How does "voter suppression" work?

What, u explained nothing and how is I'd requirements bad?

It's not, people are just ignorant.

Can one of u ppl explain what ur are saying!

You need an ID to vote to prove who you are and if you're a citizen. The only people who could think that is wrong are people with nefarious motives (ie voter fraud/illegals voting).

That's not entirely true. They change the requirements for the ID, you have to get said id at the DMV, close all DMVs where black people live.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/09/politics/alabama-dmv-closures-voting-rights/

now tell me.... how do you feel about gun control?

The government shall not infringe. Listen, I agree somewhat about the Draconian laws/rules we now have. It's a different world than when the Constitution was created (less people, smaller communities, etc etc).

it's a different world than when the Constitution was created

yes, and some use that to argue that there should be gun control laws.

The reality is that these laws do little to solve the problems they aim to fix (and voter fraud is already practically nonexistent issue). All they really do is take rights away from Americans.

I posted a bunch of links to some scholarly articles on voter suppression in another comment, you might wanna check them out.

I'm sorry I miss read ur text, I agree with u.

The US isn't a Democracy. Also, how do you prove your an actual citizen without an ID? Also, how do you buy a pack of smokes or a 4 ounce without an ID? Yeah, thought so..

How do you prove you're Bob Smith without a picture ID stating you are indeed Bob Smith?

By doing a livescan and using facial recognition when voting. No ID needed! Everyone is happy!

That's still a form of ID ಠ_ಠ

Yeah, but you can leave your wallet at home, at least.

You need an ID to drive ಠ_ಠ

Well shit. Can't we just use our Facebook profile as a form of ID? They let me pick up my kids immunisation records using FB as ID when my wallet got stolen.

Comment + Username = hilarious thought problem

It's not just about voting twice. It's more about proving you are the person you are voting as.

I would agree. I don't think you should have to provide an ID for buy smokes or booze, but in this day and age you have to. So, the same should apply for voting.

One could say, that the government is by and large the worth thing for one's health.

So... get an ID? Not sure how this is suppressing people. Care to explain how it does?

Why can't they?

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Aren't all people required to follow the same law?

Okay I'm calling bullshit on this right now.

Voter ID is voter suppression? How? ELI5 please. And don't give me this bullshit about some voters might not be able to go to the voter ID place, where ever that might be, to get their ID. Or some other bullshit about how some people might not be able to afford it. And here's why I won't accept one of those bullshit answers. If a state passed a voter ID law, and gave the residents of the state 2-4 years to obtain said ID free of charge, and you don't get one in time to vote, then that's your fucking problem. You had two years or more to go get something that wasn't gonna cost you a dime.

And registration dates? Basically the same thing. It's on you to know registration and voting deadlines. It's not anyone else's fault but your own that you waited until the last minute to try and get shit done. You had weeks and sometimes months, depending where you live, to submit your voter registration. Just because you waited until the last day, 15 minutes before registration ends is your fault.

It seems that someone has already ELI5'd it for you. You just chose not to accept it.

Yeah. Because their excuses for not having a voter ID are bullshit and make no logical sense. The only people that are "disenfranchised" by voter ID laws are people that aren't supposed to be voting in our elections anyhow. So I fail to see the problem.

The only reason people have an issue with voter ID is it goes a long way to ensure that non-citizens can't vote, that dead people can't vote, that underage people can't vote, etc. Notice all those people aren't legally allowed to vote. So what's the problem with requiring an ID to vote that those people shouldn't legally be allowed to get anyhow?

Please take a look at the studies and academic papers provided by the other commenter that basically show your entire argument to be false. Good luck.

Voting is a constitutional right. Voter ID laws are like the modern day version of literacy for tests.

Also, I'm curious.... how do you feel about gun control laws?

So non-citizens, who may not even live in this country, have a constitutional right to vote in our elections. That's what you're saying? So in theory, if someone from Japan is here on vacation, on election day, should be allowed to get in line and cast a vote. Maybe take a selfie afterwards. Showing off their "I Voted" sticker, while wearing an American flag T-shirt like our elections are some fucking tourist attraction. That's what you're saying? Somehow I doubt that you would be ok with that.

