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Wonderful post. You've articulated exactly what I've been thinking for a couple months now.

Street cred for Trump?

It does sound plausible. Even more so when you consider the kind of people he's surrounded by.

No source for this but I've heard there are several people from Goldman Sachs, Exxon guy is new Secretary of State and plenty of freshly retired Generals.

I was thinking how Trump was actually an independent candidate who disguised himself as a Republican. But I don't think he's the one running the show.

Pence is the far more experienced man in terms of politicking. Perhaps he will be to Trump what Cheney was to Bush Jr?

Finally, real outsiders never make it all the way to the top. Not Ron Paul and not Ross Perot. So it makes a certain amount of sense that Trump must fit in with someone's agenda... otherwise he'd never have gotten elected in the first place.

Or he ran under the rep label to stand a chance. Its a 2 party system. People usually are hard red or hard blue. They vote regardless who the candidate even is in many cases. Im not so sure a candidate can win the presidency without claiming to be a part of one of the 2 dinestys.

Trump could maybe run in 2020 as a new party once america falls in love with him ;)

Its already becoming a new party especially with all the Bernie people along with the incoming minorities and LGBT community slowly trickling in.

I'm not sure. W was a grade-A moron. Cheney and his gang likely did control him.

Trump is a different beast. His ego is so Yuge, I honestly think he'd rather be suicided than let anyone believe, even for a microsecond, that he wasn't the one running the show. Now, egos like that can be manipulated, and I'm sure that's happening. But I don't believe he's a simple puppet. He is much, much tougher to control. Hope I'm right.

Thank you for posting this. There is a clear distinction between the two.

My thoughts exactly

Came here to say in much much better words you kinda got something out that has bothered me for sometime now. I always felt it odd the media prop up of Trump how they couldn't give him enough time, at first I chalked it up to CTR him being the perfect "fall guy" but it is important to compare his treatment to other "outsiders" such as Paul.

Good job.

How the Hillary Clinton campaign deliberately “elevated” Donald Trump with its “pied piper” strategy - Salon.com

salon.com, really? figured you of all people would steer clear of that trash rag

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/01/23/salon_truthers_online_mag_publishes_retracts_9_11_conspiracy_story_give.html

To be fair, while salon is garbage. It is information released through the email dumps. I've read the specific pied Piper email.

This is perfect! You can tell when someone is apart of the establishment, because the media consistently talks about them.

So Bill Cosby was part of the establishment?

BINGO

The whole thread is getting downvoted, don't take it personally.

I guess I should have been more clear, but It's more when the media gives politicians publicity. That usually means they are apart of the agenda.

Yeah, Trump held importance. He was running for president. Against the bank's golden child Hillary Clinton. They wanted her. The war machine wanted her. APAIC wanted her. I'm sure they will settle for Trump. And if Trump does prove us all wrong, that would be great. So far he is doing a better job than Obama and it's only been a week. And yes Trump hangs out with rich people and politicians being he's a billionaire and probably isn't going to hang out with some worthless welfare applying, EBT from the hood.

It's been 5 days

Yeah, Trump held importance. He was running for president. Against the bank's golden child Hillary Clinton. They wanted her. The war machine wanted her. APAIC wanted her. I'm sure they will settle for Trump. And if Trump does prove us all wrong, that would be great. So far he is doing a better job than Obama and it's only been a few weeks. And yes Trump hangs out with rich people and politicians being he's a billionaire and probably isn't going to hang out with some worthless welfare applying, EBT from the hood.

media was quiet on his rapes for decades but it did go viral against their wishes

Ron Paul I think is the only politician I truly believe in. Most honest man on the job imo

That's why people won't vote for him. He is too good. Trump is rough and believable.

Ron Paul supports DT

Great post, OP, thank you. Here is one very clear example:

Last July, Comey came out and stated, in substance, "Clinton is corrupt but we won't be pursuing her". This happened right after the Bill/Loretta airplane encounter.

On the same holiday week-end, the State propaganda accused Donald Trump of being an "antisemite". As proof, they bombarded the American public with a poster that bore the face of Clinton, and read "Most Corrupt Candidate Ever". On the first day they showed the poster with a six-pointed star, on the second day with a circle after Trump had changed it and said it was a sheriff's star. Now, who in his right mind could think Donald Trump is judeophobic? Not even a morbidly obese, testicle-severed bathroom militant. Even the deepest-living algae wouldn’t buy it. Trump explained it away with the sheriff star, and the public forgot all about it (the propaganda thereafter stopped saying he was "antisemitic"). But the slogan of Clinton as the most corrupt candidate ever was effectively imprinted. The rest of the campaign basically served as confirmation bias for that July 4/5 blitz.

