Does anyone else here notice how The_Donald went from ''America First'' to being extremely supportive of all things Israeli?

You see people at the bottom of the posts asking how Israel factors into America first. They are getting doe voted to hell.

...I'll speak? I guess. Israel seems like a good option as an ally because it gives a land to a large religious group of the world to be represented by. This works against the Global Islamic takeover agenda because the Jews are steadfast in their religion and won't be pushed over by a jihad. It's obviously more complicated than that but the main threat facing the world is the Salafi of Islam (at least if you're a westerner imo). Anyone who is working against the threat of religious dogma is an ally in the eyes of T_D.

Yet everyone loves to ignore the fact that Israel is stealing land and demolishing homes of Palestinians. Then in the same breath they will cry and bemoan all the attacks against them.

I mean if raiders come to raid you shouldnt just sit there and take it. Israel as ancient history that is ingrained in their culture. For the sake of human peace the majority of jews should get a homeland vs. palestinians which are currently assisting in the Jihad against the west. We are coming upon a WW3 like moment between Christianity vs. the extremist of Islams. How bad it gets depends on our alliances moving into the future.

I understand that. But if you don't like people attacking you, do you think it is a good idea to take their lands? I mean, it isn't as if they are going to be appreciative. I think for either side to heal, Israel needs to give back all the land they've taken and go back to pre 1967 borders.

Events in question

Oh and guess what. This also happend to be the time Israel attacked an ally, killing 34 Americans: The USS Liberty.

Israel isn't the ally you think they are.

It's just an A or B situation. Either we give the jews land or we don't. There has to be an answer and the sides have developed as they are. Either we side with Israel, Russia (and probably other western nations will fall behind us) or we side with the muslims. I may not know the jewish people aren't looking to stab us in the back. but I know the jihad against the west is real.

In my opinion you don't have the best knowledge of this situation. But like I said that is just my opinion and I respect yours.

Russia is not with Israel. Also, You also were not aware of the fact that the reason we ever started getting hit with terrorists attacks was because of our involvement with Israel. Osama Bin Laden said it himself in 1990's. I'm not a fan of Islam and I know there would certainly be extremists killing innocent people around the world but not even close to the amount we have now.

Here is an analogy for how Israel has caused us problems.

If everyday I hand you a rock and you throw that rock at John's head..John isn't going to like me after a few weeks of him watching me hand you a rock to throw at his fucking head. I'm the US. You are Israel. John is Palesine and the rest of the Middle East.

Osama used an extremely similar analogy in an interview way before September 11th.

Ah, so you see it as a "you're either with us, or you're with the terrorists" type situation. Enough said.

everybody has ancient history ingrained in their culture. it isnt useful to pursue grievances from thousands of years ago. im an irish american and i personally couldnt give less of a shit about how the irish were royally screwed by the brits. its awful that it happened, but if i were to try to right those wrongs i would do nothing more than perpetuate violence and war. its much more useful to me to just get over it since it really has no impact on my current life.

According to Zionist logic we should all get slaughtered by the native Americans in our sleep tonight. I'm not saying Native Americans want to actually do that I'm just making a point.

Scalping sounds unpleasant.

Look at a map. there are jewish settlements all over territory that is suppose to belong to the palestinians. If only Israeli settlers learned from US history and exterminated most of the natives and then put the remaining in ghettos and on lots of government subsidies then they wouldn't have the problem that they are having right now.

There's people getting bombarded and murdered all around the world(you didn't know Israel was dropping bombs on Syria?) because of a Zionist agenda and there are people BITCHING because Israel can't build fucking condos. I saw someone saying Israel was "under attack" today. It's ludicrous.

At the heart of the Jewish faith is the idea that Jews are the chosen people. That is religious dogma. Also Israel is a Jewish state, meaning is is a state defined around a religion. How is supporting Israel a way to fight against religious dogma?

Can you please do your homework on Zionism and Wahhabism. Thanks.

I notice it too, and I spend a lot of time on The_Donald. Also the Conservative subreddit has been overrun by liberals, and the Politics one is an obvious mess. Anything political on reddit gets overrun (whether naturally or by CTR-type organizations) eventually.

I haven't posted in the sub because recently because I'd like to be able to still have an eye in without poking into another account. Given this, there are many comments that are asking the same questions as here. It seems that one mod in particular is issuing these bans, and they are clearly a JIDF member. The sub itself seems to have been brigaded to reflect their platform under the guise of Trump support. This sub is also showing small symptoms.

I'm glad someone else has noticed that the conservative subreddit is completely overrun. I was starting to feel like maybe I'd become too conservative haha.

Is anyone else starting to wonder whether Trump may be Tel Aviv's version of a Trojan Horse?

