People need to realise Reddit is a business. Businesses are run to make money and will do things that make them money.

Negative Trump articles bring in the dolla not only do you get people who hate Trump getting in on it, you get Trump fans coming to defend him.

The site is ran by the CEO for the cash money no more no less.

In the world of business the 'right' thing to do is to make the most cash possible.

I also get the impression the owners/CEO are scared shitless of having a hit piece against them in the mainstream media ala pewdiepie.

need just one mod to grow a conscience and show mod logs

Reddit's ownership is also kind of telling.

Look into the Newhouse family and advance publications. They are the money behind reddit, The New Yorker, Vogue, GQ, etc.

They are not in their position because they have always done 'the right thing'. Notice how the most succesful people and powerful CEOs are psychopaths or sociopaths. They haven't got to their position by being nice and fair. They are there 'cos they have ruthlessly taken advantage of people and circumstances.

It's the system that's corrupted. When the system is corrupt, those who rise to the top of the system are most likely not squeaky clean.

The 'right' thing in America is making top dollar for the shareholders.

If it was about money then the Pizzagate sub wouldn't have been removed and spez would not have blatantly edited posts without notification. And if this site was a normal site, about money, there would have been some sort of repercussion with that. There was zero. This site is here for one reason. To make it seem like the right is a small minority to those who come here.

They will get less clicks from me, for one....

But here you are. Did you also protest Starbucks by buying their $5 coffee and make them write Trump on the side?

I would disagree that the manipulation is all about the Benjamins. If it was wouldn't they just allow it to operate naturally keeping the actual most popular items at the front instead of force feeding material that that actually isn't popular but fringe topics? I think the manipulation has more to do with an agenda than straight up ad revenue. That agenda may lead to more income in a round about way but it wouldn't make sense to have all this manipulation to increase viewer count.

Exactly. Look at all the subs that are basically just ads.

Reddit only makes around $10 million in profit though.

Has reddit really got to the point of allowing shills to control the narrative?

Welcome to 2015

It should be illegal to artificially push narratives on social media sites, its a threat to our social integrity.

We cant put laws on everything, we have to expect more out of ourselves and others. But for arguments sake, who would you choose to be the narrative police?

Not who you responded to, but chiming in here...

We cant put laws on everything

We can put laws on advertising and restrictions on marketing, and we've successfully done so in the past. And for argument's sake, the "narrative police" would be enforceable legal repercussions.

We have to expect more out of ourselves and others, but at the moment there are no negative consequences that one faces for artificially pushing information into the social media narrative.

Notice that I did not say that there should be consequences for pushing artificial information, as that is our first amendment right to say whatever we want, wherever we want, even if we know it's bullshit.

But there could be consequences for "artificially pushing" that information. Vote manipulation, comment-bots, native advertising... we could regulate and restrict those types of actions, IF (big, bold "if") we had a government that was in any way interested in legislating in the interests of the people.

Currently, we do not have that, thus we can be assured that any legislation that attempts to control the flow of information on the internet, or other media outlets, will be beneficial solely to the corporate interests that currently own and operate our government.

My concern is that laws like that would only be used on people like us, and wouldn't actually be used on establishment political operators. Like many of the other laws.

Thus the big, bold IF.

Yeah, I suppose I was sort of re-stating your point. But even if we did have a government that at the time felt that way, it would probably get used in to bolster existing power by a later administration.

Exactly, in the grand scheme of things this can be broaden to election vote fraud which of course illegal. So looking at social media we see that it was intended for users to up-vote, like and share certain articles or comments and it should remain as such.

In 2016, America has 11.1 million unauthorized/illegal immigrants.

Of those, 3.1 million live in states with ID requirements to vote (AZ/GA/KA/KS/IN/MS/ND/OH/TN/TX/WI), which leaves 8.0 million possible unauthorized adult voters.

Of those, 12.6% are unauthorized children, which leaves 7.0 million possible unauthorized adult voters.

Let's assume (as Trump does) that 100% voted Clinton and 0% had rejected ballots.)

Therefore, according to Trump, between 42.9% and 71.4% of unauthorized adults -- who live in utter fear that authorities will notice them -- registered and voted fraudulently. (Whereas just 58% of Americans voted.) And not a single one was reported for doing so: there were just four verified cases of voter fraud this election -- three of them for Trump.

And perhaps more importantly: After orchestrating the illegal votes of 3-5 million adults, Democrats forgot to put them in Wisconsin, Michigan, or Pennsylvania.

TLDR: 3-5 million illegal votes sounds really plausible, Mr. Trump.

This bot is bad.

Are voting system is broken, no one knows how many illegal aliens are actively living in the US if you did do a true consensus you would have to assume many would not let anyone know they were living here illegally.

No one knows in how many illegal aliens voted in states with soft ID laws.

No one investigates any of these counties when they commit mass voter fraud for example look at Broward County FL.

No one investigated the voting machines tied to George Soros.

Our voting system is broken.

Well thought out response. Id maybe argue about how successful we have been in putting laws and restrictions on advertising, but you already acknowledge half of my argument. That most of the laws or restrictions benefit corporate interests. The other part is that the more restrictions we put on advertising, the more creative they get. An example would be product placement in movies and entertainment. My argument is this advertising is even more effective because many of us don't even realize we are being subjected to an ad. We let down the normal filters or guard that we would have in place when being subjected to a regular commercial.

I have no faith that in a capitalist country that our government will ever put the peoples interest in front of a corporations. That is why my solution is to educate consumers and put peer pressure on ad execs and marketing companies.

That is why my solution is to educate consumers and put peer pressure on ad execs and marketing companies.

I absolutely agree with this. I just didn't agree with the implication that the onslaught of internet brigading isn't something that could be addressed legislatively. It absolutely can be, and I believe that it should be, but unfortunately, our government is made up of corporate puppets. Until that is resolved, I question the intentions and motives of any and every piece of legislation flowing through DC.

Reddit could sue shill groups like CTR for tortious interference but they choose not to.

I'm not sure it should be illegal, just ask your sell though, who owns reddit?

Hint it's a C word

The laws that made propaganda illegal were repealed under Obama. We could bring them back.

we had propaganda before those laws were put in place. I don't think they changed anything

That was because we had insider, same-team presidential candidates, over and over again. Maybe if there was, say, some outsider with brass balls and a willingness to take on insurmountable odds and the elite both, he would start prosecuting them and things would change a little.

I have a bad feeling you think Trump is this mythical outsider that will take on the elite and the establishment. That would be nice, but all signs point to no.

Disagree. The opposition he faces, and the opposition everyone who supports him faces, in the established media, in established national politics, and in the establishment worldwide, indicates that nobody serious expected him to win, and they're quite unhappy.

If he was truly opposed by the establishment, he would not have won the Republican nomination so easily.

When John McCain and Hillary Clinton are both against you, when George Soros and the Koch brothers are both against you... you're outside. When Paul Ryan spends the last month declaiming you so that the opposition party has the win, you're outside.

