Don't forget "This sub has gone to shit and is just T_D 2.0" from people who don't even post here.

I expect TopMindsfags as well. My hammer is ready.

(oooh downvoted in less than a minute - so spicy)

Fuck those people

Use the report function today and make note of them.

Zero tolerance for this shit today.

Thank you for your work man

Couldn't do it without you guys so thank you.

We're with you guys.

Likewise.

Report Function? What rules are they breaking? This ain't T_D, dissenting opinions are actually allowed here.

I've been told I'm not allowed here because I'm liberal.

There are plenty of Liberals here, you're more than welcome. But if you ignore evidence and do nothing but push an MSM narrative that would probably change for most.

It is interesting how users who support the Democratic narrative get banned, but users who support the Trump narrative become mods.

The left are brainwashed not us!!!!!!

Seriously, what is wrong with these people? Who the fuck questions evidence and conclusions reached by said evidence on a conspiracy forum? Fucking ctrblue man, I tell ya.

When they break the Rules use the report function.

Is it that hard to understand?

When they break the Rules When they give an opinion that the /r/conspiracy hivemind dislikes use the report function.

ftfy

Real talk, how is that sub even allowed? Don't reddit's tos explicitly prohibit brigading? I guess that's not the sub's intention but some of them do it anyway.

If I recall correctly there was a leak from admin chat logs showing mods in tmor are very good pals with admin people.

It was a while ago so I can't recall the specifics. May have been in one of these:

• Reddit Admin Slack Server Chat Logs (notice particular individual's actually admit to being paid CTR Shills) not to mention the obvious collusion against The Donald in these logs. Save and Share. CTR 100% CONFIRMED AND SPEZ KNEW THE WHOLE TIME
• LEAKED Reddit admin chat log reveals ban incoming for /r/The_Donald and maybe even /r/Conspiracy
• Someone leaked private convos between spez and reddit's power moderators. They're talking about tonight's drama
• Reddit Admin Chat Log has been leaked and it reveals u/spez already talking to others about how they might ban r/the_donald
• BASED CERNOVICH - Reddit admin slack chat leaked! Planning to shut down @thedonaldreddit! http://archive.is/ZmULb #RedditLeak

The rules only apply to subs the admins don't like

And my sickle.

Oh look: the brave mod ready to protect his domain of bullshit theories and circlejerking. How courageous

Removed. Rule 10. I wasn't kidding

What about rule one?

Rule 1 does not include TopMinds.

this is /r/conspiracy

Yes.

so rule one applies here, no?

Do you really think that I'm that dumb to not know what you're doing?

Yes. Yes I do.

Sucks for you.

What is that supposed to mean lol you're clearly breaking a rule you're enforcing on others.

Then report the offending comment and have a moderator take appropriate action?

Im obviously not going to do it and your faux outrage isn't working on me.

I'm not outraged, I was not involved in this. I'm just a frequenter on this sub and you look like a hypocrite on this one.

Frequenting week old conspiracy threads that you breadcrumbed from a drama shitlord on the spectrum.

Got it.

I am only commenting in support of the fact this comment was made and referenced on r/topmindsofreddit as having been self-approved by a mod in supposed violation of rule 1. Fuck topmindfags, and why do they choose to have nothing better to do than shit on other people? This is exactly what r/conspiracy is not about, shitting on people because of the ideas they hold and want to discuss.

Fuck u/theghostofdusty

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It's so annoying

Coming from the guy that posts half the time to T_D?

And here we go!!!

T_d is a sub whose users treat the president like he's a fucking righteous almighty god amongst men. Do you think people like him will be capable of holding him accountable. No he can't.

I've said it before I'll say it again. Anyone who regularly posts to /r/the_donald does not belong on /r/conspiracy. Those who participate in a cult-like following of a powerful government leader are clearly not going to be critical of said government, and are not going to give him the suspicion he deserves.

Being suspicious and critical of those in power is one of the basic tenets of conspiracy theory.

I'll agree if the same ban goes for people who post in /r/politics

Sure. Any pro government cult should be banned.

Works for me

Wait...how can /r/politics be both pro-government and anti-Trump? It's gotta be one or the other.

I'll agree if the same ban goes for people who post in /r/politics

Because they don't like Trump? Aren't we anti-establishment/anti-government?

Not because they don't like Trump. Not a fan of him myself, but the posters in /r/politics are insufferable.

You're not going to like who the mods are so. 90% are TD top posters.

Okay... Keep saying it til your blue in the face, please. Posting in a sub on Reddit does not define who you are as a person. There is no test to posting there, you do know that right? Literally anyone can create an account and post there. You don't have to sign a bloodoath for them to allow you to post.

You're right. Where you post does not define who you are as a person. Your actions and words do. The actions and words of those who regularly post in /r/the_donald tend to say that they are willing to ignore Trump's sleaziness, they are willing to overlook any underhanded actions by the government on his orders, and they are willing to push blame for the actions of those in power to someone else.

So, just like the rest of Reddit and the Democrats, gotcha.

I'm sorry, since when did "what the rest of Reddit does become standard procedure for /r/conspiracy? One idiotic group doing something doesn't mean we should ignore what the other idiotic group does.

Okay, so you agree that we need a full investigation into HRC/DNC/MSM/Deep state collusion during the 2016 election, and that we also need to investigate John Podesta and his ilk for child abuse. Glad you're on board.

Riiiight... unless you post on r/politics or some other sub that criticizes trump?

"It's only ok when we do it"

Cult following sub verses one that is supposed to be neutral?

Funny how quickly they get compared to each other, like they are on the same level when they really shouldnt be.

Where in politics does it say "we're supposed to be neutral?"

lmao

Here we go, without fail! Well done.

Well arguing it's not T_D 2.0 when most people here here are from T_D isn't really a good argument, isn't it?

What's t_d?

Donald Trump subreddit known to censor any critical thinking and is bascially a circlejerk specifically for advocating anything trump does (even if that changes from one day to another).

It's like a cheer leading club.

I was joking. I don't think most people here are from there. Most have been here much longer and we dgaf about Trump

It is a sub for the support of our President. I am not sure why this is so hard to understand?

A very tame interpretation of a sub you frequently post in.

It's like a cheer leading club.

known to censor

Yeah, it's the fucking rules in the sidebar of that sub. You clearly know the purpose of the sub. Are you salty that you can't post about your transgender friends being upset about the military ban in T_D or something? That isn't what it's for. They even made an entirely different sub for whiny losers who can't handle the fact that T_D is devoted to supporters.

It's the only place on Reddit where people like you wont attack someone for supporting the President, but of course that somehow damages your sensitive little fee fees so you have to go around, in every discussion on every sub you visit and talk shit about people for posting there.

You are a sad human being with too much time and too little empathy.

It's not that people are mad they can't, they just find it funny that a place that is known to rant against safe spaces is such a huge safe space for poor triggered trumpies.

poor triggered trumpies.

Triggered people usually resort to childish insults in my experience.

You mean when people use transgender as derogatory term? Or when people call others 'whiny losers'? Or maybe you meant the term 'little fee fees'?

Which childish insult did you mean specifically?

You mean when people use transgender as derogatory term?

Are you making an accusation? You care to back it up?

'whiny losers'

This is the accepted nomenclature for Hillary voters after the 2016 Presidential election. They are both losers and whiny.

little fee fees

Sounds like you got your little fee fees hurt too, probecita.

wew lad, there is no need to be upset 😘

So you can't in any way back up your accusation? Typical. I bet you will be hired for the Mueller investigation soon!

seems like you're pretty triggered right now my kind gentle pede

I don't get triggered. I literally do not care one iota what you think. I don't believe you capable of having any enlightening discourse, nor are you capable of teaching me anything. Your mind is shut like a steel trap, slowly pressurizing the propaganda you have been spoon fed into a white hot coal of impotent rage. I imagine you flapping your feminine hands that dangle from the ends of your feeble wrists at your keyboard with that spark of hatred for all that is good burning behind your beady little eyes while you struggle with the notion that you will never sway an opinion in your life.

Take another sip of that big gulp, have another serving of cheetohs (Healthy At Every Size!) and push through it. SOMEDAY maybe, in a future where you practice introspection, you might make a cogent and salient point in an online discussion. All you have left is that hope.

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

I laughed pretty hard. And sorry, I don't know where that comment came from. It was fun to write though.

I have to say, it was a pretty good comment. I'm impressed.

I was probably subconsciously describing myself xD

No but people who post in safe spaces are usually not the type of people that are accepting of other people's ideas. Or at least they aren't used to think differently.

You assume.

I mean I see it on the radical left, so it must be happening on the radical right as well.

Many people who use td view and comment elsewhere. You assume that they never have their views challenged or somehow try to avoid it but they come to reddit which is almost entirely an anti Trump circle jerk. Td is the only place where their views are not harangued or downvoted into obscurity. Yet they still come to reddit. I think you are misrepresenting those people to a surprising degree.

That's how they do it in China so it must be the way they do it in the United States as well.

have you been in a hole on mars wth your eyes and ears closed? they state they are a meme and shit posting sub. you want all that go to the ask_t_d but spreading lies is wrong

Ok let's do a thought experiment. Imagine people that are used to talking to others that constantly agree with you. No one tries to disagree with the consensus because it will end up being ignored and censored.

Now that person exits that, let's call it safe space, and tries to communicate with people that do not agree with them. What will happen? They think that given there are hundreds of people in their safe space that agree with them those that disagree must be fake or shills because it's impossible that people disagree with your opinion since you have been constantly reaffirmed that your opinion must be right.

So you might understand why I think it's hard to discuss with people that live in those safe spaces, given that everything they don't agree with must be absolutely wrong.

triggered? i'm not the one data mining T_D users and conspiracy users. what are you trying to prove?

you know... other than painting an entire sub user base as crazy or whatever it is narrative wise you want to push. very internet bigoted if you ask me

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5seqw7/meta_rconspiracy_user_analysis/

Great top comment in that thread.

absolutely! gonna post in response to you just because.

I was a r/conspiracy user long before a The_Donald user.

I've had my account listed, RESed, harassed, vote manipulated, Pmed, banned from multiple subs:

I was banned from r/ama for trying to get an AMA with the person who exposed Hillary's server guy asking reddit for help.

From r/videos for posting a video explaining Pepe isn't racist.

I'm just an r/conspiracy user that believe's the PTB want rampant globalism and hope for a better way. Meanwhile, there is $40 m fresh dollars for CTR, now named Shareblue.

They distort all news with prefab talking points, they vote empty articles to #1 on r/all, they keep negative Trump articles at the top and truthful ones find no airing.

When it was that the State Department staff "resigned as a protest to Trump", #1.