Trump has been extremely pro-israel from the start. Stupid Trump fanatics looked at him and only saw what the memes told them to.

Trump has been extremely pro-israel from the start.

Yes, he has, but it was more than a bit difficult to read, because the "love affair" always seemed one sided. Early in the Republican race, (August, 2015) FORWARD magazine announced:

Trump Has Strongest Jewish Ties of all GOP Candidates

So we knew that he was "kosher certified"... HOWEVER, aside from extreme right-wing (Ultra Orthodox, etc) he failed to garner much support from Jews, whether in Israel or in the US.

And of course he kowtowed to Zionist Jews at the AIPAC Ass-Kissing-Contest - but that has become an obligatory "rite of passage" that ALL prominent US politicians must endure.

Still, Jews showed very little support for Trump, donating almost ZERO money (until Uncle Sheldon stepped up at the last minute), all while berating and defaming him in the press, accusing him of being racist, anti-Semitic... you name it. Meanwhile, Jewish Mega-Donors SHOWERED Hillary with Ca$h - over $100 Million (~10% of her total war chest), and the boy's writing those BIG checks could hardly be called "anti-Israel", could they?

Now, given the constant stream of ATTACKS and total lack of support, one might wonder whether kissing Zionist Ass had left him with a bit of a funky taste in his mouth - especially AFTER the election, when Jewish authors and publications went utterly APE SHIT - all but calling him "Hitler" and predicting another Holocaust.

The FORWARD went so far as to ask:

Did Jewish Media Screw Up by Focusing on Donald Trump?

Archived here: https://archive.is/WPdpw

But in spite of all this, Trump didn't bat an eye - hell, he didn't stop kissing Bibi's ass long enough to come up for air! And his OUTRAGE last week when Obama failed to VETO the UNSC resolution (rightfully) censuring Israel for its atrocious, inhumane and ILLEGAL settlement policies??? [hint: There's a reason that the Zionist State is increasingly being seen as a PARIAH by the world at large - and it has NOTHING to do with "anti-Semitism"]

So, how can we possibly reconcile the unseemly behavior of Trump - a world-class EGOMANIAC who reacts to the slightest criticism by losing his shit on fucking TWITTER???

Well, there are a few possibilities:

One: Trump is a CHUMP - a SUCKER who is too ST00PID to know that he is being played like a fiddle by Jews who schmooze him to his face while stabbing him in the back

Second, that Jews are a MUCH more politically diverse group than many would imagine - and while this IS true - at least to some extent - the overwhelming majority of Jews tend to bind together like a fasci - strongly united when it comes to the support and defense of Israel

A third and rather bizarre possibility (remember, this IS /r/conspiracy!) is that it is not Trump that was played as a "SUCKER", but the American People - who were intentionally led to BELIEVE that "The Donald", as an America-Firster, was at last a hope for "salvation" - a man who would look after THEIR interests - when in fact he was just another pawn of the Big Zionist Machine that has been playing Uncle Sugardaddy as a schmuck and a SUCKER for decades. But this would require a Zionist Conspiracy on a scale not seen since the rise of Hitler - so while possible, it would seem rather unlikely...

Or would it?

Trump has been ACCUSED of playing footsie with Russia - but in action, he has been tongue-kissing Zionist Ass (at least so far) - and given Russia's support of Assad, it would seem that supporting BOTH Russia AND Israel would be incompatible... or maybe not?

Time will tell, but at this moment, it is sure starting to look like Trump is a Zionist tool - and if that be the case, we can expect the US to be going balls deep - fighting Syria, Iran, and likely Russia.

So, what's YOUR take on all of this, /u/DrDougExeter?

Trump has been ACCUSED of playing footsie with Russia - but in action, he has been tongue-kissing Zionist Ass (at least so far) - and given Russia's support of Assad, it would seem that supporting BOTH Russia AND Israel would be incompatible... or maybe not?

Russia and Israel enjoy a very close, friendly relationship. Jews love Trump, so the ones that call him names are pretending to hate him to fool the Gentiles. Under Trump's presidency, "the hammer is coming down!!!"

Russia and Israel enjoy a very close, friendly relationship.

Yeah, I've been seeing some dialogue - but I had attributed it to respect and courtesy as a matter of practical necessity, rather than "friendship".

Looking to Syria, for example, from what I can see, Putin really shit all over Israel's plan, which (I think) was to remove Saddam (done!) and then Assad (tried!), then to set the Jihadists against one another until they fought themselves into exhaustion. The nation states of Iraq and Syria (and possibly Lebanon) would then be DISSOLVED, with borders being redrawn along ethnic/religious lines (Sunni, Shiite, Kurd, Druze, etc) making sure that each group was powerless to wage meaningful attacks against their overlords.

