Is "hard work" a conspiracy?
16 2017-05-06 by _kthechief
For whatever reason, I find that the worth of an individual in the Western world lies in how much they work. When I have visited other countries & conversed with people from other countries here in the states, it is always pointed out how much Americans love to work.
There is this narrative I find overarching in mainstream media that hard work will be rewarded. However, anyone who spends even an afternoon on this sub can see that hard work is not meant to pay off in the financial realm at least. Is this purposeful?
33 comments
n/a Putin_loves_cats 2017-05-06
Kinda, but it's more about consumerism and materialism, which has been propagandize into the citizenry since the end of WWII. If people are always working, they aren't doing much introspective thinking, now are they?
-John D. Rockefeller
n/a xCaffeineQueen 2017-05-06
Thinkers scatter energy all over the place, creating strong branches of possible outcomes, workers direct their energy towards specific goals set by the elite.
n/a Putin_loves_cats 2017-05-06
While that is true. It takes hard work to have a homestead. So choose, humans... Hard work is not bad, but is one fulfilled over the other? Not having to rely on money and the grocery store, but works hard to provide for one's self and family. Nothing is truly black and white. Try being lazy and just thinking, in a survival situation. ;)
n/a _kthechief 2017-05-06
I guess I wonder why with all the jumps in technology , why we would even have to do any of this "homestead" work. Unless all the technology on earth miraculously disappeared?
n/a skorponok 2017-05-06
Lazy potheads, Hail Israel
n/a ShieldedGred 2017-05-06
It is one way of contributing to society, not the only of course. What is purposeful or not is up to the individual, only they can deem something they do as that.
Hard work is just that that, whether it's a goal that is beneficial remains to be seen, nor is the reward necessarily going to proportionate to the amount of work put in.
n/a swansong19 2017-05-06
Not all people who "work hard" are benefitting society. The person who spends their day trucking industrial waste to dump in a river may be working hard but they are certainly not benefitting society.
n/a capitan_canaidia 2017-05-06
They are but trucking that waste to a dump. Pretty sure Society would suck without those logistics. And if you think trucking is even a hard job...
n/a swansong19 2017-05-06
Lol…try it. Driving a truck in/through the city all fn day. Bouncing around in the cab…idiot drivers…the numbing humm of a diesel engine all day. It's hard work.
You can use semantics all day but there are many people working hard that are doing nothing good for society.
n/a capitan_canaidia 2017-05-06
I'm just saying they're are jobs that are harder than driving all day, I do agree with you that it's a hard job. Most drivers work insane hours too. It's also takes more energy than you think to focus on the road all day maintaining several tons going 70 mph. I was a driver during summers in college, so I know a little bit about it.
I agree with you that there are many people working hard for no reason, nothing to benefit society or move us forward culturally or scientifically. The few that do often have hooks in their back from executive producers or financial institutions. Most people are locked up in the corporate 9-5 spinning their wheels supporting/migrating existing businesses. Some work on 'new' things, but usually these are just copy cats of old things to a large extent, lacking originality.
http://www.channel101.com/about is pretty original. It's an online tv network. I think they're doing one of the best things for society ever. This is truly independent media.
n/a LilChnkySkrtn 2017-05-06
I don't think it's necessarily a conspiracy. I think it's likely that this part of our cultural identity is being exploited. I recommend exploring eastern philosophy to learn about being content. The Tao Te Ching covers about this subject quite a bit.
n/a hopelessbookworm 2017-05-06
As a student of history my thinking here goes toward the idea of the Protestant work ethic and the role that played in the founding of the United States, but is it entirely possible that these cultural norms have been exploited so as to leave people running on the hamster wheel forever thinking it's the moral thing to do and that it will eventually pay off? Yes, I think so.
n/a _kthechief 2017-05-06
This seems to be the most fair answer in this thread. I think the religious piece plays more of a role than other people have mentioned.
n/a _kthechief 2017-05-06
Thank you! I am very dissatisfied with this idea of my work being exploited here, and I hate the idea of being a slave to the elite because of this system of trading your time (which you only have a finite amount of) for a pass for survival.
n/a sheasie 2017-05-06
yes.
zero point energy exists. w/ unlimited, free energy, there is no reason why any human should be forced to work.
n/a thesarl 2017-05-06
So true.
n/a nottheoretical 2017-05-06
No, but laziness of mind and body and general apathy certainly are.
n/a _kthechief 2017-05-06
Why is the opposite of "hard work" laziness? Who created this dichotomy?
n/a nottheoretical 2017-05-06
Well, if you choose not to work someone has to work for you. No one eats for free in this world no matter what the system of governance is. That's just the law of nature.
n/a _kthechief 2017-05-06
What law of nature says this? I am interested in reading more about these laws.
n/a nottheoretical 2017-05-06
I don't think you need to read about it, just consider it in observation of nature in general. How do you survive without work? Even wild animals have to exert themselves to eat and survive.
n/a _kthechief 2017-05-06
This is true. However, animals don't have control of automated electronic devices that can do things like grow & harvest food. We do & will have access to even more things as time goes on. Do you think this idea of "work=value" will persist when that occurs?
n/a nottheoretical 2017-05-06
How will these automated devices be manufactured if someone doesn't work?