The articles actually telling the truth, that Trump had told them they were out, it doesn't show up anywhere.

When Hillary's team birddogs Bernie supporters into attacking Trump supporters, the Trump supporters happen to always be forgotten.

Headline (Bernie Supporters): It wasn't us, it was Hillary's people!

But it was them, they just allowed themselves to get incited by Hillary's people.

And that was the thing that got me onto The_Donald.

You can post all the statistics you want, but the truth is, what your one-sided analysis failed to account for was how many r/conspiracy users became T_D users.

Near zero became r/hillaryclinton users.

Now that person exits that, let's call it safe space, and tries to communicate with people that do not agree with them. What will happen?

I'm so glad you've decided to raise this in a thread where you can see EXACTLY what happens. Sensitive people whine about the fact that a person is from T_D whenever they dare participate in any other sub.

So you might understand why I think it's hard to discuss with people that live in those safe spaces, given that everything they don't agree with must be absolutely wrong.

You believe that people use T_D as a safe space, but vilify them for not staying in there. Seems like you're the one in need of a safe space.

You'll probably find there are MANY people in MANY subs who use a T_D alt because they can't be bothered with the ridiculous conversation shutdown attempts.

The moment they agreed to post there so heavily, they are already contaminated. You can't think that someone who spends half their time on reddit in the_Donald is as a critical thinker who spends equal time in a multitude of subreddits.

You're letting your very obvious hatred and bias for people who support Donald Trump cloud all of your judgement and reason. Plenty of people post in different subreddits for plenty of different reasons, you don't even have to be a hardcore supporter of Donald Trump to post in TD. Plenty of good people also like Donald Trump and that has nothing to do with who they are as a person. Why does that fucking obvious point escape you?

Because trump is a con man. If they can't see that, that's a major problem.

Every single politician ever elected in this country is a con man in some way shape or form. Welcome to politics.

Ok let me correct that, insanely obvious con man =)

Was Barack Obama or Bush as obvious of con men to you? Because they are significantly worse on many fronts, backed up by the historical record. Those people are actual war criminals with thousands of bodies at their feet, who committed provable acts of treason and high crimes and misdemeanors. Trump hasn't done any of that, at least not yet.

He did sell weapons to SA even though he said he wouldn't.

And I'm pretty sure under Trump the attacks in Syria have increased there was even that one attack which all advisers were against because of high civilian casualties and Obama never agreed to it, and he did. So in that way Trump is definitely worse.

I certainly don't agree with his Saudi arms deal, but to be fair the deal was already in place and agreed upon when Obama was President. Not to mention there has been regime change behind the scenes in Saudi Arabia to the more moderate members of the House of Saud, the extent of which we have yet to discover fully. There's always more than meets the eye to what Trump does, taking everything he does at face value without acknowledging what's going on behind the scenes means you're only getting half the story.

Trump has only personally intervened in Syria once, and that was the missile strike that was essentially a show of force that amounted to nothing other than pleasing the neocons in his administration and getting the media to actually get behind him for once because they fucking love war. I'm not letting Trump off the hook at all for continuing to push military industrial complex agendas, but to say that he's worse than Barack Obama - a guy literally nicknamed the Drone King who even ran out of bombs because he dropped so many on Syria - is not backed up by reality. Obama has tens of thousands of dead civilians and collateral damage with his name on it from prosecuting what, 7 different wars? Trump is actively scaling down much of these conflicts and openly calling for pulling out of Afghanistan, and he's already defunded the CIA and their support for ISIS.

The Dick

Do you have a source for that, or are you guessing?

I wrote a webcrawler, I just started a new analysis (I've done one in the past and posted it here) here my current analysis:

Out of 311 posters in the current top 10 links on /r/conspiracy, 113 posted in the_donald at least 10 times

I collected 32457 comments in /r/conspiracy and those 113 the_donald users posted 15466 of these comments which is 47 %

Oh shieet.

Holy shit. Can we please have more of this? You need to be stickied.

Can you create your own post on this? Just the fact that 113 users posted 15k comments is pretty powerful evidence.

Make a separate post and call these fuckers out

Please add this feature to RES!

Ive posted in the Donald more than ten times yet I find the page a joke now. Was good for dirt during the election campaigns though. Does that mean I cant post here either? Substance devoid ad hominem masters you all are.

when most people here

well got sweeping generalizations out of the way quick. From someone who never comes here you sure know us so well.

I wrote a webcrawler, so I did a short analysis for you

Out of 311 posters in the current top 10 links on /r/conspiracy, 113 posted in the_donald at least 10 times

I collected 32457 comments in /r/conspiracy and those 113 the_donald users posted 15466 of these comments which is 47 %

So they make up 1/3 of the user base that post here but post 47% of all comments. I'm still downloading another 300 users comment history and I can post you a more in depth review.

keep on that case sherlock, once you find out who all the posters are you'll be able to say 50% of the users here are T_D users therefore their opinions can safely been invalidated. Truly a Great service.

I'll post a more in depth analysis tomorrow. I want to make sure that my calculations are all correct and I will need to find a way to post the data for everyone to use themselves. Otherwise I could be accused of posting fake information.

Well you are better than most. I wish you luck. Would be nice to see that algorithm used on many of these subreddits; could be a boon for all redditors.

i'm very interested in seeing that post

Make a thread, 113 users making nearly half this subs post is more conspiratorial than the dozen "CTR/SHAREBLUE SHILLS" threads

Damn dude, nice job

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How is that an argument against my statement? Have I accused you of anything?

Coming from the guy that posts half the time to T_D

This is not a legitimate argument. This is you scoring points and making baseless accusations.

Have I accused you of anything?

You will most certainly because your rhetorical strategy seems to center on personal attacks.

Wait wait wait. The accusation is correct, he does post more in T_D than here.

And again I haven't said a single thing about you.

"Accusation"

Posting in T_D = committing thoughtcrime? You seem very narrow minded for a conspiracy user.

Posting in T_D = committing thoughtcrime? You seem very narrow minded for a conspiracy user.

Where did they say you committed thoughtcrime? You're making things up now to be the victim.

accusation

a charge or claim that someone has done something illegal or wrong.

They were "accused" of being a T_D poster. They're "guilty" of posting there. That's what they meant by accusation, and that's how it's used often in conversation. It doesn't strictly mean fault of crime. You're trying to twist it into an attack that it isn't.

I have one post in T_D. One post. One. That I was banned for.

Yet I still get this accusation whenever I don't shoehorn something about Trump being evil into every post that mentions Trump.

So yeah. I'm fucking sick of it.

Perhaps people who participate in r/The_Donald should be banned from this sub? Or maybe we should be forced to identify ourselves with a specific symbol in each comment...

Saying that, the Shareblue RES databases already have most of that covered.

Maybe a nice yellow star on our breast? 5...NO. 6 pointed star.

I'm sure this kind of system has been used in the past. They should reach out to like-minded people for advice.

This whole thread of comments here is really ironic, given that Trump stated he wanted to implement a Muslim-American registry, and now that type of action is being used as a hyperbolic defense of /r/the_donald's long standing and habitual brigading of this sub.

No, nobody should be banned based on where else they post. But they should be ready to be called out when they post something inaccurate to defend their god emperor.

Yay!! They are back!

Not today dude, whenever the Trump WH has a bad news day, we are going to be flooded with Seth Rich stories to drown out the bad news.

It's to the point of being way too obvious at this point. Might as well wait until things die down and the bots find something else to do.

Or do these bots prefer to be called "pedes"?

I was about to add this one. For months now they use this same parroted shit like it's an original thought and believe it's not like wearing a neon "hi, i'm a shill" sign.

I think a lot of it is them just not caring that everyone can tell what they're doing. If you were paid to troll Reddit, would you care if the people can tell you're full of shit right off the bat?

I don't know, i always wondered if their pay and success in turning the narrative were related. It would seem that those that can actually make headway would be paid higher.

Word is they don't listen to ideas and turnover is super high.

Democrats gonna Democrat

I love comments that start "you guys...(insert r/conspiracy bash)".

Then they actually pretend not to be an outsider shill.

Their tone really does make it obvious and I don't think they even notice.

Says a user who posts fake news in both subs lol just saying

I've been posting here since my first day on Reddit and I've made comments about this sub being overrun by t_d users. I won't go as far as saying the sub has gone to shit, but there's definitely a lot more people supporting the white house under any circumstance.

I've posted here for a long time, so am I allowed to point out the obvious brigading - or no?

And.....you LOST!

8 years of greatness and more lefty whining.

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And? How is that relevant?

I think its hilarious that posting on T_D is supposed to be some kind of insult.

People who throw it up as a big "gotcha" are just displaying their bigotry.

Lol

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Nice work!

Removed. Rule 10.

I honestly think if the Russia BS fails they will just JFK him.

I think with so many people into conspiracies if that were to happen there would be more civil unrest than the 60s. Trump supporters would immediately and vehemently accuse the deep state of the assassination and every bridge between them and the existing government framework would be burned to hell. That would be crossing the rubicon for the deep state and I believe that's why trump is surrounding himself with generals. Ultimately it would come down to who the military sides with.

-says the random redditor with no insider knowledge.

I think

It's his opinion/theory lol, he didn't claim to have insider knowledge.

How did he form that opinion without any insider knowledge because we don't have any sources available publicly to support his 'claim' or 'theory'?

Is this your first time in this sub?

New to hypothetical theories huh? Not surprising.

In a world where everything is 100% verified or 100% fake, they seem to live in.

such a simple world, would say that must be nice but i've been to r/politics and it is a realm of scum and villainy, where there is no happiness only bitterness and hate.

But the OP provides literally no source for any of his claims!

Hypotheticals you are your own source i think. A Theory would be the proving of your hypothetical with sources and statistics.

Well there is a thing called critical thinking but hey.

Saying shit without providing any sources is 'critical thinking'?

He has a theory! Holy shit! Don't you have personal theories? WTF is the problem?

If you ever talk to anybody in law enforcement or the military you can guarantee your ass that there would be a revolution if Trump got capped. They are solidly on his side.

Trump has his own private security, I think he's prepped for that scenario. The Secret Service has had a few scandals and done a pretty shitty job, I can't blame him.

they will just

Why would they even consider it? They are going to continue to get their pockets lined with the same policies every other president before him has maintained.

Dismantle the federal reserve? Sanctions on Israel? 9/11 truth? Bah, none of that shit if going to happen.

Then next step - civil war, because i bet no one would be fooled about who was responsible this time.

I think if the internet didn't exist, the media could just feed any old crazy story. Trump depressed at Russian investigation killed himself. But with the internet, it would never fly.

