Like the millions of pictures from lower earth orbit and space?

From NASA; such a trustworthy source right? I can't act like i know what the truth is cause I've never gone to space or anything, but I'm not going to make assumptions and jump to conclusions made by people who have previously lied to us in the past.

NASA doesn't have a monopoly on space travel.

Space agencies from other nations have taken photos in space.

They all work in coordination.

How can you tell the difference between working in cooperation, and all reporting the same findings because those findings are true?

They work together to hide what Earth is. Knowledge is power. People in a video game think everything the programmer programmed is true, no?

Worldwide consensus is that the earth is round.

I can see the Earth is round by either going outside, travelling, or asking someone about what they see in other countries.

It seems that their conclusion matches mine. So where's the hiding?

It's not round, Rocky. They say it's spheroid.

What's the difference?

Oblate spheroid on the left, which is what they say it is. You do not even know this shit either, yet you claim others are wrong. lmao.

It depends how pedantic you want to get. It appears you want to go all the way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_physical_characteristics_tables

Equatorial diameter 12,756.3 km (7,926.4 mi)

Polar diameter 12,714 km (7,900 mi)

So the Earth is wider than it is tall, but not by much. That means it's not a perfect sphere, but it's not that ridiculously squished left image you posted.

but it's not that ridiculously squished left image you posted.

How do you know?

12,756.3 - 12,714 = 42.3

Such a small difference will not lead to such a squished shape.

When was the last time you did the measurement yourself to prove the numbers correct?

Get on boat, see how far it takes till horizon disappears.

Please provide proof of your dramatically-squished Earth claim.

I just want to add that people working out those measurements you said before are probably the only reason this guy you're replying to even knows Earth is oblate in the first place. They seem to accept Earth is an oblate spheroid and then use the first image of an oblate spheroid they saw as "that's what the Earth looks like".

Really have to turn your brain off when dealing with these people.

This whole time it was all because he didn't know that an oblate spheroid can be something as little as 1% off perfectly round.

Boats do not go "over the horizon" just merely out of the physical sight of the eye....

out of the physical sight of the eye....

Which is over the horizon.

I thought you said you weren't a flat earther?

Which is over the horizon.

Proof?

I thought you said you weren't a flat earther?

I'm not. I've made that evident. Rocky, you've been around long enough....

Please provide at least some proof of your dramatically-squished Earth claim.

Proof?

Of what?

Please provide at least some proof of your dramatically-squished Earth claim.

Your nigga: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E9G8fbnZ24

Please provide at least some proof of your dramatically-squished Earth claim.

I've already explained your own example against you, so please provide at least some proof of your dramatically-squished Earth claim.

Go do the math, and figure it out? Who's numbers are you relying on? Was Earth the same as it was 10,20, 30, 100 thousand yeas ago?

Please provide at least some proof of your dramatically-squished Earth claim.

Please supply your numbers that you have personally confirmed and tested...You're a scientist, no?

Please provide at least some proof of your dramatically-squished Earth claim.

I've made an image for you here:

http://i.imgur.com/Ebn86hf.jpg

The difference is nearly negligible.

Write your math out, that you've proven? Science? right? You're just as daft as FE'rs, imo... Believing in religion..

If you are dismissing centuries of scientific discovery, peer-reviewed material, photographs and experimentation, why would you be so keen to know what a random person on the internet thinks? You've somehow managed to ignore all evidence to this point, why would I suddenly manage to convince you?

Seems preposterous.

Give me evidence of any of this...

I just did:

http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Biographies/Aryabhata_I.html

http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/history/Biographies/Al-Biruni.html

https://zenodo.org/record/32050#.WPsFLfmGNaQ

http://www.livemint.com/Sundayapp/8wRiLexg1N2IOXjeK2BKcL/How-Aryabhata-got-the-earths-circumference-right-millenia-a.html

https://books.google.cz/books?id=RcfmBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA1&lpg=PA1&dq=robert+helmert+size+of+earth&source=bl&ots=KRAgu320Gr&sig=C6vkY0Fty2Ojx7HR5sSZvZwlKV4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiKvsOBxLfTAhWQKlAKHa2oB0MQ6AEIOzAE#v=onepage&q=robert%20helmert%20size%20of%20earth&f=false

Still waiting....