And it was a huge, overwhelming wave of fed-up Republicans that made him the nominee. Luckily, Republicans don't have a superdelegate system, or it never would have happened.

Its a game of distraction. Ryan and McCain speak out publicly about him, but watch as they pass everything he presents to them.

And Hillary? They have the same circle of friends. Remember when he was going to lock her up? What happened?

Nah... these people are all idiots, they couldn't conspiracy their way out of a paper bag without a fully controlled media. They wouldn't be able to keep it a secret, nor could they act.

Case in point: Estab. Republicans utterly dragging their feet and worrying sick to a media audience about repealing Obamacare, or tax cuts. They do NOT want to do this, they will resist it every step of the way.

to the extreme

That would be nice, but all signs point to no.

Or they point to his relative lack of control. If Washington is run by a single team playing both sides, you can be sure the outsider will take the greatest heat. In theory, he's fighting the left-leaning bureaucracy while being weighed down by advisers hand-picked for him by the GOP establishment.

maybe but there's been a seismic shift since 2012

That's the point of laws lol. Tragedy of the commons. The only thing you can expect out of humanity is that someone will do something somewhere that fucks everything up for everyone else.

I see laws and morals/ethics as two different things. There are certain laws that are morally or ethically ok to break. And just because you follow the law to the letter does not make you a moral or ethical person.

The sites don't have any competition, that's the problem.

Obama actually legalized it.

They've been doing it in the real world for decades.

The Department of Defense was doing it illegally. Then they changed the law to make it legal.

It should be illegal to artificially push narratives on social media sites, its a threat to our social integrity.

The bigger threat is the MSM pushing narratives.

I'm with you, I try to ignore any political subreddits and just stick to hobby ones, with occasional visits to here and r/worldnews.

Every other subreddit is just REEEEEEEEE Lena Dunham REEEEEE

So people having a political opinion is now evidence of shilling?

No, but espousing said political opinion on an internet forum day in/day out is "shilling" for free.

Either way, their goal is to dominate the discussion with their political opinions. Some people don't realize they could be getting paid for that shit.

"shilling" for free

That's an oxymoron.

Do you have a term for 'shilling for free' that we can use? Troll? Propagandist?

It's called 'expressing an opinion'.

That's no fun.. and not a noun

If a group of folks make a youtube video, and then they all use their reddit accounts to control the narrative in a thread promoting that video without disclosing their involvement on the project, that's shilling.

Nobody got paid for it, but it's shilling. Shilling for free.

relevant username (jk)

If i accidentally wonder out of r/conspiracy I get really freaked out by all the loonies. Only half-joking

At least people will agree with you half the time here like in the real world.

It's not solely funded by Islamic terrorists - in fact I think it would be less than 25%

Who else?

Reddit combined with Twitter to enforce their new policies at the same time. It's quite the racket

Use filters for /r/all or just use your own personal front page, should be able to cut down on a lot of the spam

When I can't go to r/news, r/worldnews, or r/politics because they are filtered; that's problem.

It's on a website where the majority of users have always been liberal, and there is a president currently in office who 1. Is extremely controversial and 2. Has done a lot to make people upset, combine all of those and yes, there will be plenty of anti-trump news being upvoted

Inb4 you get called a shill and are downvoted because you break the narrative OP has in his head

Shills are real. Your denial is laughable. There are shills literally all over Reddit pushing various agendas, and yeah, plenty of them are pushing this anti-trump spam all over. If you took the slightest glance at these myriad new subs they're constantly creating to spam r/all, it's EXTREMELY clear that it's astroturf.

And before any of you tries trolling me, Trump is a scumbag piece of shit, fraudster, misogynist, bigot, etc. You don't have to be a blind Trumpeter to hate astroturf.

I'm sure there are shills/bots on this site, but it's not hard to realize that an unpopular president is hated on an already liberal site. I remember when Obama was up for reelection it was constant spam that was pro-Obama and plenty that were anti-Romney. If Romney had won it would have been a ton of anti Romney shit, just like it is now with trump except Trump is even more disliked than Romney was

That makes me think, Romney would've been so much better than Trump. He should've ran this year.

I personally think there are different factions of shills. Pro-democrat, pro-Republican, pro-Trump, ro-Russia, etc.

Tucansam is one of them. One of their best and brightest. He shows up in all these threads. Very passionate about these topics.

Why not engage him and if your positions are grounded in reason and not blind ideologue logic, then you should be able to make him look foolish. Calling someone a "shill" is just using a "get out of debate free" card and it's reminiscent of a SJW that calls someone a racist for criticizing Islam. It's the epitome of anti-intellectualism.

You're welcome to check through my posting history, yeah I call out shit I think is dumb or hypocritical, but I'm not some ~spooky~ shill that you're so afraid of

This is revisionist. Reddit wasn't "left leaning" until soon before Obama did his AMA. The core ideologies were open source, pro tech, pro individual liberties. Reddit had a huge boner for Ron Paul for years and libertarianism had a stronghold on this site well before the Democrats.

They did circlejerk hard about Ron Paul but once it became just Obama against Romney it changed. Definitely more of a left leaning on social issues type libertarian though

Maybe the problem is with you.

I'm trying to upvote this but it is showing 0 votes on all these new threads. Is anyone else having this problem?

Yep, I am having the same problem. Do I laugh or cry?

Last nite I was trying to post and it wouldn't let type anything. Only in this sub. Really weird

Has reddit really got to the point of allowing shills to control the narrative? I get that Trump doesn't seem to be making great decisions but i doubt people are going to post all day every day without some kind of financial or ulterior motive. I am also sure that this happens in a much wider scope than merely anti-Trump posting.

I'm really curious what you think of r/the_donald. Do you think they're pure of heart, or are they shills too?

In a recent poll, 46% of Americans said they want to impeach Trump--and it's not even clear that he's done anything impeachable yet.

Why is it so hard for you to believe that people don't like the most disliked President in history? (that is, based on disapproval rating one month into his term)

This X100 - A LOT of Americans simply don't like Trump. He lost the popular vote by 3 million people.

When something like that happens, you're going to have a lot of unhappy people who will not shut up. This will be amplified on places like Reddit, because the loudest voices are always the ones you hear.

A LOT of Americans simply love Trump. He could have perhaps won the popular vote if illegal aliens are taken out of the equation.

When something like that happens, you're going to have a of unhappy people who will not shut up about how only citizens have a right to vote, it will only be amplified on places like /r/the_donald because it's squelched on the majority of other subs.

He could have perhaps won the popular vote if illegal aliens are taken out of the equation.

I like how you're boldly repeating Trump's sourceless crybabying as fact.

Did Trump also have the biggest inauguration of all time and win the electoral college by more than anyone since Reagan? Is the murder rate higher than it's ever been, as the president stated despite statistical data saying the exact opposite? Was unemployment at 40% during Obama's administration? Are women allowed to get abortions the day before the baby is due?

