welcome to the conversation.

Yeah man! Come to think of it, I've never been to America, how do I know it exists? Could be an elaborate ruse to discredit Canada.

Numerous civilians have been the America to show you it does exist and they cross verify each other. Currently, only certain governments have been to space to give you confirmation. And we all know the government is all fart and lollipops, and that they would never lie or deceive. nooo.....

Numerous civilians have been to America to show you it does exist and they cross verify each other.

But they're all in on it. Just like all the people who have seen the curvature of the earth are all in on the "spherical earth" scam....

You realize you sound more ridiculous than a FEr, right?

He does but he's not smart enough to realize the differences in his comparisons.

Oh wise one... please educate me... what are the differences?

You realise that was the intent... right?

My parody of their argument is spot on.

Keep telling yourself that

Nah... collusion to discredit Canada is the only explanation.

I don't think I have a brain. I've never seen it before and I don't trust the scans the doctors show us. It's obviously a fake creation of zionist doctors that want to hide the true divine nature of the human being. The only thing inside my body is my soul and the Holy Spirit.

We have evidence of brains, we've seen brains.. you can look up someone getting brain surgery and empirically conclude that you also have a brain.

You cannot empirically conclude the earth is round.

Maybe you don't have a brain.

How am I supposed to trust zionist doctors? ALL of them are in on the conspiracy. All those videos and images of brains are fake news!

You cannot empirically conclude the earth is round.

Oh yes you can.

Simple geometry and observation proves the earth is spherical.

Pick a spot where you can see all the way to the horizon without obstruction. Send someone out to that horizon where they begin to disappear and measure the distance between you. Do that in multiple directions around you so that you can map your entire field of view. You will find that at some finite distance the person starts to go over a horizon. You will also find the distance to that horizon is the same in every direction.

Now build a tower where you were standing, the taller the better, and repeat the experiment of sending someone out to the horizon and measuring the distance. Then build it higher still, and measure again.

What you will find is that in every direction you look, you will be able to see further when you're higher, then when you're lower. You will be able to see a larger area of land at the top of the tower than in the middle, and a larger area of land in the middle than at the bottom.

If the earth was a flat plane, you would not be able to see further simply by moving higher. So the earth must be some other shape. The only shape that can accommodate the observations you have made is a sphere. On a sphere no matter which direction you look, the horizon will always be the same distance away at a specific height. If you go higher, the horizon will be further away, but still the same distance in every direction.

Based on the numbers you have recorded, you can calculate the curvature of the earth. This will allow you to calculate the circumference of the earth, and also to make predictions of how far away the horizon will be at a given height.

So now you build a new tower to a specific height, make the calculation, and predict how far away the horizon will be. You will be able to do this anywhere on the sphere where you have an unobstructed view of the horizon.

If you send someone out the specified distance, you will find they are on the horizon. Send them a little further and they will begin to disappear.

You can repeat this experiment over and over again, with different height towers and at different locations and still be able to predict how far away the horizon is.

That is an empirical way to prove the earth is a sphere.

Lmfao well done CIA, you've derailed conspiracy theorists so much that in 2017 we're legitimately debating whether the earth is actually flat....

I think it's the build-a-burger group behind the brain lie.

Are you comparing traveling to America, to traveling to Antarctica? Because if so, lol.

Right now I do not think the Earth is flat, but I am researching it like crazy. It is honestly making my head hurt because I have to quesion every single thing I was taught in school.

Whether these people are shills or whatever, I just want to know for myself.

I was also suspicious of that thread.

Also, I saw one that says "I am a land surveyor and the world is not flat." Proceeded to provide no evidence.

Again, I do not know what the hell to believe. The last time I went on an airplane, I stared out the window the entire time. I could not figure it out. The windows are so small.

And then I spend all my spare time researching. I look at arguments from all angles.

I do know something is highly suspicious. What are they hiding?

The moon itself is an enigma!

If you have spent this much time trying to figure it out...you are doing something terribly wrong.

Well it leads into a lot of questions and directions...

And I am spending a lot if time actually researching and verifying. I am not just taking anybody's word for anything.

You're doing the right thing. Some people on here would have you believe the government lies to you about everything but space.

Well if people start small...

The government somehow lost thousands of pictures of the moon landing?

Come on now.

And some people might even try to convince you that you don't need to take the government's word for it.