Don't get me wrong. Hillary Clinton is a war criminal and a child trafficker. She should be expediently hanged. But I believe she played her the role in the campaign, knowingly or otherwise. That of a scarecrow. The caricature of a House of Card-esque hypocrite. For every super-hero needs his super-villain.

There are more examples here https://np.reddit.com/r/magnora7/comments/5odisy/we_are_witnessing_the_birth_of_seconddegree/

Damn! Great point. Don't forget how Hollywood actors who are really wealthy and annoying were denouncing him, but Hollywood sat on the Apprentice tapes which would have scuttled his election campaign!

Bush endorsing Clinton was the kiss of death!

I think that Sanders and Ron Paul are different enough in many respects, but it was clear throughout this campaign season that Sanders wasn't getting the same treatment as the "real" candidates, and not much better/worse than Stein or Johnson. He couldn't be shut down as completely as Ron Paul was, but he also A) wasn't voicing many of the same concerns as Paul, and B) had the benefit of a more widespread social media than Paul had.

Sanders did not run to win. If he ever intended to win, he would've hired a ton of people to go through Hillary's emails. Instead, he said he's not going to talk about the emails right from the start, and even publicly apologised to her.

truth.

and i supported him in the primary--however i knew his actual voting record was no better than fienstien's. chris hedges et al warned from the day he announced he was a sheep dog, but i chose to discount it, because he seemed so unlikely to do any better than kucinich.

bernie's schtick is very effect, give a rousing speech against a terrible bill then vote for it anyway with a meally mouthed, there was good provision hidden in the pile of evil provisions, excuse.

his vote for the jim crow act of 1994 that he has defended ad infinitum based on the inclusion of two insignificant, symbolic provisions, and his refusal to acknowledge that on the whole he was complicit in creating the prison industrial complex and the parimilitary police depts, sums him up in a nutshell...sigh

the difference is huge--bernie has always fallen in line in the end, and he is firmly behind our interventionist, imperial foriegn policy. he extols his iraq war vote, because it is basically the only time he has voted against the grain. he conveniently leaves out that he supported every air strike and sanction of iraq in the 1990s that resulted in the deaths of over 500,000 iraqi children. he supports drone strikes, he supports the kill list, he supports arming SA and providing them logistical support, which means he implicitly supports the genocide of the yemeni people.

ron paul's mirror is his comrade dennis kucinich. the only division in american governance and alignment is those south of the x-axis of the political compass, and those north of it.

paul and kucinich and stein are below, bernie and clinton, and trump are above. the anti-statists, pro-self determenation, pro-privacy, anti-"law and order" southerns are the only thing that really frightens the establishment, and the only ones that are truly anti-establishment.

trump is doubling down on the upper-right, facist quadrant of the political compass policies and goals of the establishment, on the compass he is right there with clinton and obama. the shit I've taken for "supporting" him by saying that his inability to keep the shit our govt does out of polite conversation is a good thing, because it is out in the open, and sunshine is the best disinfectant, is getting tiresome however...the absurdity of an anarchist being called a facist would be funny if it weren't so pathetic.

sigh...

Exactly. Now Sanders (and his "progressive" pal Warren) has essentially supported these recent cabinet nominations.

Good. I'm glad. People need to see this charlatan for what he is. The nice, old guy schtick won't last.

Or the establishment miscalculated, thought that Trump was a buffoon that would easily crash against Clinton, if not in the primaries, and by the time they took him seriously, he was already the republican candidate.

The Podesta leaks revealed that the brains behind the establishment are not brilliant geniuses. Some of them are dumb, they make mistakes, they miscalculate, they are arrogant, they are so used to getting their way that they underestimate their opponents and overestimate their strength. They lie so much to themselves and each other that they cannot fathom and understand the ground sentiment (see Brexit).

And i think the power structure at the top is more complicated than the simplistic idea that 'oh the establishment insiders are one monolithic entity in charge and in control of everything!'.

In any case, Ron Paul speaks very approvingly of Trump's first few days in office. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPck8wd3tAo

This is what I am most inclined to think as well.

The all powerful Eye of Sauron type conspiracies don't sit well with me. Whoever ever the top is, it's most likely fallible people. Arrogant, jealous, scared, powerful people.

Dan Carlin just released a new Hardcore History about the rise of nuclear weapons through the Cuban missle crisis. It does a really good job of setting up the gravity of world politics at that time. My guess is that, that stress and memories of the world wars set the stage for a group of powerful people to come together and do whatever it takes so they were never in that situation again.