What is lacking for you in those instances? What results do you have that demonstrate them to be incorrect?

Your math.?

The earth is an oblate spheroid, but it's not that oblate. If you look closely you can see it in any photo of the earth.

And oblate spheroids are round.

And oblate spheroids are round.

No they are not. They are oblate spheroids. Maybe you should do a wee bit more research, no? I'll wait. I should note, I'm not even a FE'r...

shaped like or approximately like a circle or cylinder

The earth is shaped approximately a circle or cylinder.

Not a circle or a cylinder. Oblate spheroid. Hey, I'm using the word what scientists say.

You're using the word but not understanding what it means.

Awe, Rocky has been blatantly proved wrong...

Where is the proving wrong of the Rockran?

I check the dictionary, oblate spheroid covers anything from the Earths shape, to your squished shape.

Definitions, facts and reality support me.

Give me a link?

To a dictionary?

Yes.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=dictionary

Rocky, you're cute and a play thing of mine. Now, send me a link...

I just did. Click it.

No, no you didn't. You're on rapid fire!!

I just did. Click it.

Click what?

My link.

You just told me to google it?

You evidently needed help.

You didn't provide anything... Now, you got a link?

I did have a link to dictionaries in my previous comment.

Unless you edited, no you didn't...

Please provide at least some proof of your dramatically-squished Earth claim.

You're caught now, Rocky... Tis' funny ;)

Please provide at least some proof of your dramatically-squished Earth claim.

You just going to repeat? Show me your math?

Actually, the 'oblate spheroid' is only different by about 40km at the equator, your examples are grossly exaggerated:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equatorial_bulge

Furthermore a 'spheroid' is round, so your previous point also makes no sense.

When was the last time you calculated?

When was the last time you calculated?

It has been calculated within 0.3% for centuries and within 100m in the 1900s prior to space travel:

http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Biographies/Aryabhata_I.html

https://zenodo.org/record/32050#.WPsFLfmGNaQ

https://books.google.cz/books?id=RcfmBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA1&lpg=PA1&dq=robert+helmert+size+of+earth&source=bl&ots=KRAgu320Gr&sig=C6vkY0Fty2Ojx7HR5sSZvZwlKV4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiKvsOBxLfTAhWQKlAKHa2oB0MQ6AEIOzAE#v=onepage&q=robert%20helmert%20size%20of%20earth&f=false

When was the last time you calculated?

... Um?

... Um? You're not very scientific, now, are you...?

If you are willing to dismiss hundreds of years of people doing the same, why would you suddenly trust my calculations? Seems strange to so blindly trust a stranger over centuries of some of the greatest scientific minds in human history.

What math have you proven? I thought this is what science was all about. You can cower behind many, but what have you ever done? Show me the math, that you've done? Be wary of throwing rocks in a glass house..

What math have you proven/done?

I'm not the one trying to disprove centuries of scientific discovery, experimentation, analysis, observation in addition to decades of photography. I believe that the countless independent people who have reached incredibly similar results over the course of centuries using the same methodology to be correct in their analysis. Their predictions and experiments match with photographs we obtained of the Earth once we had the technology to photograph it from afar. Their results have been scrutinized, duplicated and experimented with by thousands of people for centuries all yielding similar conclusions. This, to me, along with observations of eclipses and a multitude of other celestial phenomena has led me to believe that their analyses are correct.

If you don't believe that centuries of experimentation and observation to be correct, it is up to you to demonstrate otherwise. Moreover, if you've already dismissed all of the evidence presented to you so far, it seems incredibly strange that you would put all of your faith into some random person on the internet providing you with their calculations.

I thought this is what science was all about.