Look I know that example I gave was a little extreme. But in the current state of affairs, its possible. Call me crazy, but even one single vote that is cast illegally is a threat to the integrity of our elections.

And gun control laws, by in large, are a bunch of bullshit too.

You do realize that just because someone "casts a ballot" does not mean their vote is counted... right? They have ways of authenticating votes and preventing non-citizens from having their vote validated.

Also, voter fraud is not a significant problem, and voter ID laws prevent more citizens from voting than they do no citizens.

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Nice way to assume I feel a certain way about something that I didn't even mention. Good on you. For the record, I don't think there's necessarily widespread voter fraud.

With that said, I never said anything about earning a right to vote. I too believe that people have the intrinsic human right to vote. What I don't believe in is allowing people from a foreign country a voice in our election.

By your logic, if some Russian was in our country on vacation during the election cycle, they should be allowed to vote. Simply because they happen to be here at the time. You wanna talk about Russian efforts to subvert our elections? if we did things the way you propose they wouldn't even have to hide their actions. There could potentially be worldwide movements to come to the United States and cast a vote for our elected officials. You're OK with that?

There is nothing wrong with asking voters to show proof of citizenship before voting.

There is nothing wrong with asking voters to show proof of citizenship before voting.

Right up until it prevents legitimate citizens from voting.

If you can't come up with ten dollars for an I'd and get a ride to the DMV then I don't know what can be done for those people . IDs are a necessary part of life . You need an ID to cash your paychecks , your government assistance checks , to fly on a plane , to get a job , to drive , to smoke , to drink . To set up utilities . If you can't come up with a way to make that happen in your life , do you really need to be voting ? How do these people manage their everyday lives without an ID ?

All rights are subject to "reasonable" restrictions, according to the supreme court. That's why even though we have free speech, you can't just yell fire in a movie theater. That's why most gun control laws are one the books despite the fact that the 2nd Amendment itself has no restrictions.

That's why I don't see a problem with having to prove citizenship. When you have several instances in the constitution where citizen and voting are used in the same sentence, I think it's pretty clear. Only citizens right to vote is protected, and based on supreme court precedent, a reasonable restriction to ensure only citizens are voting is totally cool.

So ok. Perhaps the way some states have went about proving citizenship has been a little shitty. Perhaps even some racists fucks rigged the system. Can you at least agree that having to prove citizenship itself, not talking about implementation here, but just the requirement itself is "reasonable."

It's actually really easy to explain. First, states require a DMV issued ID in order to vote.

Second, they close the DMVs in predominantly black counties.

That's exactly what Alabama did.

Its not the requirement of having an ID in of itself that people are worried about. It is all the other things like changing the requirements to get IDs, closing or severily limiting the open hours of places that Issue IDs, charging for required documents to get IDs, changing polling stations with no notification, limiting voting registration that must be done yearly, ect.

I worked on a local mayoral campaign. I was outside a polling place on election day when I saw my buddy on a jog. I told him to go in and vote. Turns out he wasn't registered nor had a govt issued ID, but he had his gym pass so they let him vote.

That's cool with me. Does that system exist?

This should keep you busy for a while. I tried to find as many as I could that were available to the public, but many of them you may not have access to.

If you are curious about the ones you do not have access to, let me know and I can post some of the pertinent information.

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So, all of that basically says: voter ID.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_identity_card_policies_by_country

Seems that many countries have a standard of having an ID. Which Americans are less fit than members of those countries?

I apologize, the way you have phrased your question confuses me. Would you mind rewording or elaborating?

Isn't the suggestion that people are being "suppressed" because of an inability to get an ID?

That would imply that some Americans are more fit than others. But more than that, it implies they are less fit than all members of those countries which uniformly require IDs from their citizens.

While, I'm not suggesting we require all people to carry ID at all times, such as some of those countries do, I am suggesting that the barriers which you feel important (lack of transport, education, funds) don't inhibit poorer countries with worse education and transport from carrying IDs.

The link that you provided, from wikipedia, is about compulsory ID's. Meaning they all citizens are required to have one AND that they are supplied by the government. We don't have that here.