How many of Trump's alternative facts do you believe?

Do you believe no illegal aliens voted?

it's not a matter of "belief", it is a matter of fact that there is no evidence to support the claim that 5 million of them voted illegally as the president has stated. Which is what we are talking about right now.

Moving the goalpost from "5 million illegal votes" to "literally 1 illegal vote", as you just did, distracts from the ridiculousness of Trump's comment which you yourself just admitted that you believed was true.

In 2016, America has 11.1 million unauthorized/illegal immigrants.

Of those, 3.1 million live in states with ID requirements to vote (AZ/GA/KA/KS/IN/MS/ND/OH/TN/TX/WI), which leaves 8.0 million possible unauthorized adult voters.

Of those, 12.6% are unauthorized children, which leaves 7.0 million possible unauthorized adult voters.

Let's assume (as Trump does) that 100% voted Clinton and 0% had rejected ballots.)

Therefore, according to Trump, between 42.9% and 71.4% of unauthorized adults -- who live in utter fear that authorities will notice them -- registered and voted fraudulently. (Whereas just 58% of Americans voted.) And not a single one was reported for doing so: there were just four verified cases of voter fraud this election -- three of them for Trump.

And perhaps more importantly: After orchestrating the illegal votes of 3-5 million adults, Democrats forgot to put them in Wisconsin, Michigan, or Pennsylvania.

TLDR: 3-5 million illegal votes sounds really plausible, Mr. Trump.

3-5 million illegal votes sounds really plausible, Mr. Trump.

Because of how ridiculous Trump supporters can be, it was not readily apparent that this was sarcastic at first. Even now I'm only like 80% sure. Even though everything you said points to Trump's statement being insanely implausible, a Trump supporter could look at that exact same information and say it all but guarantees that he was right.

You should use '/s' to denote sarcasm

Of those, 3.1 million live in states with ID requirements to vote (AZ/GA/KA/KS/IN/MS/ND/OH/TN/TX/WI), which leaves 8.0 million possible unauthorized adult voters.

You still have to register, man. In CA, for example, that requires a DL or ID, and an SSN.

You can get IDs here as an illegal. And come on down here to Alvarado street to buy a SSN on the DL. Shit's fucked.

Yeah and they have to be verified when you register, and you're risking deportation & worse when you do. What do you think happens when you try to register to vote with a stolen SSN? They don't wink and hand you a fucking Democratic ballot

Wrong, no one has investigated to find out how many illegals voted.

Also this is the Conspiracy sub, how do you feel about Soros being involved with any voter machines?

How do you feel about voter fraud that wasn't investigated ex: Broward County in FL.

Are voting system is broken.

In 2016, America has 11.1 million unauthorized/illegal immigrants.

Of those, 3.1 million live in states with ID requirements to vote (AZ/GA/KA/KS/IN/MS/ND/OH/TN/TX/WI), which leaves 8.0 million possible unauthorized adult voters.

Of those, 12.6% are unauthorized children, which leaves 7.0 million possible unauthorized adult voters.

Let's assume (as Trump does) that 100% voted Clinton and 0% had rejected ballots.)

Therefore, according to Trump, between 42.9% and 71.4% of unauthorized adults -- who live in utter fear that authorities will notice them -- registered and voted fraudulently. (Whereas just 58% of Americans voted.) And not a single one was reported for doing so: there were just four verified cases of voter fraud this election -- three of them for Trump.

And perhaps more importantly: After orchestrating the illegal votes of 3-5 million adults, Democrats forgot to put them in Wisconsin, Michigan, or Pennsylvania.

TLDR: 3-5 million illegal votes sounds really plausible, Mr. Trump.

Wrong, no one has investigated to find out how many illegals voted.

You're simultaneously saying "more than half of all illegals in the country voted exclusively for Hillary Clinton illegally and not a single one of them got caught" and when pressed with the fact that you have literally zero evidence to support this, you say "Well no one really knows..."

That's not how it works. That is not how basic logic works. If you have a claim that seems outlandish, you need evidence to verify its truthfulness.

You can't say that the lack of evidence one way or the other means that it's equally likely for this outlandish thing you're claiming to be true or not true.

Basic logic dictates that outlandish claims must be assumed to be false unless there is credible evidence supporting said claim. Assuming outlandish shit is true despite lack of evidence guarantees that you believe a lot of ridiculously false things to be true.

I never claimed any number of illegals voted, I claim the fact are system is broken and we have no idea how many illegals voted, could be 1, might be millions, no one has any clue. Our system is broken.

He could have perhaps won the popular vote if illegal aliens are taken out of the equation.

Literal Translation: illegal aliens voted, and so many of them voted that it's possible for Trump's 3 million voter deficit to have been made up by them.

I claim the fact are system is broken and we have no idea how many illegals voted

Saying "I don't know for certain" doesn't mean that every single possibility is equally likely.

Saying "It could have been no illegal aliens voting, it could have been 5 million of them" puts each of those statements on an equal standing when we know for a fact that they are not. Even if illegal aliens voting was rampant, which there is no evidence for, it would still be ridiculously unlikely that their amount of votes would be that high.

If you apply basic logic to your thinking, you would be able to assign probabilities to things you don't know and determine whether they are likely or unlikely. And if something is ridiculously unlikely, and you have no evidence to support it at all, then basic logic dictates that you originally assume it to be false.

Continue to believe no voter fraud or illegal aliens voted.

Continue to believe in whatever Papa Trump tells you to be true, even if it's contrary to what facts, or basic critical thinking skills an elementary schooler understands, would tell you.

Yeah it is completely inconceivable that voter fraud isn't rampant in our elections. Keep believing whatever Mama CNN tells you to be true.

Smells like a false equivalence to me. On the one side, you have Trump's own words, and on the other there's a logical argument.

If he was repeating fake news, it'd be fair. But you're just giving up on discussion and throwing out disinfo.

There is zero evidence of illegals voting, which is why we must start an investigation into illegals voting!

Continue to believe no voter fraud or illegal aliens voted.

Yes

He could have perhaps won the popular vote if illegal aliens are taken out of the equation.

This has been extensively, exhaustively debunked. There were FOUR verified fake votes for president. 3 were for Trump.

Continue to believe no voter fraud or illegal aliens voted.

Because it should be obvious to anyone that its all fabricated outrage, that if one takes a completely objective look at what Trump has done and said so far, there is nothing near worthy of the outrage he has been reaching.

This is exactly like the fringe community who, when Obama was elected, screamed non-stop about how he'll establish a socialist caliphate. Now this once fringe group has spread and become mainstream, with all the backing from the establishment, the entertainment industry and the MSM. The new message is that Trump's a fascist who will establish a totalitarian state where minorities are sent off to the gas chambers.

He lost the popular vote by 3 million, he tweets controversial stuff constantly, never apologizes, him and his administration blatantly lie, he instituted immigration Ban, etc etc. It's not really a surprise that people don't like him

What lies?