They might try to explain how you can determine the earth is a sphere all by yourself.

That land surveyor post was really weird. It seemed like someone got him to post it, but then he made a fool of himself by not backing anything up, saying 3 miles was the utmost longest distance he ever worked with, and didn't refute a single flat earth argument. I wonder who puts these people up to that kind of thing. Who pays anti-flat earth shills?

The moon itself is an enigma!

No it isn't.

The moon has an independent light source that projects cold light.

The moon has an independent light source that projects cold light.

No it doesn't.

Furthermore, the idea of it being an "independent light source" is easily disproven by looking at the evolution of the shadows/edges of craters over the course of lunar phases.

Its colder than shade, you can test it yourself.

Its colder than shade, you can test it yourself.

No it isn't. The experiments you've seen on Youtube don't account for radiative cooling. If you tested it yourself in controlled conditions you would know this.

there is no such thing as "cold light"...

A lot of mysteries

Such as?

I just had a thought how people tie their identity to their beliefs and politics.

When I stopped doing that, I could explore things more freely.

I used to label myself as some liberal atheist. My reality was a direct reflection of that, and any contradiction to my beliefs would anger me. Even questions would anger me!

The flat earth thing does not anger me because ultimately I am not tied to the earth being round, flat, hollow, whatever. It is just a journey toward truth for me.

Letting go of our biases is so important.

Most of us take a lot of things for granted on a daily basis. Even just the existence of 'Sidewinder Missiles'. Have you ever doubted this, or just taken it on face value?

According to the Flat Earth theory the sun must be a focused beam like a flashlight. If it wasn't a beam it would be able to be seen at night since it can never actually be below the horizon since there is no horizon.

How is this possible?

All it takes for you to confirm that the Earth is in fact a sphere is to watch a sunrise or sunset and see what happens.

As the sun moves above or below the threshold of vision what shape is it? It's still round, right? The only part you can't see is the part that went BELOW THE HORIZON.

Can a flashlight do the same thing? If you look at the beam from the side doesn't the reflector distort the shape? A flashlight seen at an angle will be crescent shaped.

What about the sky? Is it light or dark? If it was a beam wouldn't it be dark? Sometimes you can see clouds or airplanes brightly lit when the sun is below the horizon.

From what I have read, Flat Earth says the sun moves...not the Earth.

The flat earth argument says that the sun only lights up part of the surface at a time because its light is a focused beam, like a flashlight with a reflector. This allows one part of the surface to be lit, while the other is in darkness.

The problem with that theory is that we can see the full lit face of the sun at all times. It's doesn't turn away from us at sunset, but instead drops below the horizon.

If I held a flashlight so that it was lighting you up, then turned it so that it was lighting someone else up and leaving you in darkness, you'd see the source of the light change shape.

Yes, according to them the sun moves in a circle above the Earth and shines down like a flashlight. The beam is creating night and day.

You seemed to be curious. I figured I'd give you something other than their bullshit to think about.

Someone linked a video in one of the other FE discussions. The sun spins around the North pole and spins at a different distance depending on the season. It's closer to the North during Northern hemisphere summer and closer to the south in winter. They basically took the seasonal latitude information for the sun from some source and plotted it into their animation.

It kinda looks like it makes sense but if you notice that the distance around the outside of their "map" puts Australia, South Africa, and South America at a huge distorted distance.

We usually try to believe something because we assume that they're not bullshiting since we ourselves wouldn't bullshit about such a thing. Unfortunately, not everyone lives by the same standards.

If anything I think flat earth is there to hide something else.

Also, I cannot figure out moon phases under flat earth.

There once was a time when that was how people really thought. They just didn't know any better. As time passed and our knowledge increased some people figured out that it was a sphere. I'm guessing it was probably ship captains trying to navigate that first came to the conclusion.

Being on a boat it's pretty easy to notice that the Earth isn't flat. You can look through a binocular and see that a ship at a particular distance is mostly hidden from view. The top is revealed first and the rest comes into sight as you move closer.

Seems to me that there are plenty of discrepancies that are obvious when you think about it.

Just for fun...

They say one proof that the world is round is that anyone can see a boat disappear over the horizon.

But when you get a zoom lens, even after the boat has "disappeared", you can still see it. Why?

Got any proof?