Most deep state conspiracy theories seem to start with Kennedy's assassination, George Webb's current series about Braverman and Haiti included.

This would be a separate group or overlapping group from the central bank or high finance conspiracies.

Most good conspiracies start post WW2 the establishment of the UN. That's where things get the most interesting.

I'll have to dig harder! The UN stuff seems relatively out in the open at this point though.

Could you give me a hint?

https://www.reddit.com/r/HarbinHotSprings/

This was a subreddit which was initially meant to start pooling the evidence together but it's really a long dark trail from there.

Well that looks deep and dank... happy hunting

So what with warmongering towards Russia?

In the perspective you talk about I would understand they would normalize war on smaller scale and localized as a escape valve and weapons dump, but the US Russia standoff doesn't fit in that.

My guess is that they think it can continue to be managed cold war style. Spend spend spend and have proxy wars in far off lands.

Alternatively, they may believe that the ring of missile defense systems around Russia has neutralized the threat (and maybe it has, what the hell do I know :} ) and they can ramp up tensions again to convince the people to go along with the military budget.

3rd option, the group split. Original group developed means and methods (Brownstone blackmail garbage) to ensure at any classic war cost that nuclear war never happens again. Modern splinter group takes the knowledge of these operations and creates global crime syndicate as discussed in Webb's series. They would also be the ones pushing towards war with Russia to increase the budget that they siphon off of.

The champions of US foreign policy are the banks, oil, and military industrial profiteers. All three of these industries invest in and profit from both sides of a conflict. They kept up the Cold War for decades, and when that died out, they found a new global undefeatable enemy in Islam.

Another war with Russia would benefit these organizations greatly.

The all powerful Eye of Sauron type conspiracies don't sit well with me.

Same here. At some point you just start arguing conspiracies all the way down, with less and less evidence (and common sense) the deeper you go.

So the globalist powers that be threw all their media and political weight against a candidate that was clearly running as an anti-globalist, but that was all just a ruse. They knew that he'd win (barely) despite all this and in doing so everyone would be fooled into thinking that he's not a globalist.

So now their true puppet is in power and he's doing things like backing out of globalist trade deals and the UN...Is that part of an even deeper conspiracy? Is that going to make the knife in the back that much sweeter when Trump finally dissolves America and hands control over to the UN?

Or, they could have just focused on getting Hillary elected and everything would have continued to progress towards their goals without any speed bumps. Just dump your resources and time into getting your agenda done, don't waste them propping up fake opposition for no reason.

TPTB are smart, but they are probably a lot more reactionary and less monolithic than people are assuming. I'm going to go out on a limb and say they probably didn't plan on Trump getting elected, but now that he is, they're going to try and stack the deck in response.

So now their true puppet is in power and he's doing things like backing out of globalist trade deals and the UN...Is that part of an even deeper conspiracy? Is that going to make the knife in the back that much sweeter when Trump finally dissolves America and hands control over to the UN?

Fucking this.... Listen, I will consider even the wildest theory out there, but this doesn't make any actual sense.

The 2016 election was supposed to be Jeb! v Hitlery - the globalist puppet candidates, period.

Soros et al didn't spend $300m+ on Jeb! as a "ruse".

"Please clap..." lolol that was the best! "WHY AREN'T I 50 PTS AHEAD!!" is a close second though.

Yeah, I think it was supposed to be Jeb v. Hillary too.

By all appearances many members of the establishment seem to be willing to fall on their fucking swords to derail President Trump. Doesn't feel like a ruse and you are exactly correct why waste all the energy.

I've chosen to support him until something actually happens that indicates I shouldn't.

I am a little wary of the fact that he hasn't brought up the other big trade deals though. There were 3 (TPP, TTIP, & TISA) only TPP has been mentioned afaik.

Agreed. I also find his pro-Zionism stances pretty troubling.

The all powerful Eye of Sauron type conspiracies don't sit well with me. Whoever the top is, it's most likely fallible people. Arrogant, jealous, scared, powerful people.

There's definitely an Eye of Sauron. But it's fairly large groups, and they have their infighting.

Oh the spying is definitely for real, National Hero Edward Snowden taught us that.

There is more to Snowden than meets the eye. He started at the CIA. I'm inclined to think he might be a limited hangout. Are you familiar with the idea?

I believe it's they let you know just this much for some specific purpose.

My interpretation of Snowden is that it was a coordinated effort between him and other unknown internal parties.

Or limited hangout

It doesn't seem plausible to me that he by himself accomplished what he did and got to safety in Russia without inside help.