Bowling Green Massacre and Atlanta Terror Attack are two very easy ones.

Why isn't the media reporting on Bowling Green? ^{No, it's not real.}

You again? Get out the PeanutButter..

It's just so good...

The inauguration for one, the size of the crowd, the weather that was there. He recently claimed he had the biggest electoral college win since Reagan, which is a lie. His administration lied about The "Bowling Green Massacre" and Atlanta. That's off the top of my head

#NeverRemember the Bowling Green massacre. ^{No, it's not real.}

People still aren't aware of how he was right about the crowd size? Wow.

Explain with evidence how he was right about the crowd. And noticed you ignored all the other lies

http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2017/01/politics/trump-inauguration-gigapixel/

Zoom in on the crowd. It is completely full. The photos presented to you by the media showed two different times. Obama's photo was taken during the speech while Trump's was taken hours before his speech. There were also gates shut down due to protesters which led to a slower fill up of the site.

No one is saying that there weren't a lot of people there, just that there were less people than Obamas, which is okay. That shot you linked does not show the overhead view which clearly shows it was not the most attended inaguaration.

And that's alright, D.C. is liberal, and it was raining, as well as Obama was the first black president so of course his inaguaration had a ton of people. That's why people don't understand why Spincer/Trump/his diehards like you continue to blatantly lie. It's okay to admit it

And what makes you say Atlanta is a cesspool and how exactly is that related to Trumps administration lieing about a terrorist attack there?

He didn't say that. Spicer did and later said he miss spoke and meant Orlando. I assumed you meant Trump's remarks regarding John Lewis needing to take care of his district.

Even then his district isn't a shithole at all. And who do you think tells Spicer what to say? Or Conway? It comes down from Trump.

Also his recent comments on Sweden, or his repeated lie about the murder rate being the highest in decades, saying Americans don't care about his tax returns, or that terrorist attacks in Europe in America don't even get reported anymore.

That's just from his time so far in office, he had plenty more lies throughout his campaign. It's okay to admit he's a liar :-)

Sweden is rioting right now. 36 grenade attacks last year. Highest rape in all of Europe. Swedish press and government hiding all of it. They were literally giving money to ISIS. You are being lied to by the media.

The latest report shows 800,000 illegals voted last election. Those were just the ones who admitted to it in the study. At least 2 million illegals are registered to vote.

Are we going to hold Obama accountable for every time his administration miss spoke?

Sweden is not rioting right now wtf lmao. They have one going in yeah, but maybe you're being lied to by alt-right media bud. And link the report, IIRC I know the one you're talking about and it was a highly flawed study that was criticized by other researchers. And yes absoutely hold them accountable, however they are not the ones that made up terrorist attacks.

All of this is moving the goal posts, they lied, he lied, you can do whatever mental gymnastics you want but Trump is a known liar.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/770050/Sweden-doing-well-PM-insists-police-shot-rioters-Stockholm-suburb

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So? Trump still lied. The night before there was no attack like Trump implied. That is lieing

Don't forget the Sweden lie as well.

wat lie?

The terrorist attack that didn't happen.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/770010/Police-shoot-rioters-violence-erupts-no-go-zone-PM-denies-Sweden-crisis

yeah they are fine no worry

Yes, but there wasn't anything at the time.

He still lied lol, he even admitted on Twitter that he got his info from Fox news. And Sweden has a very high standard of living compared to most countries in the world

Based on what videos I have seen I doubt they will keep their high standards when they have cavemen running amok.

If we are judging a country about one riot in a bad part of the country then you could call every country a shithole

nah im judging them on their stupidity of letting in rape culture

ROFL

Exactly, it's not incomprehensible he's disliked. THERES A REASON WHY. For example, picking oligarchs for his cabinet.

This is exactly like the fringe community who, when Obama was elected, screamed non-stop about how he'll establish a socialist caliphate.

Oh come the fuck on. Were you around in 2009? There wasn't a "fringe" community against Obama--there was a much-hyped "Tea Party" movement that lit up Congressional town halls the summer after Obama was in office--and his approval rating was significantly better than Trump's at that point.

Don't pretend that conservatives were nice and polite while O was in power. Likewise, most of the shit you'll see on Trump that his r/all is stuff he actually said or did, not morbid fantasies.

if one takes a completely objective look at what Trump has done and said so far, there is nothing near worthy of the outrage he has been reaching.

wut.

The dude has made up three terrorist attacks, filled cabinet posts with anti-science creationists, Goldman Sachs VIPs, and generally insane people. He's lied about his links to Russia. 70% of his statements are verified to be false. He's actively removing laws that keep corporations from destroying the environment. etc. etc. etc.

If anything, there isn't enough outrage.

There was an about face on the r/politics sub - it went from proBernie to proClinton and antiTrump/antiBernie like overnight back around memorial day. It was around the time that funding for Control the Record, CtR, came through.

CtR has now transitioned into ShareBlue, still run by David Brock.

Reddit is infiltrated by many paid-for shills running many bots to spam the system and scream antiTrump rhetoric.

/r/politics has never been anti-Bernie

when it was full shill for Clinton it sure was antiBernie! It flipped suddenly from pro to anti

You're greatly oversimplifying the situation. The Bernie or Bust sentiment was looked down upon, but people didn't magically fall in love with Clinton. I've explained this elsewhere, but people loved Sanders and hated Clinton, but they hated Trump more. I can tell by your verbiage that you frequent an echo chamber. It's said that you can't reason someone out of a position that they didn't reason themselves into - don't be one of these people.

It's sad that you clearly were not on r/politics when the flip occurred. I was. It was sudden. People do not act that way - unless paid.

Except I was. I know that there were shills involved, but I also know that it's logical for most Sanders supporters to swap to Hillary when faced with the choice between her and Donald Trump. I don't know why you're completely discounting this option. I truly do not know how to simplify it either.

As I've said elsewhere, there is a logical explanation for that. It makes total sense that Sanders supporters, when given a choice between Trump and Clinton, shifted to Clinton. Their differences in policy makes this a logical explanation. There was definitely some shilling going on, no doubt about it, but don't act surprised when a mostly left leaning subreddit opted for the more left leaning candidate.

Sorry, you cannot rewrite history, no matter the pay.

...are you being serious? You don't see the logic in choosing the candidate that most fits your views towards policy? I've already acknowledged that shills were an issue, but you're really ignoring common sense? Do you believe that Sanders supporters would all naturally support Trump?

So...Sanders supporters suddenly began to hate him and suddenly loved Clinton who they had strongly disliked? Overnight?

Nobody buys your lies and propaganda.

Where was there ever Sanders hate on that sub? Sure, there was hostility against "Bernie or bust" people, half of whom seemed to be concern trolling Trump fans, but Sanders himself was still quite popular.

You're showing a fundamental lack of understanding about this past election. People didn't all of a sudden begin loving Hillary Clinton. For most people, this was an election of voting against person you hated the most. Did you think liberals would just vote for someone who had a running mate like Mike Pence? You need to take a step back and be a little objective about the situation.