AS A BONUS, I am convinced that Israel had planned to have a "homeland" set aside for all Palestinians - likely somewhere FAR AWAY (like Iraq). It would then be proposed that all Palestinians living in the West Bank, Gaza, and Israel proper be "resettled" to the new "homeland" (with OTHER people's money, of course) so that "peace" could be achieved at last.

THAT, I believe, WAS the plan - at least until Putin came along and fucked things up by meddling in Syria - preventing Obama from putting US boots on the ground, etc.

TLDR: Putin's meddling has totally trashed Israel's plans, so, please explain to me how - given their divergent interests in the immediate vicinity, Israel and Russia can be on "friendly" terms?

Jews love Trump, so the ones that call him names are pretending to hate him to fool the Gentiles.

So, option #3 in my earlier post, then?

Under Trump's presidency, "the hammer is coming down!!!"

On who?

Interfax19:21..."Putin sends New Year's greetings to Netanyahu, says he is confident of even stronger Russian-Israeli relations, interaction on world arena"

http://www.interfax.com/news.asp

See more here - Arutz Sheva:

Putin sends New Year's greetings to Netanyahu

Quote:

In his message to Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, Putin noted with satisfaction that Russian-Israeli relations have "retained their positive dynamics," even improving in the last year.

Putin added that these positive dynamics are an expression of "his resolve to make every effort in the coming year to enhance the entire range of bilateral ties for the benefit of the people of Russia and Israel and in the interests of ensuring stability and security in the Middle East."

Israel and Russia have seen an increase in cooperation over the last year, most notably with the establishment of a hotline to coordinate each country's respective activities in Syria.

To his credit, Putin tends to be very polite and diplomatic in his communications - something that Obama, Netanyahu and Trump could learn from.

I could be wrong, but I see these "positive dynamics" as a necessarily courteous version of a Mexican Satndoff. It's not that they are necessarily "friendly", rather, it's that both realize that being "unfriendly" could have VERY serious consequences.

As I explained above, Israel does NOT like what Russia is doing in Syria (they fucking HATE it), but Putin is no Saddam or Assad. The S 300 /S 400 anti-aircraft systems that Russia has installed in Syria could turn Israel and the entire region into a "no fly zone" in a heartbeat - and Israel knows it well.

Israel asks Russia to update security coordination after S-300

That's what the "hotline" mentioned above was all about - being in very close contact to avoid "accidents" that could spin into disaster in a matter of seconds, and neither side wants that.

I don't think that Putin has aggressive intent toward Israel - and I don't think Israel thinks they do either, but Putin has made it clear that Russia does intend to protect its interests in the region - and those interests are NOT necessarily aligned with those of Israel.

In the past, Israel has been "smart": They don't like fighting their own wars, and they have been very successful in using the political and financial muscle of Zionists to con the US and other Western nations into doing their dirty work for them, as in Iraq and Libya. They almost succeeded in getting the US to go balls-deep into Syria, but following the botched Sarin gas false flag in Ghouta, they had to back down - and that opened the door for Putin to intervene - and he did, though the action was delayed by the Western inspired coup in Ukraine.

After the failed "Red Line" threats, Obama got cold feet. With Trump coming into office, it's going to be a wild card. I think Israel will do all they can to con him into barging head-long into Syria (and Iran), even if it means that doing so would put the US head-to-head with Russia.

Why should Israel care if Russia and the US lock horns? As long as they are not directly involved, and can maintain "plausible deniability", it would all be "good" for the Jewish State... unless it went nuclear - but that's another matter.

I'm pretty skeptical. Trump is definitely being a lick-bag for Israel. This isn't a good sign.

Wait a second! I thought Trump was supposed to be Russia's Trojan horse! /s

False Flag behind curtain number one..

False flags are so last year. Weather warfare is gonna be hot in 2017. Praise be to HAARP, CERN, etc...

Hi. It is quite obvious they are now using HAARP to raise winter temperatures to create the global warming illusion.

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how the fuck are the mods all like this? shits crazy.

I knew the US government was riddled with Zionist scum but the mods of The Donald?! How high up does this thing go??

No but seriously I agree with you. You need to use throwaway accounts if you're going to say anything negative about Israel.

I'm think it's more likely the mods of The Donald will agree, defend, and support anything Trump says than they actually being Zionists. If Trump decided he didn't like Israel next week so would they.

Because around there, truth doesn't matter. Whatever trump says is true. Trump supports Israel, they support Israel.

