Opposing Islamic immigration is not intolerance. It is OPPOSING intolerance because Islam is currently the most intolerant form of government and religion on earth.
Surely one should oppose islamism? Majid Nawaz makes good distinction between islam and Islamism. Basically islam is a private religion, islamism is anyone who wants to impose it over others
Literally all religions pick and choose what they listen to
Muslims choose to pick the beheading of infidels. That leads to problems. No other religion short of the Talmud teaches such violent actions towards people not of their religion.
The majority in the Middle East, Asia, and Africa do choose to implement beheadings and other violent teaches of their religion.
The Old Testament is Jewish. I have my opinions on Christianity and religion in general but for the most part Christians are peaceful and do not teach violence nor do they perpetrate violence.
For the most part, Islam is a monolithic religion. All of the Abrahamic/Monotheistic religions believe in the same God. As for the crusaders they were sent down because of the Muslim invaders. It was defensive not offensive.
Abortion is murder. Not saying those people are justified but yeah. Also, how many cases of that have actually happened in modern time compared to the violence of Jews and Muslims?
Is Christianity a monolithic religion? No. Numerous different sects etc. Same with Islam.
Crusaders wanted to have a reconquest. If you're an apologist you could say it was defensive. Surely this Jewish violence is also defensive? They were there first. Nice hole you dug yourself. Also heard of the peasants crusade? Went through germany murdering jews and catholic priests who defended them
Thats your opinion to hold, but it's very much subjective so should be decided by the individual
All religions have the capacity to encourage a lot of violence, historically Christianity has been less tolerant than islam
Firstly Islam has more than 2 sects. Also within those sects there are major differences.
Secondly explain why it's nonsense, if you cant I'll have to assume that you aren't able to adequately rebutt my points. Tell me what's wrong with each point I bring up
Christians teach of conversion yes but through the peaceful act. If people do not want to convert the Christian has done their duty by at least trying to. It will be on the person they were trying to convert when judged by God.
You're playing a game you can't win. As long as you try to justify your views as congruent with progressive values, you're not only constantly on defense but you're also legitimizing progressive ideology. Total tolerance for all ideas and peoples is not a positive thing and you know it, but you still struggle to admit to intolerance.
This is why Republicans and mainstream Western conservatives are so easy to make fun of and won't succeed in the culture war. They pay half-assed lip service to liberal values like equality and tolerance and then immediately push the government to treat different people differently. They won't just come out and say, "I am intolerant. I distinguish between groups and assign them individual values accordingly." They're timid and they're hypocrites.
You're playing a game you can't win. As long as you try to justify your views as congruent with progressive values, you're not only constantly on defense but you're also legitimizing progressive ideology. Total tolerance for all ideas and peoples is not a positive thing and you know it, but you still struggle to admit to intolerance.
This is why Republicans and mainstream Western conservatives are so easy to make fun of and won't succeed in the culture war. They pay half-assed lip service to liberal values like equality and tolerance and then immediately push the government to treat different people differently. They won't just come out and say, "I am intolerant. I distinguish between groups and assign them individual values accordingly." They're timid and they're hypocrites.
Firstly it's 'Mohamedism' not 'Islam' - translate/define properly.
Yeah...no.
Its islam.
Until there are roving gangs of moderate islam in the streets to protect people from extermists (like christians have done often in history) then I am going to call all muslims Islamosts and attribute the worst of islam to all of them until they prove me wrong.
Christians teach of conversion yes but through the peaceful act. If people do not want to convert the Christian has done their duty by at least trying to. It will be on the person they were trying to convert when judged by God.
Is Christianity a monolithic religion? No. Numerous different sects etc. Same with Islam.
Crusaders wanted to have a reconquest. If you're an apologist you could say it was defensive. Surely this Jewish violence is also defensive? They were there first. Nice hole you dug yourself. Also heard of the peasants crusade? Went through germany murdering jews and catholic priests who defended them
Thats your opinion to hold, but it's very much subjective so should be decided by the individual
All religions have the capacity to encourage a lot of violence, historically Christianity has been less tolerant than islam
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n/a Terex80 2017-07-08
Surely one should oppose islamism? Majid Nawaz makes good distinction between islam and Islamism. Basically islam is a private religion, islamism is anyone who wants to impose it over others
n/a Jesuits_hate_spiders 2017-07-08
It is their religious duty to convert non Muslims. First peacefully if they are in the minority then by force if they are in the majority.
n/a Terex80 2017-07-08
Firstly that assumes muslims are monolithic, there are those who are fine for others to have their own faith or lack thereof
Also can be a liberal like majid
n/a Jesuits_hate_spiders 2017-07-08
Well, they are either ignorant of their own religion, lying, or really just non-practicing Muslims.
n/a Terex80 2017-07-08
Literally all religions pick and choose what they listen to
Also majid is bloody well educated in Islam, far more than either of us
n/a Jesuits_hate_spiders 2017-07-08
Muslims choose to pick the beheading of infidels. That leads to problems. No other religion short of the Talmud teaches such violent actions towards people not of their religion.
n/a Terex80 2017-07-08
Not all. Ignored my point.
Ah yeah, I remember all those times god didn't literally commit genocide in the old testament.
In practice religions happily support violence
n/a Jesuits_hate_spiders 2017-07-08
The majority in the Middle East, Asia, and Africa do choose to implement beheadings and other violent teaches of their religion.