Yeah, there's no way. I think he was some kind of CIA asset, trying to expose other factions within the government.

It gets weird when he goes to Russia, though. Because they hate the CIA.

I noticed an incredible amount of aggro directed at Russia immediately after that. Never stopped either

The two main factions, IIRC are the Western Zionists and the east (dragon family), but I believe it is more complex than that, such as Russian Mafia (see theory on Russian Mafia involvement in 9/11), possible breach away space colonies from both sides, etc.. This is some wild shit.

I've heard that George Webb is hitting hammer on nail, though I've only seen a dozen of his videos so far.

I've watched all 100 ish that are on the channel currently. It is the most plausible explanation of ALL THE SHIT I have ever seen.

It's dark and gross of course but who would expect the truth to be anything else.

Yes my brethren. There is some mental gymnastics at play.

It should also be noted that throughout the Podesta emails they talk about giving him media attention. They say his mistakes will ruin him.

It should ALSO be noted that Trump has always been good at playing the media for attention and this is something Ron Paul absolutely does not do well.

The media attacked Trump because he was coming off like an idiot and thought they could paint him like an idiotic racist, it's just they failed.

podesta emails are fake and hence so is pizzagate, cuz they got leaked after assange got killed and wikileaks was compromised

Listen Horus, I like most of your comments, but this one doesn't make sense unless you're being sarcastic.

We have the DKIM keys, which prove the authenticity of Podesta's emails.

no we don't but that would be a good way for assange to give proof of life, I won't hold breath tho

You dont know what youre talking about do you?

I don't agree with your opinion. Take this downvote! Hopefully that will teach you for having different views than other people.

False. WikiLeaks has not had to retract anything as "fake news" and they have won every single court battle that has challenged their information. They also have tests to verify leaked emails. Also, the Podesta leaks started before Assange went dark.

I was one of the people who created the full documents on the possibility that Assange got killed. I've no reason to think he is still dead.

Lol Donald Trump is not going to run

Lol Donald Trump is not going to win the rep nomination

Hillary is not corrupt! There's no such thing as NWO! You conspiracy theoriests are stupid

Lol Trump will not win the election

Lol Trump will not get anything done. He'll be the worst president.

WE'RE HERE NOW: DRUMPF is controlled by the NWO! They're making it look like he's anti-establishment by making him do things that are detrimental to them and waking up millions to their corruption and incompetence. You're all being played! Stop being pro-establishment!

Lol Trump is not going to be remembered as the greatest president of all time.

One of them, he will be

I agree. I feel like the OP is missing out on one key point: the Clinton Campaign worried about Trump because he has charisma. If Trump was like Ron Paul and didn't touch into the people's thoughts as he did, then I think he would have been laughed off as a joke.

To me, it makes more sense that, assuming Trump is a part of an elite establishment, there would be different "factions." The Clinton, Obama, etc.'s would try to enforce their "political correctness" agenda against the opposing side and see if it would achieve their side's election win. These elites are just as fallible as humans can be- because that's what they are (...assumingly).

"These elites are just as fallible as humans can be- because that's what they are (...assumingly)."

Or they could be Lizards. (...assumingly)

The Clinton camp was not worried about trump. In fact they wanted him to be he nominee

Thanks for this. I do t understand the idea that the Cabal is an all-knowing, infallible collection of elites that always move in lockstep for the good of the Cabal. Think about it, even if PG isn't true, to orchestrate the misery and atrocities the Cabal is accused of requires them to be the most sociopathic megalomanics humanly possible. To think that they always work together for the greater good of the Cabal, at the expense of their own personal power, is laughable. It is far more likely that there are, and will always be, warring factions within any such cabal.

I do t understand the idea that the Cabal is an all-knowing, infallible collection of elites that always move in lockstep for the good of the Cabal.

It's planted there by the cabal. Like a lot of the bad conspiracy theories.

Or the establishment miscalculated, thought that Trump was a buffoon that would easily crash against Clinton, if not in the primaries, and by the time they took him seriously, he was already the republican candidate.

I think it's funny how OP and the like come up with all these elaborate theories, when we have emails confirming exactly what you say is the case.

They pushed Trump because they thought he was going to fold easily, and it backfired in a major way.

People have such short memories. I remember that TPP was NEVER MENTIONED before Trump started interjecting it into debates and such. He forced Hitlery's public position on it.

The idea that globalists spent 10+ years negotiating their secret corporate-sovereignty agreement for the express purpose of having it shot down is ridiculous.

As is the idea that people like Soros et al spent $300 million propping up Jeb! just for him to get completely REKT with zero effort by Trump.