Yep, the internet was meant to be their tool, i think..another way to control,monitor and propagandise..but it bit them in the ass a wee bit.

We'll keep Russia going for years. Either it'll end in Trump being impeached or indicted (both incredibly unlikely) or we'll just keep him fighting against that narrative for as long as we can, and hopefully it'll impact his re-election chances.

After a year of non stop Russia mania with virtually nothing to show for it, I think the public will no longer care. If they even care at all currently anyway.

Nothing to show for it... Other than Michael Flynn being forced out of the administration, a special counsel apppinted because Trump fired the guy in charge of the investigation, a verified meeting between Donny Jr. and a Kremlin backed lawyer offering dirt stolen by the Russian government ...

But other than that, virtually nothing

I doubt anyone will trust Trump after all of this. I was wrong before though.

with virtually nothing to show for it

Except an ongoing investigation? I think it's funny how people try to act like it's a sham because "nothing has come of it so far!" when there's an ongoing investigation. How can you deem nothing has happened when we don't have the results of the investigation yet? Surely that will prove something one way or the other and we can put it to rest right?

Doesn't matter if no one cares or believes. They'll still push that shit and even with everyone knowing it's bullshit, there can still be real world effects from it. Remember 2002 when Iraq bullshit started up in the media? Remember in 2003 when we invaded Iraq even though it was obviously on bullshit pretenses?

Great plan except everyone that wasn't already squarely on your side is sick of it

It's not my plan.

hopefully it'll impact his re-election chances.

Given that only 6% of the country actually gives a shit about this, you're fucking deluded. But since you think your Queen was a brilliant strategist (she wasn't, that's why she lost -- not Russia or Comey), you'll believe that this Russia BS will deliver you to promised land. You're so fucking foolish it's really sad.

This is another one of those, I can't believe adults talk like this moments.

It's called mockery, and only stupid people get offended by it.

I'm not offended. You just sound like a child. It's depressing how many adults today do.

Maybe you should realize civil discourse is used to paper over the crimes committed by American empire. So-called adult thinking has precipitated decades of war crimes in the name of American freedom. I take being called childish, by the likes of you, as a badge of honor, because at least I know that I am not infected with good-thinking liberalism, which at its root, depends on the deaths of millions to exist (and has for centuries, tbh).

In what world are liberals more likely to commit war crimes than republicans? This is bizarre.

I'm not here to undo your cognitive dissonance.

The CIA funded jihadis in Syria who beheaded a child while on Obama's watch. Obama let the CIA sow chaos in Syria that led directly to that war crime. The refugees that have fled Syria and drowned in the Mediterrean is another war crime. The illegal drone war approved by Obama is a series war crimes. Imprisoning Manning and allowing her to be tortured for revealing said war crimes, is a war crime.

Neither side is innocent or good, and the sooner you figure that out the better for you.

Easy, the world of misinformation and 'alternative facts' where Obama is a Kenyan muslim, Hilary is a pizza-eating satanist child sex trafficker, and the 'deep state' liberals are mere seconds away from starting WW3 at all times.

Think: comment section under a Breitbart article

That type of stuff.

LMFAO have you ever heard of the Bolshevik Revolution or anything? Mao Zedong's Great Leap Forward? Cultural and political Marxism has killed more people than any political ideology in recent history. Guess what side of the political isle communism and Marxism falls on? Liberalism! Lemme guess - "they weren't real Communists or Marxists" right?

Maybe not war crimes, but they sure do seem to love mangling children's and mentally ill people's genitalia...

What an odd response.

But a true one.

You think liberals love these things? Mangling children and mentally ill people genitals?

They advocate for Muslim immigration and transgender surgeries so yes.

I'm with you. They try so desperately to offend people, like I'm going to cry because a stranger insulted me.

We'll keep Russia going for years.

Enough said.

"We're going to cry wolf for four years and hope everyone trusts our smear campaign more thoroughly next time"

FTFY even though the logic is still lacking

It worked for the GOP on Obamacare and Trump on Obama being a secret Muslim.

Exactly. It got Obama elected again. Thanks for proving my point, lol.

Have fun with four more years!

The guy running that campaign is now president.

Go ahead and run in four years, then. I'm sure you'll do great.

His election didn't have anything to do with his campaign whatsoever so you should have the exact same guarantee to be elected.

After all, as we all know, the Obama birther argument was the one and only point of contention in this election.

No, it wasn't a topic that died almost seven years beforehand at all! Nor did it have more political impact back then than it does now!!

/s

What are you even on about? Seriously your logic is so flawed

Finally one of them actually just up and admits it lol.

We'd be crazy to not keep talking about it. It certainly helps that Trump and Co keep walking right into it too. Conservatives tried it with the birther movement, but it became sort of irrelevant. As long as Trump stays shady with Russia, the narrative will continue.

Walking right into it - you mean how the media and intelligence agencies are collaborating in sedition, spreading libel and slander for him specifically to tag him with collusion to divert attention from the fact that the opposition is far more corrupt in that regard?

Became irrelevant = MSM dropped the story, even though Barack Obama's birth certificate is a proven forgery

Trump being shady with Russia = anything, literally, short of grossly-unfair sanctions that are basically a declaration of war that could possibly lead to World War 3

You do realize that the vast majority of the public does not believe your ilk or the Russia narrative, right? In fact, the Left is even more hated than Donald Trump in America right now, but keep doubling down on that delicious nothingburger while the DNC is currently going down in flames :)

We'd be crazy to not keep talking about it. It certainly helps that Trump and Co keep walking right into it too. Conservatives tried it with the birther movement, but it became sort of irrelevant. As long as Trump stays shady with Russia, the narrative will continue.

Ok so I have a honest question...

Why is there so much attention and finger pointing to the shittiness that is CTR/ShareBlue but very little when it comes to Right leaning organizations like Cambridge Analytica?

We are in middle of an astroturf war on both sides

I would just like the truth. That's it. Not right spin not left spin not disinformation from anyone. Shouldn't our focus be on weeding out fake narratives from every side?

Pretty fucking simple. This sub leans hard on right wing even though most of them say they are non-partisan. So you get things like "Both sides are the same" or "what about Clinton" or "X did this first" ect.

As a BernieBro I witnessed first hand CTR destroy Reddit last year. /politics was always liberal but was like 80% fellow BernieBros before the convention. I'd even say there was more Trump support than Hillary support there back then. Or at least close to equal.

Hillary supporters were the ones ridiculed and ostracized there.

In /conspiracy the love for Bernie and Trump was more equal but back then no one attacked the other like they do now for saying which side they were on. Both were outsiders. We had a common enemy, we all hated Hillary and knew her corruption.

The weekend of the Democratic convention CTR took over /politics and has maintained their stranglehold ever since. With small pockets of normalcy here and there, like the day after the election.

It was obvious. You could tell a difference. You got human responses like "well I voted Hillary but I hope Trump is successful"

I knew it was only a matter of time before they came here. It started mid to late January, around the inauguration, and they've been here ever since.

Dozens of them with names I'd committed to memory that almost all were accounts made in January. Those names got too compromised however and they don't post here anymore, but new ones keep popping up.

I'm talking people with no prior post history in /conspiracy, and who tow the MSM propaganda line.

So to answer your question, because I haven't experienced Cambridge Analytica. They didn't make me hate Hillary. They didn't make me start loving Wikileaks those years ago.

They may exist and be active. But they don't have the power and reach of the mainstream media.

As a BernieBro

You're all over t_d, what are you talking about?

You're all over t_d, what are you talking about?

They like to pose as Bernie supporters because they're too embarrassed to admit they support Trump. See: /r/WayOfTheBern

Lol if you've paid attention long enough on this sub you can tell more and more of his supporters are embarrassed, even on here. They all started out as Trump supporters, and by now they say shit like "I'm not a Trump supporter but.... Then they'll defend his every action. Another popular trick they use is by calling themselves Bernie Bro's. It's honestly funny and anyone outside of thier circlejerk can tell thier wearing masks.

Yeah, the whole "as a ____" or "I'm not a trump supporter but..." angle is kinda funny to see. Especially when they get called out for not being a muslim/mexican/black person/etc. from other previous comments of theirs.

They definitely seem a lot more low energy these days. There are threads on the front page of the_donald with only 23, 26, 34, 36, etc. comments.

For a sub that boasts about having 6,000,000 subscribers its a bit weird that only 0.0005% of that 6 million write comments.

My favorite trend I've been seeing by alt-right shill-bots as of recent is "I don't support Trump at all, but" Been seein that comment at the top of threads during Russian daylight business hours a lot lately.

Or instead of your silly little strawman you can realize that there's a lot of broad support and overlap across the board with both Bernie Sanders and Trump, due to the fact that they both were outsiders and ran anti-establishment campaigns. Some people aren't partisan hacks and can set aside their mutual differences for shared goals, theirs was to make sure that Clinton didn't get in. Tons of Bernie voters switched to Trump after the primaries too.

I'm a BernieBro although I mostly support policies, not people. I disagree with Trump on almost every policy except Syria. I like what he's doing there.

And yes, r/WayoftheBern is a great place for progressives who don't like Shareblue infesting their subs

That sub isn't what it used to be. It's starting to go the route of the uncensorednews sub. I enjoyed some of those spinoff subs after s4p closed.

Guilt by association is not a fucking argument. God you fucking people with your low-effort posts.

17 day old account

only WayOfTheBern posts

"you people"

ok

I've been on reddit for years bub. I have had multiple accounts that I have deleted and/or stopped using. You want to pretend I'm a shill, go for it. It's obvious to most people I'm not.

Again get an actual fucking argument rather than these dismissive bullshit games you play.

No I'm not saying you're a shill. I just think it's hilarious to call out a comment as being low-effort rather than the literal shitpost that we're all commenting on.

But you are implying it

Quite a few former BernieBros at T_D. You'd be surprised.

So, did you just give up Bernie and make a new account to post on t_d or..? Because there's literally nothing to suggest you ever were.

Didn't go back very far did you?

Actually I made this account to post in /eve when I was playing it and just started posting in politics and conspiracy from it instead of logging off to sign back into my main that's already been active here. Convenience.

Bernie selling out and supporting the cunt that stole the nomination from him did make it pretty easy. To jump to Trump although I was planning on voting Johnson up until Election Day.

Not going to get into a massive discussion about it here since it's the wrong sub, but the only reason Bernie conceded and backed Hillary is so he has any chance whatsoever to do anything with the backing of the democratic party. He's going to need them for his fight for single-payer.

And on policy I agree she has more in common with him than trump.

But on principle.. Bernie could have did what Ted Cruz did to Trump and I'd have more respect for him.

