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Interesting theory.

Is this the same issue that resulted in a recall of like ~2.5 million vehicles for a "sticking accelerator pedal" or is this a new issue?

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/02/04/toyota-dealer-shows-us-fix-for-sticking-accelerator-pedals/

Pretty sure that is what they are referring to.

Well fuck the CIA even if they weren't involved

Literally the biggest threat in America to the American way of life. It is a rogue agency that lives beyond the law.

JFK tried to rein them in.

He couldn't keep his head together for it though.

Twas a real brain scrambler.

So he leaned back and let someone else clean up the mess

I think it's worthwhile to note that it ended poorly for him. Something's got to give.

WTF Spoilers?! Now I don't even want to watch the movie.

This is applicable in every situation.

Yessuh

Yeah fuck the CIA!

They are and always have been the right arm of the Illuminati.

Toyota switched to nasty plastic bodied accelerator assemblies.

saved a penny or two in production, and killed X number of people in the process.

Yeah I'm not defending them.

And if you look through the fix for the accelerator issue you'll actually see how acceleration is controlled by electrical signals anyway. The pedals have a mechanism that simulates throttle feedback.

So the possibility of the CIA being able to hijack the car probably wasn't affected by the recall.

I have to say all the Somali refugees in my city have Toyota minivans.

You didn't have to say that at all. In fact you could've easily not said it. It added nothing and I don't think anyone knows what you're even trying to say

Right. I'm used to relative thinkers.

Broad stroke that no one knows what I'm talking about.

Maybe some do.

Hmmmm. 🤔

As another pointed out, there were millions of cars that were affected by this. That's not a very specific test. But it's possible. I've thought the same about the Note 7 explosions.

"Millions were affected" as in there were millions of cars functionally similar to the cars that malfunctioned. Not that millions of cars suffered the malfunction.

Fair point

The acceleration issue due to floor mats catching the pedal?

That's the one hahah

That's right, better recall 2.5 million of them because of matt placement.

Hey but at least now we have a secret murder weapon!

Its legit. I drive one and i never got it fixed. The mat rides up and if the top of the mat is in the exact right spot, the gas pedal can wedge behind the top of the mat.

Sorry lol i was being sarcastic. I understand man

Matt Placement sounds like a superhero residential retailer

I saw a guy get in an accident because of this. He actually spun in the middle of the road! When we asked what happened, he said the floor mat got stuck and he was accelerating too fast. He slammed on the brakes, pulled the emergency brake and tried to steer towards the shoulder which is when he spun. The spin and frantic brake pressing dislodged the mat, whereby he stopped very abruptly.

Why didn't he just turn the key off?

He was like 70, I was impressed he didn't hit the median.

You cant turn the key off unless it's in park.

Or neutral

You can but only to shut the motor off. The key will remain stuck in the accessory position until you shift out of drive.

That's not true.

No you absolutely can turn off the engine with the key or the button. It may stay in acc but the engine WILL turn off. And this is a important safety feature you should know about.

Toyota was warned about the problem ,they ignored it.

So, the CIA is sneaking into cars and swapping out the mats? Bastards.

There was a crazy 911 call I listened to the other day where a couple had called in because they were doing 130 mph and the throttle was stuck and the brakes went out. I wonder what happened to their car. Can't recall the model either

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I think I heard a podcast about this, and how sometimes it's as simple as the driver confusing the brake and the accelerator. The podcast explained it better than that, but essentially, the person thought the brakes were disconnected, but they were actually pressing the gas the whole time.

http://revisionisthistory.com/episodes/08-blame-game

Thanks, pretty sure it was exactly that one.

But they do know it was an issue and him not pressin the brakes right

Except the part where this was actually caused by old people hitting the wrong pedal.

So, old people only drive Toyotas?

whut?

There's never been any evidence that this happens any more often with Toyotas than with any other car. There is a trend, though, that it disproportionately effects older drivers. How to explain this?

I would never buy a car made after like 2010 give or take a couple years. Especially not one with any kind of computer inside it. I'm not paying $25,000 so the government can spy on me more and even kill me if they wanted to.

Really you'd need to go back to cars older than 97 to avoid all the electronics

Dang CIA floormats.....

People are idiots. The ones that are into conspiracies are just easier to spot.

Took $4.5b to develop them. It'd be a waste of tax payers money to not use a few.

So instead of buying a toyota and testing it with a cia driver ... they have to use an innocent person? Why?

So that they can gauge the public reaction to a 'malfunction' accident, in event that they want to target someone else in the future.

It also brought all kinds of investigations and regulations that didnt exist before, kind of a wash

It certainly knocked Toyota down a peg or two, and the end result was that they now give you "free" service for the first two years of a new car purchase (which basically amounts to four oil changes).

Because a lot of people around these parts are actually retarded and don't understand how ridiculous some of the shit they say is.

They apparently don't care about innocent people.

It's not about whether they care or not... it's about what it achieves

True. Which shows that they don't care about anything.

What haven't they tested on innocent people?

Missing the point entirely

Instead of proclaiming about how I've "missed" the point, wouldn't you rather elaborate upon your point?

I have a Toyota that was recalled over this sudden acceleration thing. Apparently the "fix" for this is they saw off an inch of your gas pedal, so that it has no chance of getting stuck on the floor mat.