Exactly. It is very little portion of them that are '40 steps ahead geniuses'. They are not what they were half thousand years ago. Both their internal wars and the illumination of masses weakened them immensely . When I look back at the last 100 years, I see more reaction than planned action. Their time of hiding knowledge is about to pass, and they know it. It shouldn't be the current power structure that we should discuss about but the one that is about to take place.

Or the establishment miscalculated, thought that Trump was a buffoon that would easily crash against Clinton, if not in the primaries, and by the time they took him seriously, he was already the republican candidate.

I think that BOTH you and OP are right. Some of this is a dog-and-pony show to make it look like the establishment hates Trump. But a lot of this is real hatred, evidence by the real harm done to public trust in the media.

Like it when they say a candidate polling makes him or her unelectable and with that they don't give he/her anymore coverage. Doesn't matter about what the message, it's truth, or the validity to the ordinary voter.

Don't agree in libertarian policies but I give Ron Paul credit for being honest and brave in his statements.

This should be stickied at the top of this sub. Forever.

I second this mods.

Been saying this since the first Republican primary debate. If they didnt want him elected why was he given a center dias? He would have been off screen like the marginalized candidates were.

They cant use the same strategy for Trump since he never really belonged to the GOP, they even wondered what "pied piper" candidate they wanted, Trump has been well know for many years and for the media to be quite about such a candidate who newly was a buisiness man and reality show host, while also announcing his candidacy wide and on TV, would be too sudpicious and not work in their favor IMO

The Man of Drumpfft was chosen. He will stooge before the final chant.

Trump also had 5 billion dollars worth of free advertising from the MSM - something that all the Trump supporters don't want to admit.

I'm wishy washy on he's real vs. we're supposed to think he's real.

Up vote though, good post.

Well like I like to say.

Talk is cheap. Watch what he do an if the action goes along with the talk then..... he is real.

that's the plan :)

Lol give me a break,

1. Just now on the frontage is a document showing how the Hillary campaign helped propel Trump and Cruz to stardom in order to ostracize the Republicans. This backfired but I doubt it was a conspiracy as it made sense then and most of us can understand their reasoning; almost nobody predicted Trump would win.

2. Trump shat all over the Fed and asked for an audit and accused them of playing political games.

3. Trump reverses every main point on the globalist agenda including a return to nationalism and a withdrawal from the UN. How much more anti-establishment can u get?

4. Trump is in favor of devolving many issues like abortion to the states.

5. Trump spoke highly of Ron Paul.

6. Trump is proposing a constitutionalism supreme court judge who will strongly uphold all amendments from being too openly interpreted. This means the basic freedoms that made America great will be safe.

Remind me where this all fits in the agendas of these so-called 'conspirators' that you say exist? Just because something is possible only in far out hypothetical does not mean it's credible or logical in any way.

Remind me when he jails Hillary. xD

He's being very careful not to do that. When asked if Hillary is still being investigated he said he hopes not but that investigations are still underway. He is letting congress do the dirty work. He knows exactly what he's doing. I don't think he's letting her go, but I think he's smart enough to know that it would backfire if he personally got involved. So he is saying 'not my problem ask congress' when anyone has asked. Just look at the latest interview ABC did with him in the Oval office on Jan 25.

Not only that, because he wants a Republican controlled congress, so he won't pin it on them.

Sessions will be the sacrificial lamb on Hillary. It'll be Session's DOJ that runs her up the flagpole. If there is not enough backlash, Sessions will be fine. If the backlash is too big, Sessions can be let go (easy to sell too, as Sessions is a conservative hardliner, so of course that mean old man hates Hillary and wants to pursue a witch-hunt!)

Wait till Jeff Session get in!

The FBI is biding they're time until they have a legit DOJ

Whole thing is a shuck & jive routine. Assange is part of the ruse.

This will be revealed eventually. Thus, the Adrioning.

Although have thought this is possible, I have also been thinking that they didn't really want him to win. At least that's what we'd want. If this is the case, he beat the establishment. I think there is actually a difference between Paul and Trump. Whether he did it on purpose, or can't control himself, Trumps behavior is what gained him the attention. Every potential president usually gets made fun of for hair or big ears or something. But Trump was so vocal about his ideas, and he wasn't afraid of it. He was basically worth it to the news. They didn't mind sharing because who would have thought he'd win.

I think his personality and the way he went about his ideas was what could have made him outshine other conservatives. Looking back I feel like past "losers" seem like they already are losing. Trump was playing to win and you could tell. So if his election isn't part of a grand plan it's pretty cool.