We only require ID's in certain instances, and so making them mandatory for voting opens the door for manipulation, and you would know that if you would take some time to really read through the research articles I provided.

In theory, voter ID laws may seem like a good idea... like, why would anyone be against preventing fraudulent votes? But in reality, we are talking about politics. Voter ID laws are just another government regulation designed to manipulate and restrict the people's power.

Voter ID laws are abused severely, and in most cases, are made not to protect voters, but to harm them.

Did John Oliver tell you that? What a ridiculous argument. Everyone should have identification at all times. Without it you can't even apply for a job. All CITIZENS should be obligated to have identification cards.

Did I link to John Oliver, or did I link to 10 separate articles of scholarly research?

Do you have id? And from what age did you have it? How many people do you know that don't have id?

My god, read the articles. It's not just about the obstacle of acquiring an ID, it's about practices that deny people use to deny someone their right to vote. Voter suppression covers a lot of issues/there are many ways to suppress a vote.

I'm all for mandatory id. Universally. You are​ issued a social security card at birth. So the id should be state issued as well. I agree with that. But saying id is being systematically denied to suppress votes is just ridiculous.

Meaning they all citizens are required to have one AND that they are supplied by the government.

Sure, they are supplied at that countries equivalent to our DMV.

The person will have to go in, prove their ID, fill out the form and pay the fee.

I've had to do this in two foreign countries. My wife is from a country that requires this.

They do not come to your house and hand it to you.

But in reality, we are talking about politics. Voter ID laws are just another government regulation designed to manipulate and restrict the people's power.

Again, you have done nothing to show this except link to "voter ID suppression articles". You haven't shown how they are unfair. You haven't shown who they suppress.

It's a false premise.

Again, you have done nothing to show this except link to "voter ID suppression articles". You haven't shown how they are unfair. You haven't shown who they suppress.

I linked to academic research journals that study and explain how voter ID laws suppress votes and who they suppress.

I literally provided you 10 examples and hundred of pages and hundreds of sources cited within the documents.

Just because you won't read them, does not mean it is false.

You invented this idea that other countries "supply" their citizens with IDs. That is bullshit. They need to get to the office and do everything we do, but often without our modern infrastructure.

If someone in Bangladesh is capable of getting to the DMV (or whatever their bureau is called), provide enough supporting evidence, the funds and must do so according to the law, then why in America is fit so hard?

So, going back to my original question which you asked me to ask in another way:

what is preventing Americans from doing so?

I did read some of the bullshit you provided. "It costs $10". And yet...you would rather resist protection against voter fraud instead of petition for free birth certificates, or a free method of obtaining ID. And yet, in poorer countries, people manage to get IDs, so even that shouldn't be an obstacle.

Rural areas: my in-laws needed to take a carriage into town when one was available in order to get married. They needed to do the same to register their children and then again to get them IDs. What obstacle are Americans facing that prevents them from getting an ID?

You won't give an answer because you will sound like a psychopath.

My nephews are half-black, live in a rural area and have poor parents: they both have IDs in the US.

Stop the foolishness.

You won't give an answer because you will sound like a psychopath.

No, because I DID give an answer. Every single one of my articles answer your questions. It's not an easy "black and white" issue. Most issues are not black and white and you can not find the answer on a news station or in the MSM. You have to do a lot of good old fashioned research.

But here, let me make this easy for you. Here is a small section from a few of the articles, out of hundreds of pages.

from the first link:

"Supporters of restrictive photo ID laws in Missouri downplay the num- ber of voters without the necessary identification and claim that because the state would issue photo identification to these people free of charge, the laws would not have an effect on Missourians’ ability to vote. This could not be further from the truth. While the state would cover the cost of the actual IDs, it would offer no assistance obtaining the documents required to obtain an ID,including birth certificates or marriage licenses.147 Women who have mar- ried, divorced, or have otherwise changed their names would be dispropor- tionately affected by these laws.148 Those currently lacking photo IDs are likely to be the people who would have the most difficulty obtaining one, including low-income Missourians, students, senior citizens, and people who rely on public transportation.149 Under stricter voter ID laws requiring a photo ID, those lacking the nec- essary identification would be required to find some form of transportation to and from the license office in addition to the required birth certificate or mar- riage license. Birth certificates cost $15,150 and official copies of marriage licenses cost about $9 or $10.151 The waiting period to obtain birth certifi- cates can be from six to eight weeks.152 For people who are barely scraping together enough money to feed their families, or senior citizens who live in nursing homes and have no access to transportation, these hurdles can be impossible to overcome. As Justice Souter noted in his dissent to Crawford, these additional travel costs and fees are “disproportionately heavy for, and thus disproportionately likely to deter, the poor, the old, and the immo- bile.”153 The right to vote is a basic and fundamental right in our state, and lawmakers should strive to make it easier for all citizens to participate in our democracy, not more difficult."

From the 2nd link: " Further, all of our measures of state-level racial factors are significantly associated with a higher annual volume of proposed restrictive changes; more restrictive changes were proposed in states with higher minority turn- out, more African-American residents, higher scores on the measure of Anti- Black stereotyping, and states where minority turnout has increased in recent presidential elections. Using the definitions of very high and very low de- scribed above, the effects of these factors is as follows: a state with very high minority turnout in the previous election would be expected to see more than three additional restrictive proposals every two years, while a state with very low minority turnout would see essentially no additional proposals at- tributable to this factor. Similarly, it would be predicted that a state with a very large African-American population would experience four additional proposals every three years, while a state with a very small African-Ameri- can population would only see one additional proposal every five years. Last, the measure of Anti-Black stereotyping is strongly associated with a higher rate of proposal. A state with a very low score on this measure would be expected to propose four additional restrictive changes every two years, while a state with a very high score on this measure would be expected to propose an additional seven restrictions every two years."

from the 3rd link:

"However, unlike recent efforts by Republican lawmak- ers to cut back on early voting days, Election Day registra- tion, or reducing the amount of time for completing voter registration drives, which provide little credible political cover and are easily viewed as blatant partisan power plays, restrictive voter ID legislation at least holds the appearance of ensuring the integrity of the voting process. Not only can these laws be framed as a valence issue— indeed, the GOP and their allies often try to frame the requirement to have voters show state-issued photo identi- fication at the polls as necessary to deter voter fraud—it also receives sizable success in the court of public opinion (Fund and von Spakovsky 2012; Wilson and Brewer 2013). In fact, as long as the majority of voters favor restrictive voter ID laws as a means to prevent fraud and hence protect the right to vote from potential political cor- ruption, Republicans have every incentive to continue pushing for such measures. Of course, perception and reality are two very different things in the partisan battle over restrictive voter ID laws. Despite the strong public support to the contrary, there simply is no widespread, concerted, and systematic evidence that some voters go to the polls impersonating someone else to cast a vote to ben- efit one of the political parties (Davidson 2009; Hasen 2012; Hood and Gillespie 2012; Wang 2012). Our analysis of the introduction and adoption of voter ID legislation in the American states over the past decade moves beyond the truism that Republicans are generally supportive and Democrats generally opposed to placing restrictions on the identification needed to vote in person. Without question, underlying coalition-based party poli- tics goes a long way in helping us understand the evolu- tion of voter ID laws from a valence issue to a divisive partisan gambit exercised by Republicans across the country. The trumpeting of restrictive voter ID legisla- tion by the GOP, we argue, is an effort by the party to maintain its extant coalition and bolster its electoral competitiveness—at both the national and state levels. But “politics by other means” (Ginsberg and Shefter 2002) is not played in a vacuum. Republicans have not pursued this scorched-earth policy in all states, nor have they done so consistently over time. Rather, we show that a variety of factors at the state-level condition their effort to curtail the electorate by requiring more severe voter ID requirements. Notwithstanding the considerable litigation challenging their constitutionality, few other scholars (Bentele and O’Brien 2013 and Biggers and Hanmer 2013 being exceptions) have tried to systematically assess the enactment of voter ID laws at the macro-level, evaluating the evolution of this issue across states and over time. As we have demonstrated in this study, restrictive voter ID laws have undergone a pronounced evolution. Early adopters of these laws barely registered on the political radar, and when they did, rarely was voter ID viewed through the prism of partisan politics. But in the new century, because of the different electoral impera- tives facing the Democratic and Republican parties, efforts to increase the costs associated with obtaining the proper identification for voting drew a crisp contrast in terms of how such a reform would affect the major par- ties’ political fortunes. Thus, we find that Democratic and Republican elites across the states have almost com- pletely polarized on an issue which seems very clear-cut with respect to its possible impact on voter participa- tion—disproportionately raising costs on social groups aligned with the Democratic Party—even if such costs are marginal at best. This is the current arena in the contestation over restrictive voter ID laws, a forum where partisan elites are sharply divided over the matter. In contrast, besides those voters who have been directly affected by the implementation of the most restrictive voter ID laws in a handful of states, much of the American public has been slow to understand the dynamics undergirding the fight. But the current equilibrium is changing, as the vocal and high-profile partisan disagreement over the guiding pur- pose of voter ID laws penetrates the awareness of rank- and-file party identifiers.20 Similar to other instances where public opinion has polarized because of partisan division over a salient issue (Zaller 1992), the scope of conflict will inevitably expand (Schattschneider 1960), and we suspect that the party-in-the-electorate will begin to receive the message."