No Bernie conceded because Hillary threatened to out her info about his wife's crimes (which are currently under investigation now).

Threatened to out her info about his wife's crimes? Source?

which are currently under investigation now

Just like Trump is. And her investigation was started with hearsay allegations. Don't act like she's guilty just because there's an investigation. If you do, start acting like Trump is guilty too.

Edit: Missed a word.

Ah fuck me, I do remember that too. Still makes me angry to think about.

You should have gone with Johnson. :/

I find it hard to believe that so many Sanders supporters went to Trump's side, especially given their vastly different ideologies and political tendencies. It's like saying, "Yeah sure I supported veganism, but since it was shut down I moved over to a strict meat-only diet".

I don't understand the logic myself, but I personally know many people who did switch over. Many of them seemed vengeance based.

I was a Bernie or Bust'er from the start and I meant it. When the DNC robbed me of my vote for Bernie, I voted for Bust. I didn't vote FOR Trump, I voted against Hillary. She of all people needed to be kept out of office. So I voted for incompetency over malice. A lot more of us exist than expected. A vote for anybody other than Trump was ultimately a vote for Hillary and so it had to be done to stop her.

Except for the fact that they both appeal to blue collars with trade and immigration and non interventionist foreign Policy.

Look it up, Bernie was against open borders as a "Koch brothers policy" before trump came along.

Because those Bernie supporters saw the media attack Trump like they did Bernie, enemy of my enemy. Trump was also the only candidate calling out Hillary for her BS, I'm sure that endeared a lot of them to him.

A lot of young people didn't care about the politics and just wanted an outsider which Trump was, and Hillary most certainly was not.

Then there was the issue of the Wikileaks drops proving what most Bernie supporters knew, he got cheated.

Why would any of them support Hillary?

Not supporting Trump doesn't mean you have to support Hillary. Supporting neither is an option. Supporting grassroots candidates is an option. Supporting a third party is an option.

Someone who really followed Sanders' policies would not support trump because they are diametrically opposed.

And that's where you're wrong. Now the Dems get another chance in 4 years rather than a Clinton for 8 and all the damage that would have come with it.

Trump is politically to the left of Hillary Clinton and has a lot more centrist and moderate tendencies than any typical Republican. Probably because he's been a New York Democrat for most of his life.

Former Bernie bro turned Trump voter bring on the downvotes Shareblue/CTR

A huge number of former Bernie Bros are now Trump supporters. The DNC made their choices and now they can all deal with the consequences.

A huge number? I call bullshit. Please go through my history to see how serious I was about being involved in the Bernie campaign. Those of us that were serious about Bernie would have never supported Trump.

Like me. I was with Bernie, then I went with Johnson.

But I do know a surprising amount of people who were huge Bernie fans who voted Trump just so she would not win. But they are by no means trump supporters. Protest votes, not endorsement votes.

Because you bought Bernie's bullshit and a lot of people realized he was a snake oil salesman himself? Not saying Trump's any better, but he's not a fucking coward like Sanders who turned around and supported the bitch that got his bid thrown out.

You can't speak for an entire group just because you feel a certain way. It doesn't matter what percentage of Sanders supporters ultimately voted for Trump, it was a lot. I doubt Trump would have won the election if most of the Sanders supporters voted for Clinton. But it's okay, she didn't need us, right?

A lot of people supported Sanders because it was the first chance we had to stop Clinton from becoming president.

Sure I can see people being pissed at HC and voting for Trump instead

But to double down and actually support Trump and being die hard about it, that doesn't make much sense

A former bernie supporter turned Trump supporters, and IRL about 75% of people i knew that supported bernie ended up voting trump.

Do you mind if I ask what region you're in?

Northeast, in a state that went to Trump.

Interesting. I only asked because I've read lots of data that suggests Bernie supporters in more democratic states opted to stay home rather than vote Trump or third party. Supporters in more republican states were the ones to vote Trump or third party. Obviously all data has outliers, but just interesting.

Im one. Was a Berniebro but never again.

If you were active on r/s4p you'd know that a ton of people said they would support trump when Bernie was cheated out of winning the primary. I saw it with me own eyes

No, I saw people starting to volunteer for Jill Stein or Gary Johnson. A vast majority went third party.

I was planning on Johnson but since Obama took my red state in 2008 I didn't want to take any chances and voted Trump to make sure she didn't too.

Turns out I was wrong because she got annihilated in my state.

Yeah, you're right, alot if people did go third party, like me I voted Jill Stein, but there were also a large number of people who wanted to vote for trump to spite the dnc because they thought trump had the best chance of beating Hillary, and they were right

Your denial doesn't make it any less true. I had tons of personal friends that were voting for Bernie and went for Trump instead just because fuck Hillary Clinton.

How many were Trump trolls trying to sew division in the left. Oh wait only David Brock is allowed to have shills he patented it or something.

The dnc divided the party when they fucked over everyone who voted for bernie

It's funny to read this when, if you had YOUR way, you would have eagerly had the party fuck over Clinton supporters. You pretty much admit as much. Don't try to stand on some moral high-ground. You're just mad you couldn't rig it your way. If it was an option, you would gladly have backed it.

Fuck, I am so glad I didn't vote last election. There was not a single good candidate. Bernie was trash. Clinton was garbage. Trump was a shit. Stein is a moron.... I would've voted for Johnson if anything. But I don't regret staying home

I feel like your projecting. Just because you would be willing to cheat to see your preferred candidate win doesn't mean I am willing to do so.

The statement above is one I can get behind!

So then you accept the will of the voters?

Why would a Bernie supporter ever support Trump? Trump has shit all over everything Bernie is for time and time again.

The people I know who voted for Trump but were huge Bernie fans did so as a protest vote. They did not and do not support trump.

I personally don't quite understand the point in their behavior, so don't ask me why.

It seems to be to spite Hillary, which seems really stupid.

Not even true, Trump commended Bernie Sanders on his campaign many times and even showed solidarity with him when he got screwed out of the nomination.

HAHAHAHA---what is Bernie even FOR????

Um, it's not hard to find out. He has a whole page dedicated to what he's "FOR"

hahahaha----Bernie is "for" himself and his thief wife. Name me legislation that in his 30+ years in public service that he wrote. (That, like hillary, didn't involve renaming a fucking post office)

The proof of this theory was the collapse of the pushed narrative after Hillary had her episode at the 9/11 memorial. CTR had to regroup after this unexpected event and for a day or so you could see the old sentiments creep back in

I remember that day. I thought they had slithered away. Then the day after that, they were in full force cranked up to 11.

Yep it was like a moment of silence and rational thought.

after the election, my god, reddit was glorious. Politics was a glimmer of its old self, but of course, it could never last. The darkness came back.

because I haven't experienced Cambridge Analytica

How do you know you haven't? I agree with pretty much everything you've said about CTR, but just because you don't think you've experienced astroturfing from another outfit doesn't mean you haven't. Personally, though, I'm sick of these meta ShareBlue/CTR posts (not yours, the OP and several others recently voted to hot)... it's just one big bitchfest and blanket statements about those that lean left or disagree with a conservative narrative or want to discuss conspiratorial aspects of Trump's presidency. It's getting really challenging to have any sort of discussion because there's just a lot of accusations of shills and now also "sanitized" accounts.

But they don't have the power and reach of the mainstream media.

Again, I'm just curious, if you don't think you've experienced them then how do you know this to be true? Maybe their shilling is so good that you assume they are just a Joe the Plumber sharing their opinion when in reality they're playing on your hate of HRC/DNC and using that to push a narrative.

I remember reading something that Cambridge Analytica has plenty of funding, so I'm not sure you really understand the level of influence they possibly have.

Some info on CA

Article from Bloomberg about how CA works to influence politics based on "psychographic profiles"

My point is, nothing that's come out of CA would have effected me because I already hate Hillary and respect Wikileaks.

That is opposite to what I saw CTR doing because Hillary was despised by both the left and the right for so long, to have them go all pro Hillary is just obvious.

Trump has always had grassroots supporters. So even if CA is among them, you'd never tell the difference.

You're assuming that CA is only pushing a negative narrative about HRC. I hope you understand that CA also works to discredit negative stories about Trump and push conservative talking points which harden citizens' beliefs about these things even moreso (whether or not those beliefs are based on lies). CA is not just against HRC, but they're for establishment republicans. You're being fed propaganda by both sides and your assumption that CA isn't affecting you only allows them to continue to do it.

Your account is only a year old, how would you know what reddit was like previously? And you certainly post to TD a lot, in support of Trump, for a Bernie supporter.

Don't most people have multiple accounts?

Apparently you've never been to r/kappa or any other weird sub where everybody has about 5 different alts

Yep, I voted trump after Bernie to hurt Hillary the most I legally could.

If you went to T_D you'd know that there's quite a few of us.

And this is my iPad account to hose at work. My main is over 5 years old.

Love this post. Exactly how I feel!

Man, I wish I got paid to debate you idiots. Ten years after Hillary died "CTR is still controlling r/politics!!! Seeeeeeeth riiiiiiiiich!"

I know. For some reason, they don't seem to get why a sub that's been left leaning for YEARS would be anti-Trump:

-the president that fucks over the LGBT

-that insults and demeans women

-belongs to a party that won't raise the minimum wage

-won't move towards universal healthcare

-that hired Betsy Devos who wants to privatize the entire education system and screw over borrowers at the benefit of lenders

-Hired Jeff Session who wants to criminalize marijuana and push more private prisons

-Is anti-immigrant

-Has the backing of conservative Christian groups that push for teaching Christianity in schools and institute it's Christian morality over an increasingly religiously-diverse nation

-Is not intelligent or intellectual in ANY way and only embarrasses this country worse than George Bush

-Is a republican

-Became president despite losing the popular vote by the largest margin in history

-Lies CONSTANTLY

-Has an absolutely toxic following

-is the most polarizing political figure in American history

-has record-level unpopularity nationwide...

So GEEEEEE, I wonder why he would be so unpopular to Reddit. Honestly, you couldn't tick off more boxes the demographics of this website is against if you fucking tried. It's not some massive conspiracy. This website has hated those things for years... and you think it's a mystery conspiracy as to why so many people hate the guy?

How stupid do you have to be to think it's a mystery Donald Trump isn't popular on r/politics?

And why the fuck do you obsess over it and care so much???? Jesus Christ. I have never seen such an obsession to be liked by a shithole sub you claim to hate so much. r/politics is GARBAGE. It's always been GARBAGE.