JIDF shills

muh /pol/

That doesn't make what I said less true. The JIDF is a real group and they really do shill across multiple websites. This is /r/conspiracy for fuck's sake. The JIDF is the LEAST outlandish thing on this website.

Hasbara

Wait you're serious? JIDF is a meme, kid. I thought everyone knew this.

Are you high? Try googling JIDF.

I think it's getting brigaded by the Jewish CTR. Sad times. I know many of them realize this, but it hasn't hit the critical point yet. At some point they'll be beaten just like CTR I hope.

That is not the regular users. This shit is totally artificial.

As a pretty regular browser of T_D since the beginning, I can see the logic for standing with Israel. Islam, especially radicalized Islam is a cult, and Israel is the only country we currently have in the area that is not subjugated under its oppressive rule.

I personally enjoyed how Trump was accused of picking "radical anti-zionist" choices like Bannon yet now he's seen as a coddler of Israel. Odd how the narrative can absolutely flip 100% if it's not selling.

Israel pushed out millions of christian Palestinians who moved to other countries as refugees and are still trying to tear down the last remnants of Christianity in Palestine. They are your worst enemy. You think they like you?

That sounds great and all, but I kinda hold Israel as responsible as Hamas for the state of Israel and related issues around the middle east. We don't need allies like that. And we don't need to be in the middle east. That is an illusion.

So ya, no. America First.

You make a great point. He's been a Nazi and now he might as well be a Jew. Which is it?

Actually all of the top comments are questioning Israel. You may want to read them.

Just visited, which makes me think the sub has been infiltrated by upvote bots.

Not everything is decided by shills and bots, there are plenty of people who use this website.

What

Majority of those commenting are questioning why an Israeli flag is being pushed to the top and why there's suddenly so much support for Israel. It's easy to create accounts that upvote a post, but a lot more difficult to post and upvote comments.

Whatever it takes for you to sleep at night.

Here's a hint: it's related to the constant mod changes.

The sub is known for being taken over by Israeli agents.

The US Congress is a ship of fools.

Actually they're more like the crew of a ship of fools, with the President as the Captain.

We, the People are the real fools - because we keep paying, empowering and trusting them as they run us onto the reef of ruin.

Collectively as a whole we are giant fucking fools. I'd like to think a lot of us understand what's going on individually with bullshit like this but we don't know wtf to do.

We go on Reddit and pretty much try to red pill people or we change small things in our everyday lives to try to fight back.

We're basically trapped. You can never have honest politicians so things won't be likely to change. For example something like zionism, Congress will continue to support it because they are either being paid to or because they are afraid.

I'm all for hearing ideas though.

EVERYBODY stop paying taxes!! xD

I'd love it except that's kind of hard. Most people get a check from their company and the taxes have already been taken out. I can't go to HR and say I'd like to overthrow my elite new world order government can you please not deduct my income taxes lol.

I do like the thinking. I'd love to stop paying taxes as they are unconstitutional.

If You submit a new withholding statement to your employer with 7 exemptions. Your employer must follow it.

Appears as though we'll just need some massively widespread civil disobedience :)

This is the year to make it happen.

No kidding, I'd say we're a decade or two overdue...

The day "they" stopped working for "us" is the day the American people let their freedoms and rights die.

They never worked for us, we've had oligarchy since before the "revolution".

Nobody really trusts them and they are self empowering through their own networking and wealth. It's more like the Who said, "we're the slaves of the phony leaders". The whole song is damn good!

The punk and the Godfather https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7FrIt352VE

Some of this money goes to AIPAC, which bribes our politicians and influences our elections far more than any other country

What in hell do the Israelis have on the U.S. government that we keep handing over the money?

A list from 2014 of politicians with US / Israeli dual citizenship:

Past and Present:

1. Attorney General – Michael Mukasey
2. Head of Homeland Security – Michael Chertoff
3. Chairman Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Richard Perle
4. Deputy Defense Secretary (Former) – Paul Wolfowitz
5. Under Secretary of Defense – Douglas Feith
6. National Security Council Advisor – Elliott Abrams
7. Vice President Dick Cheney’s Chief of Staff (Former) – “Scooter” Libby
8. White House Deputy Chief of Staff – Joshua Bolten
9. Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs – Marc Grossman
10. Director of Policy Planning at the State Department – Richard Haass
11. U.S. Trade Representative (Cabinet-level Position) – Robert Zoellick
12. Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – James Schlesinger
13. UN Representative (Former) – John Bolton
14. Under Secretary for Arms Control – David Wurmser
15. Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Eliot Cohen
16. Senior Advisor to the President – Steve Goldsmith
17. Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary – Christopher Gersten
18. Assistant Secretary of State – Lincoln Bloomfield
19. Deputy Assistant to the President – Jay Lefkowitz
20. White House Political Director – Ken Melman
21. National Security Study Group – Edward Luttwak
22. Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Kenneth Adelman
23. Defense Intelligence Agency Analyst (Former) – Lawrence (Larry) Franklin
24. National Security Council Advisor – Robert Satloff
25. President Export-Import Bank U.S. – Mel Sembler
26. Deputy Assistant Secretary, Administration for Children and Families – Christopher Gersten
27. Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for Public Affairs – Mark Weinberger
28. White House Speechwriter – David Frum
29. White House Spokesman (Former) – Ari Fleischer
30. Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Henry Kissinger
31. Deputy Secretary of Commerce – Samuel Bodman
32. Under Secretary of State for Management – Bonnie Cohen
33. Director of Foreign Service Institute – Ruth Davis
34. Federal Reserve Chair – Janet Yellen
35. Federal Reserve Vice-Chair – Stanley Fischer

