"So we aren't allowed to discuss "pizzagate" on Reddit." 👌

Let's test out, Pizzagate /u/spez. I assume that this will get deleted lol

Ok thanks !

Indeed

I've seen people call it pedogate. That's what it should have been called the whole time.

Pedogate it is.

WashingtonCP

Is there a pedogate sub? Bc that needs to be a thing

Better than pizzagate by far.

Call it what it is. 'elitesatanistsfuckingandeatingourkids-gate'

THIS

"Can you find something a little cuter? "Pedo" just feels too dark."

-network notes

Evidence of it happening before is not evidence that pizzagate is another case.

You must establish evidence that Alefantis is guilty of child molestation/rape first, which pizzagate has not done.

Getting people investigated because of anonymous accusers think what they post online is creepy despite no evidence of any crime, no victim, no witnesses, no accuser and no former employees collaborating any accusations.

Police state here we come! Never thought this sub would be it's biggest cheerleader though.

Seriously. 2-3 years ago, half of what we talked about here is the growing police state and how it's fucked up.

Now this sub is endorsing it. Dragnet surveillance too since that's the only "investigation" that could take place; 24/7 surveillance just waiting to see if they do anything.

Explain how calling for somebody's investigation/ arrest with no evidence of a crime based on anonymous online accusations that don't allow the accused to face his accusers isn't supporting a police state.

And of course we have the added bonus of "anybody who questions what we're doing is defending pedophiles". Despite the fact that once again, no accuser, no victim, no witness and no former employees collaborating anything.

What the fuck?

Pedophile defending rat? Ctr? I didn't know CTR believed 9/11 was a false flag, or that sandy hook and Boston had too much fuckery about them to accept what we've been told.

You've openly admitted that there's nothing on his instagram that shows that he endorses pedophilia. You acknowledge there isn't a crime to investigate.

You're endorsing a police state by calling for investigation into a bunch of people's lives for their instagram posts that you admitted do not endorse pedophilia.

And that's rich, a new user calling a /conspiracy user for 4 years a shill. Go fuck yourself

Removed. Rule 4.

That's fine. Surprised his post got taken down too, made 4 or 5 reports in the past day and that's the first I saw removed.

Removed. Rule 4.

What would you investigate? What crime? Who's the victims of the crime? When and where did the crime take place?

Those are the minimum things you need for an investigation. Otherwise, who gives a shit about his instagram. I could literally make one right now and post the exact same shit. Does that make me a pedophile?

Oh, and where did the code words come from? 4chan

I mean Jesus dude...if you had a friend on instagram who posted/liked/commented the kind of shit James was, wouldn't it cause concern? Wouldn't you at least have some questions to ask him?

No, I don't care about social media. And James isn't putting up anything illegal. Weird, sure. There are weird people and I personally have known people much weirder than Alefantis seems to be based off his instagram.

It's like....if half the books you own are about pedophilia, your favorite artwork is pedophilic, and you hang out with pedophiles in your spare time, YOU MIGHT BE A PEDOPHILE. You think he's just into that sort of thing for the goofs? Seems like a pretty fucking odd hobby to me...

I haven't seen him endorse pedophilia one time on his instagram. A picture of a baby with money in its mouth, with his friend calling Alefantis a hotard, is not pedophilia. A picture of a girl smiling while her arms are scotch taped (shits weaker than paper mache, yo) is not pedophilia. A picture of a doll is not pedophilia. A picture of him covered in pizza sauce in heels is not pedophilia. A picture of a dude wearing a "I <3 L'Enfant" is not pedophilia when you realize it'd about a person, the guy who designed the area. Am I missing anything?

His friend was calling him a hotard.

So you openly admit that he has nothing on his instagram that shows that he endorses pedophilia. Then what's the problem? He's weird? Lots of people are. I'm sure people think you are too. Doesn't mean anything

It doesn't make any sense at all because the person wasn't calling the baby a hotard, he was calling Alefantis a hotard.

Honestly, what makes more sense here? A person is calling a fucking baby a retarded whore because he's sexually attracted to fucking babies, and just felt the need to randomly proclaim this out of nowhere on Instagram, directly after talking to the grown ass man who posted the picture?

Or a person calling their friend an insult in jest directly after referring specifically to that friend?

