I don't subscribe to that sub so I never see it on my front page.

Look at r/all and it's usually there.

Not as often as you are making seem.

That's because those people probably have low self esteem and probably hate themselves. You see this often w the liberal left. They are degenerates who despise the normal traditions and values of the people.

They have no morals. No pride. No confidence. They are often unattractive or overweight. They don't want other people to be happy because they aren't happy.

Just a few reasons off the top of my head.. don't let it bother you, they will be sad the rest of their lives. The best thing to do is to make sure you live a fulfilled life and be as happy as possible.

^ this

Misery loves company.

Exactly.

What a crock of shit. Like the fat ugly neckbeards conservatives over at r/mensrights and r/whiterights and the r/theredpill are a bunch of attractive young lads full of self esteem and profound morals. Give me a fucking break.

Never said every single person on the right is attractive. I said the majority of confident attractive people's are on the right. The majority, not all. Liberals are very often the outcasts.

Hahahahahaha that's why every single hot celebrity is liberal and you guys only have Ivanka Trump and the whores on fox news.

Celebrity's have almost no morals or values. Thanks for proving my point further.

What a hillbilly thing to say. Celebrities have plenty of values and they donate to charities and speak for causes all the time. You do just don't like them because they hot and cool and think it's ridiculous that you don't believe in global warming.

Celebrity's are sell outs. They will do anything for money. Throwing money at a charity doesn't prove anything and it's often a tax write off. And wrong, because I am 'hot', 'cool' and well off. I practice what I preach.

Liberals are so annoying, they always feel like they have something to prove because they aren't satisfied w themselves.

You know Trump's a celebrity right? And I'm guessing you're a big fan. So I guess your profound morals include married men grabbing women by the pussy and moving on them like a bitch even though they are married to someone else. Those are the good morals of the conservative right, correct?

Not a fan of trump actually, try again liberal.

Well he's the head of the conservative party right now. Who should I look to for your magnificent morals, conservative?

You liberals are detached, disconnected from reality. You think the right worships trump when trump has betrayed us, betrayed the American people and we realize it. I'm not even conservative, I'm a nationalist.. I believe that would be third position or something. I believe in the old morals and values of our great nation, the ones our forefathers instilled.

Family and my country. Die with your boots on. "You are nothing, your people are everything" philosophy.

nationalist is probably the number one dumbest political affiliation you could possibly have picked. You talk big about how "great" you think your nation is, sticking to your narrow image of what you think "great" is. All the while, you whittle away at the things that do make your country great because those things don't pass your ever increasing purity tests. You end up ruined, just like every nationalist movement that has ever come before you.

I stand by my assertion that you must not be very smart to have chosen such a narrow minded and destructive party affiliation.

Hah love it. So liberals have no morals. Conservatives have great morals. Trump has bad morals. Yet the majority of voting conservatives selected him as the leader. You see how this makes no sense? Clearly your conservative brothers have no morals.

Liberals pervert morals. Liberals pervert traditional values. Trump has a normal family and plays a traditional gender role within his family unit. So idk where you're getting Trump has bad morals? I said he betrayed the right when he bombed Syria among other moves he's made.

And for the 5th time I'm NOT a conservative. Trump was elected because the left is full of self loathing whites and racist minorities and the silent majority of white people saw through their BS and wanted to send a message that we are still the majority and we did, successfully.

So Put that in your pipe and smoke it, liberal.

So having 5 children from three different marriages is a normal family? And I'm the one with perverted morals? You sound like you live on a farm and listen to talk radio all day everyday while her king off to breitbart. There are racist black people and racist white people. I'm guessing you think only liberal minorities are racist.

So Put that in your pipe and smoke it, liberal.

k, grandpa

I didn't say it was a 'normal family' I said it was a traditional family or at least that's what I meant. You know, man.. woman.. children. Not man, man, adopted child. that's perversion and that's what the liberal left says we should be okay with.

No I don't live on a farm, I live near a big city. No I don't think only minorities are racist but they sure do voice their racist a lot more than white people. The BLM is racist, obviously. The White lives matter group has been labeled a hate group but it's okay for the BLM. That's racist.

You're obviously still reeling from the last election, you better get use to it. I doubt there will be a dem in office for a long, long time. So kiss your perverted liberal utopia goodbye, for awhile at least.

5 children from 3 different women is a normal family? I'm sure you'd totally say the same thing if Obama had 3 baby mamas. Sorry Trump's a disappointment for you. I'm sure you feel like an idiot because he conned you guys so hard. Don't worry, he probably won't get reelected.