There is a bunch of youtube videos

https://youtu.be/EBYg3u5c7og

What is the video supposed to demonstrated aside that magnification allows you to see objects that are far away?

[Can you explain how the Sun remains a constant size and speed over the course of a day when viewed through a solar filter?]((https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhNFoy2fAr4))

Did you watch it? Honestly I need help.

Haha.

I did. It was filmed on a hot day, so of course there's going to be distortion. How does that prove anything for either models?

Can you tell me how this explanation can make the Sun behave in the video that I showed you?

I have to watch your video now.

The arc of the Sun as it passes above us is probably about 1000 miles from sunrise to sunset. That's not allowing for whatever distance is necessary to be at a constant height along the entire path.

The Sun always appears to be the same size. You can use your thumb to cover it at arms length to see that this is true as long as you use an appropriate protective filter.

Perspective is something that we are very familiar with. An object in the distance appears to be smaller than it would be if you are very close to it.

It's impossible for something to move such a distance and not show a difference in size unless it's very very far away.

That's a pretty good debunk.

Sorry, but that video accidentally proves the curvature of the earth.

In this frame, the maker of the video uses the mast as a sort of ruler.

We can see that the visible size of the ship is at least three masts high.

Later in the video we find this frame.

I have drawn in similar lines to once again use the mast as a ruler to measure how much of the ship is visible. But what is this? Now the visible portion of the ship is much less than three masts high!

How can this be possible? That mast isn't growing, so its visible size should stay the same relative to the rest of the visible ship... but it doesn't.

In fact, our rule says that a significant proportion of the ship is now hidden by the waves.

Is the ship sinking? Sort of... it is "sinking" below the horizon as it travels over the curvature of the earth.

As and argument for flat earth, this video does a great job of proving a spherical earth.

But when you get a zoom lens, even after the boat has "disappeared", you can still see it. Why?

this is false.

Well why? This is one I hear a lot and still have not gotten a good explanation.

Well why?

Why what? It doesn't happen.

Proof?

Proof of something not happening?

Easy, go out and observe.

Ok...

Those FE videos only show objects (boats/ships usually) that haven't gone over the horizon, but that are far enough that it's difficult to see with the naked eye. Then they zoom in with a good camera/lense and pretend that this proved the Earth is a disc or whatever.

In some videos they fuck up and actually show the ship disappearing bottom first, which would be contrary to what FE suggests.

TL;DR Flat Earth BTFO

BTW, please note that I was already including magnification in my example. Just being past naked eye distance isn't the same.

Nope.

None of those videos shows what you claim it does. Not one of them zooms in to a ship on the horizon so it can be clearly seen, then waits for it to disappear, then zooms in again to show it reappear.

What they all do is zoom in to a ship near/on the horizon, then zoom out and claim it disappeared.

What they are doing is relying on the resolution of the camera to make it seem like the ship has disappeared, when it never did.

The images that make up are video are in turn made up of pixels. Each pixel can only show one colour. When the camera is zoomed in, the ship covers many pixels, so many colours can be used to represent its shape and detail.

When the camera zooms out, the ship covers very few pixels, so only a few colours can be used to represent it. These colours are an average of the colours seen in that area of the field of view so if most of it is blue, the whole pixel becomes blue. That is how these videos are making the ship disappear.

What you will not find is a video of a clearly visible ship going over the horizon then the camera zooms in again to show that the ship comes back into view.

That is because the view of the ship is being blocked by the curvature rather than being hidden by poor resolution.

Did you watch the specific video I showed you? Just curious.

Otherwise, Id have to probably go to the ocean myself and try it. I have a pretty good zoom lens.

Yes, and I explain here why that video actually proves the earth is spherical.

But when you get a zoom lens, even after the boat has "disappeared", you can still see it. Why?

No you can't ...

How do you know?

Because I've done it myself and there are numerous examples online?

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Hell... I don't think you even need to go to sea.

That first cave man that climbed to the top of a tree to see further was essentially assuming the earth is a sphere. As far back as history records, we humans have known that going higher lets you see further. Even animals know it.

They may not have fully understood why, but they sure as hell were behaving as if they lived on a sphere rather than a flat plane.

From what I have read, Flat Earth says the sun moves...not the Earth.

If the sun moved as claimed it would change size by a significant amount over the course of the day, which it doesn't.