Current (and past) Members of Senate:

• Representative Gary Ackerman (New York)
• Representative John H. Adler (New Jersey)
• Representative Shelley Berkley (Nevada)
• Representative Howard Berman (California)
• Representative Steve Cohen (Tennessee)
• Representative Susan Davis (California)
• Representative Eliot Engel (New York)
• Representative Bob Filner (California)
• Representative Barney Frank (Former) (Massachusetts)
• Representative Gabrielle Giffords (Arizona)
• Representative Jane Harman (California)
• Representative Paul Hodes (New Hampshire)
• Representative Steve Israel (New York)
• Representative Steve Kagen (Wisconsin)
• Representative Ronald Klein (Florida)
• Representative Sander Levin (Michigan)
• Representative Nita Lowey (New York)
• Representative Jerry Nadler (New York)
• Representative Jared Polis (Colorado)
• Representative Steve Rothman (New Jersey)
• Representative Jan Schakowsky (Illinois)
• Representative Adam Schiff (California)
• Representative Arlen Specter (Pennsylvania)
• Representative Allyson Schwartz (Pennsylvania)
• Representative Brad Sherman (California)
• Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz (Florida)
• Representative Henry Waxman (California)
• Representative Anthony Weiner (New York)
• Representative John Yarmuth (Kentucky)
• House of Representatives:
• Representative Gary Ackerman (New York)
• Representative John H. Adler (New Jersey)
• Representative Shelley Berkley (Nevada)
• Representative Howard Berman (California)
• Representative Steve Cohen (Tennessee)
• Representative Susan Davis (California)
• Representative Eliot Engel (New York)
• Representative Bob Filner (California)
• Representative Barney Frank (Massachusetts)
• Representative Gabrielle Giffords (Arizona)
• Representative Alan Grayson (Florida)
• Representative Jane Harman (California)
• Representative Paul Hodes (New Hampshire)
• Representative Steve Israel (New York)
• Representative Steve Kagen (Wisconsin)
• Representative Ronald Klein (Florida)
• Representative Sander Levin (Michigan)
• Representative Nita Lowey (New York)
• Representative Jerry Nadler (New York)
• Representative Jared Polis (Colorado)
• Representative Steve Rothman (New Jersey)
• Representative Jan Schakowsky (Illinois)
• Representative Adam Schiff (California)
• Representative Allyson Schwartz (Pennsylvania)
• Representative Brad Sherman (California)
• Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz (Florida)
• Representative Henry Waxman (California)
• Representative Anthony Weiner (New York)
• Representative John Yarmuth (Kentucky)

That...is a lot of split allegiance in our fucking government.

I think the word you're looking for is "treason". They're using their position in government to benefit a foreign nation.

I laughed at "split."

Thank you! Please find a way to post this in as many places as possible. I am copying it and intending to do the same.

You do realize they pulled this list off an unsourced site, right?

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/dualcitizensobamaadmin23aug12.shtml

Perhaps the best kind in these days of "fake news" from the likes of the NYT, Post, CNN and MSNBC.

I'm just saying this list isn't anywhere near reliable. There's literally no proof to any of it. For all we know it's 100% made up, and more than likely is.

Oh, you mean it came from the mainstream media? Clearly they no longer feel the need to provide proof. Look at the election hacking which has Obama rousting Russian diplomats on what amounts to nil proof. You mean, like that?

Wtf are you even going on about?

This list of Congress members who hold dual citizenship with US and Israel has absolutely nothing to back it up. I'm all for skepticism, but when you blindly believe everything spewed on the Internet it doesn't really help you.

I already gave you the site that list originates from. If you wish to believe it then go right ahead.

So due to this surge of anti-"fake news" we should completely trust made up shit so long as it doesn't come from MSM?