I didn't even vote, and I saw it coming a mile way. Maybe he is a semi disappointment to the right but it still beats liberals getting their way and he's much more productive than Hillary or Bernie could of ever been in other areas. I'm just happy I got to see liberals crying on TV. Trump could end the world tomorrow but at least I got that joy lol

He probably won't get re-elected but itll still be another republican in 4 years, you can count on that :)

And Obama doesn't even have 1 baby mama because Michelle is a transsexual and those children are adopted. Just go look at the cover of Time Magazine :)

Wow you're a special kind of stupid. So you're cool if the world ended as long as you see some liberal tears. Cool dude. And clearly you don't understand how elections work if you think some other republican is going to beat Trump during his reelection campaign. Jesus. And I'm not even going to address the dumb shit you said about Michelle.

Anythings possible. For all you know trump won't run again and it'll be a republican who wins and or Michelle is actually a transsexual, anything is possible and she does have broad shoulders Lol

You're a fuckin idiot

You're moving the goalposts

Man, that Kool aid must taste so good dude. Seriously.. I bet you are subscribed to the Kardashian Twitter by the sounds of it lol.

that's why every single hot celebrity is liberal

Celebrities are a tiny sample size

Do you even science?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/01/10/conservatives-really-are-better-looking-research-says/

I always suspected that this was true. What I never imagined would happen was that becoming conservative would make me better looking. Until it did. Granted, this was mostly due to a change in diet and exercise, but I have to imagine a mindset set around independence and personal responsibility was a factor.

Dude, celebrities just sell their bodies. The majority of them were theater/drama nerds and money and make up sure does help with the illusion ( I am in no way saying every conservative is attractive because I don't know how one would even come up with that).

Exactly

What normal traditions and values do the left despise?

Let's see here,

The traditional family unit, they would rather two lesbians or two homosexuals raise a child.

The traditional male and female roles, they would rather have mommy in construction and daddy playing house.

Also, the left despises traditional sexual relationships. They would rather have females w females and men w men or females w animals or men w transsexuals. Along w needing new bathrooms for all. :)

That's just a few off the top of my head but there are many more.

the left is fine with both traditional and non-traditional roles. The only hate for people that don't do what is considered "normal" comes from right wingers. The only group that wants to restrict the freedom of American citizens to pursue personal happiness are conservatives, such as yourself.

Why do you care if a homosexual or lesbian couple raises a child?

Why do you care if a man stays home to take care of kids?

There was no problems with trans using bathrooms until the right made it a issue.

Because it's perverted. It's a perversion of the norm. And I don't want my kids growing up in such a perverted world where perversion is considered the norm.

The more important question is why do you want to live in such a perverted world?

How in the world is it a perversion?

Dude if you can't see why two homosexuals raising a child isn't perverted then idk what to tell you. It's wrong. Why don't we just let two giraffes raise a child or two pedophiles become foster child parents... Are you serious right now!?

Please explain to me why it's perverted.

Because it is perverted. If nature wanted two men to have a child together then it would be possible for men to bear children.

That still doesn't prove anything is purverted.

two giraffes raise a child or two pedophiles become foster child parents

Holy shit dude, are you for real?

No, I'm a hologram.

And I don't want my kids growing up in such a perverted world where perversion is considered the norm.

Then raise them somewhere around others who think like you. Don't try to change people outside your community. Instead, support your community and your family. Show the world that your way is better and protect it.

So it's okay w you if there's a community of pedophiles who raise children? I shouldn't be disgusted by other communities no matter how perverted they are because outside of my community? lol, right.

So it's okay w you if there's a community of pedophiles who raise children?

Absolutely not. Children are children and cannot consent to sexual activities.

You're making a false equivalence, though. Homosexual people are not pedos, and what two grown adults do in their own lives is none of your business.

It's societies business. And if it's wrong we shouldn't let it occur. Homosexuals cannot raise a child correctly, that takes a man and a woman. It is doing a disservice to a child to let two homosexuals raise children because these said children will grow up and have problems.

Men aren't nurturing by nature a child needs a mom, a woman for that. What you're talking about letting happen is borderline child abuse and I will not stand for it.

It is doing a disservice to a child to let two homosexuals raise children because these said children will grow up and have problems.

I'd rather have all orphans raised by lesbians who love each other (because, hey, you're the one who said they need moms and dad's are nurturing. I guess TWO moms must be automatically better, huh?) than have any more children go through foster care in this country. The system is a fucking wreck.

Maybe instead of criticizing everyone else you put some effort into actually fixing society and proving that your way is right. Because the way I see it one group is actually out there helping kids out of the system and the other is sitting on their ass calling them gross from behind a keyboard.

Also "men aren't nurturing by nature" my ass. It sounds like you had some shitty male role models.

Wrong, two moms is the same thing as two dads. It's too much if the same thing, children need balance. The mother is nurturing and supportive and the man is firm and assertive. It's called balance, something liberals have very little knowledge of. Liberals tend to go off the deep end one way or another and have zero balance in their lives.