Good point

Just had a thought....what if...like a dropped coin....it's on a slow wobble....that's how you get the ying/yang sun /moon and the tides?...I don't know...spitballing here

It's one thing to make stuff up that explains some of the visual stuff as long as you maintain the story and don't go into all that much detail. It's another to try to include the tides. I haven't got a clue how FEer's explain billions of tons of water moving upwards against gravity.

Yea I don't get a lot of they're argument...the subject is just as interesting as annoying

I think that it's an annoying argument. If we can't prove that the Earth is a sphere in a clear way that makes sense and is indispensable then how can we ever hope to explain anything?

Which is probably exactly the point...

The believers in the Flat Earth could be purposely fucking with us. They may be trolls just doing it for amusement. They could be Government shills here to muddy the water and make conspiracy theories look ridiculous. Course there could be those who actually buy into the bullshit.

Actually, those who buy into the bullshit are the ones that worry me the most. They would have to believe in a let's say Global for lack of a better term. A Global conspiracy that apparently involves lots and lots of people. Everyone in aviation, spaceflight, and shipping would have to be in on it. Plus, several scientific disciplines would have to be in on it as well such as astronomy, seismology, and meteorology. How screwed up are you if you think that most of the planet is lying to you?

I tried to get the ball rolling to create a new section in the sidebar for conspiracy theories that have been busted. There is a place for ones that they claim to be proven. Seems to me that there should be a place for what's been disproven as well. I got very little support and drew criticism about censorship.

Unfortunately, it's hard to argue against FE because it's hard to see for oneself. 8" of curvature over a mile is pretty difficult to detect.

Right now I do not think the Earth is flat, but I am researching it like crazy.

Please don't mistake research with reading shit on the internet.

Research: the systematic investigation into and study of materials and sources in order to establish facts and reach new conclusions.

So then I'm sure you'll be happy to share your discoveries regarding the enigmas of the moon?

No Id prefer not to.

Why not? It's weird that you don't feel like sharing your research with people interested to hear about it.

Why even bring it up then?

Because you are just going to mock me, and I just got home from work and want to relax.

I share tons of stuff here all the time. But if it just for a bunch of people to jump and mock me, what is the point?

It was just a simple question, if you don't want to discuss it then why bring it up in the first place ...

Well I did want to and then when you responded, I changed my mind.

Okay, so nothing then ... research is effectively useless if you don't share it with people.

Oh well

"In vain have you acquired knowledge if you have not imparted it to others." ... at least we know where you stand.

I impart my knowledge all day every day. Just this time, I am not choosing to do so.

Quote still applies ... sorry that I don't meet your elite criteria for who you share knowledge with. Strangely selective.

You mean you are clearly a sh*ll. Better change your username soon.

No need to call people names. I was politely asking you a question, your petty defensiveness is seriously off-putting.

If you don't want to share your knowledge just say so. It's just strange that you would willingly bring it up then be unwilling to discuss it. Seriously fucking weird.

I dont want to and you are always replying to my comments 24/7

... and you're always replying to mine.

Really strange, bringing up something 'enigmatic' you don't want to discuss on a conspiracy forum. Very odd.

It is that amazing

Yes, the moon is amazing. Thank you for finally sharing.

Lol

I'm just happy you finally shared your knowledge and that we agree on it to be honest. I also find the moon to be amazing, so thank you, not sure why it took so long though ... still strange, but at least we found our way!

Lol.....

This is one of the things I find amazing about the moon:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/moon-life-tides/

It's a great question ... again, thanks for bringing it up.

Here is another amazing moon fact:

http://www.wbu.com/chipperwoods/photos/moon.htm

Thanns

Eric Dubay does a great job trying to prove a lack of curvature by using observable and measurable experiments.

He provides evidence of Flat Earth belief throughout history but doesn't try to claim we're in a dome or anything other than what he can actually prove.

Eric Dubay does a great job trying to prove a lack of curvature by using observable and measurable experiments.

He may do a great job trying to prove it, but he consistently fails to do so.

And if (100% sure) it were false, it would dissuade people from considering pedogate/911/OKC/War/JFK/everyfuckingthingelse.

You'd be a useful idiot to spread it.

Flat earth society is disinformation meant to be used exactly how you just used them. And why and how the #@$/ would people give up looking at any and all conspiracy theory just because one may be wrong?!