Don't misunderstand me.. i am not fan of the current system wherein people are more or less forced to work for others, have their profits stolen and then told if they do not work within that system they are useless or a criminal. I define work as anything one has to do to provide for themselves and family.
I think what you say will happen and it will really equal more control over people's lives, not less. Then, as far as the PTB are concerned, they no longer need so many masses of taxed slaves. Your worth, in whatever form they define it, will directly tie to your right to even continue to live.
n/a _kthechief 2017-05-06
If I'm not mistaken, there are assembly lines are fully automated. I believe BMW has a whole factory set up that way.
However, I agree with what you're saying, but I feel that the question of our "worth" being tied to our right to live is important now. Before we get to a point where technology can tighten the hold the elite have on the general public.
It's why I made this post to begin with, I guess. To find out if other people also feel we should be re-examining the concept of "hard work" & what it means for our present & future.
n/a nottheoretical 2017-05-06
Who is going to manufacture the assembly line equipment, the robots, etc? Those are machines that people make. No matter what, a person made something that makes something that makes something.
But, yes, we should re-examine what kind of hard work is really commendable. We should be able to provide for ourselves and our families like free human beings - where our own labours Always = our own profits. They don't even have to be monetary profits. Growing your own food and bypassing part of that system is one example. They intend to make doing that very difficult.
n/a Nopey19474628w94 2017-05-06
Another way to look at it...
"Arbeit Macht frei"
n/a thesarl 2017-05-06
There is no benefit from hard work other than ignorance (due to lack of time) and sometimes money.
My very unscientific life study has found that people are wealthy either due to hard work, luck, and family.
But to answer your question, it is purposeful. Keeps the populace busy, tired, and preoccupied. Wouldn't want people with too much time and money on their hands... They might try to actually do something useful.
n/a whybother- 2017-05-06
A lot of other countries also don't realize we don't love to work so much - most of us just 'have to' . In order to get what they desire in life at least. (goes back to others comments about being propagandized into citizens though)
Unfortunately most spend their time at the grave regretting this. People don't seem to understand time = money, or they do and just don't value their lives enough I suppose.
n/a Lord_Augastus 2017-05-06
Capitalism doesnt work if people dont work. Plus if all people do is work, it stops them doing other things, like overthrowing a government for unfair wages and corporate tax cuts, gov shutdowns, propaganda, rigged elections, loss of freedom and justice, police state, constant military budget pit of wars, wars that are built on lies, etc.
If people work more and get paid less, then they have to work more to get the same "stuff" others have. Now the difference being that this keeps the workers working, the media and propaganda and culture constantly keeps you wanting more stuff, and those who have no need for such things get to laugh along side the bank.
n/a Dippy_Egg 2017-05-06
Your Lifestyle Has Already Been Designed (The Real Reason For The Forty-Hour Workweek)
Emphasis mine. In regard to your question about whether it's purposeful, to the extent that it is intentional, I think that this inertia is the primary goal.
Finding Time
Slowness as an Act of Resistance
n/a _kthechief 2017-05-06
This was very well articulated. Thank you for your input! I was recently in Europe & got to see them enjoy way more leisure time than we ever do in the US. That experience, plus talking to a Liberian woman who has lived in the States for some time opened my eyes that this work until you're dead mentality isn't naturally shared by all humans.
n/a Splub 2017-05-06
I think the narrative serves to dissuade people from thinking that they can just take how they want.
It made sense to have it however, as without it, they would have run the risk of roving bands of barbarians forming.
The "hard work" narrative is going to have to stop when jobs become more automated however.
n/a _kthechief 2017-05-06
I agree. I don't see the point of having people spending their lives "running the infrastructure" when it will be automated before we know it. However, I see, even in this thread, people who feel like you don't deserve things unless you've "worked" for it. That seems like a slippery slope
n/a Splub 2017-05-06
It is a slippery slope indeed. I believe it's important that the people who feel that way are able to adapt to the coming automation.
During the previous U.S. election it really showed how people are unprepared for it, and how the politicians manipulate the public at large. They'd rather blame the government, and other countries rather than prepare the population to adopt a new economic system.
n/a _kthechief 2017-05-06
Exactly! It's frightening to think about how many people are in despair and don't even know it yet. I read somewhere that big corporations are eager to adopt the "Uber" model workforce where the "minimum wage" won't even matter anymore.