Move on. Lol

MAN THESE GUYS ALL SO STUPID LOOK AT MY FUNNY COMMENT. OBVIOUSLY REDDIT HASN'T CHANGED AT ALL IN THE PAST 10 YEARS. THIS IS ALL 100% ORGANIC POSTING AND COMMENTING ON REDDIT! NO FUCKERY HERE!

Hey. Pssst. Your caps lock is broken.

I noticed that too. So creepy.

This is exactly. I saw it change, and no amount of paid activist gaslighting will ever convince me what i saw was a wrong memory. It changed, we all saw it who were there. It is a cesspool now and i pity any who go there for thoughtful discussion.

There's still thoughtful discussion, it's just much harder to find. Many of the most active users have been purged over the months, along with the best mods.

ShariaBlue doesn't just astroturf here, I saw a marked uptick in months old articles and reposted shitposts get pushed to the front page on heavy news days. Also, most important posts have "Bill Clinton is a rapist Infowars.com" or some such spammed as the top 100 comments.

The waters over there have been muddied beyond recognition, and the mods who used to keep it clean have been run out.

The shills hate when you remind them Bernie supporters en mass voted for Trump mostly as a fuck you to the DNC.

As I said in another comment, even if many did make a protest vote, I doubt many became die hard supporters of Trump

That is insane and not remotely true. Don't pull things out of your ass. I'm a Bernie supporter and I sure as hell didn't vote for that Dbag, neither did any of the Bernie supporters I know, and Bernie himself asked his supporters not to vote for Trump. That is a complete and utter lie.

Voting for Trump as a protest is not even close to being the same as supporting Trump through all of his fuck ups.

Truth.

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Blows your paradigm up I know. Go back to /politics let the big kids play

For me it is spirit of intent. The td folks are goofy and trollish, I can't quite decide if they even take themselves seriously. The CTR contingent are bitter, cruel, and hateful. The malice is palpable. TD folks are like a party that went too long, everyone is too drunk, and the jokes are really only funny to them.

Perfectly summed up.

Well it was getting old for a bit, now its coming back around.

Drink bitches or whatever you gender is wooooooooooooo

I think you've got that backwards. Trump people are so hateful. I only ever had one rational discussion with one of them. And this sub especially. Their favorite insult here is that I'm a pedophile or sympathizer, which if anyone knew me they would know that's nowhere close to true.

What? TD has some serious hate on it too. "DAE liberals are evil" posts hit the front page there constantly.

Thing is it's mostly people from the T_D who come here to comment and are pro-trump, they arn't bots. ShareBlue comes here to suppress stories that are damaging to the left.

Like if your pro MSM in a conspiracy sub, your an idiot. If all you do is shut down ideas and opinions instead of an open convo, you may as well say nothing at all.

"Weed out the fake narratives from both sides" is hard since one side is possibly right. Look at Seth Rich for instance. Look at how much people are defending the original story in a conspiracy sub. They attack and go on for ever. It's obvious.

So you want to tell me people from T_D can be objective?

Anyone can be.

people from /r/politics?

lol could be..

a wretched realm of scum and villany. A place free thought goes to die.

hey I go to /r/politics sometimes.. usually want to stab myself not long after though

That's only because you can't handle seeing what a complete dumpster fire the Trump administration is.

nah, it's more to do with the general lack of intelligence and critical thinking that goes on there. This place isn't much better either.

"Only Siths deal in absolutes"

can be objective

There's this discipline, it's called philosophy that has spent over 2000 years trying to ascertain what truth is. Have you figured it out?

So right wing posters are all people while left wing posters are bots/shills?

Not at all. My point was the pro-trumpers are actually human, I do believe they may bot brigade the votes, but the comments are often authentic. Reason being they are on the right side of these current conspiracies, in my opinion. Seth rich for example, and pizzagate. Lots of shills involved with these 2 topics. How can one be a T_D shill when they are just exposing the truth.

They may shill over the whole Russia thing, but again... Russia Meddled, colluded, how bad is it? Not any worst then the CF so why is it being pushed down our throat.

That's all I'm saying

There's often a double-bind mentality that dominates threads, assuming that if I disagree with X therefore I must agree with Y.

Seth Rich is a case in point. Some folks like myself don't buy the original MSM narrative but aren't convinced of the 4chan/wikileaks narrative either. And then folks on both sides start shouting muh shills all over the place and all you're left with is static.

Yea if your lucky enough to see the thread when it is new there are usually good comments.

Also Nimble America.

Simple: this sub has stopped pretending to be about truth in conspiracies. Since the influx of right-wing spam during and after the election either the userbase shifted or people started showing more true colors. Then you have any user dissent being banned for a few months so when you have a younger account going against the narrative they can just say "lul 2 month account please" and you get a nice echo chamber. Cap it off with all mods added since the election being blatantly biased with enforcement and oh look here we are.

Posts like this don't want the truth. They just want to feel that their team is right.

Even the mods are in on it. Strange behavior from a conspiracy forum for sure

Remember when the mod team was divided on removing Russia's 20 bots that where constantly on the front page, and astroturfing the comments by copy and pasting comments stolen from t_d? Well, I do.

Haha I will never forget that comment. I think they explained it by saying they were worried about only cracking down on the bots of one side. Which is an airtight argument /s

Can yoo also link to where it was proven, with evidence, of where the bots originated? Not just accusations that were pretty quickly rebuked.

Right leaning

Well that answer was pretty easy.

the truth will set you free. unfortunately it's a hard thing to get in this day and age.

Shouldn't our focus be on weeding out fake narratives from every side?

How many times in your life have you seen the deep state try to take out a sitting president? The stakes with this Russian BS is the very foundations of American democracy. I realize this, and I am not a Trump supporter. This can not be allowed to happen, in my eventual hope, that Sanders or a Sabders backed candidate becomes President.

Unelected spooks can not rule our country and undermine the will of the people, which is what they (elements of the CIA and other intelligence agencies) are doing at this point.

The fake news the right-wing puts out is usually fairly easy to counteract with facts because it focuses on policies. This Russian shit is an insidious bag of lies that those who think they are the ruling class keep pushing out there in the long term desire to fully kill American democracy. You tell me which one is a real threat.

I'm going to play devil's advocate for a moment

If a president was elected who had allegiances or strong ties with a foreign adversary, how should that be handled? If someone was elected who received information, online narrative assistance (bots, disinformation, hacking etc), and/or other forms of "assistance" to get elected in exchange for guiding policy in a favorable direction for that foreign power, what can be done?

I'll even take it to another level....what if the American public elected someone who was a murderer? What if we had elected Hillary and it turns out that all the conspiracies about her and Bill were true? That they personally ordered the death of a handful of people who had dirt on them, or opposed them? Should the FBI be disallowed to investigate because it's not in line with the "will of the people"?

I agree there's a lot of misinformation flying around, and I agree that the MSM is spinning some seriously dubious information. I also think that there might be some truth to the allegations buried in all the bullshit. Look, my mind isn't made up one way or another because I really don't think that we know the whole story. Could the IC be out to get Trump, sure. Could Trump be dirty as fuck, sure. Can both be true, sure.

This whole thing is massively fucked up

e: words for clarification

There are Constitutional channels and methods for dealing with these things. Spooks planting anon stories in the press, that have lead nowhere, is evidence of their attempt to undermine the legitimacy of the office, which in the long run, plays into their desire for power in this country, regardless of who is elected.

I mean, the CIA was funding jihadis in Syria (as well as other regions and countries, think Dagestan and Chechyna, as well as Af-Pak) while "fighting" the war on terror. Yet, you are more concerned that Trump is a criminal, when we have a criminal organization supporting groups that ultimately want to kill American citizens and thier allies.

You are being distracted from the criminal reality of so-called American intelligence and secret defense operations. Shit that Snowden, Manning, and Wikileaks, as well as people like Sy Hersh have demonstrated over and over again for decades now.

Yet, you are more concerned that Trump is a criminal

I didn't say that. It's not an either/or thing to me. And it really shouldn't be for anyone.

And it really shouldn't be for anyone.

But that's how it is framed in most MSM contexts. And you want to act as if the actual crimes of intelligence agencies are equivalent to the supposed crimes of the sitting President. I don't play false equivalency games, that's something good-thinking liberal types do to justify their cultivated ignorance about the murder machine that is the US government. And I have no interest in maintaining that illusion.

And you want to act as if the actual crimes of intelligence agencies are equivalent to the supposed crimes of the sitting President.

Again, I didn't say or imply that there was some sort of equivalence. They're two separate issues. Intelligence agencies can be up to nefarious shit AND the President can have his own bag of garbage. In no way are those two things dependent or reliant on each other to be true or false

Point me to the favorable position Trump has taken on Russia, please.

Did he pull out of Syria and hand it over to them? Did he rescind the sanctions his predecessor put in place (even after his SoS asked him to for his former company)? Has he pulled out of NATO? Has he moved any troops out of Eastern Europe?

It was easy to say Russia did it and Trump will be nice to them before he got elected, what now?

Excellent comment. Sometimes it's hard to see the forest for the trees, or however the fuck the saying goes. The stakes are astronomical.

Killed it with this post, take the updoot

Provide sources that Cambridge Analytica has EVER shilled on Reddit ANYWHERE.

Maybe CA isn't responsible for this, but someone is

It happens on both sides....that's my point

The thing about anonymous posts is that ANYONE CAN DO THEM. This is very far from conclusive...do you not think it's within the realm of possibility that these posts in your link are an attempt at false flag?

Assuming they are legitimate, this is an example from TWO MONTHS AGO. For your line of reasoning to be valid, this would have to happen in roughly equal amounts between both sides...which has not been my experience at all. Every single thread that is even remotely political, quickly becomes bashing The_Donald or bashing people who think that Seth Rich was murdered for leaking to WL, or turns into a circlejerk about how corrupt Donald Trump is. Every single thread.

I think it's naive to believe that only one group of people uses online bots/paid forum warriors to push an agenda. You asked for evidence and I provided it. If you want to keep your head buried in the sand, that's up to you. But the truth is, like I said in my original comment, we are being astroturfed on all sides.

Where did I say I thought it was only one group? Is it not equally naive to assume that both sides of the political spectrum are equally involved?

do you not think it's within the realm of possibility that these posts in your link are an attempt at false flag?

You seem to be implying that all of the inorganic comments/posts are coming from one side and refuse to admit that it's possible that there are pro-Trump and/or "right" leaning shills and bots

There are

...maybe Trump is a really unpopular President outside of his rally zones? Nah, it must be bots and shills.

Provide proof that shareblue has ever shilled on Reddit.

There is a lot of info on the astroturfing organizations Correct the Record, ShareBlue and Media Matters. Their official mission statements that are publicly available state their intent to use propaganda for the DNC on the web and on social media such as Reddit, Facebook and Twitter. This implies the use of social community opinion management software and other tools.