Cuz that guy is wrong, all Congress/cabinet/military members in the US have US/Israeli dual citizenship. Don't believe me? Hmm, wonder why?

Post it on the donald

Well that certainly is eye opening. It would be interesting to see what or how many bills and measures that strictly benefit Isreal those reps with dual citizenship have voted for. It just blows my mind that we signed a 10 year deal to give them 40 billion in 'military' aid while we've got issues with health insurance, college debt, homelessness and so on.

To be fair, evangelical christian voters tend to want the same.

Do you have a source other than educate-yourself.org on any of this?

I've been very curious about the US/Israel dual citizenship in Congress members, but it all points back to this page (of which there are no references):

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/dualcitizensobamaadmin23aug12.shtml

Truly eye opening.

It isn't easy to find this information. I once had to spend most of an evening figuring this out. Spread this list everywhere.

What. The. Fuck.

They infiltrated the US so they call the shots. They took positions of power over many decades. They did the same to the UK and have posts in every country on earth for the most part. North korea, iran, and cuba are the hardest to infiltrate.

Yes, of course. Thank you. It's obvious once you state it so clearly.

Just take a glance at who is in control of the Federal Reserve + Wall Street. It's all about sustaining power in the region for imperialism and economical gains. The Middle East has many resources: oil, natural gas, opium etc. Zionists will argue that Israel doesn't even have much oil. Well let's just say that actions speak louder than words...

Being in the middle east.

In my area, the local government 'won' a 10 million dollar grant.

Check this out...They can only use this money to PLAN a revitalization. That's what it is for...REVITALIZATION OF A PERFECTLY FINE AREA. I was left thinking, although we aren't as big as say NYC, with homeless, we could easily open up a shelter, a brand new rehab, all from scratch, yet we use it to PLAN REVITALIZATION. That's all we can use it for by law. WHAT THE FUCK. (That face when there is an estimated population of 20,000.

Yes, that's right. 20,000 people. That's the fucking population, and we are using 10 million for bullshit planning. If we divided it equally, we'd each get 500 - which I don't want to happen, I want them to either house, clothe and feed what homeless we do have, or pretty much anything other than PLANNING.

What will end up happening is, the local counsel will hire their friends at absurd prices. Fucking government man..

Yup a common practice among politicians unfortunately, charge an extreme over price for something that shouldn't cost that much and then pay your friends a wage that's ridiculously above the market rate for "consulting" and etc. It is the hallmark of financial mismanagement and echos of communism and failed central planning. It's pretty much what Putin did when hiring contractor "friends" that charged prices way above market rates to build the stadiums for the Sochi olympics.

I wonder if there is a technical name for this type of practice, anyone know it?

Is that not croney capitalism?

Being a evil dick?

They know they can help the people. They don't want to. The end game is to demoralize us all and then jump in like a hero to save us which is another dupe.

Or you could look at it the other way... giving all this aid to Israel causes there to be extreme poverty and homelessness here.

Real charity starts at home

But then all those weapons manufacturers that Israel has to buy from would be out of a job. /s

It's pretty harsh to realize the world is not fucked because we can't fix it, but because we don't want to. Plain and simple.

When people say things like "they want us to be poor! we are being manipulated to buy and make the rich richer!" we tend to think it's nonsense. But when you start thinking about it, thinking about in how many better ways the money can be spend, you realize it's true. There're people ill or in the streets while we (in my country) are giving money to banks. 20k millions (I think it's 20k billions to USA) given as a present TO A BANK while they're cutting the help for students and disabled people. C'mon what the fuck. This is the major conspiracy.

Edit. And 20k billions is the official number given by government, some say it doubles it, maybe even more, and banks were literally scamming people, not metaphorically, literally!

the world is not fucked because we can't fix it, but because we don't want to

Well, I would say that WE THE PEOPLE generally want to fix it. It's the sociopaths in government that don't want to fix it.

no money in housing homeless. giving israel money to buy missiles is a different story.

America being lead around by its nose ring, big, dumb, gelded. To them they think it's funny to be so stupid to fall into the Talmudic Trap and warfare by deception.

Oy vey Goyim, why are you questioning? Don't you remember the Shoah? /s

Fucking stupid government. Why can't they help instead of wasting money on stupid bullshit?

YOU HAVE BEEN BANNED FROM R/WORLDNEWS FOR ANTISEMITISM

Section 8 and housing programs are a scam to help the rich acquire property while leaving the poor in the rear view mirror

I haven't even been able to get on a LIST for section 8 housing. The lists themselves last for years...and I haven't even been able to get on that list :/ It is always closed.

