be should be supporting the strong hand, as you see him do when he raises the weapon again after the shots are fired. It does look like he was using a shoulder holster (left side of coat flips up for a second)
Also lets not forget how World War One got started.
A major military incident with Russia could keep Trump from taking office, which is an overwhelming desire of the establishment right now. Now, this does come off as directly related to Russian military action in Syria but I cannot express to a person unfamiliar with Guns and carrying of pistols how very odd this looks. It looks like a "hollywood oversight" (which happens often in movies where there is a gun being used by people who are supposed to be trained.)
Anyway, I hope nothing comes of this but I thought I would put it out there and see if anybody has some good thoughts.
UPDATE:
I posed the question over at /r/guns as I am not a Leo of any kind. Their thoughts so far seem to be "not that big of a deal" . While not common it is not unheard of and could be referred to as cross draw. Where you draw gun/mags with you non shooting hand by reaching across the body to where the item is positioned. You need to be real thin to get to where he has those mags but he is thin.
So I still see this as weird and counter intuitive but everybody has their preferences and training and "normal" can vary from the US normal.
It is still odd to me but I going to have to re look at this one. That said there are some other odd things that you guys have pointed out.
50 comments
19 ouroboric 2016-12-20
I think it is fascinating this guy's face is plastered everywhere. Isn't the normal move with terrorist acts to not glorify them with publicity exposure?
12 ouroboric 2016-12-20
and why isn't the face of the dead envoy there instead? it just seems weird and fabricated.
7 -dont-panic 2016-12-20
Money is generally the simplest answer. There was a well-known photographer at the event so either this is a good publicity opportunity for him/her and their employer, or you could infer that it's convenient for a professional photographer to have been present. It's not much to go on though. A lot of media outlets use AP articles and accompanying photos and I think I remember that it was an AP photographer, but don't quote me on it.
7 libertyant 2016-12-20
it was either:
1) a false flag to get Russia into war with Turkey & NATO.
If so then Putin is smart enough to see this and not rise to it. Nothing happened when Turkey shot down a Russian jet.
2) its a false flag masterminded by Russia & Turkey to give them an excuse to work closer together, get out of NATOs wing and find a resolution together on Syria (along with Iran - meeting was supposed to take place today).
Either way, doubt a war will happen as a result of this.
7 Mouth2005 2016-12-20
I mean the Colorado shooter face with that crazy orange hair was plastered everywhere,
Boston bombers faces were everywhere,
the San Bernardino couple had their images blasted everywhere,
Plenty of images of the pulse shooter out there
Bin laden became an extremely familiar face after 9/11
Dylan roof has his face everywhere
The post suicide shots of columbine are pretty popular also
The only big difference here is that this guy killed an ambassador in front of press conference, but blasting a suspects image around the world is literally what happens every time something like this happens
1 [deleted] 2016-12-20
It occurred live and romanticizing these types of killers (a calm, collected and utterly focused insider who seconds before showed no sign of his coming act) is good for attention/money.
1 kefefs 2016-12-20
Since when? Be it terrorists or just psychopathic mass murderers, the media loves showing their face, saying their name, and speculating on their motives and personal life for weeks until the ratings dry up.
12 ArchonFall4All 2016-12-20
Damn, that's attention to detail right there. I'm just having a hard time figuring out what answers we could get from this information. Also, maybe it's possible that he had clips on both sides of his body because we can't see his left side in the picture
2 bradfromearth 2016-12-20
It is possible but it would be really strange. Especially for a professional with training.
Although....they could just be fucking idiots over there and not know what they're doing with their standards and training.
I recall a picture of an incident in some country and an officer was holding two pistols, one in each hand, while in a crouched position. It was so silly it became a meme.
1 MootLogic 2016-12-20
I doubt anyone with any modern pistol training would carry clips on either side of their belts for reloading. It would seem most logical to carry magazines.
11 nikhilbhavsar 2016-12-20
Here's why I think it's a false flag:
Ambassador gets shot 9/10 times, no blood.