And I never called anyone gross, I said it was WRONG, Which it is. And men aren't nurturing by nature. Idk what kind of beta bux male role modes you've had in your life. A man should teach you how to be a man, not how to be a liberal.

the man is firm and assertive.

This sort of thinking leads to men who can't communicate with their wives or children. They just scream, yell, and hit when they don't get their way. Your definition of masculinity leads to the creation of emotionally-stunted manchildren.

Lol no, this sort of thinking leads to a masculine man who turns women on and is respected in /r/theredpill you're sissy version of a man is what dries women up so bad their genitals look like Marlon brando in The Godfather 1 w a lemon in his mouth. Jesus ffs, BE A MAN!

Sorry to disappoint you pal but I've already found the person I'm going to spend my life with and I'm very happy.

If you want to sleep with a lot of women who party on weekends and use tinder, then good on you. I don't have any fond feelings for TRP whatsoever, but it works for some people in that environment. If that's what you and the others in that group want, then more power to you I just hope you don't hurt anyone while you're getting your rocks off.

Me? I've got someone to come home to, someone I actually trust as my partner in life and who makes me want to be better.

I hope you can find the same someday, if that's what you want. If TRP is your thing then enjoy that for as long as it lasts, and I hope you're happy on the other side either way.

Do you have any evidence besides your own personal belief systems that homosexuals cannot raise a well adjusted, happy child? Or that men cannot be nurturing? Do you have any proof anywhere that you aren't just talking out of your ass and regurgitating the hateful beliefs you were probably raised with?

It's unnatural, if nature intended homosexuals to be so it wouldn't have to be done by the state. It's unnatural, unnatural = not natural which is a perversion of the natural

You could have just said 'no' and saved yourself some time.

Homosexuality was considered a mental illness pre 1974. They only changed it from a mental illness to a sexual preference to be politically correct. There was never any evidence to the contrary that it wasn't a mental illness. That's all the evidence I need.

Is that the best you've got? We used to do it, so that's proof? Because we used to try to exorcise schizophrenics.

They only changed it from a mental illness to a sexual preference to be politically correct.

Do you have any evidence that was the motivation behind the change, and not a consensus of the scientific community?

Again, you have the option of saving yourself time by just saying 'no'.

They changed it from a mental illness to a sexual preference because of political pressure due to many gay protesters, google it. And exorcism of skitzos compared to homosexuality being a mental illness is not even close to the same thing and I doubt that was as recent as the 70s

They changed it from a mental illness to a sexual preference because of political pressure due to many gay protesters, google it.

So you don't have evidence of your opinion and want me to find it for you. Fine. Yes, there were protests. Protests were not the cause of the change. The APA held a symposium to review the inclusion of homosexuality in the DSM. A subcommittee tasked to review this concluded "“reviewed the characteristics of the various mental disorders and concluded that, with the exception of homosexuality and perhaps some of the other ‘sexual deviations’, they all regularly caused subjective distress or were associated with generalized impairment in social effectiveness of functioning”. They decided to remove it from the DSM, and the members of the APA voted to uphold that decision with a majority vote.

Is there any reason for me to believe that you somehow know better than the majority of the American Psychological Association as to what constitutes a mental disorder? Again, saying 'no' will save us both time.

And exorcism of skitzos compared to homosexuality being a mental illness is not even close to the same thing and I doubt that was as recent as the 70s

So are the 70s the cut off? By the 1970s we had psychology figured out, and any changes after that were due to political correctness?

You've got no evidence, you've got prejudice and hatred.

Prejudice and hatred? Lol not at all. I'm simply saying that it is child abuse to let two sexually deviant sexually perverted homosexuals raise a child. It is perverted and unnatural, if nature intended two homosexuals to raise children then they wouldn't need help from the state to do so.

It's WRONG! A child needs a mother and a father, not two fathers. Homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to raise children. And homosexuality IS a mental disorder. Political pressure caused the APA to change their tune, of course they won't openly say that but it's the TRUTH, like or not, it's the truth.

And I will never ever be in favor for homosexuals to be parents thats unnatural, wrong, and I pray for the kids that do have to go through that, that they do not grow up to have several issues.

Prejudice and hatred? Lol not at all. I'm simply saying that it is child abuse to let two sexually deviant sexually perverted homosexuals raise a child. It is perverted and unnatural, if nature intended two homosexuals to raise children then they wouldn't need help from the state to do so.

Opinions, no facts.

It's WRONG! A child needs a mother and a father, not two fathers. Homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to raise children. And homosexuality IS a mental disorder. Political pressure caused the APA to change their tune, of course they won't openly say that but it's the TRUTH, like or not, it's the truth.

You claim it's the truth, but once again fail to provide any evidence to back your claims. You have only the ignorance of your beliefs, and it poisons you with hatred.

And I will never ever be in favor of homosexuals to be parents thats unnatural, wrong, and I pray for the kids that do have to go through that, that they do not grow up to have several issues.