It is abundantly clear that common sense would tell you which is more likely. But pizzagate does not follow common sense.

you are being extremely bias based on preconceived notions

What we have, is evidence that he's a very sick person, a sexual deviant, almost hyper sexual, and seems to make a lot of odd comments

Observe that everything you have evidence for is an opinion, and not a fact. Whether or not he's a "very sick person" is an opinion you formed. Whether or not he is a "sexual deviant" is an opinionated statement. Whether or not his comments are "odd" is, once again, solely an opinion.

Basically what you're saying is that you don't have evidence for dick except things that confirmed opinions, which you formed while looking at things and being told by the people showing you them he is a child rapist.

seems to make a lot of odd comments, that without context make no sense, but under the context of pedophilia, seem to make a lot of sense, and would be very damning.

You can bet your sweet ass that if I looked at everything you've ever said, while thinking you literally raped and murdered children on a regular basis, I would find a lot of things that don't make sense without context but seem damning as fuck if I assume that it's secret code for raping children.

You can't assume the conclusion, and then search for evidence to support it. You have to look at the evidence and form a conclusion, not have a conclusion and look for evidence.

You have to explain, logically, why this stuff is evidence for the thing you are accusing. Which you can't, with any of these things surrounding pizzagate.

You can't look at anything that people cite as "evidence" here, and say that a reasonable person could honestly deduce from this evidence, without having any preconceived notions or foregone conclusions, that James Alefantis rapes children and murders in the basement of his pizza restaurant.

All we're asking for is an investigation.

Show that there is evidence for a crime, or a rational reason to believe that a crime has taken place, and your calls for an investigation would be justified.

Otherwise you're arguing to investigate a man based on nothing but a baseless internet rumor. You're arguing for an increase in the police state.

But for some reason I can't help but feel that if you found yourself on the wrong end of a baseless internet rumor that had literally zero evidence that you've committed a crime, you'd be ecstatic for an investigation to be launched on you.

A voice of reason.

Oh what a fucking surprise you mentioned the basement thing.

THE WHOLE BASEMENT THING IS BULLSHIT CREATED BY CTR TO DISCREDIT PIZZAGATE AND DISTRACT INVESTIGATORS.

Why do you think all the "Debunk" articles focus specifically on that?

THE WHOLE BASEMENT THING IS BULLSHIT CREATED BY CTR TO DISCREDIT PIZZAGATE AND DISTRACT INVESTIGATORS.

Super weird how on this subreddit posts talking about the layout of the restaurant, and posts using Alefantis maybe false statement in whether or not the restaurant has a basement as further "evidence" for pizzagate, were highly upvoted.

I guess CTR masqueraded as people who did believe and still currently believe in pizzagate and avidly post about it.

We do have him saying "everything they said about me is true"

why did you leave off the ...... except the fucking kids part

He didn't say that. He said he didn't like kids..but that's obviously a lie

Can you explain why a pizza shop owner would be considered in the top 50 powerful people in Washington? Didn't think so..

He's not even the highest ranked restaurateur on the list. Jose Andres is 41. Why isn't he being talked about?

Also, iirc, there have been democratic events at comet pizza.

Hmm, I'll have to look into this Jose guy. Weird though that any food industry people would be ranked that high among powerful people in D.C.

Not really when you realize that these guys probably host events and/or cater for these people, develop relationships and probably get the scoop on some juicy 411 in those circles. These guys may be aware of some shady shit that goes down, but because they're on a list that GQ put together doesn't mean they're on there for raping kids.

Also, it's a list made by GQ. It's not like a census or some financially based list. It's an opinion piece.

Also also, #42 is a group of 3 party planners; Svetlana Legetic, Jayne Sandman, and Barbara Martin. Stephen goddamn Strasburg is #47, and I'm sure he has very little to nothing to do with politics. He sticks out like a sore thumb on that list and yet no one questions that one? Maybe because the list doesn't mean jack, it's an opinion piece and doesn't implicate anyone in anything.

Just remember, Stephen Strasburg, pitcher for the Washington Nationals, is ranked higher than Alefantis. A baseball pitcher.

What you need to realize is anyone who believes in pizza gate is either a pedophile or considering being a pedophile , they are just trying to normalize by drawing attention away from themselves claiming they are "investigating" when really they are glorifying and romanticizing their mental illness , sick desire and past actions .

Pedogeddon!

You should call it what it is, Fake News. There is definitely pedophilia in D.C. among the folks in power, but an Egyptian immigrant who owns a pizza shop isn't part of it. Nor is/was Alefantis running a pedophile ring in his pizzareia.

Link to anything mentioning sculpture?