Dude, the shills are here as well, in this thread. Reddit is fucked, and all your instincts are correct. Conspiracy got shilled hard recently. We all need to find a new home.

Well leading up to before the election shenanigans reddit was fairly anti-obama after he turned out to not be anything like he promised. Now all the sudden reddit is trying to convince me that Obama was the best president ever. Did people change their minds or is this a result of unnatural manipulation.

Obamas approval ratings rose as he got closer to the election, people most likely realized that while Obama wasn't that great at all he looked much better in comparison to Trump or Hillary

To me Hillary was Obama 2.0 as far as policy goes. But yes I do personally think Hillary is a much more horrible person but Obama might just be a good actor idk.

As far as policy goes I agree. But in terms of how the general public viewed them, Obama came off as squeaky clean compared to HRC

I would agree with that as well.

Reddit was never anti-Obama. They were just anti-Obama foreign policy.

So your saying reddit was never against Obama as a person it was just his policy they had problems with.

No, they liked his domestic policy, but not his foreign policy.

leading up to before the election shenanigans reddit was fairly anti-obama

What? Reddit has been overwhelmingly pro-Obama. Just look at the all time top posts on /r/all. Many of them are pro-Obama, the most upvoted post of all time is Obama's AMA. None of the top posts of all time are anti-Obama.

Top posts of all time are anomalies that don't prove general reddit consensus overall. It's not that easy of a deduction.

North-of-the-border here: It's obvious to me that there are competing propaganda machines at work.

46%

...and how many could write down the impeachment process from memory?

46%

...and how many could write down the impeachment process from memory?

How many would even know what impeachment is. Other that make orange hitler go away somehow.

Why would that even matter?

Well, r/politics was pro-bernie and anti-Hillary during the primaries (at least until CTR began to exist). Now, even on this sub every time I criticize Hillary I get derided. Doesn't make sense to me.

I was pro-Bernie and Anti-Hillary (I guess I still am). I downvote a lot of anti-Hillary comments now because they are typically abusive and absurd. T_D posters just calling her slurs and posting fake stories - I would downvote that about anyone, even Trump or Bush.

I don't come here to listen to 14 year olds circlejerk about someone who doesn't even matter much anymore.

I don't come here to listen to 14 year olds circlejerk about someone who doesn't even matter much anymore.

The Clintons have been consistently implicated in conspiracy for decades.

The idea that they magically don't matter anymore is bizzare.

Implicated in, yes, but never proven to be actually involved in large reaching sinister conspiracies. The fact that Clinton actually lost the election is a pretty good indicator that she isn't more powerful than the actual president, Trump.

Or its an indicator that because the visibility of possible rigging was so high and public sentiment spread so which she ended up being unable to nudge the victory in.

I doubt it. She would only have needed to swing a few tens of thousands of votes in Ohio, Pennsylvania and Michigan to take an electoral college victory. All three of those states have large heavily democratic cities where, if fraud were to actually occur, the required number of votes could have been conjured up. With her sizable popular vote victory, nobody would have questioned it.

That's assuming she didn't already do that and lost anyway

For what it's worth I'm a 31 year old POC female from a diverse city and I definitely don't cone from Don's sub

It should not come as a surprise that most Sanders supporters shifted to Clinton when faced with a choice between her and Trump. Looking at policy alone, this is extremely logical. There was definitely some shilling going on, but there is a logical explanation for the shift that occurred.

Really? I never shifted to Clinton. I'm in the East Bay and it was split between Clinton and Stein among the Bernie people I know.

Sure, but that's extremely anecdotal. Compare the percentages of Hillary supporters to Stein.

The obvious difference is that Reddit has actively moderated to keep r/the_donald specifically from reaching the front page by means such as specifically restricting posts from that sub that are stickied to be on the front page, and more recently to change r/all to r/popular, where "oft filtered subs (in other words T_D)" thereby do not appear to a first time or casual observer.

Do you really not understand or know any of this information, or are you just vehemently anti-Trump to the point of disregarding it as essentially justified?

T_D abused the sticky system so the admins took it away, how that falls on the admins and not on the mods of T_D makes no sense. /r/popular also has /r/ETS blocked as well as specific game subs and other subs that get filtered out a lot, it's not a conspiracy that a lot of people filter out T_D

ETS is blocked. But the countless spam of antitrump subs are not. Why bother blocking one of them if you are going to allow others doing the same thing

r/politics is not blocked either, which is another antitrump spam sub. Which is now the top sub for people that are not logged in on reddit to see anything political.

The admins didn't stop any other sub from "abusing" stickies, so yeah, it falls on the admins. Antitrump subs abuse stickies too, yet admins don't give a shit about it.

You're more than welcome to provide proof that anti-trump subs abuse the sticky system like T_D did. They had different posts stickied constantly 24/7, haven't seen another sub do that. Abuse the system to inflate vote counts and it gets taken away from you, it happens.

Weak

Great response

Why waste my time? You've got multiple posts explaining yourself.. I already know what your response would be to my response lol

Then why comment bud

Frustrating times I guess.. just needed a release ha. Thank you and my apologies good sir. Carry on

No worries my man

Some of the antitrump subs are run by t_d users.

which ones?

https://www.reddit.com/r/MarchAgainstTrump/

Ok so the fact that you have no objectivity and therefore no credibility on this issue is clear.

Thanks for pointing that out.

Everyone is biased to a degree bud, no one is exactly neutral about everything.

But do you find it hard to believe on a site that is mostly young and liberal they would not filter out a sub like T_D? You can go look at it for yourself and make your own judgement, but people tend to filter out subs that are all caps most of the time and are a self admitted circlejerk sub

No, but I find it absolutely insane that the moderators of that site would make obvious gimmicks to suppress certain opinions and support others, no matter what the opinions are. Whether or not related to Trump or pizzagate, free flow of ideas should be given a platform, not directed arbitrarily by politically motivated overlords. You'd probably feel the same way if you weren't totally blinded by your hatred for Trump.

The polls were fake during the election and they're fake now.

The agenda of the shills is to try create enough anger to impeach Trump but it's not working. No one is buying the hate.

It's so obviously fake, it just seems like they know they're tactics aren't working and they themselves are starting to get frustrated.

Yeah this has been going on since long before the election. It stopped working, for the most part, so they seem to be falling back to the classic Red vs Blue tactics. This Milo story was carefully crafted to force everyone into an unwinnable partisan argument. Just look at some of the posts on this sub right now.

The "if Milo was a liberal, X would happen" is such obvious bait, and I'm glad to see it's not getting much natural traction. This sub, and the world, will have to ride out another few psyop storms...but I still have hope that we're chipping away at this machine.

Trump is a hated person, everywhere in the world. That's why there's a lot of anti Trump posts far up on r/all. No one needs to shill for it, he does a great job at being a dislikable person himself. If anything it should be suspicious if there's a lot of pro Trump posts on r/all.