Task force will help Clinton supporters push back on online harassment and thank superdelegates

Hillary Clinton PAC Spends $1 Million "Correcting" People Online And Reddit Is Furious

Hillary PAC Spends $1 Million to ‘Correct’ Commenters on Reddit and Facebook

Podesta meets with super PACS (Priorities USA and CTR) at law firm (Perkins Coie LLP.)

Astroturf and manipulation of media messages | Sharyl Attkisson | TEDxUniversityofNevada

For further reading I would suggest these links:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing

How reddit is being manipulated

Reddit For Sale: How We Bought The Top Spot For $200

Reddit is Being Manipulated by Professional Shills Every Day

Guy makes short video where he explains that he has bought upvotes for his submission on /r/videos, submission has 20k+ upvotes before moderators deletes it to hide the incident

HOW THEY MAKE FAKE NEWS AND MANIPULATE REDDIT

How We Hacked Reddit to Generate 5 Million Media Impressions in 3 days

An Oxford research paper on astroturfing:

Troops, Trolls and Troublemakers: A Global Inventory of Organized Social Media Manipulation

From this Oxford research paper on astroturfing:

There is no doubt that individual social media users can spread hate speech, troll other users, or set up automated political communication campaigns. Unfortunately, this is also an organized phenomenon, with major governments and political parties dedicating significant resources towards the use of social media for public opinion manipulation.

... In many countries, political actors have no reported ability to field social media campaigns. In some countries, one or two known political actors occasionally use social media for political messaging, and in a few other countries there are multiple government agencies, political parties, or civil society groups organizing trolling and fake news campaigns.

Astroturfing Information Megathread- revision 8

I posted this in another thread about /r/MarchAgainstTrump but it fits /r/politics too, I'll recap

/r/MarchAgainstTrump uses bots to push posts and submissions as evidenced in these links.

More people need to be informed of these kinds of organizations.

These are a few examples:

• Evidence of MarchAgainstTrump moderator using 5 bot accounts to post almost 5000 articles to their sub in under 2 months
• 100% bombproof evidence of massive botting in /r/MarchAgainstTrump
• r/MarchAgainstTrump : out of the top 100 submissions for the month, 32 are from suspended or deleted accounts. 39 are from currently active bots.
• Manipulation, automation, and shenanigans are killing reddit. For example r/MarchAgainstTrump
• I'm heavily involved in the anti-Trump community on reddit, and I believe /r/MarchAgainstTrump needs to be stopped. Vote manipulation, botting, ban evasion, etc. Reddit needs to nuke that sub.
• More evidence of shenanigans by /r/MarchAgainstTrump
• A real-time illustration of gaming the #1 hot thread using r/MarchAgainstTrump as an example
• Even more proof that /r/MarchAgainstTrump is vote botting, courtesy of /u/CleanBaldy
• MarchAgainstTrump drops a 'T' from their name and creates new sub to evade /r/all filters. Hits front page with 26 subscribers. Reddit admins when will you openly address this problem?
• Are /r/MarchAgainstTrump and /r/esist cut from the same cloth?
• The Admins censor T_D for "spamming " the front page but /r/MarchAgainstTrump gets away with fucking retarded Shit posts and posts that are against Reddit ToS. Shit like this is killing this site.
• /r/MarchAgainstTrump is both exploiting the Portland tragedy for subscribers and claiming credit for a GoFundMe they have nothing to do with
• A 20 day old account with only 4 posts all on MAT (two have hit front page). This is its first post. They aren't even trying to hide the fact they are using bots.
• MAT is doing more suspicious shit
• /r/MarchAgainstTrump at it again with verified fake news
• r/MarchAgainstTrump has thread about reporter claiming Trump never visited hospital of shooting victim reach r/all, then locks thread after 2 hours to prevent people from commenting that the image is in fact false and the reporter made a retraction
• Guess what? Barawo33 did it yet again. Locked post with only his comment in order to gain karma in his BS sub
• r/MarchForTrump isn't even trying to hide how fake their upvotes are
• /r/MarchAgainstTrump moderators remove comments showing Acosta issued a correction in order to further their narrative
• New Anti-Trump sub "march agains trump" with 26 subscribers has a post at 764 post karma. Currently its over 2000 post karma

Now, several more botting anti-Trump subs have surfaced with nothing being done about them from the admins.

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It's in their god damn mission statement...

Their mission statement is to shill on Reddit? Proof?

There is a lot of info on the astroturfing organizations Correct the Record, ShareBlue and Media Matters. Their official mission statements that are publicly available state their intent to use propaganda for the DNC on the web and on social media such as Reddit, Facebook and Twitter. This implies the use of social community opinion management software and other tools.

Task force will help Clinton supporters push back on online harassment and thank superdelegates

Hillary Clinton PAC Spends $1 Million "Correcting" People Online And Reddit Is Furious

Hillary PAC Spends $1 Million to ‘Correct’ Commenters on Reddit and Facebook

Podesta meets with super PACS (Priorities USA and CTR) at law firm (Perkins Coie LLP.)

Astroturf and manipulation of media messages | Sharyl Attkisson | TEDxUniversityofNevada

For further reading I would suggest these links:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing

How reddit is being manipulated

Reddit For Sale: How We Bought The Top Spot For $200

Reddit is Being Manipulated by Professional Shills Every Day

Guy makes short video where he explains that he has bought upvotes for his submission on /r/videos, submission has 20k+ upvotes before moderators deletes it to hide the incident

HOW THEY MAKE FAKE NEWS AND MANIPULATE REDDIT

How We Hacked Reddit to Generate 5 Million Media Impressions in 3 days

An Oxford research paper on astroturfing:

Troops, Trolls and Troublemakers: A Global Inventory of Organized Social Media Manipulation

From this Oxford research paper on astroturfing:

There is no doubt that individual social media users can spread hate speech, troll other users, or set up automated political communication campaigns. Unfortunately, this is also an organized phenomenon, with major governments and political parties dedicating significant resources towards the use of social media for public opinion manipulation.

... In many countries, political actors have no reported ability to field social media campaigns. In some countries, one or two known political actors occasionally use social media for political messaging, and in a few other countries there are multiple government agencies, political parties, or civil society groups organizing trolling and fake news campaigns.

Astroturfing Information Megathread- revision 8

I posted this in another thread about /r/MarchAgainstTrump but it fits /r/politics too, I'll recap

/r/MarchAgainstTrump uses bots to push posts and submissions as evidenced in these links.

More people need to be informed of these kinds of organizations.

These are a few examples:

• Evidence of MarchAgainstTrump moderator using 5 bot accounts to post almost 5000 articles to their sub in under 2 months
• 100% bombproof evidence of massive botting in /r/MarchAgainstTrump
• r/MarchAgainstTrump : out of the top 100 submissions for the month, 32 are from suspended or deleted accounts. 39 are from currently active bots.
• Manipulation, automation, and shenanigans are killing reddit. For example r/MarchAgainstTrump
• I'm heavily involved in the anti-Trump community on reddit, and I believe /r/MarchAgainstTrump needs to be stopped. Vote manipulation, botting, ban evasion, etc. Reddit needs to nuke that sub.
• More evidence of shenanigans by /r/MarchAgainstTrump
• A real-time illustration of gaming the #1 hot thread using r/MarchAgainstTrump as an example
• Even more proof that /r/MarchAgainstTrump is vote botting, courtesy of /u/CleanBaldy
• MarchAgainstTrump drops a 'T' from their name and creates new sub to evade /r/all filters. Hits front page with 26 subscribers. Reddit admins when will you openly address this problem?
• Are /r/MarchAgainstTrump and /r/esist cut from the same cloth?
• The Admins censor T_D for "spamming " the front page but /r/MarchAgainstTrump gets away with fucking retarded Shit posts and posts that are against Reddit ToS. Shit like this is killing this site.
• /r/MarchAgainstTrump is both exploiting the Portland tragedy for subscribers and claiming credit for a GoFundMe they have nothing to do with
• A 20 day old account with only 4 posts all on MAT (two have hit front page). This is its first post. They aren't even trying to hide the fact they are using bots.
• MAT is doing more suspicious shit
• /r/MarchAgainstTrump at it again with verified fake news
• r/MarchAgainstTrump has thread about reporter claiming Trump never visited hospital of shooting victim reach r/all, then locks thread after 2 hours to prevent people from commenting that the image is in fact false and the reporter made a retraction
• Guess what? Barawo33 did it yet again. Locked post with only his comment in order to gain karma in his BS sub
• r/MarchForTrump isn't even trying to hide how fake their upvotes are
• /r/MarchAgainstTrump moderators remove comments showing Acosta issued a correction in order to further their narrative
• New Anti-Trump sub "march agains trump" with 26 subscribers has a post at 764 post karma. Currently its over 2000 post karma

Now, several more botting anti-Trump subs have surfaced with nothing being done about them from the admins.

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Here you go, there is a bunch more to it but you can google the rest.

Provide sources that ShareBlue has.

Here

Where is proof that ShareBlue has shilled on Reddit? This looks like some kind of mission statement that mentions social media and NOT Reddit?

There is a lot of info on the astroturfing organizations Correct the Record, ShareBlue and Media Matters. Their official mission statements that are publicly available state their intent to use propaganda for the DNC on the web and on social media such as Reddit, Facebook and Twitter. This implies the use of social community opinion management software and other tools.

Task force will help Clinton supporters push back on online harassment and thank superdelegates

Hillary Clinton PAC Spends $1 Million "Correcting" People Online And Reddit Is Furious

Hillary PAC Spends $1 Million to ‘Correct’ Commenters on Reddit and Facebook

Podesta meets with super PACS (Priorities USA and CTR) at law firm (Perkins Coie LLP.)

Astroturf and manipulation of media messages | Sharyl Attkisson | TEDxUniversityofNevada

For further reading I would suggest these links:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing

How reddit is being manipulated

Reddit For Sale: How We Bought The Top Spot For $200

Reddit is Being Manipulated by Professional Shills Every Day

Guy makes short video where he explains that he has bought upvotes for his submission on /r/videos, submission has 20k+ upvotes before moderators deletes it to hide the incident

HOW THEY MAKE FAKE NEWS AND MANIPULATE REDDIT

How We Hacked Reddit to Generate 5 Million Media Impressions in 3 days

An Oxford research paper on astroturfing:

Troops, Trolls and Troublemakers: A Global Inventory of Organized Social Media Manipulation

From this Oxford research paper on astroturfing:

There is no doubt that individual social media users can spread hate speech, troll other users, or set up automated political communication campaigns. Unfortunately, this is also an organized phenomenon, with major governments and political parties dedicating significant resources towards the use of social media for public opinion manipulation.