It is hatred, and it brings only negativity to your life. It brings no joy. I pray you can find a more peaceful, loving outlook while you're on this planet.

Homosexuality is a mental illness and I wouldn't leave a child w someone who has a mental illness, end of story.

Yes, you've made your stance very clear. What you have failed to do, time and time again, is to show that it is based on anything approaching reason, evidence or logic. If you were able to examine that with any honesty, you'd realize the only reason you feel that way is because you were taught to, and are simply continuing the hatred because you were told to. You seem to be religious, but Jesus would never hate any child of god the way you do.

Nope, not religious at all. I'm just someone who likes traditional morals and values and homosexuality is deviant and perverse. And it should still be considered a mental illness. I feel sorry for the kids that are raised by these people. They will, without a doubt in my mind, grow up hard w issues to boot.

The traditional family unit, the left would rather two lesbians or two homosexuals raise a child.

Untrue. They just want people who would ALREADY BE TOGETHER (in this case, lesbians) to be able to raise children together.

The traditional male and female roles, the left would rather have mommy in construction and daddy playing house.

Also untrue. Third wave feminism is one thing, but at the core of it what they're trying to say is that men should be allowed to stay home with children if that's what they want, and that women should be breadwinners if that's what they want. Why the fuck would you ever want a child to be raised by a parent that doesn't want to be doing that job. If the dad is the better stay-at-home parent then he sure as fuck should be allowed to do that.

lol you're so brainwashed and indoctrinated by your precious Marxist ideology you can't even see the harm it does to society.

Feminists brainwash women to believe that a career is more important than a family. If a parent doesn't want to raise a child then they shouldn't have children! There's no choice in the matter, once you have a child. Do you realize how hard it is for a woman to be a breadwinner over the man? It RARELY occurs and then when she can't make more money than her man..

It causes resentment. There's tons of ways and reasons why your disgusting Marxist ideology should be eradicated off the face of the planet but I digress.

your precious Marxist ideology

I do not think that word means what you think it means. You're just using it as an insult. We aren't talking about economics here, and you can't just use "Marxist" to mean "Things I disagree with." Words have meanings.

Also career IS more important than having children. Women should absolutely learn skills that can earn them money before they have children because other people cannot be trusted to take care of them and their children.

A career is more important than having children?! Lol wow.. women are put on this earth to bare children, it's what keeps the human race alive. That is, their most important job on the planet. It is a gift given by god and nature.

And libertarianism IS marxism/communism, what have you.

And libertarianism IS marxism/communism, what have you.

Words have meanings.

That is, their most important job on the planet. It is a gift given by god and nature.

I've got some news for you pal. "Feminism" as we know it wouldn't exist if men could be relied upon to treat their women well and raise their children. If you could guarantee a woman that she and her children would be cared for if she didn't get an education then you'd never have seen so many women gravitate towards feminism.

But you know what? You can't guarantee that. every time a women has sex in this country she's risking her personal health to bring a child into this world, a child which may or may not have two parents willing to take care of it.

And don't you dare pull the "well women shouldn't have sex unless they're married" card here, because there are countless men every god damned day who straight-up abandon their children. And why should they care? There are no negative consequences for them if they leave. They could have been the sweetest, kindest man before they got married, but as soon as the going gets rough the temptation is there.

They find themselves thinking "Why do I have to provide for this woman? Why do I have to care for this child? I never did before?" and off they go.

So what happens then? Then the woman has to find a way to provide for her child. If she has no skills she's reliant on another person to care for her, like a fucking child, when she has a child of her own to care for.

But if that woman studies? If she gets a degree? Then she's safer, because even if her husband bails she can still find employment and give her child a decent chance at a normal life.

Lol there are no negative consequences if a man leaves his woman and child? Haven't you ever heard of child support? Men still have to pay for their child even if they aren't w the woman any longer. And there you go typical feminist blaming men for gravitating towards feminism.

It's not men's fault women gravitate towards feminism. It's the medias fault for brainwashing women into believing this fairy tale that they don't need men. Empowering, my ass. It's destructive to a woman's mind. Women are easily influenced that's why when they go out w their "girls" they act 10x more annoying and slutty, because they are easily influenced by their degenerate friends, much like feminism.

Women shouldn't have to worry about a degree. If we didn't have sissy liberal men walking around more women would have men that stuck around and foot the bill for them. But noo in this day and age we have weak beta male liberal boys that run away from their woman and child because it's "too hard" to be a real man and be there for your family.

It's not men that are ruining women, it's your degenerate liberal utopia that you love so much, that we live in, that is ruining it for you.

Haven't you ever heard of child support?

Something that had be fought for and won by women because this was so fucking common that the government had to step in and add a disincentive to abandoning your family.

If you knew the history of child support, you wouldn't be undermining your own argument by citing it as an example. If anything, you're supporting my statement that some men care so little about their family that leaving them means nothing to them unless they are personally punished for doing so.

