The conspiracy of organized religions.

18  2017-06-15 by justinjoker2389

I want to ask a simple question that I was curious to see what other people think on the matter. So for as long as there have been humans there have been all kinds of groups: cults, druids, shamans, priests, nuns, monks, Buddhas, etc all with the opinion that their group is proper to follow for "x,y,z" reason and people gravitate to whoever one for whichever reason. This being said people continue for generations to follow their groups and all while none of the groups ever really present or offer any form of evidence, kind of blindly following and just hoping things are how their higher ups tell them it is in the end. I want to know from you guys, who or what would be behind these groups of people and what would be their purpose if it's all just make believe anyways? Hopefully I didn't confuse y'all too badly but I was just trying to make this easy to read and understand. This isn't a religion debate, it's a thread regarding how are these things able to go on for so long and people still follow them and who is behind them and why.

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Also, I do realize most people will likely say for control reasons over a certain demographic but I was hoping someone else might have something better.

Social control is the most obvious mundane explanation. But, as it turns out, I just wrote up a post today that might sugget "something better": subliminal consent in reality-creation.

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I will check out your post.

The part that is relevant to your question is towards the end. When I wrote the last part I was thinking more of modern mainstream culture (movies, music, etc.) but institutional religion would have been the "older" version of this technology.

I don't think there is nefarious intent just that nefarious consequences are produced because of them. There is much ambiguity on what happens after death, we would like to believe it all means something, it a rather comforting illusion..

Yeah, I get you. I'm 28 and both of my parents are dead (41 yrs old in 2006) (49 years old in 2017) and with both of them gone I've thought for just about every day now if I'd ever see them again. I am a realist though so I do not subscribe to anything faith based. That's a hell of a thing to realize.

hmmm. fuck. feel you.

I don't think spirituality itself is evil, but the people who set up religions do conpire to control a large amount of people for the sake of their own power, It's no different than a politician I would even say It's very similar.

Yeah it's very similar.

Well I think the Abrahamic religions, and most organized religions are a control system. The one that converts the most followers will be the one that the NWO uses, and right now I'm thinking thats going to be Islam since they are hyper-militaristic and will kill non-believers. Most people who refuse to convert will die, and the rest will convert out of fear or a desire to live with privileges. Now I believe spirituality and the original message of Jesus Christ is real, whether you get that from mushrooms, prayer, or whatever. But that is something you don't have to pay for, and it is unique to you. You can experience the love of God, and be apart of the divine, we all can, and I think this is the most rebellious thing in the world. Organized religions want to trap you in a system, and prevent you from experiencing the divinity.

Yeah Islam view points can get pretty aggressive fast in regards to not agreeing with them. Being trapped can be associated with organization in the sense that it's all set up to lure you in as prey, just like hunting.

The whole nature of Islam is tribalism. the thing about abrahamic religions is that they needed to be, since the Middle East was a tough place compared to places like India.

True, while there are many different groups to join and choose from there are also groups of people primarily tribes who have no outside contact with anyone and they are totally oblivious to all else. I just find that interesting.

This is true, but what I was talking about is the us vs them mentality that these groups harbour for one another. You either follow their rules, identify as one of them, worship only their god or prophets, marry within the group otherwise you are the enemy. Hindus, many pagans, druids, buddhists, can all worship other gods within their religions, marry whoever, and etc. They are definitely not as restrictive as the Abrahamic religions. Resources were scarce in the Middle East, and in group preference was definitely an adaptation to survive in the harsh environment.

Right, I'm with you. Getting in where you can fit in and trying to not ruffle too many feathers and do what your told. I like this sub because people from all over the world can come together and think tank things together.

And also if you took away all the groupings, titles, biases, opinions, and dividers, were all human and that's all we'll ever be. Knowing that it's a hard pill to swallow in that so many different things negatively are impacting our world because of organized religions.

I'd like to think that if we were truly free of the political agendas and control, we would all work together to the benefit of everyone. But what do I know haha!

Right exactly. I think within the next 20 years we will reach critical mass and we will either be freed of slavery to a very few people or we will be further enslaved.

Money and power. Always was, always is and always will be.

Yeah, I think now we're beginning to really see the power aspect trump the money. With enough power you don't need money.

I would say that organized religion exists for people who a) crave clear, established and handed down from above rules about right and wrong; and b) have a very low tolerance for the inherent ambiguity and mystery of the universe.

I view religious texts as interpretations of the divine. Even if rooted spiritual truth, the human interpretation is what drags it into the realm of our imperfect selves, which is why religion sometimes serves the greater but is so easily wielded as a weapon of mass destruction. I don't see any of them as immune in this respect, other than indigenous belief systems, which tend to take a more humble view of humanity's place in the universe. Other than that, the radicalizing variable in all religions seems to be access to the basic elements of living, i.e. food, water, education, etc.