Now forgive me if I'm wrong, but don't celestial bodies of planetary size have to be a sphere due to the effects of gravity on their formations during their creation? I'm not much of a physics nerd but for the Earth as well as other planets (which in my observations never seem to be mentioned, just the Earth) to be flat just seems a tad preposterous to me. Also, for those saying that it's all a ruse for the government, how so? I'm a paranoid bastard about some things but I can't find any logical or reasonable reason why exactly the government would try to take something such as a flat Earth and repress it so much. Maybe so scientists can get some grants but those aren't even worth much money and the scientists involved practically get pocket change unless if you're someone like Neil DeGrasse Tyson.

And you think the flat earth theory is not based on a hell of a lot of assumptions?

Here is an example. They claim the sun is three thousand miles away floating above the surface of a flat earth following a circular path around the "equator".

What keeps the sun up? What accelerates it through these circles?

The accepted theory is that the Earth is being accelerated around the sun by the sun's gravity. It is travelling too fast to fall onto the sun, but too slow to escape the sun and fly off into space. The combination of the earth's velocity and the sun's gravity keeps the earth in orbit around the sun. Likewise, the moon is kept in orbit around the earth by the combination of the moon's velocity and the earth's gravity.

What is the "flat earth" explanation? As far as I have seen, they have none. They simply assume it does what they need it to do for their model to appear to work. They can't actually explain how it does it.

That's why their model fails.

It's insane how much energy you have put into this thread alone. You're just as obsessed as someone who believes in it.

My explanation is the current model suggests we're insignificant. We're on a planet rotating and flying through infinite darkness.

The Flat Earth suggests the Earth is the center of the universe, which in my opinion, implies intelligent design. Mainstream science will have you believe everything is random. Fact is, there is absolutely no explanation for the creation of human consciousness.

Also, NASA gets over $50million a day and is asking for more to go to Mars. Clear fincacial incentive right there.

The Flat Earth suggests the Earth is the center of the universe, which in my opinion, implies intelligent design.

The "flat earth" implies there is no universe, and all of it is just fakery to make us think there is. The real hoax is being perpetrated by god, apparently.

Just like the other intelligent design arguments, god is trying to trick us into thinking we're on an ancient planet in a vast universe by planting fake dinosaur fossils and creating fake stars.

Seriously, if that is true, god is an asshole.

Umm.. or maybe the real hoax would be perpetrated by Satan, ya know, the king of deception and lies, fallen angel here on earth, banished from the Kingdom, worshipped by the illuminati

Umm.. or maybe the real hoax would be perpetrated by Satan, ya know, the king of deception and lies, fallen angel

So satan made the earth, the "firmament" and the stars? Because it is observations of those things that tell us we live on a spherical planet surrounded by a vast universe.

Someone made this place look like something it's not, and the bible claims god made it, so if we believe the bible then god is the one trying to trick us.

"The real hoax is being perpetrated by god, apparently.'

You mean crooked governments and scientists with an agenda? I don't believe god is a white male with a big beard and lightning bolts if that's what you think. There are very different interpretations of intelligent design.

I'm genuinely curious what you believe in. What created the elements necessary for the Big Bang?

Well, let me start by saying the "Big Bang" theory is a pseudo-scientific creation myth invented by a Catholic priest. As a theory, it is so full of holes that it admits it can't explain the vast majority of the universe.

I believe the universe is infinite in all four dimensions. It never had a beginning, a moment of creation, and thus there is no creator. Nothing made the universe, it just is.

What the physicists call the "big bang" is just an artifact of the limit of our ability to see this infinite universe, derived from a misunderstanding of how light works.

Even Edwin Hubble said that his observations are better explained by a hitherto unknown property of light which causes it to lose energy over vast distances and times. In his mind, "redshift" did not mean movement, it meant light was losing energy.

But even if our tiny part of the universe did expand from a point, that doesn't mean it was the beginning of the universe. It just means it was the beginning of our tiny part of it.

In an infinite universe, every event - no matter how unlikely - will happen because there are an infinite number of places and an infinite amount of time for it to happen.

We just happen to be part of one of those extremely unlikely but ultimately inevitable random chances.