Don't you realize how sick that is? Especially as a man who claims to support traditional values?

Women are easily influenced that's why when they go out w their "girls" they act 10x more annoying and slutty, because they are easily influenced by their degenerate friends, much like feminism.

Not all women do this and the fact you're stating it as a fact is helping me get a better picture of how you see the world and the people you interact with.

Women shouldn't have to worry about a degree.

Now you're the one living in an imagined utopia. You say women shouldn't have to worry, but in this world, this version of reality, they do.

beta male liberal boys that run away from their woman and child because it's "too hard" to be a real man and be there for your family.

Every single man I've ever known who ran from his family (going back to the 1930s) considered himself to be a "real man" who defined himself by his physical strength and his "lack of emotions" when really they were hyper-emotional manchildren who never learned to cope with their feelings. Not one man who people like you consider "weak" has done anything of the sort and those of them with children have families that adore them because they actually spend time with their children and prove time and time again to their children and their wives that they love them and aren't ashamed of that fact.

Try again.

Lol you call a man paying for his child a punishment? I call it a duty as a man. And women may have fought for child support laws, but in the end it was a man who made it law. Men are the ones who gave women rights, don't forget that. We didn't have to do that but we did that because western men take good care of their women, better care than any other civilization even today in the modern world. Look at how Arabic women are treated, for example.

And I'm pretty sure you didn't know any man in the 1930s that would make you pretty old. You're making assumptions that all men have little care in the world for their families which is so incredibly untrue I'm still wondering how you could make such outrageous claims, but that's a liberal for ya.

Liberals are so indoctrinated and brainwashed to the point that they don't even know what's true and untrue anymore they just spew the same rhetoric, over and over. It's ridiculous.

You can't honestly believe what you're saying about men.

Lol you call a man paying for his child a punishment? I call it a duty as a man.

And yet if men could be relied upon to do their "duty" (as you call it) then the law wouldn't be necessary would it?

And I'm pretty sure you didn't know any man in the 1930s that would make you pretty old.

I was referencing my grandmother's father, who beat her and her mother, then left her mother for a women who was only 16 at the time they got married. It set the tone for how the rest of the women in that family line would behave for the next 70 years.

Men are the ones who gave women rights, don't forget that. -> Look at how Arabic women are treated, for example.

These are the kinds of statements that make women push women towards feminism. Stop blaming the big bad media and shadowy evil forces. Women are people and can think for themselves just as men can. In the case of things like these two statements right here, any decently intelligent women who has studied history would understand that what you just said is a threat. "We gave you rights, you better be good or we'll take them away."

If a woman starts believing that all men are like you, why would she ever want to marry someone like you or have a child with you, knowing that you don't see her a partner to raise a family with, but as someone to be controlled by you. Why should she ever risk her safety to be with someone she thinks thinks he is entitled to harming her if she does something that displeases him?

It's happened before on a society-wide scale, after all. I mean, you were the one that brought up the middle east. Women there in the 70s had rights, they could live and thrive and protect themselves, and that was all taken away from them. Now they can't even do the most basic things without a man's permission.

Face the facts, man. The world doesn't work the way either one of us wishes it did. You and I may disagree, a lot, and this argument has been fun, but I think we can both agree things are fucked up out there. Otherwise we wouldn't even be talking to each other here on this subreddit.

I agree, we are talking in circles and will just have to agree to disagree. The world is fucked up and we tried it the liberal way so let's be fair and adults about it and try it the other way around and maybe come back and have this conversation again in 80 years and see if the right wing way was actually better than the leftist way, I'd say that's fair.

All in all, it was fun. no hard feels.

No hard feelings here either.

I wasn't talking out my ass when I was talking about cleaning up your own house before talking shit about others. That's what I'm trying to do in my own community every day, you probably do too.

Good luck to both of us.

Thanks you too

Said like someone who has never gone to a Trump rally. The neverending parade of obese greasy people with poor hygiene, crying constantly about how they can never get laid and that it's all "the feminist's fault." The few attractive people on the right could hardly be called "confident" either. The second they open their mouths, you can tell they are suffering from some sort of psychological complex. Yeah, the left has a few overweight feminists, but that's nothing compared to the sea of Fomorians that is the American right.

lol sounds personal, I'm not even going to bother w you. Jesus camp? I never went to any such Jesus camp. Not all people on the right are religious. And that's very racist of you to assume all white people on the right are hillbillies. So you're racist but that's okay because most of the left is full of anti racist racists.

Maybe not all, but the vast majority of right wingers are both ugly and born of poor moral fiber. They routinely elect obvious crooks and corporate shills because they're either really stupid, or they are just as morally bankrupt as the politicians that they choose as representatives. Not that i'm discounting the idea of most of the right being as dumb as a back of hammers. In fact, i'd be willing to bet that right wingers are not only ugly, they're also immoral and some of the stupidest people on the planet.

lol calling all white women fat? Did you know statistically African Americans are the most obese race in the United States, Google it.