Trump really is a piece of shit and he does make it easy for people to hate his dumb, stupid ass.

But that doesn't mean that there aren't shills spamming anti-trump propaganda too. Go check out some of the dozens of brand new subs these shills keep making to spam r/all. Look through the comments and look at the activity on these subs. It's transparently astroturf.

Lol tell us how you really 'feel'

Why wouldn't concerned citizens vent their frustration online about a despot running the United States? We should be constantly reminded that Trump's conduct is no normal.

oh lord the logic. it's too much for some people.

the single sub that is best "controlling the narrative" on Reddit is T_D. As a result of them, you'll hear more about Milo and Sweden than anyone cares about. They're distracting you from the ridiculousness going on in the white house.

The only big question is why or how there are people that truly believe that CTR/Shareblue/whatever is truly controlling the narrative at this point. That's playing directly into T_D's stupid, stupid hands.

We should be constantly reminded that Trump's conduct is not normal.

It's hardly worth the uproar being raised over this. The Republic can withstand bad, weak, ineffectual, even morally corrupt leadership. The real threat is when the bureaucracy is bad, weak, ineffectual, and even morally corrupt. Which it is.

Just consider; however unusual or abnormal you find Trump, impeaching him AND ousting him would be unprecedented. You're just playing into someone's game to fan the flames. And that someone isn't Trump.

I don't know what it means to both impeach and oust someone. Oust sounds like an informal word for impeach. But I think it's totally reasonable to impeach Trump if any of the Russia-related allegations are true.

But I think it's totally reasonable to impeach Trump if any of the Russia-related allegations are true.

The word any is really vague. It calls to mind the Flynn resignation. There was nothing there; it was all just intimidation and political pressure, and the American public was left upwards of a week assuming Flynn had somehow negotiated a contract whereby Russia hacked the election.

I'm open to impeachment and ouster if the truth warrants it.

But I would want to see the evidence. If we're asked to support impeachment based on allegations, rumor, innuendo, and evidence we're forbidden from seeing because "lol natsec," I cannot support impeachment.

It's that last bit which I think is going to be the problem here, and given that the narrative is already pushing an emotional and irrational response on this, I strongly suspect we the people will never see one shred of credible proof of Trump's alleged "guilt."

The process for impeachment is very involved, and does in fact require evidence. If Trump gets impeached, we will definitely see the relevant evidence. As for Flynn, I strongly disagree that his resignation was over nothing. He flat-out lied to the Vice-President and the FBI about his contacts with Russia, and was caught red-handed doing so. I think that warrants dismissal.

He flat-out lied to the Vice-President and the FBI about his contacts with Russia, and was caught red-handed doing so.

I don't trust any Establishment figure in Trump's administration. I don't doubt that most/all of these were people the GOP forced upon him.

Source? Just because you hate Trump doesn't mean everyone in the world does.

Reddit has a young and very liberal base of users. It has always been like that and this is the first time there has been a very unpopular Republican in office and people are upset. So yeah, mix those two factors and you have reddit at the moment.

Found the shill

Isn't calling someone a shill a violation of this subs rules?

Yes and you can report him if you want. But like JonnyBueno I don't agree with you either. What is happening on reddit is definitely not natural. You can just look at how they forced T_D into the darkness and off the front page to know this is true.

All they did to T_D was not allow them to abuse the sticky system so they can skyrocket every post, that's why they aren't on /r/all as much

This guy gets it.

Wake up Tuckie

I'm woke

Nahh ;) you've got a lil ways to go still.. me too

That is just not true. That was one of the first things they did but it is not the only thing they have done. The whole algorithm for posts reaching the front page has been completely revised to nuder that sub.

Nothin he said was wrong, though. I agree that there's fuckery going on, but he is also accurate. Reddit has largely been a very young, liberal place, and we are now seeing a clash of opinions surrounding a very unpopular Republican president.

And what t_d did to allways be on the front page was natural?

It was natural in the sense that it was organic. They weren't getting any favors from the reddit algorithm. The users just all joined together and figured out how to guarantee a front page post and took advantage of it.

Only a few users were doing it.

Yeah I don't know the official percentage.

Do you notice that you make excuses for t_d but when it's politics or liberals, you assume the worst?

I stick up for t_d because like it or not they are a natural movement. A movement to me that feels like a jog in the right direction.

I don't know if you are referencing politics or the sub /r/politics but that place has devolved into an absolute cess pool. Do you see me telling users in /r/conspiracy that they need to go back to /r/politics?

What are you talking about when it's liberals I assume the worst? I have talked to some reasonable liberals and have actually learned a thing or two from those conversations. Then there is the smug, I am hyper-intellectual every Trump supporter is a retard, liberal and those people I don't have the stomach for.

If it looks like a turd and smells like a turd it's probably a turd

sure, those are the only 2 reasons.

With your username, I am sure you are a bastion of even handed posting

Well thought out reply. Good job.

He's a constant Trump hate spewer here in r/conspiracy

liberal base of users. It has always been like that

This is revisionist. Reddit wasn't "left leaning" until soon before Obama did his AMA. The core ideologies were open source, pro tech, pro individual liberties. Reddit had a huge boner for Ron Paul for years and libertarianism had a stronghold on this site well before the Democrats.

Ron Paul also appealed to young college kids though. I've been here for 9 years and I've never once noticed anything but liberal leaning ideology. Even the Ron Paul stuff was blasted after a while.

I've never once noticed anything but liberal leaning ideology

Probably because you were looking for it.

Or, you know, because that's what science calls "reality".

Le tip me fedora to u sir 9 year redditard

This made me actually lol. Thank you kind sir.

I read this in Steve Irwins voice.

Thank David Brock.

Thank me Brock

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i never ever downvote its not my place to judge your words

but some folks fancy themselves judge and executioner and downvoting is a means to censorship

Has reddit really got to the point of allowing shills to control the narrative? I get that Trump doesn't seem to be making great decisions but i doubt people are going to post all day every day without some kind of financial or ulterior motive. I am also sure that this happens in a much wider scope than merely anti-Trump posting.

Do you even understand how Reddit works? Reddit incentives corporations and money to influence it.

of course admins are in this along with the default mods. They have to appease to their masters for $$$$$.

You can hate the President all you want on the site, but any hatred of fat people, women, Jews, Christians, Muslims, Black's, Mexicans or any other group will not be tolerated. Hating white men is fine, even though they probably make up 80%of this site.

Disclaimer: I don't hate any of these groups and have never posted anything negative about a group, but I do miss /r/fatpeoplehate

There is a world of difference between posting negative remarks about the most powerful man in the country and random overweight people.

He signed up to be highly criticized and, considering the anti-Obama agenda he has been on for the last 8 years, he asked for the criticism he receives.

That is not the same as trashing an overweight person you saw on the bus.