... In many countries, political actors have no reported ability to field social media campaigns. In some countries, one or two known political actors occasionally use social media for political messaging, and in a few other countries there are multiple government agencies, political parties, or civil society groups organizing trolling and fake news campaigns.

Astroturfing Information Megathread- revision 8

I posted this in another thread about /r/MarchAgainstTrump but it fits /r/politics too, I'll recap

/r/MarchAgainstTrump uses bots to push posts and submissions as evidenced in these links.

More people need to be informed of these kinds of organizations.

These are a few examples:

• Evidence of MarchAgainstTrump moderator using 5 bot accounts to post almost 5000 articles to their sub in under 2 months
• 100% bombproof evidence of massive botting in /r/MarchAgainstTrump
• r/MarchAgainstTrump : out of the top 100 submissions for the month, 32 are from suspended or deleted accounts. 39 are from currently active bots.
• Manipulation, automation, and shenanigans are killing reddit. For example r/MarchAgainstTrump
• I'm heavily involved in the anti-Trump community on reddit, and I believe /r/MarchAgainstTrump needs to be stopped. Vote manipulation, botting, ban evasion, etc. Reddit needs to nuke that sub.
• More evidence of shenanigans by /r/MarchAgainstTrump
• A real-time illustration of gaming the #1 hot thread using r/MarchAgainstTrump as an example
• Even more proof that /r/MarchAgainstTrump is vote botting, courtesy of /u/CleanBaldy
• MarchAgainstTrump drops a 'T' from their name and creates new sub to evade /r/all filters. Hits front page with 26 subscribers. Reddit admins when will you openly address this problem?
• Are /r/MarchAgainstTrump and /r/esist cut from the same cloth?
• The Admins censor T_D for "spamming " the front page but /r/MarchAgainstTrump gets away with fucking retarded Shit posts and posts that are against Reddit ToS. Shit like this is killing this site.
• /r/MarchAgainstTrump is both exploiting the Portland tragedy for subscribers and claiming credit for a GoFundMe they have nothing to do with
• A 20 day old account with only 4 posts all on MAT (two have hit front page). This is its first post. They aren't even trying to hide the fact they are using bots.
• MAT is doing more suspicious shit
• /r/MarchAgainstTrump at it again with verified fake news
• r/MarchAgainstTrump has thread about reporter claiming Trump never visited hospital of shooting victim reach r/all, then locks thread after 2 hours to prevent people from commenting that the image is in fact false and the reporter made a retraction
• Guess what? Barawo33 did it yet again. Locked post with only his comment in order to gain karma in his BS sub
• r/MarchForTrump isn't even trying to hide how fake their upvotes are
• /r/MarchAgainstTrump moderators remove comments showing Acosta issued a correction in order to further their narrative
• New Anti-Trump sub "march agains trump" with 26 subscribers has a post at 764 post karma. Currently its over 2000 post karma

Now, several more botting anti-Trump subs have surfaced with nothing being done about them from the admins.

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Can you tell me which of those links has evidence of ShareBlue working on Reddit?

Cambridge Analytica does data mining and targeted advertising. I'm not a fan of that trend, but it's a far cry from running networks of fake people to manipulate all major social media platforms.

Their "what we do" is almost identical to CTRs.....?

Is that a question? Okay, well the answer to your question is no, CA and CTR make/made very different claims about themselves.

Alright, I know you weren't trying to ask a question. However, the thing that sets CTR and ShareBlue apart from other organizations is their direct engagement in social media using fake accounts. Sometimes, what may appear to be 15 different people is in fact one of David Brock's virgins off in some basement somewhere following ShareBlue talking points and guidelines.

Lol I love when people aren't even aware of how they sound.

Just checked my inbox, looks like they want us to go with #6 today. See ya guys on the boards

I am so sick of this partisan bullshit. There are shills on both sides. Just because you happen to agree with one side doesn't mean they can't be a shill.

This shit is just fucking killing conversation that doesn't follow the narrative. If someone doesn't agree with what the hivemind is saying, they're called a shill and downvoted to fuck. The ENTIRE POINT of this sub is to think for yourself and question the norm.

I can't believe this is a daily fucking conversation on this sub. And this is coming from someone who was right along with you guys shitting on Hillary this time last year.

I've said it before, that the whole point of these meta posts every single day is to shut down conversations and to censor liberal points of view.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's an organized effort and done on purpose.

Just to clarify - what are your views on ShareBlue shilling accusations, etc.? Does it not happen - or happen in roughly equal amounts between ShareBlue and conservative analogues? Do you have a problem with Trump supporters posting here in general, or is it something you find an issue with only when they blindly defend the God Emperor every time his name comes up?

CTR even admitted to hiring and paying shills to operate, and I believe subs like ETS is or was a CTR run operation. David Brock owns both CTR and Shareblue and has said that he wants Shareblue to be the left version of Breitbart, so yes, I think there are CTR/Shareblue shills on social media like Reddit.

Ever since CTR came out into the open, I was pissed because I knew it was going to be used to shut down substantive conversations, and it's just such a shady POS of way to do politics.

Fuck David Brock, fuck Clinton, and fuck the DNC for allowing that type of shit.

That said, I absolutely do believe there are conservative paid shills and foreign shills like Russian trolls.

Just go to the Fox News comment section as an example, and it's super easy to observe. I used to be a regular there before I started commenting on reddit more often, and there was some users that were obviously bots that would comment practically 24/7, and would not reply to comments, and would just say same stuff over and over and over. Plus, if you make liberal comments there, they would remove your comments and censor you. I don't think they do that as often as they used to, but they did.

I don't have a huge problem with Trump supporters in general. I just think a lot of them are misguided and are fed constant propaganda through AM talk radio and far right wing news sources. Most of my family are Trump supporters and I live in the rust belt, so I do have some sympathy/empathy for Trump supporters, especially in the rust belt, where the economy hasn't worked out for them..

And no, I don't have a problem with Trump supporters in this sub. I don't think anyone should be censored, or attacked on a personal level, just for their personal beliefs.

The problem I have is when people attack or harass other users because they disagree with them, or when they just blindly defend their position with no evidence or sources to back them up.

Did I answer your questions ok?

Lol. Dude, I'm a fucking marxist, it isn't shutting down liberal points of view. It's that the liberal POV is hypocritical and shallow, and this is easily seen if you are an actual leftists (or even a right-winger).

The politics of so-called liberals is completely corporate approved and centered on denying the suffering that most Americans are experiencing because diversity, intersectionalism, id pol, etc etc etc.

Liberals are good-thinking, but not fucking capable of critical thinking, otherwise you would disown Obama and Hillary as the mass murderers they are.

Liberals are good-thinking, but not fucking capable of critical thinking, otherwise you would disown Obama and Hillary as the mass murderers they are.

You don't think there's any liberals that disown Obama and Hillary?

No. And the fact you didn't name any pretty demonstrates it.

I simply asked a question. I was never asked that question, so why would I have provided any?

I've been called a liberal. I don't personally identify with a particular political group, but I probably am pretty liberal. I definitely wouldn't have voted for Hillary and think she was a disgusting candidate. I don't support any of the bullshit Obama did either.

I do think it's unfair to say that there aren't any liberals capable of critical thinking, or that there aren't any liberals that would disown Obama and Hillary. I don't see the connection that you're making between liberals and siding with those candidates. It seems more that you'd be applying that specifically to democrats.

What are liberal points of view? Trying to shut-down conversation by calling everyone who disagrees with you a Trump praiser or T_D user or Russian shill?

Anything that's anti-Trump. Try creating an account where you criticize Trump here, and see what kind of responses you get. I just got a PM from a user saying that he thinks I'm a AI robot or a shill.

I criticize Trump frequently. But I have actual arguments

As do I, and it's something I've been praised for by different users.

I have yet to see one in these parts.

See what? Arguments or people praising me?

Both. The fact that you rely on the praise of others to justify your insipidity should tell you something about yourself.

I would love to have a substantive debate with you if you like. Take your pick of subject regarding Trump.

Subject: Deep state coup d'etat

Sure. So you believe that Trump is being attacked by the deep state? If so, what is your evidence for this statement?

Evidence: Anon sources in the media from the deep state stating that Trump is a traitor or engaged in behavior that is traitorous. And they say these things without evidence. And when they fables are undermined by facts and reality, they change the fable.

The do this to undermined the legitimacy of Trump as President. This is highly problematic because it undermines the legitimacy of the office of President, the rule of law, and most governing institutions.

You're just ignoring all the lies coming from Trump about his Russian ties. This predates the election through Manafort and Page, continued through Flynn, later there multiple lies from Kushner and Sessions about their Russian ties, eventually leading to Special Counsel Mueller and most recently another set of lies about Trump team meeting with a group of Russians.

This is al verified, often by Trump team itself, yet you sit there and say "no evidence". How is it possible to have a reasonable debate when you deny so many obvious facts?

None of those contacts illustrate collusion. If you take all of those contacts to be problematic, then you need to take Clinton's contacts with the Russians (and the Saudis and Qataris honestly) through the Clinton Foundation as problematic and probably criminal as well.

But you won't, you'll handwave away Clinton's obvious pay to play crimes. My hope is that Mueller is investigating those (he has the mandate to do so, which is why it is politically stupid for Democrats to have supported the appt of a special prosecutor).

You have a narrative that the MSM has laid out for you. You haven't applied any critical thinking about it because you want to believe that Trump could have only one with the aide and comfort of the Red Menace or however you want to characterize Russia.

Trump writing the statement for Trump Jr lying about the Russian meeting is pretty damning, but you're right that there's no direct proof that collusion actually occurred. But, you're saying that there's no evidence at all, which is a very different statement.

It also took you precisely one comment to pivot to Clinton's alleged wrongdoings, for which there is also "no evidence" by your standards. Given that Republicans publicly stated that they had a year's worth of investigations queued up for her (in addition to the numerous investigations they had already run), your use of Clinton as an example seems like a deflection.

The "MSM narrative" was being talked about as soon as Trump hired Manafort. Since the MSM talked about Clinton's alleged corruption repeatedly, you are also just repeating MSM stories prepared for your consumption. Your casual mention of the Red Menace also suggests the typical attempt to portray all people who think there's something to the Russian conspiracy as trying to push for WWIII, which is a ridiculous straw man.

Trump writing the statement for Trump Jr lying about the Russian meeting is pretty damning

Anon source, mostly like Reince Priebus, is a fucking sour grapes story.