Great point. I also have thought about this often. What they did to Ron Paul was an outrage and also very effective...they may have rigged some of the polls and changed the primary rules as well to prevent him winning as well as shutting him out from media and never speaking in positives about him. His rallies were exponentially bigger than every other candidate. Its hard to believe that the poll numbers were accurate knowing the turnout he was getting compared to everybody else.

I think there is something to the pied piper strategy by Clinton as stated in the DNC leaks...(another example of Hillary acting as a terrorist, willing to saddle the country with who she thought was the worst candidate in order to increase her odds of winning... hopefully it will work out better for us, but her intentions are important). The media seemed to be giving Trump a lot of attention especially showing clips of him bullying the other candidates and we also know how much the MSM was on Hillary's side because of the emails. So it could easily have been planned that way too put her up against someone they thought couldn't and wouldn't win.

Another thought I've had is that maybe Trump's policies and ideas are more palatable for those in power. Maybe his foreign policy. He is a huge supporter of Israel, something you need to be to advance in politics at the current time. The pro-israel lobby is strong and powerful in this country. He

Ron Paul was never a threat to them. He didn't have the resources, nor the personality to unite a nation.

I'm going to tell you what I think.

If they treated Trump like they did Ron paul Trump would have eaten them alive!

Ron do not have the communication skill for asymmetric media warfare. I like the guy But Trump is a much superior communicator. That is why they are losing there collective shit over him.

Anyways Talk is cheap and in just 6 day he as done more stuff than Obama in 8 Fucking years!

Talk is cheap. What has he accomplished in 6 days?

How do you ignore someone like Donald Trump, he makes his appeal and his brand on being outspoken and controversial, basically he is the Howard Stern or Kim Kardashian of the last election. A champion on social media and someone who LIVES to ruffle the feathers and intimidate people. I don't think Trump would let them get away with it.

On top of that, consider that Hillary and the Establishment WANTED Trump because they were under the assumption the American people wouldn't have the gall nor be informed enough to call out Hillary on her bullshit and being a straight puppet for TPTB. Trump said the things that the American people knew to be right and they took that que and voted him in. The Establishment took a gamble and lost their bet just like they did in 2008.

Yu think they lost the bet in 08?

no one ever liked bill Clintons wife that much cuz he wrecked the country with nafta

she lost in 08 to a dude named Hussein Osama.

Not sure.Trump was a huge celebrity before his run so he already had a big following on social media and great name recognition.Plus Social media was way bigger in 2016 than 2012.Trump had of course MONEY, Paul had a few great money bombs but not in the same league.

Think about this.Perot did very well in 1992 as an independent self funded candidate.There are many similarities between Perots run and Trumps.Both ran on an anti-NAFTA policy but since Trump ran 25 years after Perot the American worker could see the damage caused by such policies and get behind Trump more than they did Perot.

Agreed 100%. AstroTurf rebel

I saw something interesting in /r/politics.

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/5q8not/in_first_interview_as_president_donald_trump/dcx85gu/

Thank you Vanity Fair for calling a spade a spade.

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The corporate media took a "those we don't speak of" approach to Ron Paul and it worked like a charm.

Plot twist = The MSM were on to us so they add legitimacy to his "anti establishment" character providing tiny leaks and whispers of Trump actually being part of the establishment so we think we've been tricked and move full force to remove him from office when Trump really was anti-establishment all along and we've just fell for their master plan!

Honestly, I don't think the media really knew what they were doing by giving trump 24/7 media coverage.

Trump, himself, said that during the campaign, he would wake up, turn on the news, see that they weren't talking about him, send a controversial set of tweets, and he'd be all over the news for the rest of the day.

I'm not disputing your argument, it could very well be true, but I just don't see the media being in control enough to be behind trump's win.

A fucking men

YES! Finally someone who I can agree with on this!

I disagree that Trumps victory was a planned conspiracy by the big players. I think in order to understand who owns Trump, you have to look at the Mercer family, who saved Trumps campaign after the disaster at the RNC.

There is no anti establishment movement by Trump. Trumps victory is a different clique of players trying to move in and leech some political power. Hence the war with the media and CIA.

good point if MSM really hated trump they'd ignore him

reality star, similar to bed time for bonzo Reagan? perfect for a puppet.

OP nailed it! Once again, trump gets way too much fucking publicity and limelight for him to not be in on it. The very wealthy elite, the handful of prolly who own the mainstream media were complicit in this boost of popularity and portrayal of him as a larger than life figure. Ron Paul got shat on and called unelectable and a ficking total blackout.