My aunt was on Section 8 (schizophrenic and unable to work) but she got on it a looooong long time ago with the help of some worker that does that sorta thing. The places she was able to get all had roaches...And, if I remember right, she still had to pay some rent. She used her social security to pay it if she did.

Rich people buy the property for super low $ in lower income areas, poor people get vouchers, vouchers turn into money when they are handed to the rich man, rich man buys another property with magic voucher money. And yes, often times the subsidized amount doesn't cover the entire rent. Welfare is a scam. I don't know how to help the poor but I believe there is a way. The current system only exploits the poor

Yup. It's the "lower" middle working class that gets screwed by Uncle Sam.

I worked as a call agent for section 8 type housing. I directed people to the website. People who COULD NOT USE a computer were directed to the library to get to the website. I felt like a scumbag but was not allowed to handle the personal info such as SS # so couldn't help over the phone.

It's sad. They are given zero opportunity, live in someone else's home, and they never touch the money. The money just goes to the landlord who pays it right back to the government in taxes. Rigged shit. We all have our place in this fucked up system

I'm not an anti-Semite in the least. I have a ton of Jewish friends. My wife is GM of a company owned by a Jewish friend. I've even considered converting myself. But seriously, fuck Israel and its bullshit. It's time to stop supporting this nonsense.

This is unrelated to Israel, but speaking of money:

The US GDP is about $18 trillion a year. About 18% of that goes to healthcare. That's $3.2 trillion a year. This number can and should be cut by at least half, by moving to a single payer system or by implementing Obama's plan to provide a government-operated healthcare system in addition to the private ones.

Once this is done, America will have an extra one trillion dollars (conservative estimate) every year, with which it could presumably permanently house all homeless people 300 times.

Next topic: education costs.

We also live in a country where Fox news passionately advocates destroying food stamp programs because of supposed fraud, but they don't have the same energy to be angry about the trillions that have gone missing at the pentagon.

America is a puppet state of Israel, which isn't even a real country, it's just a massive garrison in the occupied state of Palestine. The JQ has never been more relevant

Here comes the Hasbara to slide this discussion into anti-jew rhetoric. Even though it's a legitimate question by a tax payer about where his/her tax money is going goin and has nothing to do with anti-Semitism.

That money doesn't fill the pockets of their biggest donors though.

I heard recently that the problem of world hunger could be solved for about 30 billion dollars a year too. We spend trillions to spread murder around the globe, but we could solve all of the worlds' problems for mere billions.

There's no way the price is $30 billion. That might be the price of food, but you need to account for the wars and corruption going on. If the US unilaterally and consistently worked to get the food out there, they still would have to contend with regional politicians who will coopt that aid and use it exclusively for their own military, or prevent enemy populations from receiving it. Next you have to deal with the problem of disenfranchising farmers who can't compete with "free", which results in an unemployed population who is condemned to perpetual slavery relying forever on the continued graces of foreign aid while they themselves forget about work and a useful way of life.

Possibly cutting out all the sales of military hardware would help more by curtailing the power of warmongers.

That might be the price of food, but you need to account for the wars and corruption going on.

Yeah, that's kind of the point. There's enough wealth and resources that we could ALL have nice things... if only the asshole sociopaths trying to murder everyone for profit would just stop trying to murder everyone. We absolutely need to figure out how to cut these subhuman pieces of shit off.

In the past, there wasn't enough to go around. Wars make sense when this is the case. Fighting for resources and wealth when there wasn't enough to go around. Today, thanks to the industrial revolution and the further advancements of technology, we could feed, clothe, and shelter everyone. We just need to stop trying to kill everyone first.

I'm not an anti-Semite in the least. I have a ton of Jewish friends. My wife is GM of a company owned by a Jewish friend. I've even considered converting myself. But seriously, fuck Israel and its bullshit. It's time to stop supporting this nonsense.

If I were president I would send them one of those mesh bags full of hunukah coins and then pull all aid.

Not just that, but with the defense spending and cut it in half especially on overpriced tech and the wars. I'm pretty sure we could house every American with a home at zero cost.

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It's called the synagogue of satan for a reason. That term was coined in the bible, yet somehow joos are our best friends and here to protect us from the evil muzzies. $$$

They do? Which Jews are you talking about? I'm not even Jewish, and I can name several kinds of Jews for you. I hate blanket statements.

WE SUCK

Soon, in America (like in Europe today) it will be illegal to criticize Israel. Be careful.

$63,000? If a person is homless, they could get by for much, much less.

We have almost always lived on less than $12k a year. Its possible, but definitely not fun. Really, we have just had very good luck to just slightly counteract all the bad luck.