From the 8th link:

"Voter ID laws are structured so that the decisions of poll workers are final and unappealable. For instance, in Hawaii, a poll worker can unilaterally request ID and, because the statute does not specify acceptable forms of ID except to require a photo and signature, arbitrarily decide the adequacy of the tendered ID.133 People without ID in Georgia and Tennessee may vote by casting provisional ballots then going to a local election office within a few days to show acceptable ID.134 However, local officials there are the lone, penultimate judges of whether the ID requirement is met and whether to count the ballot.135 Additionally, many voter ID laws, such as North Carolina’s new voter ID bill (HB 589), empower unappointed, private partisan groups of “election observers” to heedlessly challenge the eligibility of voters. HB 589 will allow up to ten “at-large observers”—an increase from two observers under the previous law—to freely roam county polling sites to challenge voters on Election Day.136"

Lol.

IDs are valid for 10 years and you need it for basically any and everything. Don't delve too deep into the delusion.

Thats the point. Indias has billions and everyone has state issued ID.

I can't really argue about India because I know nothing about their government style or their elections. As far as I am aware their government generally encourages people to vote and does not actively suppress votes, but please correct me if I am wrong.

I can really only speak for America because this is pretty much the only country I have done in depth research on, when it comes to voter fraud and suppression. And in America, get an ID is not always easy, and in states with strict voter ID laws, having an ID does not guarantee that you will not be turned away for another irrelevant reason. It does not guarantee whether or not the state or county will designate voting stations in areas inaccessible to certain groups of people, and it does not guarantee that the state will allow the polling stations to be open at times that would be convenient for certain people.

Voter suppression is not just the requirement of an ID. There is much more to it.

Here's how it works. First, the state requires all voters to get a DMV issued ID in order to vote.

Second, they close all the DMVs in predominantly black counties.

That is exactly what Alabama did.

Not having an ID is a major problem for all the residents even outside of voting. You need ID to drive, purchase booze, get a job, get an apartment and more. I'd be for kiosks or mail order for those that do not have access to the facilities presently necessary.

As a whole voting ID isn't perfect. I believe things like you mention are outliers to a greater good.

The project veritas videos prove there is a lot of fuckery that goes into voting fraud.

And what's the greater good here?

TRUMP is CIA...

OBAMA was CIA...

We know CIA loooooves to infiltrate (even FBI or NSA...or Congress)

so, YES--it's all a fucking distraction to allow the PentaCon to keep destroying the earth and plowing ahead, clearing the way for American Imperialism.

If your country has a US military base--then your country is NOT a soverign nation. ALL US miliitary bases are FIEFDOMS--both for the generals and for the host country politicians.

NOTICE there aren't any articles revealing the PentaCon's swindles?

We also know CIA has run "A Team vs. B Team" exercises--was Hillary vs. Trump just an expanded version? CIA has been profiling candidates since JFK (that we know of).