So in other words,

1. I don't like feeling alone, we must be the center of the universe

And

1. Science can't completely explain X right now, therefor god.

Wow where have I heard these groundbreaking arguments before 🤔🤔🤔

If the Earth were flat the gravity would be unstable and the moon wouldn't orbit in the way it does, it would have probably collided with Earth by now. All the other planets and moons are spherical, I highly doubt Earth is a random large blue piece of paper floating in space.

Nikola tesla bruh.

Not a flat-earther myself, but part of the theory is that space itself is fake which is why NASA fakes basically everything they do.

Because I own a telescope. I can see other planets, their moons, track their orbits, etc. The solar system is what it is. Planets are round, and they orbit the sun, another round thing. Moons are also round and orbit planets. You can see this with your own eyes.

A good pair of binoculars or a cheap telescope will allow you to see Jupiter and the 4 largest moons; the Galilean moons.

You can see 3D object with your telescope?

Planets rotate ya know.

Did you really need someone to tell you that?

So does a coin, when you flip it. That shit aint a sphere.

That is flipping, not rotating. Let me guess, mars is flat too? So is the moon? Basketballs are flat too.

Seriously, no one can honestly believe flat earth/etc. It is a fun mental exercise for bored teens but beyond that is just sad.

Coins spin.

Let me guess, mars is flat too

Maybe? I've never been to Mars, have you?

Basketballs are flat too.

No? Who said they were?

It is a fun mental exercise for bored teens but beyond that is just sad.

Why?

http://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round#page-4

Your first ever comment on conspiracy.

I've been here before with other accounts, and I think I have with toys one. I like to follow the sub but I rarely comment. In a casual observer.

I was able to see this with a point and shoot camera

Love that familiar site.

You own a telescope so the earth is round. There we go, okay.

And you're an idiot so it's flat, despite all science in the world, okay.

Buy a weather balloon, pop a camera and a GPS on it and let it fly. Retrieve, and then see for yourself.

there are several DogCam videos that show a flat horizon from a great height.

And what were the details of the lenses used?

If they had a very narrow field of view, they would need to be at a much greater height to show the curvature, if they had a wider field of view, they would likely introduce distortion into the image that could cause the horizon to look concave, flat or convex, depending on the angle the camera is facing.

It is very difficult to take any photo as proof of curvature or lack of curvature without knowing the precise details of the lens and the altitude the photo was taken at.

there are several DogCam videos that show a flat horizon from a great height. Have you seen them?

I think you're misinformed. The horizon is always flat (or rather: level), yes, on a spherical planet: You're looking from a vantage point and onto a circle going around you. That's level.

How do I know? One way is the existence of an horizon. My observations of the horizon are not explained by the flat earth theory and can only be explained by a spherical earth.

Yes, I know the flat earthers talk about perspective and vanishing points, but they are wrong.

When I am at sea level, I can only see a few miles in any direction. When I climb to the top of a large hill I can see further. When I go up in an airliner I can see for hundreds of miles.

My eyes don't change based on altitude. My eyesight doesn't get better.

The only possible explanation for this is the fact I'm standing on a very large sphere where the surface is curving down away from me in every direction. The only shape which fits that description is a sphere.

On a flat earth where the limit of my vision is determined by perspective, I would not be able to see further simply by moving to the top of a hill.

On a flat earth where the limit of my vision is determined by perspective, I would not be able to see further simply by moving to the top of a hill.

Seriously? You believe the Earth is spherical and rotating because you can see further at a higher elevation?

Why would that not be possible on a Flat Earth?

Here is why

At the top is a flat earth. On a flat earth I should be able to see as far as there is land to see, because it is always in view.

At the bottom is a spherical earth, however, I can only see as much land as the distance to the horizon, because the rest of it is hidden behind the curvature.

On flat earth, when I go higher, I don't see more land, because I could already see it all.

On spherical earth, when I go higher, less land is hidden behind the curve so I can see more of it.

The flat earthers try to explain this by saying that my eyesight is limited by the vanishing point, but that wouldn't change when I climb to the top of a hill, so I should still see the same distance.

We know this is not the case, and people can see a lot further simply by going higher, which proves our vision is not limited by the vanishing point, but instead is limited by the curvature of the earth.

You really made no sense here at all but you sounded good

No sense, eh? But you can't refute my argument?

The horizon disproves a spherical earth. It's so simple. As you increase in altitude, on a ball earth the horizon would always lower in all directions. Always. It never does.