Science is about making observations that lead to hypotheses that can then be tested by replicable experimentation. The fact that this has been done for centuries, repeatedly, by thousands of different people, all with very similar results which match our logical interpretation of the shape of the Earth, is more than enough to consider it a settled issue. The question is what evidence you have to the contrary that would make me reconsider the issue? So far you have provided none.

Still waiting for your math.

Still waiting for your math.

Why isn't the math of hundreds of scientist covering centuries good enough for you? Why would you blindly trust some random person to convince you? How is it that I have more sway than centuries of scientific study before me?

While I'm somewhat taken aback that I've had such an impact on you that you would trust me over centuries of previous scientists, it's also pretty damn strange to be honest.

Did you do the math? If not, you're just religious.. I don't care for either. Measure it, yourself. Prove it...

Did you do the math?

I don't have a distrust in centuries of scientific discovery like you do. I don't need to calculate the rate of photosynthesis to know that watering my plants helps them grow. Repeated observations combined with centuries of scientists reaching the same conclusion is enough for me. You have yet to provide a single reason why it isn't enough for you.

If not, you're just religious..

Absolutely incorrect. If you don't understand the fundamental differences between religion and the scientific method then this discussion has truly been a waste of my time.

You have provided nothing in the form of evidence and have made outright incorrect claims. If centuries of scientists reaching the same conclusion isn't enough to convince you in addition to observations you can conduct yourself as well as thousands of photographs, and all the while you are only able to counter with is misinformation, then please bark up another tree, or provide something of your own.

Still waiting, have you done the math?

Sorry, I'm done discussing this with somebody who is willing to dismiss hundreds of years of evidence, conflates religion and science, doesn't know that spheroids are round and is apparently a proud Hitler supporter.

Good bye.

So you have nothing? Fitting... Night, snow flake...

I've provided you with centuries of evidence, you've ignored it. Not sure why you are so obsessed with my calculations, it's really creepy and clingy.

Go back to virulently praising Hitler, your mind isn't meant for scientific discourse.

Ad homs, expected. Now, where is your math?

No ad hominems, it's seriously creepy that you are putting so much faith in a stranger on the internet yet don't trust observations you can make yourself. It's oddly obsessive and desperate.

What did I do to deserve so much of your attention compared to the far more accomplished string of hundreds of scientists before me who have demonstrated the same? What did I do to deserve so much respect that it outweighs observations and research you can do yourself? The fact that you are willing to trust me, but not Friedrich Robert Helmert is strange and disconcerting, period.

If you actually want to try to participate in a reasonable discourse, point out your problems with Helmert's analysis.

If you are unable to do that, then please return to your ongoing praise of Hitler.

Just asking for math... You cannot prove it, admit it... We are done, and this is done....

Just asking for math...

Here you go:

http://www.livemint.com/Sundayapp/8wRiLexg1N2IOXjeK2BKcL/How-Aryabhata-got-the-earths-circumference-right-millenia-a.html

You cannot prove it, admit it...

I just did.

We are done, and this is done....

Thank goodness, Nazi sympathizers creepily obsessing over me is the last thing I need in my life.

You have not showed me your math. All you did was call me a nazi, even though I'm Polish... It aint going to work here....

Never called you a Nazi, just a Nazi sympathizer.

I'm Polish

"Listen, bro, I'm German"

What problems do you have with Arybhata's math that would force you to start obsessing with a redditor you don't know and ask them for their calculations? Point them out, should be simple.

You never gave me math. I admit right now. I'm German, Polish, and Russian. Mostly Polish (90%). With that being said, show your math? You're not gonna "get me". I promise you that....

Again, why would you trust my math over Aryabhata's? What makes you so obsessed with my numbers?

I admit right now. I'm German

Your quote: "I'm not even German" - in a thread where you were called out for praising Hitler.

Seems you are unable to even stand up for who you are under scrutiny, so it's no wonder you are willing to dismiss scientific facts with equal vapidity.

So you have nothing? Thanks. G'morning...

So you have nothing? Thanks. G'morning...