Assassin gets shot, blood everywhere? Also, I cannot find any other photos/video of assassin getting shot. Why not? The cameras were already there and in place.
there has to be some blood in the front of his shirt, because of the exit wound. If the shirt wasn't blown open/puffed up because of the bullet, what caused it?
The expressions on their faces reminds me of other false flags. Some are not even looking at the gunman, and some look bored.
But what do I know, I'm just an asshole on the internet.
5 [deleted] 2016-12-20
Since when did "false flag" = "pretend to kill but never dare to"?
ELI5 me on this, but why has the narrative that involved conspirators wouldn't just actually and truly kill people become so popular?
5 nikhilbhavsar 2016-12-20
This is my theory:
The purpose of a false flag is to either distract/cover up/instigate some other event (which is often hidden from the general public). If the end result can be achieved without killing, that is the first choice.
Paying someone off and giving them a new identity in a small town is a better alternative to killing them (that way the person behind the conspiracy doesn't have to actually get their hands dirty).
Lastly, all conspiracy theories are exactly that, theories. Nothing is/can be proven (by the general public), so the best we can do is speculate as to what is the truth in this situation.
2 [deleted] 2016-12-20
There are actions orders of magnitudes easier and less likely to create blowback as others, as well as conspiracies with more evidence and likelihood in their favor. I'm not convinced why anyone would be bothered, especially in cases with easily expendable people (civilians, low-level government workers, and - honestly - an ambassador)...
We've an entire world of politically ordered assassinations and the conspiracies behind them being revealed (whether the conspirators want it or not), but for some inexplicable reason all the scenarios with surviving payed-off fakers have them disappearing with far less traces?
Reasonably, shouldn't the (relative) difficulty hiding actually murdered and dead people tell you something about the likelihood of keeping living (and extremely public) fakers under wraps...
EDIT: When I say "revealed", I mean to the extent that even the general public is aware of the conspiracy. Utterly laid bare without any hope of discussion. EDIT: Thanks for the genuine answer.
1 nikhilbhavsar 2016-12-20
Because then it wouldn't be a conspiracy theory :)
1 RandallWho 2016-12-20
yeah but there is just way to much evidence for this to not be a theroy
0 pepe_silvia67 2016-12-20
"Lastly, all conspiracy theories are exactly that, theories. Nothing is/can be proven (by the general public), so the best we can do is speculate as to what is the truth in this situation. "
Well said.
1 showmeurboobsplznthx 2016-12-20
They look like they thought it was part of the art show and weren't pleased
1 RandallWho 2016-12-20
Crisis actors hired by the CIA of course they are going to luck bored.
They are used to this shit
1 parasemic 2016-12-20
A) Clothing layers affect significantly to the amount of visible blood. Full black suit is entirely different from thin white shirt.
B) The video is from live tv which was shut down before the "assassin" was killed.
C) A single witness is simply not worth creating a narrative over since human beings have very inaccurate memory of situations when under extreme stress.
9 kraftwerkd 2016-12-20
The part that seems fishy to me is the camera work. He seems to jump from poses three or four different times for the cameras. After the ambassador goes down, you see him do a one-two of being in pose, dropping the gun, pointing it back up, dropping it down again, and pointing again before making his speech.
That seems very strange, but then again I don't shoot people for a living so what do I know.
1 TeslaTimeMachine 2016-12-20
So many angles too.
4 Fuckyousantorum 2016-12-20
Not every event is a false flag
8 NaughtyHealer 2016-12-20
No shit but the ambassador was shot at 8-9 times at point blank range within the span of 3 seconds and then fell a couple feet to the side being shot at his whole way down, free falling and his body and head hit the floor, and there is not one single drop of blood on that floor from that, just a tidy little pool of blood that appears under his head after he has fallen to the ground.
4 tito333 2016-12-20
And it looks like the recording was planned. There's just too much coincidence.
3 shadyperson 2016-12-20
This isn't a Quentin Tarantino movie, you guys don't know shit
2 NonprofitDrugcartell 2016-12-20
When you measure the time you can see he is actually falling faster than free fall speed. Coincidence? I think not.
1 RandallWho 2016-12-20
yeah but there is to much wrong with this whole story for it to be coincidence...
there are more plot holes the Sandy Hook.