This video will show you simple, easy to understand animations of what the horizon would look like on a ball.

https://youtu.be/cJBG3H7BTNk

As you increase in altitude, on a ball earth the horizon would always lower in all directions. Always. It never does

OK, so you admit the horizon will drop. You can't back out now. If I show a video that proves the horizon drops, then you have to admit the earth is not flat... right?

Here is the proof

And just in case you refuse to watch the video, here are some screenshots that prove the horizon drops the higher you go.

Horizon at about 5,000 feet altitude

Horizon at about 21,000 feet altitude

Horizon at about 34,000 feet altitude

So, given your assertion that this is only possible on a spherical earth, are you now willing to admit the earth is a sphere?

Or are you going to claim this video was faked?

You can't back out now.

Sure I can. You're incorrigible, no matter what proof is given to you. I'm backing out like Homer in his hedges (where's that gif?).....

LOL... Your claim was thoroughly debunked, so now you're going to run away.

Pathetic.

We all know how stupid Homer is. You do a very good impression.

Not the brightest bulb but universally beloved. That is me!

Very simple test:

Tierra Del Fuego's longest day. Any one can confirm it. You don't need any special equipment or lots of money. Just drive on down or fly or get a livestream and you will see that it is too long for a flat earth.

Done.

The earth isn't flat and anyone who believes it is has issues.

I've never been to outer space. I've never experienced the curvature of the Earth. I don't feel like I am moving at a gazillion miles an hour around a hot ball of gas.

That means literally nothing at all.

So, in my reality, I just have no fucking clue what shape the Earth is, and if you KNOW for sure one way or the other then I would love to hear how you know.

That you are asking that here is part of the problem. Literally just do some googling. Pick up a book. Book a flight "AROUND" the world.

If people long long ago could figure out without even a tenth of the tech we have then you should probably be able to, if you actually want to, figure it out.

Questioning something implies "issues", okay.

You provided no evidence, no argument.. we have picked up books, we have flown around the world.. it is still able to be questioned.

Do you know how many "facts" have been paid for?

You discredit him for asking a question without providing meaningful evidence yourself, simply "do what you've already done".. in his reality, he has no seen the proof with certainty and it is fair to ask a question.

People don't see proof because they don't want it. Takes all the fun out of their game.

http://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round#page-4

That you are asking that here is part of the problem.

Are you seriously saying that asking questions in r/conspiracy of all places is a problem? Are you lost?

The globe model is the real conspiracy. Did you know the first globe model was made in the 1400s using the azimuthal equidistant flat model, 400 years before satellites?

Gravity is a freemason theory used to support another freemason theory (big bang) which is used to support another freemason theory (evolution). You can't prove theories with theories, it's a convoluted mess of lies

NASA is a joke, using tethers, underwater tanks, green screens and parabolic flights to simulate weightlessness and they are the proof?

Did you know the first globe model was made in the 1400s using the azimuthal equidistant flat model, 400 years before satellites?

Fucking NASA and their time machines...

Did you know the first globe model was made in the 1400s

Uhh...

The sphericity of the Earth was established by Greek astronomy in the 3rd century BC, and the earliest terrestrial globe appeared from that period. The earliest known example is the one constructed by Crates of Mallus in Cilicia (now Çukurova in modern-day Turkey), in the mid-2nd century BC.

This entire post is just reverse sociology, and really bad -dropped out of school two semesters in when they closed the local trader joes- bad.

Do you have ANY scientific research to back up your claims? Whatsoever ? That's rhetorical because you clearly know nothing about our solar system or even how gravity works.

Straw man argument ? Atleast you read the manual first I'll commend you on that, but still provide no proof of YOUR own claims ?

Dude didn't claim anything at all. He's just asking questions. Why are you so intent on being nasty?

If you care anything about the levity of what's actually happening in current events this exact argument is decisive, wether it's "asking questions" or not, still discredits people speaking publicly about real lies and corruption that actually affects our way of life not the shape of the fucking earth? How does keeping that a secret benefit anyone? Only thing advantageous to this argument is to discredit people who question actual corruption and lies.

Okay so just because you and I are more focused on the corruption among the elite doesn't mean you should shit all over the OP for questioning other stuff. This is r/conspiracy not r/onlyoneconspiracy. There are plenty of people here with differing views and interests.