So child porn made it onto Instagram?

When you claimed that it's "actual" do you mean it's a drawing/artwork or real picture, as in taken with a camera?

"Trying", how are you trying? "Trying" and reporting are two different things.

Do you understand that these social media companies may log stuff that the users do and deleted items may just be marked as private, as is the case for facebook?

I see. You are using a new account because you are worried that your real account would be tied to Pizza Gate, and you would let a crime that you claim to be really against go without a report because of "reality".

So you chicken out at the last minute, even when it's just to report wrongdoing to the authorities, and are only capable of acting indignant online.

Quite laughable.

Just search for screenshots of his Instagram.

You might not be able to view his account now, but there are plenty of screen grabs of the weird stuff he likes.

To me, Pizzagate represents the destruction of reasoning. There is nothing to it but a long string of speculation. It represents the takeover of skepticism by people with no respect for logic, reasoning, and truth.

On o e level, we know this shit they are looking for is going on out there and has been caught and prosecuted, but so much of Pizza Gate is poorly connected things that just don't get proven in any way.

Here are some examples:

• Alefinas / Achilles - because some guy on anDNS registration for has the same last name
• Kill room / park / tunnels / vivisection table.
• Things "tied to" this or that - tied to and linked to are weasel words for weak minds.
• Hawaii hot dog stand with dirty buckets allegedly used to dissolve bodies in acid
• lost alien civilization in Antarctica
• David Seaman selling T shirts and having a long history of trying to exploit sensationalism for profit

This whole thing represents a 4chan level of trolling and hoaxing at every turn, but there are a lot of people who are Johnny come lately to the scene who don't respect logic, don't understand what proof is, and just believe whatever they are fed.

I tried make #PedoFiles catch on for a little while, but Pizzagate was already too established by then.

I'm not sure it's sensible to change it at this point though. Pizzagate is an innocent enough sounding term that you can conceivably bring it up in casual conversation. As soon as you say Pedo-something, people block their ears, trying to forget such pieces of shit as childfuckers are even exist.

In that sense, the innocuous term pizzagate is pretty useful in terms of keeping the conversation going in the public mind without everyone turning away immediately. I mean, they still turn away and laugh mostly, but this way they will at least keep making light of this "silly theory", whereby keeping the conversation going regardless of their opinion on it.

You're right that Pizzagate goes waaay beyond Comet Ping Pong and pizza code, it might as well be called Haitigate or Silsbygate or Clintongate or any of a number of things, and it would still not adequately describe the scope of the scandal we're trying to unveil.

I kinda think it's our best option to make it clear that pizzagate is a citizen investigation of a global human trafficking network hinted at withing the Podesta emails is our best approach to keept the conversation sidetracked by Alefantis-defenders.

if you bring up pizzagate in a conversation most people will look at you like you are a crazy wackado

This has been brought up many times. I don't think P!33@g@te is going anywhere. The name doesn't change the evidence at hand. It's a blanket term that also encompasses Satanism, child sacrifice, organ harvesting etc.

Drop the gate stuff altogether. It's cheap, generic..unprofessional. It's a media coin-term from an incident that took place likely before you were born--at a place you've likely never been. Much like this Berkley nonsense, there is a reason people cling to things like those. Because they/you feel small. We've heard tales of previous wars, cultural uprisings, notable scandals, etc; and part of your brain fools you into thinking that latching on to things of the past, in this particular way, will make you/we relevant far into the future. Let the evidence (if it exists) stand for itself. If it's a serious matter, treat it so in every regard.

Anything otherwise damages credibility and is a shortcut at the least.

Release yourself from the convoluted, weak conclusion you've already arrived at.

How would this sub get all this content if people were doing this

I find it sort of harmless when we're entertaining broad specualtions about batshit theories, or legitimate past events that have never been 'solved'. A bit different when we're throwing very serious accusations around involving kids, business people, people's families, etc. All of which is in real time. I'm not saying that everything the potentially fits under 'pizzagate' should remain off-limits for 50 years. I'm saying to be very measured in how it progresses and how it is presented--stressing that proponents have something adequate and remember that the burden is upon them to prove their end result. It's not my job or anyone else's to disprove something which is speculation. Not only is this largely impossible, but it's a stupid expectation all the way around. This is serious stuff and it's about time it were treated as such, true or false. I don't care how many people gather and scream about it. That's not evidence. That's screaming.