Have you been to r/politics? They have openly called out for the death of republicans/conservatives all the time and have also called to harass trump hotels. Admins: Silence. Imagine, IMAGINE, if the_donald had done that.

Go to r/shitpoliticssays and be amazed at the violence and hatred that gets voted to the top of r/politics.

I browse it regularly, and I have never seen anything calling for the "death of republicans/conservatives" at least in any of the top-rated stuff. I mostly limit by reading to the actual links and then some of the top-rated comments on any given posts.

It's a big sub, there are bound to be a good portion of scumbags over there. And those people should obviously be banned. That's disgusting behavior.

I get your point, I just always found that sub hysterical. Not the outright making fun of overweight people, but the people defending an unhealthy lifestyle and trying to impose on others sad and funny. Like the flat earthers here, sad and funny. As far as political figures, go trash Hillary, or any prominent DNC figure, on most Reddit and you'll get downvoted like crazy and possibly banned from many subs. She also exposes herself to attacks, and was attached brutally until the DNC gave her the nomination and CTR moved into high gear. They've been censoring parts of Reddit for a long time, but CTR really turned most of Reddit into the fake news capital of the Internet.

Hating Trump = hating all white men?

I was on /r/politics just the other day in the thread where they discussed an article about progressives opposing Trump. You could tell EXACTLY which were the Brock talking points because they were all gilded. One comment was about how we shouldn't challenge Joe Manchin so as to not risk losing to a Republican. Just totally bought and paid for.

Well it just makes sense to keep Joe Manchin instead of having a republican replace him.

Holy moly this sub has gone down the shitter. Full of Berniefags now.

maybe because trump is indeed a gift to "democracy". you see before politicians made fuck up shit shot and few noticed and less cared. now is different. Mr Cheeto is also doing fucked up shit, but because his high profile and admitedly being seriously fucked in the brain, trump makes huge waves.

many, many people worldwide are actively against trump. some are for trump, specially in the states. reddit is just reflecting that these times (ie mid 2010s decade or exactly 100 after ww1) are heavy.

First two sentences are good. The rest is retarded.

Has reddit really got to the point of allowing shills to control the narrative?

No, Trump is literally one of the worst and most dangerous presidents in living memory.

He informs himself with partisan cable news while ignoring security briefings. He appointed a white supremacist as his chief adviser and lets him run the show. He has done more damage to the US's international relations in the month he has been office than we've seen in decades.

This isn't just on reddit. Anywhere you go there will be news about Trump because he is making news, and not in a positive way.

Please go back to r/politics and take your copypasta melodrama with you.

Please go back to T_D and take your copypasta melodrama with you.

Yet you have no problem with an entire subreddit devoted to shilling for him?

You have no idea what shilling is.

Exactly. As a moderate I got excited by the first sentence that OP made about not having biases, then ignores the amount of rightest bullshit on Reddit.

The issue is the growing lack of respect between left vs right around here. No intellectual discussions, just ignorant sheep based insults. No original thoughts at all.

This sub is filled with ideologues. They'd rather plug their ears and call you a shill instead of discuss a topic where you've an opinion that runs counter to theirs. You can't reason someone out of a position that they didn't reason themselves into.

It is a support sub, so what. Every candidate had one. His support has only grown since the election. What is wrong with having ONE large sub proTrump when there are dozens specifically against him; even ones that claim to be neutral like politics?

As far as shilling, you do mean the antiTrump people right? CTR is now ShareBlue.

when there are dozens specifically against him; even ones that claim to be neutral like politics

Whats the problem with having anti trump subReddit then? Most people don't like him ,

Obama Administration just spent the last eight years invading other countries and terrorizing, torturing, raping, murdering, maiming, starving, imprisoning, impoverishing, displacing and orphaning tens-of-thousands of innocent men, women & children, and rapidly escalating the conversion of the U.S. into a militant corporate police state.
Virtually nobody said anything.
Before Trump ever entered the White House there was a massive, well-funded, CIA-inclusive conspiratorial effort to tear him apart.
Some very solid signs that Trump is not on the side of the PTB.

There are quite a lot of liberals who hated Obama's foreign policy. His domestic policy was great, his foreign policy, not so much.

The Obama Administration was a pile of shit in every respect.
Nothing but a bunch of puppets for the PTB.
Also, virtually all liberals were opposed to the Obama Administration after his first term. The people who supported the Obama Administration into the second term were the MSM-brainwashed centrists & new-age fascists.
A lot of people think their I ♥ LGBT T-shirts make them liberals. They couldn't be more wrong.

Give me a few metrics on why Obama administration was a pile of shit.

Credit: /u/e-socrates

Obama legacy:

• doubled the exponentially increasing national debt to $20 trillion,

• put 1 in 6 Americans in food stamp virtual bread lines,

• another 1 in 20 on the permanent disability dole, many shunted there after Clinton's welfare reform forced this gambit on the states,

• left the US with $200 trillion in unfunded liabilities, increased wealth inequality, increased homelessness, (we have a Great Depression economy masked by printing and borrowing for now),

• destabilized the Middle East and North Africa sending waves of refugees fleeing,

• brought the US to the brink of war with Russia in Ukraine & Syria,

• made too-big-to fail banks bigger, re-inflated asset bubbles with complicity of the Fedsters, (stage is set for next crash)

• set lowest labor force participation rate in over 30 years papered over by rigged unemployment stats that call abandoned workers employed,

• saddled the young with $30,000 each student loans (average ) payable directly to Uncle Scam,

• presided over increasing murder rates in his Democrat paradise urban hell holes,

• realized reduced life expectancy in the US for the first time in centuries,

• forced citizens into economic fascism paying taxes directly to insurance CEO's,

• set repeated record trade deficits (even championing universally hated TPP) which will come back when foreign reserves buy up US assets at pennies on the dollar,

• realized virtually zero GDP growth especially using rigged CBO calculations,

• Admin destroyed the Gulf of Mexico in the worst environmental disaster ever after giving BP environmental and safety waivers

You know what I noticed in all of that? No sources at all. I'll debunk a few, but not the whole thing.

Go for it, I'm down I wanted a reality check on it too but no one responded.

No worries, I like talking about this stuff, and I also get educated and sometimes proven wrong in the process.

For sure. I know this - I AIN'T TRUST HIM! (redneck accent)

realized virtually zero GDP growth especially using rigged CBO calculations

Obama had an average of 2.1 GPD growth during his 8 years of presidency.

doubled the exponentially increasing national debt to $20 trillion Here's what The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budge has to say about it. In it, they state that yes Obama did increase the debt, but that most of it was not due to him or his policies. In it they also state the debt is going to also double within Trump's presidency if he stays for 8 years. It's a good read

put 1 in 6 Americans in food stamp virtual bread lines,

When Obama first came into office, 32 million people received SNAP benefits. Remember, right before he came into office, the great recession hit.

When he left office, there was roughly 42 million people on SNAP.

42 million/ 318 million is 13.5%. Vastly different from your one in 6 number.