Hell i bet we find some Turkish crisis actors were involved
4 bradfromearth 2016-12-20
RUSSIA BLAMES WEST Key ally of Vladimir Putin claims shadowy Nato forces masterminded the assassination of Russian ambassador Andrey Karlov
4 farooq7 2016-12-20
Anyone seen the Dark Knight? He looks exactly like the schizophrenic shooter.
3 elnegroik 2016-12-20
"His names Schiff. Thomas. Paranoid schizophrenic at Arkham Asylum. Kinda mind the Joker attracts ..
3 farooq7 2016-12-20
He looks like him right?
2 elnegroik 2016-12-20
Yeah - good call. It's the intensity on both their faces I think - except ones just killed the Russian ambassador, whilst the others being grilled by (angry) Harvey Dent
3 farooq7 2016-12-20
But why was he being grilled? Because he tried to assassinate Gordan. He also had a police uniform on in the film to blend in.
2 elnegroik 2016-12-20
Didn't connect that ... truth is stranger than fiction they say
3 CactusBrad 2016-12-20
Not saying I think this is legit or false flag... just an observation.
IF the shooter had concealed clips on both hips, then waited to pull a clip just before shooting, he would have pulled left clip, leaving unused clip still on right hip.
4 Trainmasta 2016-12-20
Magazine*
Pistols don't use "clips"
2 Dfensog 2016-12-20
In light of Obama's statement last week I wouldn't doubt that he instigated this assassination of the Russian ambassador to Turkey.
Hell, it wouldn't surprise me if Obama belonged to the Gulen cult.
Edit: removed an unintended word.
1 prettytrump 2016-12-20
few days ago someone predicted false flag is going to happen...
24 EpicKnowledge 2016-12-20
People are always claiming imminent false flags around here
0 BenGetsHigh 2016-12-20
If you constantly you claim false flag eventually something will happen. Doesn't necessarily make that event a glass flag. But this very well could be considering the potential weight behind this assassination.
1 Nomaam8 2016-12-20
Well, history does repeat itself
1 yaosio 2016-12-20
The ambassador isn't even dead because he never existed. My sources are telling me Russia had no idea the "ambassador" even existed until he was killed. They are scrambling to find out who died and how the credentials were forged.
4 Touchmethere9 2016-12-20
My sources are telling me that the Russian ambassador was actually an alien who arrived on Earth 15 years ago and has been working with the US government to rebuild his ship to return home. Sad he was murdered in cold blood today.
1 RandallWho 2016-12-20
oh shit. this just got YUGE
1 NoelTrotsky 2016-12-20
I appreciate your insight into this event and the odd location of his spare magazines. I'd suggest he's an amateur with just enough shooting training to hit a target 10 feet away. He's a throwaway Zealot who probably never even picked up a gun until a month before this shooting.
Good catch thou...there might be something odd going on.
2 bradfromearth 2016-12-20
I would think that too if not for the details. He was showing what is called 'trigger dicipline' untrained or poorly trained tend to keep their finger on the trigger after shooting. It's very dangerous in a high adrenalin situation because you lose fine motor skills and your perceptions are altered. Notice the weapon is down at his side with his trigger finger along the slide and not in the trigger well. He keeps the weapon down until he feels the need to point at a threat (threat to him that is) then with armed fully extended with both hands on the weapon he points it. The curious onlooker surely left and the weapon comes back down to the side. I have not checked but I assume he did not even move his finger to the trigger during those moves. So I see training there but still the mag carrier is so incredibly out of place. It is all just strange.
2 NoelTrotsky 2016-12-20
Turkey saying the shooter was a former police officer.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-19/russian-ambassador-turkey-has-been-shot-condition-unknown-cnn
That would explain the training but not the positioning of the extra mags.
1 pepe_silvia67 2016-12-20
Shooting a moving/falling target at 10-15 feet away, rapid fire, with 9/10 accuracy takes training. Especially with the adrenaline factor.
Mainly the rapid fire accuracy is what stands out, if indeed this was a real shooting. (Im still investigating)
1 Fredo_Baggins 2016-12-20
Some people are just nuts too.