Also, to make such claims that the entire right wing is a hillbilly IS racist. If I said all blacks were thugs or all Mexicans were illegals you would too, call me racist. The left is full of double standards. They are The true racists.

I'm not sure why you keep having to bring race into this. I never mentioned race. You seem awfully inclined to talk about race for some reason. I think it's pretty clear that you made a weak argument in your OP. You can't even defend it and now you're resorting to the same shitty defense that you accuse "THEM LIBRULS" of using.

You've pigeonholed yourself into arguing a certain way with your perceived political opposition. This is the classic behavior of someone whose only exposure to ideological opponents is sitting in an echo chamber where they circlejerk over strawmen.

Lol you in no way, shape or form outdid me. And you said hillbillies which is a racial slur for white people and then you said "your women are too fat" typical ad hominem attacks by an educated Bernie sanders supporting liberal who panhandles and begs for more handouts every 4 years.

You know what you were implying stop deflecting because you realized the irony.

No, hillbillies isn't a racial slur. Seems like i've found another member of the SJW right. I've been finding you people all over reddit, happily engaging in the very same fallacious debate tactics that made the classic "sjw" so obnoxious.

In any case, I don't see much reason to continue this conversation. It's clear that You've circlejerked over strawmen for so long that you've lost any ability to handle opponents that don't fit a certain image you already have of them. It's sad, I saw the same thing happen to many sjws on Tumblr. I guess it was inevitable that the SJW right would fall victim to the same pitfall.

/u/Fedorabro69 and /u/GaiusJuliusCaesar_ you two aren't having a conversation. You're just projecting your hate for the other side onto each other.

found the hillbilly. What's wrong cletus? Did y'all want ta marry yer sister but found out she already done got knocked up by yer brother? That's alright, y'all can just wait till she births hersself a daughter n' marry that'n!

White people rarely, if ever, play the race card so try again, liberal.

You're the one trying to inject race into this conversation. You're the one who keeps playing the victim because he thinks i'm being "racist" against white people. You are definitely playing the race card here.

here's my impression of you:

"u LIBRULS is the only one who is playin' muh RACECARD.... y'all best stoppit too cuz it RACEIST again us persecuted WHITE folk!

CHECKMATE LIBRULS ;-)"

Keep deflecting. You know what you were implying. And stop typing like that because white people don't type like that so it doesn't make sense. You try to play stupid like minorities don't often use hillbilly to describe white people they think are dumb.

That's exactly what you were implying and then you went off and called "my women fat" as if all white women are fat? White women are statistically less obese than every other minority races women.

I'm not playing the victim lol you aren't even close to being enough of a threat for me to ever be any sort of victim. You're just saying things that don't make sense that I'm trying to understand.

If you were implying all white people are hillbillies then why don't you enlighten me on what you meant? Or can't you because it was a racial slur?

You've literally done nothing but play the victim ever since I slaughtered you in that opening exchange of insults. You immediately shifted into defensive mode and started trying to act like I was on some sort of assault against white people You embody the worst of what you accuse your opponents of doing. It's really pathetic.

I'm still waiting for a response on what you actually meant by those comments then?

Good job insulting the majority of Americans...

Hey, gaius set the standard of discourse, not me. I was only following his lead. I don't even believe most of the things I said. If you dislike the way the conversation was carried out, I'm not the one you should criticize.

They are often unattractive or overweight.

That's the EXACT same thing they say about the right you realize.

Oh man, have you visited /r/childfree?

I'm fine with them not having kids. Children should be wanted and loved by their parents.

Oh, yeah, I don't care if people want kids or not. I think OP's point, though, is how completely repused so many over there by anything remotely associated with procreation.

Have you read up on it? There are a TON of valid reasons to be scared of procreation. I don't think the issue is brainwashing, I think the issue is what happened to female relationships. In the old days women spent a lot of time talking with each other about sexual things (always behind closed doors before). Female children were exposed to childbirth and child rearing from an easy age (babysitting is absolutely not a good replacement for this whatsoever) and knew the risks involved. They learned from their mothers and sisters and they knew how to keep each other safe, healthy, and alive as best they could.

Nowadays women never talk to their children about sex and childbirth, it's considered taboo and overly sexual, so women don't learn it anymore. Instead they find out about it in unnatural ways or they never learn about it at all until they have children and find themselves traumatized by the experience.

It's fucked up.

There's a resurgence of home birth and natural birth with midwives rather than OB happening

That's good to hear. Doulas once had a place of respect in any societies and it seems we have forgotten that, glad to hear some of that is coming back.

Women talk to kids about sex and childbirth all the time. What type of people are you hanging out with?