It also took you precisely one comment to pivot to Clinton's alleged wrongdoings, for which there is also "no evidence"

I pivot to Clinton because of your side's impenetrable cognitive dissonance. You are not interested in the rule of law, you are interested in overturning the results of an election. Your sides obsession with the Trump Russian narrative has not born an actual fruit. Just endless speculation which is fuel to delegitimate him as President.

Your casual mention of the Red Menace also suggests the typical attempt to portray all people who think there's something to the Russian conspiracy as trying to push for WWIII, which is a ridiculous straw man.

Where do you think this all leads? Do you know anything about the Mackinder thesis or Brezinskis plan to tighten the noose around Russia (which is what informs the CIA in paying and arming jihadis in the middle east and the caucuses in Russia -- Chechyna and Dagestan). America is an empire, and you want to pretend it isn't. Ok, but how can I have a rational discussion with someone like you then?

The White House confirmed that Trump "weighed in" on the statement. You're either misinformed or misleading.

You pivot to Clinton because you can't defend Trump's apparent corruption, so the best you have is "Clinton did it too!" It's also worth pointing out that Republicans have been investigating the Clintons for decades, and so far the best they've come up with is a blowjob and some emails. By your standards, "no evidence".

As for whether the Russian narrative has born any fruit: Manafort, Page, and Flynn resigned, Sessions recused, special counsel appointed, Comey fired, and Trump and Trump Jr recently caught out in a lie about meeting with the Russians.

We were in a Cold War for 3 decades without WWIII. After Korea, the wars we did engage in were of our own choosing. The idea that sanctions against Russia will lead to WWIII is hyperbole pushed by the right as a form of concern trolling with regards to possible Russian collusion.

I also never denied that America was an empire. That non sequitur from you again illustrates the degree to which you're projecting when you insist that rational discussion is impossible.

Your thesis that the Russian conspiracy is completely fabricated by the Deep State is heavily contradicted by the many lies and connections by team Trump about and with Russia. Trump Jr. admitted to attending a meeting with a Russian lawyer and lobbyist in order to obtain Russian government intel on Clinton. You can't address these points, so you just ignore them until they're brought up, then you just keep repeating "no evidence" while using far more specious evidence to deflect to Clinton's wrongdoings.

We have evidence that outside DNC affiliated groups are dedicated to this, and crazily enough posts from this site are now common in /r politics.

You may not have meant it, but you pretty much just said liberal = anti-Trump.

Yeah, not exactly what I meant, but I would wager that 99% of liberals are anti-Trump, so when a liberal like myself comments here I get personally attacked.

But, obviously there are republicans and conservatives that are anti-Trump as well.

Criticizing Trump is fine and perfectly accepted. My experience with "liberal POV" in this sub is they try to shove the Russia narrative down my throat and if I can't keep it down I am a racist, bigoted, anti-intellectual Trump supporter. There are legit things to criticize Trump over but don't get mad when I don't care about things I consider insignificant. It's not that Trump gets a free pass, it's just typically the stuff the media wants you to be infuriated about is mostly silly stuff.

Criticizing Trump is fine and perfectly accepted.

Not from my experience, and easily observable from my comment history.

My experience with "liberal POV" in this sub is they try to shove the Russia narrative down my throat and if I can't keep it down I am a racist, bigoted, anti-intellectual Trump supporter.

And I would love to see a permalink example of that.

People shouldn't shill for the Seth Rich murder.

Reddit is an advertising platform. I think most of the real humans have left and it's all just bots and shills now.

I've thought about this for some time. Most of the comments seem so generic

"get back to your safe space snowflake! This is the T_D 2.0! Pizzagate is fake news! Russia!"

Is it possible to not see these words for one day here anymore?

no, reddit has been infiltrated

Oh the irony

I dont understand what do you mean?

Sometimes i feel human too. But my masters in the matrix say i have no soul.

::sad beep-bloop::

Every user on Reddit is a bot except you.

;)

And anyone who agrees with their theories of course

Where did the real people go?

Don't forget

Seth Rich being murdered is just a conspiracy

Uh yeah you doofs check the subreddit you are in

He was 100% literally murdered. I hope no one is pretending that didn't happen.

Right? I mean, isn't that on the police report? It wasn't a suicide.

I doubt people are pretending the murder didn't happen at all (there are witness protection/new life theories, but we know Seth Rich died that night). There are people claiming that some of the claims made by Rod Wheeler are BS and those claims may have been pushed by the White House.

When people say "the Seth Rich conspiracy is a hoax" I'm guessing they're talking about the idea that Rich's murder was politically motivated because of his alleged contacts with Wikileaks. The "you think he's still alive lol" comments are misinterpretations and drive the conversation away from actual discussion into snark and insults. It's what you would do if you wanted to try to make your opponent seem stupid and naive without actually engaging in debate.

Literally no one is saying he wasn't murdered. It's a straw man to ridicule OP's perceived ideological opponents.

I'm leaning towards 9. They created/sanitized a ton of accounts in June and July for exactly that, to appear to be normal users so that when they need to flood a sub it doesn't look suspicious at first glance.

But I would also add a heavy dose of 10 from u/MissType

Hold On!!

My Favorite today (so-far) is : Trump Killed Seth Rich. OMFG.

I quit this sub months ago when the CTR shills took hold. Just think about the basic premise of the Trump Russia narrative. DJT colluded with Russia (unfounded.. suspect at the very least). To what end, to use the Presidency to enrich himself and his family? Trump can't even sneeze without it being scrutinized and torn apart. He wouldn't have been much better off scamming and scheming the private sector? Give me a break.

To what end, to use the Presidency to enrich himself and his family? Trump can't even sneeze without it being scrutinized and torn apart. He wouldn't have been much better off scamming and scheming the private sector? Give me a break.

doubling the membership fee at mar a lago, constantly advertising it in every press breifing as the winter white house is an example.

I personally don't think he expected to win and wanted to launch TrumpTV after the election, and is just making lemons out of lemonade.

He could just release his taxes but he won't because he has too much to hide.

Remember when a year of his filings leaked out though and he paid way more than anyone expected?

Yes big deal his 2005 tax return. I'd like to see something more recent

Well I wouldn't suggest you hold your breath 😁

Oh, I'm not. It's very damaging for Trump to have such a lack of transparency. Whatever's in those tax returns must be huge!

My favorite is when one of these fucking shills spends their entire time on Reddit being an unimaginable douchebag hurling insult after insult (and never being banned by any of the main subreddits) in order to shame people into shutting up....but when you bring up the murder of Seth Rich, they all of a sudden have this huge swell of empathy and concern for Seth's family and shame you for bringing it up.

Also,by extension, implying the feelings of a murder victim's family should be enough of a reason to totally disregard a murder investigation.

I am always contrarian, so you realize there's trump shills too. We just don't know who controls them, analyticia?

This seems like a war between the two paid parties. Such a joke in the long run because no matter who is elected, the same policies are out in place.

"ALL HAIL DAVID BROCK FROM WHOM ALL NURTURING FOR ALL HUMANITY FLOWS HES DEFINITELY NOT A MENTALLY UNHINGED UNTALENTED FAILED JOKE OF A HUMAN BEING"

• This. Also Peter Douche will be his prophet.

Well at least there are always enough legit posters coming to the rescue of their god. Those brave rebels against all odds keep believing.

10 - Seth Rich was a traitor and deserved to be shot.

Accusing people of being shills for not believe something you do. Why is this the go to for so many damn people around here?

Cause it's easy, reinforces that they're on the right side, and avoids any kind of debate!

Avoiding debate, oh you mean like making snarky comments in agreement with someone who made another comment that had nothing to do with the original topic at hand in hopes that some retarded lurker wont realize your detraction from the the conversation and see it for what it really is?

Oh sorry, you're right. I avoided the original topic.

I guess I'll go with "1. OMFG RUSSIA"

Now we can... have a real conversation.

Thanks bro

Denying the obvious existence of shills and vote manipulation on /r/conspiracy because some people disagree with each other sometimes?

Some of us have been using Reddit for 10+ years just because we are on new accounts doesn't mean we didn't notice when you guys invaded the subreddit.

No longtime /r/conspiracy user denies the fact that this place is over run with shills on a level that is unprecedented in the past 10 years.

Nice try, but denying what is obvious to everyone makes it obvious what you are ;)

He didn't deny the existence of shills. Learn to read before backhandedly accusing him of being a shill. You're the exact problem he's describing.

Because it's easy.

Look, when you can't defend an argument, you attack the person.

That's what a shill accusation is. You cannot defend or form a coherent argument and it's got you all in your feelings about it, so you name-call.

Notice that the people who cry shill the most tend to belong to a besieged political faction that has become increasingly hard to defend.

The most hilarious thing about the shilling accusations here are that people honestly think this sub is even big or important enough to warrant an epic shilling war.

It's very obvious Reddit is full of astroturfing but the scale and complexity some people imagine it on is sort of absurd.

This seems like a pretty blatant Rule 10 violation. I'm sure the mods will get right on it.

Where's the contest mode on this thread?

I am sad that reddit died. RIP Aaron Schwartz.

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Say it with me now: "Strawmen"

I have seen a new batch of "I voted for Trump BUT..."

Who is opinion

I wonder who posts here

When did /r/conspiracy become Trump's left nut?

Ya'll throw around the word shill like the left throws around the word nazi.

YOU KNOW IT I KNOW IT WE ALL KNOW IT DNC KILLED SETH RICH

Can you imagine going out of your way to be somewhere you didn't like just to ridicule and fuck with people? That's lowlife shit there.

LMAO

This thread made my day.

sadly 4.. posting "fake news" will be illegal soon

My favorite is #7! I laughed out loud! :-)

2+2=nothingburger with cheese lol

Yeah, not exactly what I meant, but I would wager that 99% of liberals are anti-Trump, so when a liberal like myself comments here I get personally attacked.

But, obviously there are republicans and conservatives that are anti-Trump as well.

No, I saw people starting to volunteer for Jill Stein or Gary Johnson. A vast majority went third party.

How many were Trump trolls trying to sew division in the left. Oh wait only David Brock is allowed to have shills he patented it or something.

There's still thoughtful discussion, it's just much harder to find. Many of the most active users have been purged over the months, along with the best mods.

ShariaBlue doesn't just astroturf here, I saw a marked uptick in months old articles and reposted shitposts get pushed to the front page on heavy news days. Also, most important posts have "Bill Clinton is a rapist Infowars.com" or some such spammed as the top 100 comments.

The waters over there have been muddied beyond recognition, and the mods who used to keep it clean have been run out.

such a simple world, would say that must be nice but i've been to r/politics and it is a realm of scum and villainy, where there is no happiness only bitterness and hate.