Edit: To clarify, we have had cheap/free rent some years which usually my father's social security covered. Because my mother calculated how much we made, I don't know if the social security was part of that $12k or not. We never really got extra stuff like clothes very often, and when we did it was either at a thrift store or someone gave us their old stuff...so all the money went to bills, food, gas, etc.

While I agree we give far too much to Israel, some extra facts are in order. The aid to Israel is $38 billion over the next ten years, so about $3.8 billion per year.

The budget for the Department of Housing and Urban Development is $48 billion dollars this year alone, including $2.7 billion for Homeless Assistance Grants.

https://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/HUD?src=/budget

Why not house me first? I'm tired of working they owe me

Why would we want to give the homeless $60K houses? They need mental hospitals.

38$ billion israel giveaway

You drop this assertion without explanation, so I had to go figure out what you were talking about. It seems you're referencing this military aid deal.

What's interesting is that there are four recipients of US military aid totaling more than $1b/yr and Israel is third on that list.

You also make it sound as if this is money that's being handed over to Israel. That's not really true.

This is a ten year package of military support, which is primarily made up of promises to reimburse US weapons manufacturers for purchases of weapons and weapon systems (such as the $500m earmarked for missile defense systems).

As such, this is really just a chunk of the US military budget being paid to US companies by the US government with Israel among several other nations benefiting by receiving the hardware.

If you really want to get upset about something, I would focus on the overall US military budget, which could provide about $1000 to every single person living in extreme poverty, around the world, per year (a sum of money that would far exceed most such families' current income sources). Of course, the logistics of that are obscene, but it would still be a better way to spend the money, even if only half of it made it to the intended recipients.

1. The data looks old, like 2008/2006. What are the current numbers?

2. The other nations over the billion dollar mark on that list are Afghanistan, Iraq, and Egypt. You could justify Iraq and Afghanistan by saying that these are dirt poor nations that had their governments and military totally destroyed by American intervention so now we need to pay them to rebuild so that they can fight against active insurgencies we helped create. You might be even be able to justify the money to Egypt by saying that we're buying friends in the Middle East, it's not a great reason, but it's a reason.

But Israel is a first-world country with a strong economy and free democracy. They shouldn't need our help, especially not so much of it.

1. The data looks old, like 2008/2006. What are the current numbers?

Which data? There was a fair amount of detail I linked to... If there is something you feel has changed, feel free to cite more recent info, but I linked to what I could find. Obviously the main thrust of my points were the deal itself and the current size of the budget, both of which are pretty current (last year).

2. The other nations over the billion dollar mark on that list are Afghanistan, Iraq, and Egypt. You could justify...

If you want to argue justification, we could certainly have that political debate, but that's not what I was attempting to do. I was putting our military "aid" into perspective (it's odd to call it aid, it might make the discussion more logical if we called it what it is: gun vouchers).

The wikipedia list, it uses data from 2006 and 2008. Given the political changes since 2008, it would be interesting to see what the top countries are now. Did Israel move up or down? Is Egypt still included after the Arab Spring and coup?

I understand that. But if you don't like people attacking you, do you think it is a good idea to take their lands? I mean, it isn't as if they are going to be appreciative. I think for either side to heal, Israel needs to give back all the land they've taken and go back to pre 1967 borders.

Events in question

Oh and guess what. This also happend to be the time Israel attacked an ally, killing 34 Americans: The USS Liberty.

Israel isn't the ally you think they are.

Look at a map. there are jewish settlements all over territory that is suppose to belong to the palestinians. If only Israeli settlers learned from US history and exterminated most of the natives and then put the remaining in ghettos and on lots of government subsidies then they wouldn't have the problem that they are having right now.

everybody has ancient history ingrained in their culture. it isnt useful to pursue grievances from thousands of years ago. im an irish american and i personally couldnt give less of a shit about how the irish were royally screwed by the brits. its awful that it happened, but if i were to try to right those wrongs i would do nothing more than perpetuate violence and war. its much more useful to me to just get over it since it really has no impact on my current life.

Yes, of course. Thank you. It's obvious once you state it so clearly.

There's people getting bombarded and murdered all around the world(you didn't know Israel was dropping bombs on Syria?) because of a Zionist agenda and there are people BITCHING because Israel can't build fucking condos. I saw someone saying Israel was "under attack" today. It's ludicrous.

Israel pushed out millions of christian Palestinians who moved to other countries as refugees and are still trying to tear down the last remnants of Christianity in Palestine. They are your worst enemy. You think they like you?

That sounds great and all, but I kinda hold Israel as responsible as Hamas for the state of Israel and related issues around the middle east. We don't need allies like that. And we don't need to be in the middle east. That is an illusion.

So ya, no. America First.

You make a great point. He's been a Nazi and now he might as well be a Jew. Which is it?