I think we all know something is up, this didn't just happen. Why, is the question.

Rand Paul, the only candidate on both 'sides' who was opposed to Bush implemented policies like endless war and spying, was conspicuously ignored by the MSM. Even before the primary debates they gave Trump 24/7 airtime.

It's obvious that a notorious morally bankrupt liar, who ran a "Reality" show where he acted confident (you know, con man), was artificially inflated by the corporate (read: pro-war) media.

Check out /r/RonPaulCensored

I've been saying that for over a year.

Ron Paul is a true Libertarian, Trump is not, nor is he a Republican and, well not a Democrat either. All that said since Ron Paul was not allowed to be nominated the point is moot, that ship has sailed. Still hoping for the best with Trump, what else can one do, accept it he is the President of the United States, he has the helm and therefore I support him.

Agreed 100 percent. Also look at how the media never have Sanders any exposure, even when he did crazy shit that should have gotten them better ratings... Now come to think about it, the establishment wanted exactly this.

Trump is Obama 2.0 and I cannot believe how naive people are.

Let me say it bluntly...

You do not get to sniff the presidency unless you are all in with the NWO agenda.

Better start believing in the cult of ultimate evil, you are living under it.

Yes. Although the Trump card may have backfired on them, as an easy opponent to beat. His cabinet picks reak of alligators filling the swamp. Who knows yet, unless you're in on the inside of western global elite plannings. Interesting times we are in, even more now. He wiped the TPP on his asshole, but also supports pipelines. Maybe he is taking the forplay slow untill he releases a huge Jizz load on the global elites faces lol.

And I dont remember the constructive follow up to that paragraph right now because I'm drunk.

The media treated Trump, Ron Paul, and Sanders more or less in the same way. They ignored these candidates and mocked them, trying to portray them as losers it was not worth listening to. The difference between them is that Ron Paul and Sanders sold out, and Trump did not.

should have put ron paul in his cabinet

instead a bunch of goldman sachs guys and vince macmahons wife

Same with bernie.

I think Ron Paul does not have the press/media savvy that Trump does. I like Paul, but Trump could just as easily been buried by the vitriol and invectives if he wasn't, well...Trump.

He played the media against itself and outmaneuvered them in my opinion. That, and it was a sheer act of God! :)

I would have to agree with that establishment isn't just black and white. It's still a group of people who meet together though. For example you see all them meeting together at The Bilderberg meeting. What they talk about is a mystery. The media is controlled though to some extent. They allowed trump to be the voice of the people who are republican, because he wasn't politically correct and they ate that shit up. Trumps purpose is to divide us and if your apart of LGBQT+-!? or what ever other fucking letter they put on it, to feel like our voice isn't being heard. Same as if you are black. It causing a divide, when it should be the seen as the rich getting richer, and the poor getting poorer. They want to divide us so that we fight back based on our attributes and what we define ourselves as. The problem is just class warfare. Trump is making everyone segregate them selves, when we should be doing completely the opposite. Forget you dumb political party you associate your selves with. When you vote for either Trump or Hilary you will get exactly 4 more years of war, Federal Reserve still intact, and the rich not paying any or little taxes.

I feel like they're brewing a race war.

The amount of butt hurt and emotion I'm seeing from other black people about Trump is disgusting... It's seriously pathetic. Black people in November were acting like we were going to get taken in the middle of the night by men with guns as soon as Trump got into office.

I'd watch out for more police shootings now that Trump is in office. Especially now that he tweeted about sending Feds into Chi-raq.

If that goes down BLM and other idiot blacks will make it out as the President "invading" black neighborhoods or a war on blacks.

Everytime I see a blacktivist online promoting race war and white genocide I shake my fucking head... So many useful idiots in this country (as proven by the women's march and BLM).

Strong theory, although I would argue you give the media to much credit and fail to blame the RNC. The RNC would have/probably did give Ron Paul the same treatment that the DNC gave to Bernie.

Our media is collectively stupid. Its about selling ad space and generating web traffic, etc. They don't care what the story is as long as it sells. Trump played the media, they gave him excessive coverage. Yes a lot of it was negative, but that didn't matter to Trump. He just wanted people talking about him. That is the reality showman in him.

Most of the blame lies with the establishment. I can tell you nothing unites the RNC and DNC quite like a strong third party candidate. I live in MN and voted for Jesse Ventura. I regret that vote, he was a clown. But I do remember dems and repubs uniting to make Jesse look bad.

RON PAUL FOR LIFE

I didn't vote in November, but I still think he was the better choice than Clinton. The real election was during the primaries. Sanders, though he may have just been controlled opposition from the beginning anyway, should've mollywhopped Clinton in those primaries. That's when I forever lost faith in everything establishment.