The sub has ample subjects, to ponder lots of theories. While entertaining, a rock is still a rock. Don't try to shove nonsense down people's throat and attack them for looking at it sensibly.

Pizzagate may be real, in full. I have no idea. If so, that truth will NEVER be realized the way 'the internet' is going about it.

Buh buh but what about the kill room and the guy who makes kids caskets, and the guy on the roof spying on kids in the park before they abduct them and murder them in the kill room then go listen to a weird band and stare at weird art. Chicken lover

I find it incredibly refreshing to see grounded people with a proper understanding of strategy and epistemology drop into this subreddit every once in a while. There's practically nothing that guarantees you won't be castigated for it, still you make the effort.

If others catch on to this fundamental leap the quality of discussion will improve, albeit slowly.

I've spent many years investigating certain historical events I was interested in. I spent very large amounts of time and effort then. I never saw a widespread adoption of best research practices, which could have prevented so much aberration and fruitless diversion. Things have further declined since then. "Pizzagate" combines everything that could possibly go wrong in this regard into one topical collective. It is, frankly, a case study in error; nearly resulting in actual physical harm. I appreciate your efforts, but I'm skeptical it is possible to effectively reach out to politically deeply polarized conspiracy-theorizing lynch mobs and turn them into productive investigative journalists. But again, hats off to your effort, engagement and positivity.

People already call it Pizzagate, we need to stick with that. Yes, this is global, but when we're bringing in every single aspect of pedophilia, then we're just talking about child trafficking. Pizzagate is rather different. Especially if these implications are true (satanism). I wouldn't change the name. It doesn't matter what we call it, as long as we stick with the name that has traction. Pizzagate is a lot more friendly and intriguing than satanicpedogate.

the name is really ineffective. it took me like 2 weeks before i knew what the hell it was even though i was seeing the term everywhere.

If you change the name from #pizzagate then the media loses the huge black eye from the cover up it was actively involved in.

Pizzagate was a term they latched onto because they had predictively programmed us to think it was nothing of concern because the first time they used the term

PIZZAGATE

was when Bill DeBlasio ate NY style pizza with a fork instead of folding it and eating it sideways like a taco

Im gonna venture to say most people have no clue about Bill DeBlasio and no one thinks bill deblasio when they hear pizzagate

You don't have to think of it. It's subconsciously encoded in your brain already.

That plus if you watched the daily show, the comedienne from 3rd rock had someone come out in a vagina outfit with a pizza attached where the actor's real vagina would be.

That wasn't so much a sketch as it was an occult ritual to mock you and prep you for impact of the 2nd pizzagate

The first i had heard of Bill Deblasio is when someone posted on TD that he was the first thing to come up when you search PG.

Guaranteed that if you created a post on FB and asked who Bill Deblasio is youd get crickets.

Could we please keep the word Satanist out of this? First it makes everyone seem like end-time evangelical nut jobs. Two, it's inaccurate. There's no proof they practice the ACTUAL religion that's known as Satanism (created by Anton Lavey).

Occultist would be much better, but even that has connotations that might not fit completely.

Pisoghazi

Pedofiles was another one

So we aren't allowed to discuss "pizzagate" on Reddit. For some reason. Ok, odd.

You are literally discussing pizzagate on Reddit right now. You pizzagaters have such a persecution complex.

if you go back in time, someone posted this when the story was first starting to break here around Nov the 8th if my memory serves me right.

he warned of this exact thing you are talking about, by saying PIZZA GATE LETS THEM OFF THE HOOK, because it doesn't sound serious.

He was right.

Pizzagate has worked so far. I'd keep using it.

and kill rooms, spirit cooking and baby caskets.

It obviously should have been called Pedogate. I said that months ago.

humantrafficking imo

And finally people are starting to understand the point ive been trying to make for months.

PizzaGate is classic misdirection psyops. The donnies and the right wing nuts bought it hook line and sinker and completely discredited a real problem with wild innuendo, baseless claims, with witch hunts and a stupid fucking name.

PizzaGate will never be taken seriously. Call it what it is ..... A HUGE FUCKING PROBLEM WITH THE ELITES CALLED PEDOPHILIA.

The great thing about the name pizzagate though is every where you go you see pizza shops and are reminded of it.

It's marketing genius.

Why do you think they fight this so hard and not "illuminatti pedophile rings"

Because you can ignore the illuminatti. You can't ignore pizza.

There's going to be arrests starting next week a few dozen I believe. There's and FBI Insider on 4chan who announced it.