Guess we should add drove Household Debt to record levels too:

Feb. 17 (UPI) -- Total U.S. household debt climbed to a near-record $12.58 trillion by the end of 2016, a Federal Reserve Bank of New York report says.

US is tapped out. Globalist oligarchs have moved on to bleed China dry.

reddit is astroturfed like a houston sport franchise. Its owned by conde (super evil) naste, the real info gets slid or shadow banned, and anyone saying anything even remotely true meets the same fate.

That is the state of reddit

There's correct the record, Israel has an extremely active social media group as well. Unfortunately many other countries and interests groups do as well....I'm sure George soros has his own too....sad but makes the people with their eyes open need to be even more vigilant and skeptical in their efforts to confirm "facts"

If Hillary were president this is how the media would treat her.

When Hillary bombs Hospitals, the media will say that terrorists had occupied the

I agree with what you are saying.

I would like to add, there are people that thoroughly enjoy posting negative stuff about trump though. I see it non stop on my Facebook feed, from people I know that are real. So while it is possible these posts are getting the upvotes naturally, we also have seen evidence they are not. Just putting this info out there.

You think the admins might be in on this? The biggest subreddit that is banned from the front page you see while logged out or at /r/popular is /r/the_donald. Mean while I have personally seen /r/hillaryclinton and /r/marchagainsttrump and /r/fuckthealtright while logged out, so those are all completely ok and are not "too narrowly focused" to be given front page access. And all the news subreddits are either getting moderated to be anti-trump or the Reddit community itself is anti-trump and up voting this way.

I get that Trump doesn't seem to be making great decisions but i doubt people are going to post all day every day without some kind of financial or ulterior motive.

Then I'm sorry but you're naive. Anything trump gets clicks and we all know how people in this website will do stupid shit simply for karma, not money, karma. Sure maybe there are a couple accounts getting paid to submit anti-trump links or a couple accounts that are doing so to gain street creed and be able to sell their account or their services to those organization paying to spread anti trump links, but I believe most anti-trump links on the top of r/all got there because people upvote that shit genuinely.

Not to mention the fact that the dude is the most hated president on recent history and doesn't even have 2 months in the white house, not to mention the fact that he lost the popular vote, not to mention the fact that most people that voted for him don't frequent this website, not to mention the fact that he has been a controversial figure for decades.

Oh, and Reddit loves drama (include me on that one) and there is no better drama than presidential drama.

TPTB are scared. They're trying to make everyone hate Trump enough to overthrow him but the shills are doing such a poor job, nothing will happen.

Make your own mind up about what you read and assume that most of the short hateful comments are fake.

Most people are over to voat these days as well.

Just because it is against your preferred narrative doesn't mean they are all shills. Trump is really fucking unpopular, especially among young people, aka people on the internet and reddit.

Literally anyone who does not agree with me is a shill!

I mean, there is significant anti-Trump sentiment, from a lot of people who frequent the Internet. Many of them didn't pay sufficient attention before the election, and are freaking out now. He's dominating the public consciousness, in a generally negative way, so why wouldn't that be reflected here? As well, Trump supporters often prefer to stay in pro-Trump areas. That's where all the pro-Trump news is.

Reddit has always pushed a narrative, that's what it's here for. They pushed atheism and good old gay marriage. Atheism was a default sub for a while and every other damn post started off with "I'm an atheist." Then they all patted themselves on the back and started a new religion based on anti-religion.

Gay marriage had it's poster boy NPH. So many top posts of pictures of him, his husband, and their kids with titles like "this is what a real family looks like" etc.... Also anything by the creepy old George Takai.

None of this is surprising if you pay attention to how they operate. They try to push their website as a community and that somehow redditors are better than others. Everyone thinks this way, if you don't there's something wrong and you must be harassed until you see things the hive minds way.

P.S. Don't forget the tranny bathroom push of 2016.

People just can't seem to accept that more people hate Donald Trump than like him.

It is quite possible the admins are in on this or at the very least aware of it and are deciding not to take action for one reason or another.

They are very much aware of it; to the point that the CEO thought it would be funny to modify user posts directly within the database, on a thread that was later used in (I recall) the Washington Post to paint an anti Trump narrative within T_D sub.

Not the only time they have tinkered with this site for their own narrative, fatpeoplehate went along with a few more subs because people are too immature to use close a tab and ignore sites/subs they do not like (ad revenue being the reasoning, good luck though considering ad block plus and similar add-ons).

Then there was the questionable events around the closure of pizzagate that I've collated a few pieces of into a short post here.

Reddit as you know it, mate, is not the same as Aaron Swartz intended on its foundation. The rest of the board are just along for the ride and we are in limbo as a viable alternative is made that can handle the web traffic (same as what happened to another site prior to Reddit, Digg).

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There is a world of difference between posting negative remarks about the most powerful man in the country and random overweight people.

He signed up to be highly criticized and, considering the anti-Obama agenda he has been on for the last 8 years, he asked for the criticism he receives.

That is not the same as trashing an overweight person you saw on the bus.

Thus the big, bold IF.

Hating Trump = hating all white men?

Sweden is not rioting right now wtf lmao. They have one going in yeah, but maybe you're being lied to by alt-right media bud. And link the report, IIRC I know the one you're talking about and it was a highly flawed study that was criticized by other researchers. And yes absoutely hold them accountable, however they are not the ones that made up terrorist attacks.

All of this is moving the goal posts, they lied, he lied, you can do whatever mental gymnastics you want but Trump is a known liar.

it's not a matter of "belief", it is a matter of fact that there is no evidence to support the claim that 5 million of them voted illegally as the president has stated. Which is what we are talking about right now.

Moving the goalpost from "5 million illegal votes" to "literally 1 illegal vote", as you just did, distracts from the ridiculousness of Trump's comment which you yourself just admitted that you believed was true.

Yes

The process for impeachment is very involved, and does in fact require evidence. If Trump gets impeached, we will definitely see the relevant evidence. As for Flynn, I strongly disagree that his resignation was over nothing. He flat-out lied to the Vice-President and the FBI about his contacts with Russia, and was caught red-handed doing so. I think that warrants dismissal.

At least people will agree with you half the time here like in the real world.

Where was there ever Sanders hate on that sub? Sure, there was hostility against "Bernie or bust" people, half of whom seemed to be concern trolling Trump fans, but Sanders himself was still quite popular.

You're showing a fundamental lack of understanding about this past election. People didn't all of a sudden begin loving Hillary Clinton. For most people, this was an election of voting against person you hated the most. Did you think liberals would just vote for someone who had a running mate like Mike Pence? You need to take a step back and be a little objective about the situation.

Le tip me fedora to u sir 9 year redditard

No worries my man

spez has not been fired <--this sez everything about the state of re-edits

Thus my disclaimer/signature, no matter how many times it triggers people. See my post history, I cop a few down votes and occasional flak from people too emotionally invested in this site.

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