I've provided centuries of scientific analysis, research and experimentation. You are the one who has provided nothing and continue to obsess over my numbers like some kind of weirdo.

Go watch next year's Lunar Eclipse, maybe then you'll come to the same realization that people have had for centuries. If you are willing to dismiss centuries of evidence and observation, it's obvious that I'm not going to change your mind.

You can't even decide what nationality you claim to be on a day-to-day basis so I doubt you honestly have the capability to have analyzed the information I've provided to this point.

...they don't though.

My comment is from 5 months ago, how did you come across it?

Plenty of private companies have satellites up there... Are you serious? Wouldn't Russia or China, just straight up call us liars if the Earth was flat? Come on man, use your noggin dude.

Where are the flat earth pictures? Where are the pictures of the crust of mountains holding all of our water on the our flat surface.

Where are the stories of ancient sailors bumping into a wall a la Truman Show?

The corporations are even more deceitful, but I get where you're coming from. I didn't say "the earth isn't a globe!" Or anything like that, did I? I'm just questioning everything and not jumping to conclusions. And if they were intentionally hiding shit that only a limited amount of companies that actually have enough money to know what the truth is, do you think there would be flat earth pictures everywhere or something? Of course not. It's very doubtful the earth is flat-it just doesn't make much sense, but the truth? Who the fuck knows what the truth is.

Flat earth is a psyop to make us look cray-cray

Thanks for helping out with that agenda...

Also serves to recruit useful idiots and collect psychological data.

Eddie is crazy but he's still my friend.

You know Eddie Bravo?

Fair enough.

barring some final and irrefutable proof.

Considering flat eathers don't accept photos, there will never be evidence they accept.

Flat earthers are among the stupidest of the human species. Every other thing in the galaxy is round, becoming round and circling except earth which looks like a piece of plywood? Ok. And what possible motive would be behind making everyone for hundreds of years believe the earth is round but really it's a piece of plywood? Sounds like people are off thier meds.

Downvotes because I think the earth is round! You got to love that shit. Fucking idiots! Lol

flat earth theory is crazy but if it were to be true, it would cover just about every other conspiracy theory.

I don't believe in it myself, but I view flat earth theory as the mother of all conspiracies

I wouldn't say FE is the mother of all conspiracies, merely that they are lying to us about Earth. Could actually be Hollow, which is why they would want to hide it, or expanding.

Earth is round everyone knows this including you

You ever been to space?

You're splitting hairs and that's not helping your case

How am I splitting hairs? Do you know what an oblate spheroid is? I suggest if you want to discuss a topic, you should probably know what you are talking about. The Earth is not round.

An oblate spheroid is still round lol.

An oblate spheroid is still round lol.

no, it's not. look up the definition, lol....

Oblate: flattened at the poles.

Spheroid: a sphere-like but not perfectly spherical body.

The Earth is taller than it is wide by about 42km. So it's not a perfect sphere, but it is within 99%

When was the last time you checked the math ;)?

Probably the last time you went outside.

You need to acknowledge that I got the definition right before we move onto other points.

You didn't get the definition right..

What definition are you using?

The definition of oblate spheroid.. What are they using?

What definition are you using?

The definition....

What definition are you using?

The definition?

What definition are you using?

The definition...?

What definition are you using?

The definition of the word?

Go to a dictionary, I provided a link in my previous comments.

No you didn't...

Please provide at least some proof of your dramatically-squished Earth claim.

Please provide your math that you've done, yourself. Science, no?

Please provide at least some proof of your dramatically-squished Earth claim.

You just going to repeat? Show me your math?

Please provide at least some proof of your dramatically-squished Earth claim.

Rocky. I'm done with you. Enough has been posted that you have no idea about what you talk about. It's evident.. Call FE'rs what ever you want. I proved you inadequate.. Now, you are trying to salvage your screen handle... Have a nice night or evening ;)

Please provide at least some proof of your dramatically-squished Earth claim.

Look at the equation: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Spheroid.html

It's a round body the same way an ellipse is round. Just think of it as a 3D ellipse.