The result of Trump winning has been the biggest gift to WAR, INC. USA since 9/11...an extra $30 Billion for PentaCon budget in 2017...an extra $54 billion for PentaCon in 2018...keep the $1 trillion nuclear weapon swindle going...selling Patriot THAAD missile systems to South Korea, Poland, Romania...the F-35 swindle keeps going + possibly a second jet fighter to be funded as well (?)...Trump said he wants 350 ships for the Navy (currently at 280 or so) including increasing the number of aircraft carriers to 12 (or more)--China has 2 (built from refurbished Cold War era USSR ships, altho they are now building their first Chinese carrier from scratch)...US $29 billion for 200 cargo helicopters--to be funded (?)...ALL of this extra funding for WAR, INC. USA has gone unchecked by any opposition.

don't forget that "North Korea" has possible EMP so we will only be able to enjoy these twitter battles for so long.

Its a show within a show within a show. Its political inception!

Reality itself is a show within a show. Choose one's channels carefully.

step 1. get off Reddit

It's the Truman show!

More like a matrix were we are all the truman character all at once and all at diffrent points in our truman wokeness level.

Except I am the real Truman with the lil dicky fucking up the music industry thanks to a Cobain Plateau Rape Death Metal cult put on by the highest order of satanic priesthood of Yale and others. This is no larp act on my account. Its pure nonfiction that is NSFL.

Oh shyt. I may have bitten off more than I can chew w/previous comment.

It's ok. Remember no one devours an elephant in a day. Not even a lion. Rome wasn't built in a day. It didn't fall in a day. If you listen to rise against you are familiar with the endgame by now. Think of this as hearing a rooster crow ten seconds to sunrise and take your time in the wormhole. Time is a precious thing after all, try not to lose track of it. I guarantee you won't hear music the same once you realize they are all talking to a 4th wall. They know the code. I'm the entertainer. 5/9 was "The Sting". This is rooted in Our Old Gang. A Hollywood Illuminatro. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2_wJby0XSs

I will head your advice and relish my time. Very thought provoking peice of audio.

Are you a high level insider perhaps?

In the most humble way possible. I'm the one. Its all been made for me. From Katy Perry and her Cherry Pie to Untitled Unmastered. Its all a breadcrumb trail leading you to me. I'm not on the outside looking in or on the inside looking out. I am in the dead fucking center looking around. My life is ghostwritten into your music. Radio is cancer. Even Beibs knows he's just another actor and clone of the game. Clowns in shiny costume while the Weavers operate from the shadow orchestrating the soundtrack to a staged childhood rape that culminated in a 5/9 honeypot against the CIA skynet. We got them redhanded. Think of me as Sharkbait. A caged bird gimped from birth and clipped in the wing at an early age. Child sodomy makes for easy compliant slaves as they learn early to fear adults and groomed for a handler. My handler just happened to be the same age but at a far higher level of masonry. The Luciferian Rite and a forsaken brother's keeper. The rapist unclefucker has a real Bellatrix Lestrange aunt in the form of a United Theology Priest and a classic rock Devil DJ for a father. I linked the whores bio to a prior post. Welcome behind the iron curtain of the Illuminati and its fake media operations.

This response is incredible. It may take me some time to dysphere tho.

That's Ok. take your time. Time is the abstract concept that hinges this whole cosmic pizza puzzle together.

I have been saying its all a show for a while.

All visible American politics is theatre. Trump, Hillary, Bernie, Comey, they're all on the same team, and it's not a team you're part of

Real men would settle this the old way - with sword or lance

Modern "men" have a "twitter battle". We will suffer curses unending for straying this

Yeah so where's your proof?

All I see is a rambling post with nothing backed up with anything except your paranoid opinions.

What exactly are you saying isn't legit?

Proof? Your proof should be that CNN is shoving this garbage down your throat 24/7.

Its all a tennis match with people watching the back and forth, all the while they are stealing your car in the parking lot.

Linda McMahon is in Trump's cabinet.

This is all Greek theatre to distract us while we await another announcement.

"Playing a good guy" .... what are you fucking retarded? He's an evil sob who has been in league with the Clintons since day #1.