The Old Testament is Jewish. I have my opinions on Christianity and religion in general but for the most part Christians are peaceful and do not teach violence nor do they perpetrate violence.
n/a Terex80 2017-07-08
I understand that, I'm saying it's not monolithic as a religion
Still the exact same God. Tell that to the crusaders, the bible belt who spawn the 'American Taliban' gleefully murdering abortion doctors.
Usually takes religion to make a good person into a monster
n/a Jesuits_hate_spiders 2017-07-08
For the most part, Islam is a monolithic religion. All of the Abrahamic/Monotheistic religions believe in the same God. As for the crusaders they were sent down because of the Muslim invaders. It was defensive not offensive.
Abortion is murder. Not saying those people are justified but yeah. Also, how many cases of that have actually happened in modern time compared to the violence of Jews and Muslims?
n/a Terex80 2017-07-08
Is Christianity a monolithic religion? No. Numerous different sects etc. Same with Islam.
Crusaders wanted to have a reconquest. If you're an apologist you could say it was defensive. Surely this Jewish violence is also defensive? They were there first. Nice hole you dug yourself. Also heard of the peasants crusade? Went through germany murdering jews and catholic priests who defended them
Thats your opinion to hold, but it's very much subjective so should be decided by the individual
All religions have the capacity to encourage a lot of violence, historically Christianity has been less tolerant than islam
n/a Jesuits_hate_spiders 2017-07-08
Islam has two sects.
The rest of what you said is nonsense, so I will not even bother.
n/a Terex80 2017-07-08
Firstly Islam has more than 2 sects. Also within those sects there are major differences.
Secondly explain why it's nonsense, if you cant I'll have to assume that you aren't able to adequately rebutt my points. Tell me what's wrong with each point I bring up
n/a Jesuits_hate_spiders 2017-07-08
What are they? I'm all ears.
n/a Terex80 2017-07-08
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_schools_and_branches
There you go, nice and easy to find.
Go on, explain why everything else was just wrong
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n/a jmflna 2017-07-08
The two main sects are Sunni and Shia but go ahead and say that I'm wrong about that and take another drink.
n/a Terex80 2017-07-08
Did you forget about this? Or can you just not admit you are completely wrong?
n/a CivilianConsumer 2017-07-08
Yup, nice summary. This is the truth and exactly what the Koran tells them to do.
n/a Chalcosoma-atlas 2017-07-08
Isn't it the duty of Christians to convert non-Christians? Should we be worried about them too?
n/a Jesuits_hate_spiders 2017-07-08
Christians teach of conversion yes but through the peaceful act. If people do not want to convert the Christian has done their duty by at least trying to. It will be on the person they were trying to convert when judged by God.
n/a Lord__Buckethead 2017-07-08
Very relevant for r/conspiracy where some posters are often very careful/sneaky around Judaism and Zionism.
But really this is just bait from r/The_Donald. Where funnily enough they couldn't even talk about the above if they wanted to.
n/a r-crow 2017-07-08
You're playing a game you can't win. As long as you try to justify your views as congruent with progressive values, you're not only constantly on defense but you're also legitimizing progressive ideology. Total tolerance for all ideas and peoples is not a positive thing and you know it, but you still struggle to admit to intolerance.
This is why Republicans and mainstream Western conservatives are so easy to make fun of and won't succeed in the culture war. They pay half-assed lip service to liberal values like equality and tolerance and then immediately push the government to treat different people differently. They won't just come out and say, "I am intolerant. I distinguish between groups and assign them individual values accordingly." They're timid and they're hypocrites.
n/a r-crow 2017-07-08
You're playing a game you can't win. As long as you try to justify your views as congruent with progressive values, you're not only constantly on defense but you're also legitimizing progressive ideology. Total tolerance for all ideas and peoples is not a positive thing and you know it, but you still struggle to admit to intolerance.
This is why Republicans and mainstream Western conservatives are so easy to make fun of and won't succeed in the culture war. They pay half-assed lip service to liberal values like equality and tolerance and then immediately push the government to treat different people differently. They won't just come out and say, "I am intolerant. I distinguish between groups and assign them individual values accordingly." They're timid and they're hypocrites.
n/a azzazaz 2017-07-08
I think i said that pretty clearly and explained why it wasnt intolerance to oppose those who are intolerant.
Dont get so stuck in labels. People dont follow or get inspired by labels . They following justice and what is right.
n/a jackosan 2017-07-08
Firstly it's 'Mohamedism' not 'Islam' - translate/define properly.
Secondly only shit interpretations are so intolerant- better understanding provides kinder forms.
Thirdly, define opposition and intolerance- you're walking a fine line.
Lastly. There are idiots everywhere. Neither they or us are really clear of sight.
n/a azzazaz 2017-07-08
Yeah...no.
Its islam.
Until there are roving gangs of moderate islam in the streets to protect people from extermists (like christians have done often in history) then I am going to call all muslims Islamosts and attribute the worst of islam to all of them until they prove me wrong.
n/a Jesuits_hate_spiders 2017-07-08
Christians teach of conversion yes but through the peaceful act. If people do not want to convert the Christian has done their duty by at least trying to. It will be on the person they were trying to convert when judged by God.
n/a Terex80 2017-07-08
Is Christianity a monolithic religion? No. Numerous different sects etc. Same with Islam.
Crusaders wanted to have a reconquest. If you're an apologist you could say it was defensive. Surely this Jewish violence is also defensive? They were there first. Nice hole you dug yourself. Also heard of the peasants crusade? Went through germany murdering jews and catholic priests who defended them
Thats your opinion to hold, but it's very much subjective so should be decided by the individual
All religions have the capacity to encourage a lot of violence, historically Christianity has been less tolerant than islam