Yea good luck hacking this thing the only technology is the radio lol. Tbh I always felt like the acceleration issue was due to the ac. Whenever I turned the ac on/off the car would jump a little bit. It wasn't much but it was enough to make me nervous behind another car at a red light.

Yeah theres no way anybody is hacking my 4runner.

TBH I dont think there ever was an acceleration issue. I think the whole thing was caused by a handful of drugged out senior citizens driving Priuses in someplace like Florida, and they didnt realize they were slamming their foot down on the gas pedal and not the brakes. Theres no way my gas pedal could possibly catch on my floor mats.

it was a sloppy mechanical redesign, switch from metal to plastic.

Well I mean if you can make the radio play at a certain frequency, the sound waves could possibly target certain pedals/knobs. Or warp parts of the engine.

That isn't how electronics work.

You are correct. Really not a conspiracy. Although Michael H. would be a different story.

a conspiracy of penny pinching and not acknowledging a problem and recalling, when customers were dying and consumer groups were screaming.

In 2003 more of that car's engine and transmission systems are computerized. The biggest one is the throttle body and throttle position sensor which are drive by wire. For those not in the know, drive by wire is a system where the gas pedal is not connected directly to the throttle body and is a stepper motor controlled by the pedal input. If it's an automatic then it's also computer controlled, but those systems are, essentially, closed systems and only accessible by a OBDII scanner/reader.

My 2003 Sienna has a throttle cable.

that story/stories never made any sense to me. why not just turn off the car? or shift into neutral? or even slamming on the bakes of most cars will stop you even if the pedal pushed.

Be careful if you start digging into it.

why not just turn off the car? or shift into neutral?

Because a lot of people aren't capable of responding to crisis rationally in the necessary window of actionable time.

Same reason why when people start to hydroplane (cough^{my wife}cough), they slam on the brakes for some reason. A lot of people just lose the ability to make split-second decisions in situations they weren't expecting.

There's has also been a pattern of German luxury cars suddenly catching on fire in garages at 3:00am.

I'm not even sure 2010 Toyotas had freaking bluetooth and you want me to believe that the CIA was remotely hacking everyday random peoples cars to make them go faster? Come on man, its shit like this that people laugh at this sub for. At least provide even the slightest bit of circumstantial evidence to make a connection, not just "I bet that was the CIA..."

yes I most definitely have and it said nothing about the CIA being able to control 2010 Toyotas. The documents literally stated that they were investigating remote control of connected cars, but did not definitively state anything about what sort of progress they may have made yet. Everyone blew that aspect way out of proportion without reading what it actually was. I dont doubt that they have some types of hacks with specific makes and models, but to think that the CIA can just remotely control any car, especially cheap toyotas from 7 years ago, you dont have any evidence to back that up on.

That was a horric time. That crash was near san diego i remember hearing the 911 call and thought why wouod they release that audio. How awful.

Except in this case it was a bug in the drive by wire code where no one tested for all possible combinations.

This was exactly at the time the feds were trying to "save" General Motors.

I always thought it was odd that the number one competitor to GM was all of the sudden having mystery problems.

That thought sure crossed my mind at that time as well.

Or how VW was going to be worlds biggest automaker then pollution scandal.

It is a mystery to me that people think things are "fair"

(Or that much can be done about it)

If unwanted acceleration ever happens to anyone, put the car in Neutral, and hit the brakes. Putting it in Neutral will disengage the engine from the transmission, and even if the accelerator is stuck for whatever reason, you're car will just rev up, without actually accelerating. If you just press the brakes, it won't be enough to actually stop the car.

Yeah, then they exploded all the evidence in the Tianjin blast.

This isn't a Toyota but a story of a pdevastating, strange case of a woman accelerating for an unknown reason. No one could figure out what happened. One little boy lost his life. Two adults were seriously injured.

When I originally read this, I wondered if the vehicle was hacked.

http://m.penbaypilot.com/article/district-attorney-rushlau-issues-reasons-not-filing-charges-horrific-port-clyde-accident

This wasn't due to hacking, but simply the drivers pressing the acceleration when they thought they were pressing the brakes. Black box analysis from all crashed Toyotas that supposedly had - as you call them - "hacked" brakes shows that they were never engaged at all. Simply put, Toyotas had brakes strong enough to stop the car even when the acceleration was floored or stuck. But, the drivers got confused and the media just ran with it.

Pretty sure that is what they are referring to.

That's the one hahah

That's right, better recall 2.5 million of them because of matt placement.

People are idiots. The ones that are into conspiracies are just easier to spot.

It also brought all kinds of investigations and regulations that didnt exist before, kind of a wash

Took $4.5b to develop them. It'd be a waste of tax payers money to not use a few.

I saw a guy get in an accident because of this. He actually spun in the middle of the road! When we asked what happened, he said the floor mat got stuck and he was accelerating too fast. He slammed on the brakes, pulled the emergency brake and tried to steer towards the shoulder which is when he spun. The spin and frantic brake pressing dislodged the mat, whereby he stopped very abruptly.

Really you'd need to go back to cars older than 97 to avoid all the electronics

Toyota switched to nasty plastic bodied accelerator assemblies.

saved a penny or two in production, and killed X number of people in the process.

Toyota was warned about the problem ,they ignored it.

So, the CIA is sneaking into cars and swapping out the mats? Bastards.

So he leaned back and let someone else clean up the mess