All politics is 100% STAGED. Fake. Fake. Fake. It is complete nonsense that keeps us from seeing we have already been ENSLAVED. It is time time really, actually, really WAKE UP!

help the GOP Whites win in the future when they are outnumbered.

This is an EMBARRASSMENT. And should have been figured out 50 years ago. JFK got slaughtered by his own people and you still support candidates and political parties??? Enough already. This is beyond ridiculous. How can people look themselves in the mirror? This is all 100% STAGED. These maniacs brutally sacrificed our brothers and sisters on 911 and we look on like imbeciles supporting candidates? This is insane. We have been ENSLAVED!

You have 66 upvotes and it was posted 6 hours ago... hmmmmmmmm

This is how I feel about all of the news recently about Russia, and trumps impeachment. It feels like every day I go on Reddit and the top posts are like "more evidence leading to trumps impeachment." Like if there was solid evidence of anything illicit activities, trump would've already been impeached.

I believe its up to a republican house & senate to initiate impeachment proceedings. They're not likely to get their tax cuts, new defence spending, and deregulation if they rock the boat now. Better to either a) hope americans simply tire of/get distracted away from the story, b) get their laws passed before risking mutiny against trump shortly before the midterms. either way, acting quickly is against their political interest. Also, the masses of trump voters are not the quickest to catch on, and so are still on his side - going against them early isn't how to win them over. Not until R's have maximized this majority will they gamble on siding with the trump opposition. Coordinated with Fox News finally reporting on the investigation, with spin and lies to make mainstream R's the heroes, Trump a secret Dem all along.

70 upvotes 7 hrs ago - i like it now

There will be some media hype over the recordings, and Trump doing what Trump does best will delay releasing anything until right when it's politically convenient, then when whatever is released will have nothing substantial, and the 'right' will say "libruls were so worked up over nothing", and the 'left' will say "why did it take so long?/well there was this thing that could be really bad", and the media will thank Trump for two weeks of clicks for baseless specualtions on what the tapes could have been about.

Yup, its just a manufactured scandal to distract from what they're really up to.

"Politics is the entertainment branch of the Military-Industrial Complex." - quote misattributed to Frank Zappa

The left: Anyday Trump is going to get locked up!!!

The right: Anyday Clinton is going to get locked up!!!

Yup, its all a sham to keep people angry, divided and preoccupied with false stories on how close someone is to getting taken down.

What, u explained nothing and how is I'd requirements bad?

Aren't all people required to follow the same law?

Okay I'm calling bullshit on this right now.

Voter ID is voter suppression? How? ELI5 please. And don't give me this bullshit about some voters might not be able to go to the voter ID place, where ever that might be, to get their ID. Or some other bullshit about how some people might not be able to afford it. And here's why I won't accept one of those bullshit answers. If a state passed a voter ID law, and gave the residents of the state 2-4 years to obtain said ID free of charge, and you don't get one in time to vote, then that's your fucking problem. You had two years or more to go get something that wasn't gonna cost you a dime.

And registration dates? Basically the same thing. It's on you to know registration and voting deadlines. It's not anyone else's fault but your own that you waited until the last minute to try and get shit done. You had weeks and sometimes months, depending where you live, to submit your voter registration. Just because you waited until the last day, 15 minutes before registration ends is your fault.

Yeah. Because their excuses for not having a voter ID are bullshit and make no logical sense. The only people that are "disenfranchised" by voter ID laws are people that aren't supposed to be voting in our elections anyhow. So I fail to see the problem.

The only reason people have an issue with voter ID is it goes a long way to ensure that non-citizens can't vote, that dead people can't vote, that underage people can't vote, etc. Notice all those people aren't legally allowed to vote. So what's the problem with requiring an ID to vote that those people shouldn't legally be allowed to get anyhow?

I worked on a local mayoral campaign. I was outside a polling place on election day when I saw my buddy on a jog. I told him to go in and vote. Turns out he wasn't registered nor had a govt issued ID, but he had his gym pass so they let him vote.

So, all of that basically says: voter ID.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_identity_card_policies_by_country

Seems that many countries have a standard of having an ID. Which Americans are less fit than members of those countries?