Someone just posted over there thanking all kinds of women, including women who raise children and cook. So all people are different.

I think many here would agree that making an enemy of an entire group of people is usually not a great idea.

I think many here would agree that making an enemy of an entire group of people is usually not a great idea.

And that doing so alienates people who might be able to help.

That post isn't going down too well though.

Provide an example top post from there please.

The reason why fewer people want children, is because we as a global culture go out of our way to make life hard for children and their parents.

In the good old days, children would spend most of their time laying on their mother/father's chest, peacefully forming the crucial bonds between parent and child.

Now, with C-section, vaccination and a host of other unspeakable medical procedures, every attempt is made to break those loving bonds.

The people you see on r/childfree are not 'socially dysfunctional leftists'. They are normal people like you and me, who probably had an unusually traumatic birth experience.

If you want to learn more please google 'Jeanice Barcelo'.

The second issue is taxation. Governments do not need to collect their currency in order to spend it, this has been admitted by Beardsley Ruml, Paul Samuelson, Alan Greenspan and Ben Bernanke.

The ever increasing amount of tax we pay (not just in income tax but on consumer items) is part of the reason why both parents must now work.

Now, with C-section, vaccination and a host of other unspeakable medical procedures, every attempt is made to break those loving bonds.

What the hell is wrong with c-sections? Jesus christ, dude.

The issue is that when the obstetrician uses Pitocin/cytotec to induce labour. The contractions are so extreme that the baby goes in to fetal distress, which necessitates a C-section.

C-sections interrupt the bonding process between the mother and child...

Yeah, but dude, do you know what happens to a woman's body during childhood? It's not as simple as popping a baby out and going back to normal. Being pregnant and having the child can KILL YOU. What's more, women these days (In the US, Canada, and western Europe at least) don't have the social networks they used to have. Instead of having a sister or a mother around to take care of you and your baby, you have to do it all yourself.

C-sections can save women's lives, and even if the women's life isn't in danger, an easier birth means the mother is able to recover more quickly and take care of her child better.

I mean FUCK, dude. Human babies aren't even done when we pop them out, by normal standards all human infants are premees.

Bro science bullshit.

C-sections is nothin' but a LIBRUL CHEAT fer gettin' rightfully SINFUL women outta the PUNSHIMENT they was DUE!

Hahaha

This all stems from Memorandum 200. Population control, people. Good luck out here.

Please don't mix up women's rights with legit conspiracy stuff.

Please don't mix up women's rights with legit conspiracy stuff.

That said, though. I'm absolutely down for women-related conspiracy theories. I'd love to see any that anyone has.

NOTE: I don't mean conspiracy theories ABOUT women, but I mean things like the forced sterilization of women (confirmed to be real) and the birth-control placebo-week thing that's also real but people just don't know about.

What about feminists trying to feminize all human males as a precursor to their armada of biological, vagina shaped warships that are currently orbiting Jupiter.

They're around Jupiter? Dammit, and here I was with all my money on Venus.

Personally I plan on living on the moon, so ...

For the record, twox never wanted to be a default sub in the first place.

The future seems pretty bleak, what kind of life do these newborns have waiting for them? I think its more humane not to have kids at this point. If I were to bet whose going to win, I'd put it all on the the well organized. powerful, and psychopathic elites winning sadly. Less kids are less meat for grinder at this point.

Good. The rest of you take his example. Don't breed.

I posted the abortion was equivalent to killing on 2chrome... A lot of emotional responces, some agreed with me, and and others basically agreed with me.

Really? Because it looks more like your post was removed.

Yea but it was a post about abortion that was removed because it didn't have relevance to women. If you don't get your post removed from 2chrome then your post was poop.

It may be nwo propaganda. Depopulation. I've seen some discussion that MSM promoting gender identity issues is also part of discouraging procreation.

And subs like this one, at least over the past 4 months or so, condition people that independent research is bad and that you must follow what you are told as long as the person telling you what to think isn't mainstream. Bonus points are to be had if you disavow logical thinking and think that everything happens for a reason.

"Psyop! You're just trying to make us all look like lunatics!!"

It isn't that EVERYTHING happens for a reason. It's the belief that "in politics nothing happens by accident" which is completely different.

It's like saying "within Enron, nothing that happened was an accident" because our government is run by some of the same types of people.

Consider the US govt as similar to the corporate setting with a board of directors running the show from behind the scenes. At points it becomes difficult to push the agenda without secrets and what can be viewed as conspiritorial actions.

They're also trying to say shit like how empowering it is to keep their last names when they get married b/c they don't belong to anyone. I've never felt that was the reason for a woman taking a man's last name in marriage but these feminists think it's like their man pissing on their territory. Shit's getting way out of hand from lefties. And don't worry people, I don't dislike lefties at all, I'm a center guy, my lady is a lefty, but the shit they're trying to pull is a fucking disgrace.