Religions have gone on for so long because there's a lot you can learn from them. What is behind them is most likely whatever came up with the knowledge the religions possess. The point is to help humans.

help hurts bro.

Thats an interesting question... Whats fascinating is when I read any religious texts, I see it completely different then the person that followed the "organized" religion. Their interpretation doesnt make sense to me unless I go and look up the etymology of the words they use, but then that doesnt even make sense to them

Completely weird

Right similar to how you have study groups on a certain book that claims to basically have a all known idea and then at the end of it most everyone in the study has their own interpretation, right?

when there is live after death (Abrahamic religions), killing other people is actually doing them a favor, they well be in heaven and you too for being good christian or muslim

Right that's where the conspiracy part of me comes out.

normalcy bias. cognitive dissonance. obedience, dependence, discipline, judgement, fear. Inadequacy. uhhmk?

Personally I love George Carlin and I think he was a very sharp and aware man that spoke the truth. I'm not sure if this is appropriate to link this here in this conspiracy sub but I think there a few good things to incorporate with my post.

https://youtu.be/8r-e2NDSTuE

It's not all make-believe. A lot of it is proto-science. Jews were told not to eat shellfish or pork, because it would probably make them sick. Muslims fasted in the spring because that's when they would run out of food anyways. At the same time, ancient Egyptians and Romans would hold religious festivals in which the wealthy would open their stores and give food away. Catholics are good at incorporating beneficial practices from other religions, and flat-out making up new ones -- eating fish on Fridays because fish is cheap protein almost everywhere, but an acquired taste.

Some of it is control, obviously. But most people are dumb and writing and education were not widespread until recently, so there is obviously selective pressure to play follow-the-leader.

I see what you mean. Those things are factual and provable. Me being a realist I can appreciate you bringing up some useful information. Those items are beneficial to all.

http://saturndeathcult.com

This site should clear up any questions you may have.

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Just commented about this same subject. Check out the below links to the Urantia Book. It explains how religions evolved throughout our history.

A person by the name Machiventa Melchizedek (Prince of Salem) arrived on Earth 1,973 years before Jesus. His teachings are the base of most religions, if not all.

Urantia book suggests that there are bits of truth in every religion, but no single religion has all the truth. We would be better suited to take the best examples from each, and combine them, versus focusing on the negative aspects of a particular religion.

Machiventa Melchizedek

Melchizedek teachings in Orient

Melchizedek teachings in Levant

yahweh

The spiritual truth of the world is found in the Bible, specifically the King James Bible if you're looking for it in English. Most if not all religions exist to confuse or outright deny this truth as it is given. At the root these false religions are Satanic. They seek to draw people away from God's plan into any other avenue that will lead to destruction.

Most false religions carry the same lies that the serpent told Eve in the garden. "Ye shall not surely die" and "ye shall be as gods knowing good and evil". Satan tells people that they won't surely die and that they can obtain godhood, typically through knowledge. This is echoed by most false religions that proclaim reincarnation and that people can evolve into higher beings, become "enlightened", or become one with God.

The other main attribute of these religions is the idea that you can work your way to heaven, or some kind of paradise/nirvana state. That by living a certain kind of life or doing enough good deeds, you can attain paradise. This is manifest in ideas such as karma or Catholicism's teachings of performing sacraments. These religions also tend to teach that any religion can bring someone to this paradise because there are many ways to achieve it.

This is directly contrary to everything in the Bible. The Bible teaches that there is one God and no other gods shall ever be formed. The Bible teaches that none are righteous and none can save themselves, there is only one path to eternal life, and that it cannot be achieved by works. It is a free gift contingent only on you accepting it as such. Understanding that it was paid for by Jesus Christ himself and that your works are meaningless to God in terms of salvation.

Organized religions that seek to control people cannot condone this truth because it removes the authority of the men who control them. It bars them from their ability to gatekeep people of their salvation/enlightenment and impose their own will. When people are assured by the scripture that they have everlasting life and can do with it whatsoever they choose, they are empowered to choose to do good. They know the truth, and the truth sets them free.

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6)

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. (Ephesians 2:8-9)

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. (John 5:24)

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? (John 11:25-26)

Yeah it's very similar.

Yeah, I think now we're beginning to really see the power aspect trump the money. With enough power you don't need money.

True, while there are many different groups to join and choose from there are also groups of people primarily tribes who have no outside contact with anyone and they are totally oblivious to all else. I just find that interesting.

This is true, but what I was talking about is the us vs them mentality that these groups harbour for one another. You either follow their rules, identify as one of them, worship only their god or prophets, marry within the group otherwise you are the enemy. Hindus, many pagans, druids, buddhists, can all worship other gods within their religions, marry whoever, and etc. They are definitely not as restrictive as the Abrahamic religions. Resources were scarce in the Middle East, and in group preference was definitely an adaptation to survive in the harsh environment.