There's a difference between being perfectly round and being round, but they are still both round.

a spheroid is round wtf are you even talking about.

No, it's not. Give me the definition...

• spheroid - a sphere-like but not perfectly spherical body.

..so not round?

Spheroids are round, hence the words "sphere-like" in the definition.

No but I have seen pictures, plus everday people have used cameras attached to weather balloons, and you can see the curvature of the earth

Yeah it supposed to be shaped like a pear according to NDT, but every single thing contradicting flat Earth is saying it's a sphere. Not a FEer but a sphere and pear are two very different shapes that should be able to be seen in photos.

It still would make sense why they wouldn't if the Earth was Hollow. Just saying...

flat earther

very smart guy

Pick one.

Maybe flat earthers can pool together some cash to get a plane and figure it out.

It is prohibited.

It's simple fucking logic that the Earth is a sphere.

If the Earth is flat, it is either floating in something, or it is laying on something. Flat Earthers say there is no space, it's just the Earth. So, the Earth is not floating on anything. They say the Earth is an infinite plane. So, if that is true, and everything we know as Earth is surrounded at the edges by an ice wall, what is the Earth laying on? What is underneath that? What is above our fake sky?

Flat Earth has its links in Judeo-Christian mythology. The idea here is that the powers that be have greatly deceived all of us and lied to us about the Earth being a sphere floating in space. That one day, when aliens come to save us, they are really Devils come to enslave us.

The problem with this is why would God create "the Heavens and the Earth" and the heavens are fake? And why would God create incredibly complex lifeforms and all that we see and experience and put it all on a big flat table in his basement? You can observe galaxies from Earth, so God created those incredible light shows, but that's all they are?

Flat Earth is nonsense. It's insulting to human intelligence and it's insulting to God. It says he didn't create an amazing, complex universe, but instead that he created a snow globe.

A couple of the things you said are huge generalities for what you think flat earthers think. Making a lot of implications and misrepresenting the theory doesn't help your argument.

How far down are you going to scroll through my user activity? And are you going to comment on every post, or just the ones you have a superficial knowledge of thanks to YouTube videos?

Lol I'm going through the top controversial posts on the sub within the past 24 hours. Shocking that you seem to be all 0ver it, but I'm not following you around lmao. I don't even look at usernames. Paranoid muc

And out of 146 comments, you found mine exactly after I just pointed out what a jackass you are on another thread?

Who do you think you are fooling?

You're the fourth top comment i. The thread. It's not like I dug through chains of comments. I also commented on the post not replying to anyone.

I don't have to prove shit cause I'm not trying to fool you lol, I'm going to continue my day and you're going to be paranoid that I'm stalking your account.

"but muh post history"

Fuck it. Reported. All flat earth gets reported. This is ridiculous.

Just funny how people will believe the illumanati exists and they are controlling all world leaders, events, wars, etc. But it is unthinkable that they could cooperate or cover-up this. Not saying I believe in it but it's contradictory logic to say TPTB can cover up shut all around the world but this is the line they can't possibly cover-up.

So the globe earth is a manufactured lie, being covered by every major country and space program. Yet, they let people post on YouTube about it? Wouldn't those videos get immediately destroyed? Also google has a satellite in space, if this were a lie or made up then why do they let flat earth theories populate in their search engine? There's contradictions everywhere starting at the root of this giant coverup claim. Stupid nonsense.

The corporations are even more deceitful, but I get where you're coming from. I didn't say "the earth isn't a globe!" Or anything like that, did I? I'm just questioning everything and not jumping to conclusions. And if they were intentionally hiding shit that only a limited amount of companies that actually have enough money to know what the truth is, do you think there would be flat earth pictures everywhere or something? Of course not. It's very doubtful the earth is flat-it just doesn't make much sense, but the truth? Who the fuck knows what the truth is.

Go do the math, and figure it out? Who's numbers are you relying on? Was Earth the same as it was 10,20, 30, 100 thousand yeas ago?

What definition are you using?

Your math.?