The huge difference between the two is that Ron Paul wasn't a well known international celebrity billionaire with a television show. Ron Paul was easily ignored. Trump could not be ignored.

ORRRR it's double reverse psychology and ron paul was a plant to fit the mold of "a true outsider" so that when someone like trump came around we would believe he was the corrupt one and ron paul was the right one

dude i'm joking

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how the fuck did you know? what if you're actually a psyop and thus entire post was meant to be seen by me so i would see myself as a conspirator opposed by the majority of conspirators only to convince myself i was joking which would further deter my thought process from the joke i had made

Yea because they never said Trump was "unelectable", right? They never showed polls which were obviously inaccurate, right? Even now, people are calling him illegitimate, right?

Wow. Very good.

The real reason that Ron Paul and Sanders getting the shaft is because they try to take on the TPTB head on. Of course they are gonna get shit on faster than light.

Trump doing something different. He mask his own brilliance with his ego and stupidity. This making his "dumb billionare" persona stand out, and making the TPTB have no idea how truly hard to kill he is.

Of course, this not just fool the TPTB, but making him completely unreadable. Volitile and unpredictable, a perfect trait for the destroyer. And Trump is that guy.

He is probably plotting against them since 1995 (his remark about Epstein basically is a subtle blackmail). He hint about running since 2005 (he said something like he is not running for now, but will run in the future if he wants to).

I think he really did want to run in 2008, but Epstein trying to rat him out to the cabal so he throw him under the bus and kick him out, waiting to strike again. This election is his strike chance tho. And he played perfectly, backstabbing the entire cabal who has zero thinking that behind the egoistic dumbass act, is a true evil genuis, even tho the hint is there.

Now u are thinking that the cabal is an all-powerful organization that couldnt been take down in anyway normally. But that was basically fear-mongering thinking. They dont know all the variables, so they are trying their best to scare the people who knows about them to think they know it all. It basically just that, an entity that is only undefeatable when u think they are.

Now I'm not saying that Trump was for the people, never was. His ego makes him wants to have it all, and the cabal takedown is just that: to get their power and wealth. His appointment basically is the new cabal starting to form. That's why the police state was usher much more: it was for the full control. The cabal, when getting knocked out of that position, will try their best to regain that position, through the old puppet that still inside (the CIA, the congress). This also explain why Trump using so much EO so fast: he want to bypass them all.

truth.

and i supported him in the primary--however i knew his actual voting record was no better than fienstien's. chris hedges et al warned from the day he announced he was a sheep dog, but i chose to discount it, because he seemed so unlikely to do any better than kucinich.

bernie's schtick is very effect, give a rousing speech against a terrible bill then vote for it anyway with a meally mouthed, there was good provision hidden in the pile of evil provisions, excuse.

his vote for the jim crow act of 1994 that he has defended ad infinitum based on the inclusion of two insignificant, symbolic provisions, and his refusal to acknowledge that on the whole he was complicit in creating the prison industrial complex and the parimilitary police depts, sums him up in a nutshell...sigh

the difference is huge--bernie has always fallen in line in the end, and he is firmly behind our interventionist, imperial foriegn policy. he extols his iraq war vote, because it is basically the only time he has voted against the grain. he conveniently leaves out that he supported every air strike and sanction of iraq in the 1990s that resulted in the deaths of over 500,000 iraqi children. he supports drone strikes, he supports the kill list, he supports arming SA and providing them logistical support, which means he implicitly supports the genocide of the yemeni people.

ron paul's mirror is his comrade dennis kucinich. the only division in american governance and alignment is those south of the x-axis of the political compass, and those north of it.

paul and kucinich and stein are below, bernie and clinton, and trump are above. the anti-statists, pro-self determenation, pro-privacy, anti-"law and order" southerns are the only thing that really frightens the establishment, and the only ones that are truly anti-establishment.

trump is doubling down on the upper-right, facist quadrant of the political compass policies and goals of the establishment, on the compass he is right there with clinton and obama. the shit I've taken for "supporting" him by saying that his inability to keep the shit our govt does out of polite conversation is a good thing, because it is out in the open, and sunshine is the best disinfectant, is getting tiresome however...the absurdity of an anarchist being called a facist would be funny if it weren't so pathetic.

sigh...

I do t understand the idea that the Cabal is an all-knowing, infallible collection of elites that always move in lockstep for the good of the Cabal.

It's planted there by the cabal. Like a lot of the bad conspiracy theories.