My whole childhood and adolescence all I wanted was a partner and a family etc. Part of me will always want it. I'm not religious at all, I've been agnostic since 6-8 yrs old. I didn't find anyone who shared this dream, all I found was heartbreak and betrayal. I'll always love all of them but they didn't share my dream I guess. That made me re-think my existence. I can't blame them, and I can't blame myself. I've tried so hard to blame myself and figure out what I did wrong in my life... Can't find it. Nobody is to blame in that situation.

I'll probably never have kids at this point, I'm not bringing anybody into this world of shit until it starts to look like it's getting better. It's not fair to them to bring them into a world where everything is in an epic downturn. I don't want to believe this wholeheartedly though, because some things are getting better.... but we lose more freedoms and part of our humanity every single day.

They don't ask to be born and neither did I...

No they don't, no one is forcing you to read Reddit

Cultural marxism...

Also I agree with you and have writtrm about this!.

1) Make account.

2) browse only subs you are subscribed to,

3) snarkily post about /r/ttotm to fuck with people

Really I don't care to see 2X or thier vag / relationship drama, nor do I care to see a dozen novelty subs made by shareblue to passive aggressively bitch about trump., nor do I care to see The_Donald do the same.

Kids are expensive these days. The times where a family of 8 can live on a single breadwinner is over. People want families, but they know it is reckless without the resources to do so. Hard economic times cause people to be frugal, and that includes life decisions such as family.

Do you have any evidence that a child raised by a homosexual couple will be less happy or successful than a heterosexual couple, other than your own personal beliefs?

Western women in the USA are not too into the idea of becoming mothers because being a mother in a society that requires you to have a two-person income per household is extremely difficult to pull off. Daycare for ONE child is on average 1000/per month. A lot of people can't afford this and pay other bills with an average salary. Rent is high, insurance is hardly affordable, and almost everyone is in some kind of student debt.

I am pregnant with my first and there is no way that I can afford to work outside the home. I am lucky that I have a family that can help me out and a partner who is sticking around, not everyone has this I would argue to say that most people my age do not (22 yo). A lot of people come from broken families and have partners that are commitment-phobes. Do you know how difficult it is to find a partner who wants to settle down in this day and age?

What woman in her right mind would want to raise a child where financial stability is rare, partners are non-committal, and family support is hard to come by? Sound-minded women are selective when it comes to having children because they want to avoid raising fuck ups. Don't blame women for speaking out about how shit the world has become for child-rearing. I'm sure that there are many women who would kill to be in my position as a mother because it's an impossible choice for them in our current society.

I would agree that most women have been taught to dislike motherhood. But as a mother, with many mother friends, I can accurately report none of us like childbirth.

Because it's perverted. It's a perversion of the norm. And I don't want my kids growing up in such a perverted world where perversion is considered the norm.

The more important question is why do you want to live in such a perverted world?

Please don't mix up women's rights with legit conspiracy stuff.

That said, though. I'm absolutely down for women-related conspiracy theories. I'd love to see any that anyone has.

NOTE: I don't mean conspiracy theories ABOUT women, but I mean things like the forced sterilization of women (confirmed to be real) and the birth-control placebo-week thing that's also real but people just don't know about.

Now, with C-section, vaccination and a host of other unspeakable medical procedures, every attempt is made to break those loving bonds.

What the hell is wrong with c-sections? Jesus christ, dude.

Anythings possible. For all you know trump won't run again and it'll be a republican who wins and or Michelle is actually a transsexual, anything is possible and she does have broad shoulders Lol

Really? Because it looks more like your post was removed.

the man is firm and assertive.

This sort of thinking leads to men who can't communicate with their wives or children. They just scream, yell, and hit when they don't get their way. Your definition of masculinity leads to the creation of emotionally-stunted manchildren.

Lol you call a man paying for his child a punishment? I call it a duty as a man. And women may have fought for child support laws, but in the end it was a man who made it law. Men are the ones who gave women rights, don't forget that. We didn't have to do that but we did that because western men take good care of their women, better care than any other civilization even today in the modern world. Look at how Arabic women are treated, for example.

And I'm pretty sure you didn't know any man in the 1930s that would make you pretty old. You're making assumptions that all men have little care in the world for their families which is so incredibly untrue I'm still wondering how you could make such outrageous claims, but that's a liberal for ya.

Liberals are so indoctrinated and brainwashed to the point that they don't even know what's true and untrue anymore they just spew the same rhetoric, over and over. It's ridiculous.

You can't honestly believe what you're saying about men.

I agree, we are talking in circles and will just have to agree to disagree. The world is fucked up and we tried it the liberal way so let's be fair and adults about it and try it the other way around and maybe come back and have this conversation again in 80 years and see if the right wing way was actually better than the leftist way, I'd say that's fair.

Thanks you too