I'm not shitting on anyone? Would you rather me pat him on the back and tell him good job? You should be a politician with those skills of yours, trying appease/relate to me but right after discrediting me for being a truth seeker?

Pardon me, but I don't see you as a truth seeker if you're trying to shut down someone who is genuinely asking questions.

Pardon me for trying to expose people who are Actively trying to discredit ACTUAL issues..?

Everyone needs to see it for themselves before they 'know'. Until you have seen the round earth, one can only speculate.

It's 50/50. Half flat and half globe. It all about compromise fellas

Maybe you're joking, but you may be somewhat right. Maybe a mound earth could solve a lot of problems with both models: mostly flat but a very slight curvature from Arctic to Antarctic "ring." Or put the typical flat earth map on a much larger sphere, a giant earth which is mostly hidden from us. That or this shit is as concave as a giant bowl, who knows?

The best part is that you can take some of the 'proofs' of each and infuse them onto the opposite argument, and watch the world go nuts!

It is nuts, though. There seems to be some problems with all these models, but also good points for each, too. I lean definitely away from the commonly taught 8000 mile wide spinning ball for sure, the earth definitely appears flat, but I've brieflly looked into concave and hollow earth and there are good points for those too. Maybe the earth appears to be whatever you think it is!

List some problems with the oblate spheroid model?

It seems like some of these FErs just want to be defiant in a way. It CAN'T be a sphere because that's what we're told, but any other option is 100% possible.

It's a cylinder, really.

How the hell can this have a hundred 22 comments and be at zero. Our votes and the way they are reflected on this sub are a fucking travesty anymore.

I like your post. I realized the same thing a few weeks ago. I do not know if the earth is flat or round. I just know what I've been told. But how do I know that is the truth?

So I admit, I don't know if we are flat or round.

I am an amateur astronomer and a connoiseur of pop science and all kinds of intellectualist nonsense. there are many arenas in which I have observed evidence for the Earth's being spherical (or an oblate spheroid.)

that is how I personally "know" what the Earth's shape is. but if you want to get into epistemology, well, then. have at it. we could be here for days.

Around 500 years ago they started accurately measuring the land. A 66' chain, stakes and a theodolite.

An acre is one chain by 10 chains.

Areas that were hard to access could be measured by triangulation. Everything got measured. Rivers mountains... everything.

When this data was compiled and compared errors occurred. Euclidian geometry did not work.

Once spherical math was utilized these errors disappeared.

And the size of this sphere? Only a few percent off what Eratosthenes calculated some 2200 years ago with one distance and two angles.

In high school physics we repeated the math involved.

So either all maps are a lie or the earth is a sphere. We knew this for fact long before we went to space or NASA was created.

Check my comment history

I have experienced the curvature of the earth on mountains, skyscrapers and airplanes.

This is just fucking insane. What is this mass collective brain damage ?

People looking into flat earth for more than 5 mins without simultaneously laughing and cringing at such a ridiculously broken and preposterous model. It beggars belief that anyone who can type words, spell, use technology, can actually 'believe' in the Flat Earth theory. It's a true phenomenon, and says a lot about humanity as a whole. These people can vote ffs, it's actually terrifying how smugly ignorant human beings can be.

In my latest podcast, we do an in-depth x-ray of the growing online community of flat earthers. http://realnewstandard.com/10-flat-earth/

If you have spent this much time trying to figure it out...you are doing something terribly wrong.

You're doing the right thing. Some people on here would have you believe the government lies to you about everything but space.

Coins spin.

Let me guess, mars is flat too

Maybe? I've never been to Mars, have you?

Basketballs are flat too.

No? Who said they were?

It is a fun mental exercise for bored teens but beyond that is just sad.

Why?

Pardon me, but I don't see you as a truth seeker if you're trying to shut down someone who is genuinely asking questions.

That land surveyor post was really weird. It seemed like someone got him to post it, but then he made a fool of himself by not backing anything up, saying 3 miles was the utmost longest distance he ever worked with, and didn't refute a single flat earth argument. I wonder who puts these people up to that kind of thing. Who pays anti-flat earth shills?

The moon itself is an enigma!

No it isn't.

Because you are just going to mock me, and I just got home from work and want to relax.

I share tons of stuff here all the time. But if it just for a bunch of people to jump and mock me, what is the point?

I dont want to and you are always replying to my comments 24/7